Hey, AkBKukU! For the next video on tape drives, would you mind going over what sort of system you use to organise your backups on tape? (I'd assume you have some sort of system) :3
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
That's part of what I want to cover. Due to their linear nature they are inherently different from hard drives and have to be treated differently.
@jeremyf9592
6 жыл бұрын
AkBKukU thanks a bunch, looking forward to it :)
@mechadrake
6 жыл бұрын
I have seen that new LTO systems have something of tape filesystem that allows to know things on tape, and they can be used a bit like hdd's. nver read mpore than wiki tho.
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
I've seen that as well. It requires the very next version of LTO than what I have so I will not be able to demonstrate it. However, know how linear tape works(there is a reason I continue to use the word linear) I can't imagine how practical it is. If you are using it as an occasional write disk I bet it's fine. But for random access it could literally take minutes for it to get to where the file is. And I don't even want to think about how long a defrag would take...
@televisionandcheese
6 жыл бұрын
Whoa looking at the inside in action is so weird looking I love it
@Stoney3K
5 жыл бұрын
That box is just begging to have an acrylic lid fitted on it so you can see the tape reels move as you back up your data to it.
@dnb5661
5 жыл бұрын
One things old and new computers have in common: Tape Backups.
@zaprodk
6 жыл бұрын
Nice look into this device working. Motor control on these DLT/LTO-drives is amazing.
@EpsilonsReviews
Ай бұрын
Holy cow, didn’t realize I’d get a TT video so old after getting what I feel is a random search!
@garbleduser
6 жыл бұрын
Is it too nerdy to say I cant wait for the DAT tape episode?
@LightTheUnicorn
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting beasts these things, absolutely fascinating to watch with the cover off! I'd have to agree it's likely that tape at fault here.
@VSigma725
6 жыл бұрын
This reminds me, I need some DDS4 tapes to test the drive I have in an IBM ThinkCentre...
@TheGamerWithMore
4 жыл бұрын
I find the tape spooling and unspooling to be very satisfying.
@Fuzy2K
6 жыл бұрын
Data, Lettuce and Tomato :P
@MrShambles
6 жыл бұрын
Now that you've seen this is just a SATA tape drive in an enclosure, have you thought about installing it in your computer case?
@yogsoy
6 жыл бұрын
Please
@BrassicGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Not enough tape drive videos of this kind. I am yet to successfully repair one after 4 attempts. Their margin for error is lower than any other storage medium I've ever come across, but that's why its longevity is so good. And I love the shell scripting, too. GUI; begone!
@Desmaad
4 жыл бұрын
I prefer the loading mechanism of this format over the articulated claw used in LTO. Just a hook on a built-in leader that hooks onto a flexible metal tab on the cartridge's tape; much simpler.
@an2qzavok
6 жыл бұрын
If it's just SATA, will it slot into standard PC case, where DVD drive usually goes?
@nilswegner2881
6 жыл бұрын
failing@commenting yup that's why most PC cases have not only one but sometimes as many as 4 5 1/4 inch slots. You can actually buy these tape drives for internal use way cheaper than these external drives
@mechadrake
6 жыл бұрын
I almost got myself a tape drive once (lont term storage/backup) but did not find any at sane prices at decent capacity (I am not in the us, so things are more expensive for some reason). WAs hoping to see howto in this vid though, why you torture us by forcing to wait!
@EpicTyphlosionTV
5 жыл бұрын
So, um... Where's that tape drive video?
@greenvm
6 жыл бұрын
Wow it looks so cool in the inside. Wonder if you could take out the actual tape drive from the adapter enclosure and install it in a pc
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
You very easily could, it's just a SATA drive(note that is is not a SAS drive, it is true SATA). So it would work fine connected directly to any SATA controller like on your motherboard. I already have an LTO4 drive in my main computer though that can hold about 5x as much data as the tapes for this drive can.
@bit2shift
Жыл бұрын
Did you try to fix the tape by degaussing it? DLT (unlike LTO) can be degaussed and then reformatted by the drive itself.
@CattoRayTube
6 жыл бұрын
We are all Devo.
@Imnotimportant555
5 жыл бұрын
What linux do you run as your os? I have always been interested in your linux setup for a little while now.
@joekoop
4 жыл бұрын
The hostname included Kubuntu, and I've seen him use Kubuntu. It's prob'ly Kubuntu.
@FloorEncer
3 жыл бұрын
Since I use Linux I get questions about it. Here's a FAQ: Q: What Distro do you use? A: kubuntu, whatever the newest LTS is. Q: What DE do you use? A: KDE Plasma 5 Q: Why don't you use Arch, Gentoo, slackware, etc A: Ubuntu "Just Works" for me.
@ARCOPWNS
6 жыл бұрын
Did you do something different with your audio? Sounds really good in this video!
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
I turned up my mic preamps by about 50% and did audio post processing with audacity. It did come out a lot better. 0x0029 is also recorded like that but I think it may have clipped a couple times in recording so I've turned the preamps down again by about 20%.
@rsuryase
4 жыл бұрын
Surprised it doesn't use rotating VCR heads.
@dlarge6502
3 жыл бұрын
DAT drives do
@thorsteinj
Жыл бұрын
Helical scan, as in VCR/VHS heads, is more complicated, the head is larger with a more complex construction compared to a single head assembly. To be precise the head(s) themselves are not large it just takes up space when they are placed on a rotating drum. The advantage of using helical scan vs. linear scan is lost when the drives can have up to 32 tape heads to achieve high throughput.
@carloshenriqueconceicao2174
3 жыл бұрын
thank you my friend!!
@SkyCharger001
6 жыл бұрын
Have you checked the tape for crinkles? (they caused my school's P.A. tape-player to jam-up in the 90s)
@eformance
5 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is why they didn't put self-cleaning leaders in the cartridges to begin with? 1 pass through and it would clean the heads.
@thecow2756
6 жыл бұрын
hmm maybe it actually can be converted to a usb DVD drive with a 5 1/4" drive as you dont have the tapes and use it with computers that don't have internal drives
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
I can get tapes, it's way cooler as a tape drive than it would be as a DVD drive. Also it's inanely loud, there's no way I would put up with that just to have an optical drive.
@bamdadkhan
5 жыл бұрын
this might be an unusual request, but could you please upload the realtime version of the 'tape rewind' clip?
@RedNoise-hz5nh
4 жыл бұрын
well rip
@plushifoxed
6 жыл бұрын
restoring up devo what's up devo not much what's up with you
@jaroslavjosai2327
4 жыл бұрын
I really want to see the video of a DAT drive, can't find it though.
@davidharrison4881
3 жыл бұрын
WE ARE DEVO, D-E-V-O
@eformance
5 жыл бұрын
I guess that DLT tape has trouble Going The Distance.
@BilalHeuser1
5 жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I had a tape drive ran off the floppy disk port and using it was really painful ...
@AshenTiger
6 жыл бұрын
I currently use portable HDDs for archiving client files (multiple 1TBs for offsite). Should I stick with that, or move to tape?
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
That's something only you can decide, tape isn't easy. The next video I do on tape will cover it's pros and cons and how to use it. It's dirt cheap, down to $0.01/GB, so it wins there. But you have to buy and maintain a drive. And that drive needs to work 5/10/50 years later when you want to get the data back off the tape.
@AshenTiger
6 жыл бұрын
AkBKukU True, and in backing up a 500GB .zip file, a USB3.0 HDD may well be faster.
@carloshenriqueconceicao2174
3 жыл бұрын
Valeu amigo estava precisando mesmo dessas dicas muito obrigado!!!
@amberselectronics
5 жыл бұрын
Do tape drives have a way of marking bad sections like disk drives do? I don't know much about tape formats.
@Scarabaeus15
9 ай бұрын
Not exactly the same, but they have the read head behind the write head so that they verify everything it write. Then rewrites everything that failed the verification in the next part of tape until it succeeds. This is dynamic on every write and does not have a permanent list of defective areas.
@aisback1990
6 жыл бұрын
I might get one to back up my music files. Anyway you can recommend any models
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be doing a video in the future where I cover some of the pros and cons of tape drives. It's not for everyone, so I want to make sure anyone who's interested knows what they are getting into before giving advice.
@jjohnson71958
5 жыл бұрын
Quantum brand.. awesome
@RunTheTape
Жыл бұрын
just for academic purposes, can you share your bash scripts totape and fromtape ?
@schweizerd6303
5 жыл бұрын
with LTO5 and higher you can format using LTFS and it works similarly to a USB drive except space is not recovered when you delete a file
@Intelwinsbigly
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine having the money for an lto drive
@DelphiTheDolphin
6 жыл бұрын
Which drive is it any way? Haven't seen USB (not even USB3) in recent drives..... atleast not used ones.
@DelphiTheDolphin
6 жыл бұрын
Oh never mind.... DLT-V4.... not LTO4 or newer :)
@davids9139
5 ай бұрын
Are you sure it's really SATA and not SAS?
@theannoyedmrfloyd3998
6 жыл бұрын
SATA - "sattuh"
@alexherrerag6997
3 жыл бұрын
Are there any stepper motor ?
@daghanabi
2 жыл бұрын
Im 15 and I TERRIBLY want one, I asked my mother to buy a walkman and I will build a Pi supercomputer, AND back the sh*t up with tape! YES HANGING AROUND 65 Y/O AS A 8 Y/O DID BRAIN DAMAGE.
@Lilja2022
5 жыл бұрын
This Tape Drive sounds like a plain when its rewinding
@letsbebadguys_8630
6 жыл бұрын
It’s probably SAS not SATA. I have a very similar Quantum tape drive and it’s SAS rather than SATA. It’s a pain in the ass cuz pretty much all non enterprise grade equipment doesn’t have SAS.
@kd1s
5 жыл бұрын
I have dealt with all sorts of tape in my career from 9-track 1600bpi tapes to 8mm, 4mm, DLT and more. I hate tape because of it's sequential nature. Disk or usb sticks are large enough capacity and inexpensive enough too. Random access is so much better. And with USB Sticks you can dd if={source} of={dest} bs={your choice}. Tape drives are obsolete.
@dlarge6502
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody uses usb flash (a school childs science project) or hdd's for long term storage. Its tape v optical.
@dlarge6502
3 жыл бұрын
As an update, my 64 GB usb flash drive just died overnight. Little used, wanted to use it to transfer some data, dead. Totally dead. Nothing but usb errors in the logs. Don't use usb flash for backup, use it for data transfer only. Also another reason to use tape over other methods, they have a write protect switch ;) To this day I have never seen that basic feature that even floppy discs had on usb flash. It's on sd cards, but many SD card readers ignore it! I think we have a problem there. We have lost the art of the read only media (excluding optical as that's an obvious choice).
@rigglestad8479
6 жыл бұрын
Help a brother archive some 720kilobyte Amiga floppies.
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
I guess I forgot to mention that it's a 160GB tape in the video. So you could fit ~222,222 floppies on one tape. Modern tape drives feature hardware compression as well so it could be up to ~400,000 floppies depending on the data redundancy.
@rigglestad8479
6 жыл бұрын
The issue isn't a lack of archival storage on my part, but a lack of a way to read the disks. Amiga floppies are formatted weird, you can't just get an old 720k floppy drive (or other floppy drive), use controller trickery, and get the data. That is to say--I haven't found a way to read them, but, I'm still looking for ways to do it... It is nearing the point where I might need to write drivers, which would be fun. Probably.
@TechTangents
6 жыл бұрын
I don't have an Amiga so I don't have any specific advice to give you unfortunately. Generally for special format floppies though, using emulators with real drive support that run on DOS based OSes(Win95,Win98) you can usually make special floppies. DOS allows direct hardware commands to a floppy drive that let it emulate different systems. The NT kernel hid drive access behind the HAL so programs can't do that any more.
@rigglestad8479
6 жыл бұрын
AkBKukU I don't have an amiga, either. Twas fried in a flood before my days. There's something called a SuperCard Pro which is supposed to be able to copy 99% of all floppies, irrespective of their format. I just really wish a software solution existed or could exist, because shelling out $100 bucks to archive floppies seems, a bit much to me.
@frankshrank1661
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the drive dislikes your music.
@TheErixcode
4 жыл бұрын
please add your commands too!! xD
@THERE_IS_NO_DATA
6 жыл бұрын
That thing is kinda loude
@iceowl
4 жыл бұрын
but.. tar. tar was made for this. why do you hate tar? :3
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