Happy SBS. 1 Corinthians has so much! Hope you all enjoy.
@seyioyetade
3 ай бұрын
There is absolutely nothing in the 4 gospels that suggested that anyone saw jesus as the creator of the earth, infact in Mathew 24:1 peter was trying to make jesus feel impress ABT the structure and beautiful of the temple, that is not something you do to some who u think created the fre*king earth, 😅😅😅 rily? He created the earth but U expected him to be impressed by a building 😂😆😂😆
@seyioyetade
3 ай бұрын
I hope U got my message, it keep disappearing
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
@@seyioyetade I like this point!
@thing1thing2themediamaniac43
3 ай бұрын
What's SBS
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Secular bible study
@BluStarGalaxy
3 ай бұрын
After only two books Paul is in contention to be my least favorite human in the Bible. He may have not committed genocide or tried to sacrifice his offspring but his ideology has done great damage on populations influenced by Christianity. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Indeed!!
@Cat_Woods
3 ай бұрын
Like all leaders of destructive cults, yet his went on to conquer Rome and therefore the western world, multiplying the harm done.
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
Paul was the ancient near East Joseph Smith.
@chrissonofpear1384
3 ай бұрын
Eh, he is insidious... but not all his ideas were completely bad. Still, quite a lot of mess resulted.
@rainbowkrampus
3 ай бұрын
I mean, where does the buck stop though? Paul was influenced by Israelite messianism. Israelite messianism was influenced by Greco Roman messianism. Or you can go the other way, the gospel authors altered Paul's ideas to build a story of Jesus. The church fathers canonized the books we call the new testament and ensured that competing texts, competing christianities, were wiped out. I like to think of Paul as a used religion salesman. He's kinda sleazy in my estimation. But he's less malicious and more self centered. The harm caused by the things he did largely manifested as the result of later people trying to rationalize the inanity.
@rainyfeathers9148
3 ай бұрын
'Are you christian or Paulian?' needs to take its place as a legitimate question...
@johntiggleman4686
3 ай бұрын
@rainyfeathers9148 Oh boy, have I gotten some flak when I say things like Paul was a heretic, or Paul never met Jesus, but had a nervous breakdown/break from reality, or suffered heat stroke. That he was a braggart, boastful. He claims (don't recall which epistle) that he was not an apostle, but the FIRST Apostle, chosen while still in his mother's womb. He got angry when "the church" at Jerusalem corrected his errant teaching, calling them "dogs and evildoers." Not someone I would want to emulate, although he tells us to be emulators of him, but then qualifies that by saying "as I am of Christ."
@rainyfeathers9148
3 ай бұрын
@@johntiggleman4686 It's what happens, they don't read the book. It's about keeping up appearances, what's actually going on in the bible is not important to them. Out here naming their kids after these trashy bible folk then want to act confused when the kid becomes wayward.
@rainbowkrampus
3 ай бұрын
All christians are ideologically descended from Paul's theology. Mark's author used Paul's letters among other things to construct his story about Jesus. There is no christianity today without Paul. Christianity and Paulianity are the same thing. There is no "or".
@cocococop6082
3 ай бұрын
Love is jealous. Jealous for the other party and your own good. That is why love is jealous. Anything else and it is neglect.
@pineapplepenumbra
3 ай бұрын
christianity, if it ever existed, died out about 2000 years ago, to be superseded by fan fiction and the words of blatant plagiarists, liars and at least one nutter (Paul), none of who had ever met Jesus , some of whom didn't know the area, or Jewish ways at the time, and who didn't write anything until decades after his alleged life and death. There are only Paulians and Liarians, as I have been pointing out for some years. It's good to see so many others see this truth.
@elizabethhosaka1069
3 ай бұрын
The deviations of Paul’s teachings from Jesus was the beginning of my deconstruction. It’s so important to cover
@danielbond9755
3 ай бұрын
Of course, Paul’s letters were written first, so maybe the gospels were the ones that deviated.
@diudalidion1744
3 ай бұрын
@@danielbond9755 😮 OMG this comment blew my mind... Yeah, the Gospels could be the ones deviated... Thanks
@gavinyoung-philosophy
3 ай бұрын
It’s really crazy! Realizing that Paul is literally just a dude that has been canonized and thus seeming to be near-divine in his authority!
@rainbowkrampus
3 ай бұрын
@@diudalidion1744 It's much more than "could". Mark's author almost certainly used Paul's letters as material for constructing their story of Jesus. Not only do we find presages to things like the eucharist in Paul first, there are also many literary and linguistic overlaps between passages in Mark and Paul's writing style.
@Nexus-jg7ev
3 ай бұрын
@@gavinyoung-philosophy He was claiming to have received revelation directly from Jesus, just like Muhammad claimed to have received revelation from God.
@Jon45678
3 ай бұрын
Two months ago, a Mindshift video popped up on my feed. I have been a Christian for decades with a very similar background to Brandon. I clicked on the video because the thumbnail was cool and immediately heard some questions I had struggled with my whole life being dismantled. I was riveted. I guess I reached a place where I was ready to hear it because in the past I would have shunned Brandon out of righteous indignation. Since then I have watched almost all of his videos, some multiple times. I can’t believe how much my thinking has changed over the past couple months. The other day I found myself making my neighbor pastor friend question some of the things he was telling me. I believe I am on a long journey out of Christianity as I’m realizing what a mental grip it puts on someone. I also just read “Wayward” by Alice Greczyn, which was a powerful punch in the gut. Highly recommended. Thanks Brandon. I apologize if I posted anything negative toward you in the past. I’ve checked out a lot of other channels and in my opinion you have the best one out there. Your hard work shows.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Wow man, what a journey. I am happy for you to be on it but i also know what a tough road it is. Reach out if you get stuck
@stevenbatke2475
3 ай бұрын
It’s crazy how long the journey can be, to just be ready to receive new information and actually consider it. In hind sight, it probably took me 5-6 years, and then, all of a sudden, I was so ready and willing to really learn, and completely let go. It’s being born again, again ;)
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
Good luck, but of course, remember that truth is the most important thing. Weigh the evidence, ask your questions, decide what makes the most sense to you, and don't worry where it takes you. Don't feel any more compelled to leave a faith as to stay in it, do what you conclude you should do based on what you determine as you go.
@JDrocks4ever
3 ай бұрын
You sound somewhat similar to me. I was strong in Christianity and Brandon was the needle in the haystack that broke me towards deconversion, like a catalyst in the midst of the doubts I was starting to have. I fought it at first; even responding with Christian comments in some of his videos. At the time (Nov-Dec 2023), I’d watched just about all his videos and found myself agreeing with him far more than a Christian is supposed to. Next thing you know, I’m listening to other ex-christian (harmonic atheist, Matt dillahunty, holy koolaid, etc.) content and found myself agreeing and empathizing with them immensely. Deconverting was the worst thing that happened to me in my life. It was a very difficult the first 5 months for me, but I’m starting to recover and I’m honestly so grateful I went this path. It has always been my goal to be devoted to truth no matter where it lies, so despite the troubles leaving this cult has/will cause me, it is definitely worth it! Now I have the freedom to explore and be open minded in ways I never would have in this religion
@stevenbatke2475
3 ай бұрын
@@JDrocks4ever agreed. Deconversion is really rough, because it’s like rewiring your brain. It’s a shock to the system, with some highs, but many lows too. Glad you made it to the other side. Crazy thing I found, as I’m sure many others did too, is how much more the bible makes sense, once you take the doctrine and belief out of it. It was truly eye opening to the amount of cognitive dissonance one builds up.
@d.brianburnsii1011
3 ай бұрын
I really appreciate spending more time with problematic passages in the new testiment specifically. The old is so obviously problematic, and Christian love to ignore it as a result. But having instances of problems in the new is crucial, because Christians can't ignore these verses.
@hamobu
3 ай бұрын
There is a huge difference between "not all shall sleep" and "all shall sleep" The first one implies that the kingdom would come while some living at that time are still alive.
@uncleanunicorn4571
3 ай бұрын
I can see how Christians would want to retcon that one
@japexican007
3 ай бұрын
thank God the kingdom did come, which is how the explosion of christianity came about
@hamobu
3 ай бұрын
@@japexican007 really? Did the sun go dark, the moon stopped giving its light, and the stars fall from the sky? Was there a trumpet and the son of man returning in clouds? Did the dead rise up? I must have missed it.
@cocococop6082
3 ай бұрын
Love is jealous. Jealous for the other party and your own good. That is why love is jealous. Anything else and it is neglect.
@caffetiel
3 ай бұрын
@@cocococop6082 People don't belong to you. Propertarian insanity.
@jon4574
3 ай бұрын
Jesus vs Paul: The War Between Two Failed Doomsday Prophets
@uncleanunicorn4571
3 ай бұрын
I suspect many teachings of jesus were actually adapted from paul more than the other way around.
@richardshirley3696
3 ай бұрын
@@uncleanunicorn4571 Now that's a line of thinking which sounds interesting, would you mind expanding on your thought process?
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
3 ай бұрын
@@richardshirley3696 Look up Dr. Richard Carrier's article that the Gospel of Mark used Paul's letters as a source.
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
@@richardshirley3696I feel the same way. So I can comment on this. Paul was writing before the gospels were written. This is not controversial. Mark was written in the '70s or '80s. After Paul's writings (even some we don't have today) had been circulating. Paul really solidified the Christian doctrine. So the gospels are an attempt by Greek speaking Christians to unify the teachings of a Jewish apocalyptic prophet with some guy who claimed? Jesus appeared to him and told him all this stuff. You can see this going on further in Matthew and in Luke/acts. Paul was also apocalyptic but he believed if you believed Jesus was the first fruits. That the resurrection of the dead had already started. If you look at the gospels as trying to harmonize Paul's teaching with apocalyptic Jewish traditions, it makes a lot more sense.
@Noise-Conductor
3 ай бұрын
That nether saw coming. How strange.
@dasbus9834
3 ай бұрын
Can't help but think Paul's somewhat disjointed ramblings about marriage show a guy with personal issues who has found fulfillment in his mission. And it's incredible to think how much authority this still has over many people's lives 2000 years later. Way beyond the best-before date.
@FoursWithin
3 ай бұрын
"Way beyond the best before date " This one needed a total recall, considering it was rotten on arrival.
@Mac-vy2-rv
3 ай бұрын
@@FoursWithin lol 😂😂
@JDrocks4ever
3 ай бұрын
The impact 1 Corinthians 7 had on my life is so sad. I don’t have to be a sexually repressed monk that’s dedicated to singleness anymore😂
@jasoncates2944
3 ай бұрын
God is love - Love is not jealous - God is a jealous god.. Somethings not adding up.. lol
@matthewgerwing6520
3 ай бұрын
This is incredible. It was in the Bible the whole time.
@Chuck-se5hh
3 ай бұрын
Well said.
@jjrodriguez6513
3 ай бұрын
This whole contradiction started my deconversion. I used to ask Christians “what is your most objective definition of love” after we established the presuppositions that God is Love and that Gods existence is objective . When we failed to find a definition of love that wasn’t subjective or circular, it made me start to separate the two. Especially if a broad definition of God is the amalgamation of all that is good. It got pretty circular very fast. This may only make sense to me, but it was what I needed at the time to start questioning the information I was given.
@michaelhenry1763
3 ай бұрын
Alternate WLC: 1. Love is not jealous 2. God I’d jealous 3. Therefore, God is not love. 🪄
@Jon45678
3 ай бұрын
There are examples in the Bible where God does the opposite of each one of the love statements in I Cor 13, like, “does not keep a record of wrongs” then records every thought and deed for judgement day.
@nathanaellamb8647
3 ай бұрын
I always found it interesting hearing a sermon on Corinthians growing up by nondenominational pastors who claimed to be biblical literalists but conveniently didn’t mention the passages about head coverings or modesty standards. Like I’m not saying women should wear dresses down to their feet but if you’re going to follow a book at least be intellectually honest.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@japexican007
3 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t being intellectually honest mean accepting that you cannot follow the book perfectly since we’re all sinners who fall short of Gods perfect standard and the reason why Christ came down?
@noracola5285
3 ай бұрын
@@japexican007 No, being intellectually honest would mean accepting that you cannot follow the book perfectly because it's full of mutually exclusive contradictions, that the concept of "sinners" is incoherent nonsense, that the idea that one must "fall short of God's perfect [sic] standard" is a feature of the "standard" itself, that "God" is incoherent nonsense, that there's nothing perfect or even good about said "standard", that nothing about it necessitates "Christ" to do anything, that "Christ" never actually "came down", that "Christ" is incoherent nonsense and contradicts the supposed messianic prophecies of the so-called Old Testament, that those prophecies are garbage anyway, and that even if "Christ came down" it would do nothing to change any of that. Can you provide any testable evidence to the contrary?
@Badficwriter
3 ай бұрын
@@japexican007 The intellectual dishonesty would be on God/Jesus. If they were one, then there was no need to condemn or forgive. Deciding before creation began to split yourself into multiple people, then having yourself tortured so you never changed your mind on condemning the entities you deliberately made flawed so they'd be tortured and die too with all your future knowledge is pretty convoluted rationalizing.
@cocococop6082
3 ай бұрын
Love is jealous. Jealous for the other party and your own good. That is why love is jealous. Anything else and it is neglect.
@01Aigul
3 ай бұрын
Always love me a new Mindshift. I constantly recommend this series to people who want a secular perspective on the Bible.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Appreciate that!
@coltonanderson745
2 сағат бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon also maybe do a video on the curses this false god endures on innocent men and children not only up to 4 generations but 7.... and I honestly think I'm living so far breathing proof and battling it out realtime. Because even this torturing lying corrupt god or mother of all whatever knows he or it is in the wrong. Ten fold. Lol with this yahno fella or whomever to proper blame.
@tomdavies9125
3 ай бұрын
I’m Christian and I find these absolutely fascinating. I love how you keep it respectful and straight facts without bias. Love ur content man
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
"straight facts without bias" 🤣🤣🤣
@noracola5285
3 ай бұрын
Derision from someone with the name@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 is just cute.
@Rhewin
3 ай бұрын
Good on you for being able to hear harsh criticism of important beliefs.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Appreciate that!
@stevenbatke2475
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7do you think you read the bible, with your specific worldview, your specific doctrine, your specific denomination, your specific interpretation, with less bias than someone who has no skin in the game? Surely, you jest!
@sillymamacita3854
3 ай бұрын
I got married at 19 so I wouldn't burn with desire. 😑 Oh brother! A 19 year old should be burning with desire! 😂😂 🤦🏼♀️💃🏼🔥😅
@theflaggedyoutuberii4311
3 ай бұрын
What your husband wasn't doing it for you?
@cocococop6082
3 ай бұрын
Love is jealous. Jealous for the other party and your own good. That is why love is jealous. Anything else and it is neglect.
@Johnmhatheist
3 ай бұрын
I got married at 21 for the same reason.
@PaleLady
3 ай бұрын
You're not only providing so much clarity by dissecting these books but also setting a brave example for others to follow. The ethical and righteous path is using critical thinking and not turning a blind eye to the confusing and contradicting teachings. I remember every time I'd listen to the preaching and they were always saying "God is not in confusion, if this doesn't make sense to you or you question it, you're filled with Satan" I was born into a very fundamentalist believing family. Along with being homeschooled with more Christian propaganda and socialized with only those who were also indoctrinated, I never felt safe to even think. It’s surreal that I'm here. An agnostic atheist, still grappling with the harm caused by the ideology in ways my brain won't even let me explore. Hearing others push past some of the mind-barriers that were imposed on people like myself is life changing and is a tangible good. Thank you.
@Drums_strength_mobility
3 ай бұрын
Wow I'm sorry for your childhood. Good on you for getting out ❤
@blueStarKitt7924
3 ай бұрын
I wish you to find peace and love and heal.😔🙏❤️
@BeccaYoley
3 ай бұрын
"Why are there forgeries in the Bible?" 😂😂😂 I suppose the Holy Spirit wanted to mess with people.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
I can't tell you how many times I have brought up the issues in 1 Timothy to a Christian who just excuses them that it was a forgery.... like that doesn't just create a new and worse problem, lol.
@BeccaYoley
3 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon Hilarious!
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
If the Holy Spirit can inspire frauds, then I can write 3 Peter or 17 Corinthians: This Time it's Personal tomorrow. Sure, I'm not Peter or Paul, and sure, I'd be writing it almost 2000 years after both of them were dead, but I'm inspired by the Holy Spirit, so it's cool! Right?
@chromographia106
3 ай бұрын
It means the 'church fathers' got the absolute basics wrong or the holy spirit lied
@cocococop6082
3 ай бұрын
Love is jealous. Jealous for the other party and your own good. That is why love is jealous. Anything else and it is neglect.
@TonyLambregts
3 ай бұрын
For the algorithm. Thank you.
@jjrodriguez6513
3 ай бұрын
Boost
@Rhewin
3 ай бұрын
On the one hand, Paul says faith is all you need. On the other, he’s freakishly obsessed with what other people do. I cannot imagine having to deal with him in person.
@johntiggleman4686
3 ай бұрын
@Rhewin "All you need is love." John Lennon.
@japexican007
3 ай бұрын
Salvation vs sanctification sigh there is a difference
@Rhewin
3 ай бұрын
@@japexican007 that’s how you understand it.
@raybankin8342
3 ай бұрын
Dealing with him in person must have felt like dealing with a general when you are the soldier.
@tim57243
Ай бұрын
@@raybankin8342Are generals any better at self-consistency than Paul? I have never been in the military, so I don't know.
@Speechie-Lizard
3 ай бұрын
I was born and raised Catholic and went to a Catholic school. In school, I was taught that if you did not make an Act of Contrition prior to receiving the Eucharist you were not in a full state of grace because you were receiving Jesus in a state of sin. I was 8 years old.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Its insanity!
@vaiyt
13 күн бұрын
Why is god bound to a magic ritual?
@coltonanderson745
2 сағат бұрын
@vaiyt corruption and forgery of demi urge. To me both reptilian and "h0Ly" arkdian are both demi urged....
@matthewshue6521
3 ай бұрын
I definitely like the methodical explanations of your observed contradictions and problematic passages. I don't usually have the time to screenshot the list and look them up later. As a person who more so listens while working, it's helpful to be able to hear these things explained.
@survive323
3 ай бұрын
Paul had everyone sell there possessions because he believed Jesus would return soon. Never happened!
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
Jehovah's witnesses did this in 1974.
@Cotillion308
3 ай бұрын
The religion was born out of the great disappointment of the millerite religion. Lots of bible math and failed end times dates. Jdubs are little more than a doomsday cult @@JasonHenderson
@coltonanderson745
2 сағат бұрын
Wonder where all that money went 🤔 😂😂🤬💀
@survive323
Сағат бұрын
@@coltonanderson745 last going away party.
@PinkPony_
3 ай бұрын
An almost hour long sbs??? 😊 Just made my whole day, Thank you Brandon for your amazing work!!!
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Glad to help! thanks for watching
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
He said they will all be under an hour. I think a lot of these NT books are going to push it
@coltonanderson745
2 сағат бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandonman you confirm so much. SO MUCH. My family made me feel crazy about all this. I feel alot like Paul most times but I am on my beggening stage of ex christian and don't think I'll be coming back ever to it after putting it all together. From every perspective possible. There's no point in rewarding so much messed up let alone worshipping sick sinical cycles. And for the cursing I actually think it's real. Because no female no pissed off ex could ever do what has been done to me.
@Critical_Explorer-vw5hy
3 ай бұрын
I love it when you put your finger on one of my points of cognitive dissonance that i had when i was a believer (at 49:00). I struggled with the idea that I would be harming myself if my head/heart wasn't right when I took communion. I never understood why. I never looked into it, either. I just brushed my concerns aside and kept believing it. I'd beg god every communion Sunday to create in me a new heart so I wouldn't condemn myself with the grape juice and cracker. OMG...faith is delusional.
@n.c.1201
3 ай бұрын
As I grew up Catholic this was so common to me... I never had thoughts about it except, as a kid and teen, if I had bad breathe and which person I didn't want to recieve it from and I totally don't want to look like the weirdo who doesn't use their hands..... Anyways. Fast forward to when I was 31 and in a Baptist church and I found out that they randomly do the last supper!? they hate the Catholics!.... I was annoyed at this church for many reasons but I rebeled against the spiel to be forgiven in everything before partaking. I would laugh inside because I never got a phone call the night before from anyone asking me for forgiveness and if we were on the up and up! I always walked out of the service and sat in a chair in the hallway during those days. They made me realize how BS everyone was.
@Djax111
3 ай бұрын
Paul, ever the marketer for the messiah. Dude had to be making bank back in those days to afford so many expeditions.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
maybe thats why he added the verse in this book about how those preaching should make a living doing so, was low on funds from his tent making business...
@Djax111
3 ай бұрын
@MindShift-Brandon hahaha thats exactly what I thought when you said that! "God said give me money bro, just trust me."
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
3 ай бұрын
And at the end of his journey to Rome, rent a private house for 2 years, undoubtedly in a nice neighborhood.
@Djax111
3 ай бұрын
@@user-uo7fw5bo1o what a retirement haha
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
He said he was sending the money back to the church in Jerusalem. Do we have any receipts for this?
@DannyS177
3 ай бұрын
Paul is "the second coming of Jesus" that every Christian is looking for.
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
What is this claim based on?
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
The book of private interpretations?
@DannyS177
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 It's a joke based off the fact that some Christians base their beliefs on the word of Paul more the the word of Jesus. But again, it was just a joke.
@pinky9440
3 ай бұрын
@DannyS177 Sarcasm and humor are not appreciated by everyone. I, however love both.
@toonyandfriends1915
2 ай бұрын
@@pinky9440 it depends since some people make jokes to mock, the same way a theist can use sarcasm and humor to mock atheists based on false claims, the same way the other side can happen
@martin2289
3 ай бұрын
It occurred to me a while back that the figure of Paul (aka Saul) must have been something like the Ray Kroc character played by Michael Keaton in the 2016 Netflix documentary "The Founder," which tells the story of how an ambitious but struggling huckster from another state, encountered Mac and Dick McDonald and had an "epiphany," so to speak, that their efficient methods of producing food cheaply and quickly had widespread franchise potential. As such, he "soon maneuvers himself into a position to be able to pull the company from the brothers and create a multi-billion dollar empire." Think of the hapless McDonald brothers as analogs for Peter and James, the "fast food" as the Eucharist, and the burger empire as Christendom. Maybe stretching things a little...
@tyrondecemberthomas
3 ай бұрын
Great job, Brandon. The time you took on contradictions and problematic passages was well needed. How Paul fluctuates and seems to speak against books before him. Wow.
@EmmaHopman
3 ай бұрын
Chapter 5 verse 11: But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. Damn this one doesn't seem to line up with what i was taught about Jesus
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Dang i meant to cover this one! Good addition. Yes its insane.
@Badficwriter
3 ай бұрын
Oh man, slanderers don't even KNOW!
@Critical_Explorer-vw5hy
3 ай бұрын
Sadly, I stopped talking to a good friend for a long time because of this verse after I learned she was sleeping with her boyfriend. SMH. The word of god divides.
@blueStarKitt7924
3 ай бұрын
Exactly!!🙄😮💨
@ShatteredWindowpane
3 ай бұрын
It made me laugh when point 7 begins at the halfway point of the video. With how much was covered in the first 25 minutes, we're still just getting started haha. Good work Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Lol thanks!
@saltLTaylor
3 ай бұрын
In my deconstruction from believing the bible inspired Paul's writings were some of the first red flags for me.....he comes across very much like follow me, look at me , it's all about me.....and when I started sharing my issues amongst my fellow believers the absolute hatred from some of them as if I'd trashed their god let me know I was reading paul right. Often in Christianity he's almost more thought of than jesus
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
Notice how in this epistle he doesn't even disagree with anything Apollos taught the Corinthians; if Apollos had offered some wrong doctrine, Paul would correct the church, as he does in other letters. No, he's mad that people are listening to Apollos on this stuff and NOT HIM. That's what he cares about.
@NYKim_NY
3 ай бұрын
Jews refer to the new testament as Paulianity. They have always said Paul's teachings are opposite of what's taught in the OT. Christians will say it's because we're not under the law, but grace. I have a friend who years ago left Christianity because he said that Paul's teachings were false, I was so shocked when he wrote this long dissertation on Facebook saying he and his wife had left and become Noahide Jews. And here I am 6-7 years later out of all of it. It's amazing to see how goofy it all sounds when you're willing to not dismiss it because of God's sovereignty and because his ways are higher. Once you can unhook yourself from that mindset and freely think, it is pretty obvious. I also noticed how many of Paul's teachings were contradictory, I think it was a turning point for me although so many things were being revealed as I really looked at it and started to question what I believed and how much of that was indoctrination and how much was me excusing it, whenever it didn't make sense. Great video as always! Thank you!
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons." 1 Timothy 4:1
@NYKim_NY
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 or people will wake up to 2000 years of brainwashing. Why would there be demons? What is the purpose of decieving your children? Sounds man made and designed to control people with fear. Does it really make sense to you? I'm being sincere in that question. Does all the blood and water magic, the threats of hell or annihilation and the grotesque and twisted stories in the OT make sense? It didn't to me, I always had issues but dismissed them because I just figured God's ways were higher than mine, God's thoughts are not my thoughts. But misogyny, the genocide, the despicable treatment of people, slavery, and the fact that none of this was addressed as being wrong by any of the prophets or any of the NT writers, mainly Paul. The most disgusting thing I've heard is William Lane Craig excusing the genocide on the Canaanites as "A Devine Command from God." He just says that it's hard for us to understand, ah yeah that's an understatement. It's beyond hard to understand it's wrong and speaks to God's moral compass and character. I've already had this conversation with my son, who says this was simply war, and that the Canaanites were evil so evidently they deserved it. Ask yourself why God created this mess and then instead of fixing it, punishes his "children" because of his decrees, his failed plan and his inability to take accountability. What a mess he created. Best to you, I'm sincere about that because I was where you were not too long ago.
@sdlorah6450
3 ай бұрын
Paul was a Jew of Jews; his credentials were lofty and his zeal for the Jews' religion unrivaled (see Philippians 3:4-6; Acts 22:1-21, 26:1-29). Yet, he would preach the risen Christ the Messiah, that he must needs have suffered, from the Hebrew scriptures to Jews in their synagogues (see Acts 17:1-3, for example). He commended the Jews in Berea, saying: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. (Acts 17:11-12). Jesus' works in his first coming to atone for mankind's sin were foretold in the Old Testament, and he and others recognized it. The New Testament scriptures, like the Old, were given to Jews (see Romans 3:2)--the apostles or their close associates, that men might be made wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus (see 2 Timothy 3:15).
@Badficwriter
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Since Paul was a deceiver, according to the Bible, placing his authority over Jesus's word, and Timothy was (spoiler) a forgery, the deceit came from the believers.
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 "For there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to buffet me, to keep me from getting too conceited. Three times I begged the Lord about this, that it might leave me, but he said unto me, 'My grace is sufficient for thee, for power is made perfect in weakness.'" Paul got stuck with a 'demon' --- the 'demon' of homosexual orientation when you compare Romans 1, Romans 7, and 1st Corinthians 7 with this. And Jesus refused to remove it! When an 'apostle' decided his own sexual orientation was a demon and Jesus refused to remove it, chances are that if this was actually a demon then Paul would probably have been teaching the doctrines of demons! 😂🤣😈
@deb6252
3 ай бұрын
Also. Paul has always given me the creeps. The extra time with problems and contradictions is well spent. Good job.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@kettei7743
3 ай бұрын
Happy SBS day, its kinda cool to see the interest to explore this material in the way you do
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Always appreciate you being here and your pov. Thanks
@EmmaHopman
3 ай бұрын
What's SBS mean?
@kettei7743
3 ай бұрын
@@EmmaHopman the title of the series, secular bible study
@martin2289
3 ай бұрын
@@EmmaHopman Secular Bible Study. Didn't get it initially either, so you're not alone. 😉
@deb6252
3 ай бұрын
I am learning a lot from each book. Thank you. Keep being fair and all-in, for all of the NT. I kept hearing you stating thoughts and questions I've had since a teen. With all the adults and "Christians" around me towing the line. Me thinking, "Well, they must know something I don't know." Because this stuff is bananas. Appreciate all your effort and dedication to the truth. I need your channel. Your thinking. And I will always...keep thinking.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Love that so much, Deb!
@kettei7743
3 ай бұрын
On the topic of homosexuality, scholars like Jeff Siker makes the argument that 1 Corinthians 6 :9-10 would be mean something like: “male prostitutes and the men who hire their services.” as Paul does not envision committed same-sex relationships between adults, since paying a prostitute for sex is not the same as living in a mutually committed relationship that includes far more than sex. A similar argument can be made regarding Romans 1: 26. This kind of clarification is important to me since it makes the justifications for homophobia in some Christians circles to be invalid, especially as someone who isn't heterosexual.
@noracola5285
3 ай бұрын
I don't have it in front of me but I remember reading that earlier translations used the word "effeminate" which was translated from a Greek (?) word that meant something more along the lines of "ostentatious". Also, I checked this one out myself: in the Hebrew Bible, the passage in Leviticus seems better translated to "with a boy" than "with a man". My reasoning is that the missing vowels that they assume to get the word "man (noun)" actually just means "male (adjective)", whereas if we try other vowels, the only applicable noun we can derive happens to mean "boy". Either way, homophobia is a choice & is not commanded. Not that any of it holds authority over anyone who uses reason.
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
3 ай бұрын
Except by the time the First Century CE both Philo and Josephus were applying those two verses in Leviticus and the Sodom passage as well against same-sex -relations- ploughing and strong same-sex desires. This was the Jewish line of thought Paul found himself in. For guidance on what the Pharisees and later Rabbis thought about it, a whole discussion can be found in the Talmud, b. Sanhedrin 52b (or is it 92b?).
@noracola5285
3 ай бұрын
@@user-uo7fw5bo1o Except nothing. They thought wrong. It's called commentary, which is what I was doing as well.
@noracola5285
3 ай бұрын
@@user-uo7fw5bo1o Yes those are more examples of people who were wrong for the reasons I pointed out. That Paul probably agreed with them doesn't change whether the thing he actually said was something different from what was printed later.
@warrensmith8161
3 ай бұрын
If people would only take the time to realize that the Bible is entirely allegorical, they would discover the male homosexuality is a metaphor for real world knowledge. (Please don't mistake me for a Christian just because I view the Bible as allegory. You would not believe how much most atheists love to avoid this topic.) This is because allegory is created when a female "cover" is "married" to male "reality" in order to create allegoric children, but when you have two males are bound together there is no deception and this is the epitome of true "evil". In the Gospels, Mary is a metaphor for Philo of Alexandrea, while Joseph was a metaphor for Josephus. The idea for a personified "Word" came from Philo, and since Christ had no real world existence, he was considered the result of a "virgin birth". However, the Gospel writers reinterpreted Josephus's accounts of the "Jewish" Revolt and inserted a personified Word in order to provide a foundation for a historical Christ, so metaphorically Josephus was the "father" of the Gospels, but not of Christ. (The true nature of Christ is suggested in the term "christening" when it is understood that assigning "metaphors" is also a way to "name" things. This connection is further reinforced in Song of Solomon 1:3 which states "...your name is ointment poured forth..." )
@nitawynn9538
3 ай бұрын
I never considered the lord’s supper anything but a symbol. The alternative thought is nauseating. And, yes, you better have confessed all your sins or your relationship with the lord would be harmed.
@johntiggleman4686
3 ай бұрын
@nitawynn9538 Yeah, Jesus said to "do this in remembrance of me." The hard part is where he says the bread was his body, and the wine his blood. Catholics take that as truth, but I have always seen it (since I was around 14) the bread symbolizes his body (flesh) and the wine his blood. Anyway, someplace in the OT God says not to drink blood. So how to the Catholics get past that? A rhetorical question, maybe.
@japexican007
3 ай бұрын
the Last Supper was a Passover Seder
@michaelhenry1763
3 ай бұрын
Very powerful video and analysis! Three contradictions that jump out at me: 1. Paul believes other gods are real after he says they are not and there is one God,but concedes it’s really just one god for them: “Hence, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “no idol in the world really exists” and that “there is no God but one.” Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as in fact there are many gods and many Lords- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NRSVUE 2. Paul says the “resurrected” Jesus taught him the Lord’s supper. Whereas the gospels historicize it. Even Luke combines Mark’s account with Paul’s account. 3. The Resurrection chapter: Paul says our bodies need to be raised spiritually as Jesus has been. The gospels write Jesus was raised bodily and infer he will be the only one to be raised. Paul resurrection appearances are never recreated in the gospel stories, except Peter. Mary Magdelane does not appear in Paul’s rendering.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
Michelle and Jim Bob trusted the bible and followed its advice to marry Josh young. Now Anna has to suffer the consequences with 7 kids. Great job, God. Advice like that can only come from someone infinitely more wise than us.
@tidakada7357
3 ай бұрын
Wheres Josh at
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
@@tidakada7357 Prison. He also cheated on Anna so I guess it didn't work getting him married to stop fornication.
@blueStarKitt7924
3 ай бұрын
Oh, brother! Ain't that the truth!
@QuestionThingsUseLogic
3 ай бұрын
@@tidakada7357still in prison and will be for years.
@al4nmcintyre
3 ай бұрын
Paul's diss track on "worldly knowledge" ended up being the mindset of 90% of the people i grew up around. "We don't need no book learnin'." "You think you're smarter than me because you read a lot." It's fascinating to see, but also a really sad commentary on large swaths of the Southern US.
@DrakeTimbershaft
3 ай бұрын
This is a great video! I'm glad we are getting a sense of time and place with the City of Corinth. As for Paul's arguments, they remind me of the character of Elder Arnold Cunningham from the musical "The Book of Mormon." Cunningham spliced the Book of Mormon with Star Wars, Star Trek, and The Lord of the Rings to win over new converts. Paul was more incisive than Cunningham, but it's clear when he comes up with things on the fly such as the resurrection of the faithful and the five hundred witnesses. "There were fifty... no... a hundred... no! FIVE HUNDRED! There were FIVE HUNDRED witnesses to Christ's miracles!" "But Paul, why don't we have any of those eyewitness accounts?" "Have you been... uh, yanking the crank, my brother?" "Huh?" "Ha! I knew it! To perdition's flames with you!"
@robbyroba
3 ай бұрын
No greater hate than Christian love.
@simplybaker.
3 ай бұрын
This is the kind of length and depth i LOVE. I think you also nailed the tone in this vieeo Brandon where its asking hard questions that demand ab answer but its not in a voice where you might be written off like a Dawkins
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Really glad to hear it. Thanks!
@26beegee
3 ай бұрын
I never really understood why the OT and NT have been connected, the god is just so different from one to the other. The same with Christianity - Jesus crucifixion may have been the basis for the religion but, it really should have been named after Paul who established all the foundational rules of the mythology.
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
Marcion basically thought exactly this. He threw out the whole Old Testament, said Yahweh was an inferior and evil creator of the material world only, and that Jesus was the son of the true God and Paul was his most important apostle. He even created his own collection of works. There is speculation the New Testament might have been assembled and codified specifically to correct Marcionite heresies: "No no, THESE are the correct scriptures."
@26beegee
3 ай бұрын
@@Uryvichk I have just started learning about Marcion, someone I had never heard of in 50 years of church attendance and Bible studies. Marcion makes sense to me, if any of it were reality based anyway.
@WS-dd8ow
3 ай бұрын
It’s likely because there wasn’t really any meaningful distinction between Judaism and Christianity in the beginning, and in fact scholars really struggle to point to exactly when and how they split. The early Christians were still Hebrews in basically every sense of the word, and still apparently continued practicing the Hebrew religion as before. So to throw out the Hebrew bible at that point wouldn’t have been thinkable. It’s only with the inclusion of gentiles that the Hebrew bible, at least the mitzvot, arguably becomes irrelevant in some ways, but they still seem to need the link to Judaic lore and supposed prophecy fulfillment for credibility purposes.
@toonyandfriends1915
2 ай бұрын
because if you read the NT clearly jesus likes the OT and its GOD so saying otherwise is clearly wrong and incorrect, and some guy trying to make an entire religion (as a catholic) out of this specific thing which seems to be clearly incorrect would be heretical in their standard
@26beegee
2 ай бұрын
@@toonyandfriends1915 I have read both the OT and NT multiple times, unlike the majority of Christians who just carry the book to and from church and only read the scriptures quoted by their pastors on Sunday. I know this because my dad and brother are both pastors and I attended church for 50 years. I knew these people, very few were actual students of the Bible. Religion is basically a social club with a life insurance policy. Jesus might have liked the OT but, Paul (who actually created Christianity) sure didn’t like the OT. He abandoned the law, changed all the traditions, welcomed outsiders…why we don’t call the religion Paulianity I don’t know.
@imjustsayingthough2261
3 ай бұрын
I remember asking my sister and mother about taking communion that i thought it was weird to eat Jesus body and drink his blood especially after watching Indiana Jones and the Temp of doom. My mom jyst looked at me and shook her head while my sister just says huumm. They dont like to think about it. They just do it
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
its so very strange once you get some distance from it.
@johntiggleman4686
3 ай бұрын
@imjustsayingthough2261 Ask them why they believe they are drinking the blood of Christ, if God said in the OT not to drink blood? I understand communion bread/wafer/wine were symbolic, not literal.
@ReasonQuest
3 ай бұрын
It's almost as if "god" has raised Brandon up to speak truth to us all. (heheh) Seriously, you never disappoint, Brandon. When I was a Christian, one of the HIGHEST praises a person could give (to a person, not God, of course haha) was that that person, "...really knows his Bible." At 45:20 for the next 50 seconds or so, you demonstrate that you "really know your Bible," Brandon-SO well.
@kathrynyoung3362
3 ай бұрын
Such a great series, Brandon. It’s so nice to see someone’s biblical education ( formal and informal) be put to an actual good use. I agree with many that if people really read the Bible there would be far fewer Christians.
@tussk.
3 ай бұрын
The 500 witnesses has always bothered me, and I used to counter the claim with a demand to name one. Just one. But then I realised that it wouldn't matter if Paul had named all 500 of them. We still wouldn't be able to verify the claim. Even if we had records that all of those people indeed existed, they had all long since passed when Paul wrote his auto-hagiography, so what they saw or didn't see would be no clearer. It's still a crock of talking donkey poop.
@Mac-vy2-rv
3 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree. If any court case was based on the same evidentiary standard as these supposed witnesses or texts in which this claim is contained, it wouldn’t make the grade as the entirety of it is hearsay. That’s even before you get to the multitude of problems associated with witness testimony. Moreover, this would even be far more relevant to a lot less extraordinary claims.
@warrensmith8161
3 ай бұрын
Actually, I believe that Paul's 500 witnesses is an allusion to Clement's use of the Phoenix as a "witness" to resurrection in his letter to the Corinthians in which he states: "...There is a certain bird which is called a phoenix. This is the only one of its kind, and lives five hundred years." (First Clement 25) Why Clement would employ the supposedly mythical Phoenix to support the idea of a real world resurrection seems rather suspicious on its own, but one should also wonder about the amazing "coincidence" that it includes the "Corinthians", the number "five hundred" and the idea of "resurrection" in such a way that it suggests a disguised connection to Paul's five hundred witnesses. My interpretations of New Testament allegory indicates that in the Gospels, "Peter" (three times "denier", "Satan" behind Christ, holder of the "keys") is a metaphor for the writings of Josephus related to the "Jewish" Revolt which were reinterpreted to create the Gospels. So Paul's claim that"...he (the resurrected Christ) appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred..." is intended as a rough timeline placing Josephus first, the Gospels second, and Clement last. Obviously, this suggests that this passage attributed to Paul is an interpolation made sometime after Clement wrote his letter to the Corinthians. (As was mentioned in the video, Corinth was also "resurrected" and therefore serves as a suitable location for a discussion of resurrection.) This does not mean that Paul did not predate all of them, but Paul had only "witnessed" a "spiritual" Christ, and this interpolation was intended to trace only the development of the "historical" Christ and fix Paul's apparent ignorance in this regard.
@Nobody47885
3 ай бұрын
Great video as always. If I can make a suggestion though, and I know this task might be a bit time consuming since you made a bunch of these videos already, but it would be nice if you could site your sources about authorship, date, and other claims about the historicity of the Bible from biblical scholars for you old and new videos.
@Betttty
Ай бұрын
I need to read the Bible back to back and watch your series again thank you so much for doing this
@AnnoyingNewsletters
3 ай бұрын
@Brandon thank you for going over the problematic passages, instead of just putting them up on the screen. I mostly listen while doing other things, like painting miniatures, and even if I did watch, I know I wouldn't go searching for verses or even read along.
@akulagepard9510
3 ай бұрын
sometimes I wonder if this religion shouldn’t be called Paulianitry
@presentfuture7563
3 ай бұрын
I can't wait til we get to TWO Corinthians. That's the best book, the most beautiful book. I won't tell you a verse, because they're all my favorite. I wouldn't want to get into it, because to me it's personal, it's very personal. 😉🙃
@davidball549
3 ай бұрын
Hi Brandon, I British born and bred and I'm not a Christian because my parents weren't, there were no Christians in my close family, and nor did we have Christian family-friends or neighbours. Nor was my primary and secondary schools religious, exept for Religious Education lessons in the latter, and even that was broader than a Christian-centric approach. So I never needed to watch videos like yours to break free from the religion's spell. I listen because of the way the host presents their arguments and you're one of the best, Brandon. There are lots of good ones out there, but you and Dan McLellan - who I stumbled upon at around the same time as I stumbled upon you - are the best. Keep up the good work!👍
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@TheRatzor
3 ай бұрын
The of the most funny thing was Paul said we are saved by faith so none can boast but then I thoughts to myself some have more faith and other less so if both got into heaven could not one say to the other I had more faith than you, isn't that boasting lol don't you get more reward in heaven based on how strong your faith was and is? also why are all Christian most obsessed with Sex more than any other sin lol I love this book it makes so much sense! :)
@michaelhenry1763
3 ай бұрын
Yes, yes. Paul loved to boast. It’s the same for money. “Don’t give me money. I will pay my own way. But…. Jesus did say I am supposed to get your money.”
@Truth-Be-Told-USA
3 ай бұрын
Make sure you thank your loving God for his creation of cancer, pain, suffering, natural disasters, strokes, and death as it's obvious jesus was not enough to appease God . Why is it you must die BEFORE God loves you? Makes zero sense. God is either non existent or clearly evil. jesus wasn't enough to stop God from hating his creation and jesus didn't do anything to stop "sin" as,"sin" is everywhere. Even if there was a jesus he failed same as the flood God created as "sin" survived. I believe evil survived because God enjoys his own evil entertainment for himself. God is so evil he needlessly punishes innocent animals and children every day. Sorry people i won't worship evil. Not happening.
@yacaattwood2421
3 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!! And there will be CRICKETS from believers on this - or hateful, sociopathic screeds about “The Fall” or “free will”
@59master60
3 ай бұрын
I never understood why children and animals always get in the crossfire in these stories, anyways I agree with you.
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the secular Bible study Brandon! 😊 OMG Paul's teachings are literally an omnishambles. But he really does have this hang-up about sex in general and homosexuality in particular. And he fires poisoned arrows at us gay men in two places already saying that what we are and do is unforgivable and yet he turns right around and says it is forgivable because "some of you guys once were such". Porphyry (or is it Celsus?) would say of this as he said of his teachings on meat sacrificed unto idols: "Oh, a _new_ kind of archery, where the archer fires the arrow back onto himself!" Just ridiculous. I'm looking forward to your sbs on 2 Corinthians where in chapter 12 he talks about Paul's thorn in the flesh. There's a train of thought in NT scholarship that this thorn was his sexual orientation and that he himself was homosexual, which has implications for his relationship with Onesimus and friendship with Philemon. And Paul seemingly suggesting that gay men marry women is just bad advice. Again, thank you! I love the series, Brando. 😊❤🥰
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Love all the insights
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
3 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-BrandonYou're welcome! 😊
@johntiggleman4686
3 ай бұрын
@user-uo7fw5bo1o Either that (thorn in the flesh/homosexuality), or it was his having to deal with corrective letters/emissaries sent to the churches pointing out Paul's errant teaching (no need of The Law).
@brianwilson7497
3 ай бұрын
I realized another fun rebuke of the overall design of the religion's dependence on a holy book while watching this video: the christian god uses language as a weapon against the organization/power of man; god destroys the tower of babel by introducing new languages to the workers of the tower knowing that it would provoke the failure of the entire project. Yet in the next step, god decides that distributing his Word and Plan and divine information using a BOOK, dependent on the same exact language that he used to destroy a people's ability to oppose him, is the best course of action. Setting aside humanity's role in imperfect translations and personal agendas that influence the message of the same text through time, god itself CHOSE essentially the weapon he created to divide a people to ... unite them in one message? How does that make any sense? With his Knowledge, wouldn't it have also be obvious that, if nothing else, using language to muddy and confuse the divine message would be an incredibly easy and perhaps primary attack on the message by his opponents (i.e. the devil)?
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
God judged with water (the flood) and he saves with water (baptism).
@noracola5285
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 This god sounds like a pretty mixed up character.
@Badficwriter
3 ай бұрын
@@noracola5285 Par for the course. Jesus said God blinded a man from birth so Jesus could show God's glory. Think how amazed we'll be when millenia of suffering is fixed by God juice! The time lapse is to build suspense.
@SoteraSuspiriorum
3 ай бұрын
I love this channel! This is amazing! Please continue the good work, spread the Good News of Free Thinking!
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for that!
@myrawest
3 ай бұрын
I love the long episodes
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Very glad to hear it!
@Israphel776
3 ай бұрын
That entire rant around 30:00 More people need to think like this. I see so many early 20's single moms because they thought they "found true love" and immediately hooked up with the first person to even glance at them. Don't even realize they're still children having children. smh
@ghostreyn
3 ай бұрын
I remember asking multiple pastors and leaders in different churches "what is love?" And "how does one love god." I would usually get the same answer, 1 Cor 13, it was a bit frustrating as it still didnt make sense to me. It was such an abstract concept that made no sense, yet i was expected act or feel a certain way to an abstract concept, when this abstract concept is being told to me is not a feeling but an act. A fun fact about the head covering thing, in India that verse about head coverings for women (in christian spaces) is taken litterally and the women do wear scarves on there head when praying or going to church.
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
"In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome" 1 John 5:3
@Badficwriter
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 OBEY
@branthlysauveur359
3 ай бұрын
In my church, women wore hats, scarves, bandannas, etc etc to cover their heads.
@dmitrykup8867
3 ай бұрын
Wow, there are SO many problematic passages in this epistle O_O And each of them deserves its own video. Great episode! I also had a couple of interesting thoughts while I was watching it. One week ago, I wrote a comment under the previous SBS episode where I mentioned that Paul apparently was so confident in himself that he was not afraid of speaking on behalf of God. And what do we have in the 1st Corinthians? First, let's remember who was the only one who handed a person over to Satan in the OT? It was God who handed poor Job over to Satan. But in the NT it's Paul who commands to do the same. In the OT, God gives a command concerning circumcision. And what does Paul do? He writes "guys, circumcision doesn't matter anymore!" In the OT, God creates Adam and Eve and gives them a command to be a couple and have children. They are blessed by God himself to do it. And what about Paul? "Nah, marriage is bad, stay single just like me". If you think thoroughly about it, this is very scary. Paul doesn't only speak on behalf of God, sometimes he speaks as if he were God himself, creating a new religion with new commands and rules. And he even thinks that he has authority to hand someone over to Satan! This is crazy.
@davidball549
3 ай бұрын
Hi Brandon, I'm British born and bred and I'm not a Christian because my parents weren't, there were no Christians in my close family, and nor did we have Christian family-friends or neighbours. Nor was my primary and secondary schools religious, exept for Religious Education lessons in the latter, and even that was broader than a Christian-centric approach. Indeed, when I moved to high school in 1976, I didn't even know what denomination I was born into (Church of England) when asked and the classroom assistant had to ask me the name of my primary school to figure it out. So I never needed to watch videos like yours to break free from the religion's spell. I listen because of the way the hosts present their arguments and you're one of the best, Brandon. There are lots of good ones out there, but you and Dan McLellan - who I stumbled upon at around the same time as I stumbled upon you - are the best. Keep up the good work!👍
@TimHoustonSB
3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Brandon, always invigorating 👍
@michaelvout7813
3 ай бұрын
Your biblical series are magnificent. Thank you.
@tired_buthappy
Ай бұрын
I just want to thank you for all of your videos.
@MindShift-Brandon
Ай бұрын
It is my pleasure! Thanks for that
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
"How are they reconciling this?" (staying single vs being married) - you just blew my mind, I never realized this before. Probably no one else does either.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu did you watch the video? He referenced a verse in proverbs or something about how good it is to marry. I guess Solomon forgot to mention that it's even better NOT to be married. But it's so good to be! Just stop there lol.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu I don't know how amazingly good something is when the exact opposite is actually better. It's kind of weird. Can you think of any other thing where you can rave a bout how good something is and then forget to mention that the complete opposite is actually even better? Seems like you could just skip the lesser one and rave about the better one.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu The same level of opposite as being saved if you call out Lord Lord and also not being saved for calling out Lord Lord.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu How is marrying and not marrying anything but opposite? It's good to win the lottery! Buuuttttt... it's even better to NOT win the lottery! It's good to have people in your life that love you! Buuuuuuutttt... you know what's even better? NOT having people in your life that love you. etc etc. Can you be both married and not married at the same time? It's mutually exclusive. Christianity is all about arguing nonsense into the ground. Kind of why I left. Nothing but nonsense. Tons of it.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu I think this conversation has a very familiar Christian-nonsenseness to it.
@Ebi.Adonkie
3 ай бұрын
One sunday when I was a child, During Sunday school round up (My mum was a sunday school superintendent) my mum was asked if its compulsory to get baptized? She said no, but the resident pastor took the microphone and said yes it's compulsory for salvation. My mum felt embarrassed but I knew they were both right.
@ewuraamaetruwaasam7084
3 ай бұрын
Is it the Assemblies of God?
@Ebi.Adonkie
3 ай бұрын
@@ewuraamaetruwaasam7084 wow, spot on!
@jjrodriguez6513
3 ай бұрын
What do you think about including someone for collaboration in this series? You’re doing great! I just thought it might be cool to add a bible scholar’s perspective about the overview or problematic verses. I don’t think it would change a theists perspective, but it could add info!
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
i am sure i will revisit certain verses with scholars in the future, just gonna keep this series simple for now, but good suggestion.
@DPortugal
3 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon Agree, it would be like a constant debate.
@Badficwriter
3 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon Since these are summaries, yeah, keep them short!
@astrosaurus7021
3 ай бұрын
christianity is the worst thing ever for OCD
@adamstricker1616
3 ай бұрын
Roberr Sapolsky has suggested that religious rituals may have developed because of OCD. kzitem.info/news/bejne/mJ2BsICXnZmrmY4si=BReMoGhYa6z_bI_4
@braindeadfaith
3 ай бұрын
Definitely appreciated you reading through the conflicts - listened to this episode during a road trip 👏
@simonkoster
3 ай бұрын
The "setting the stage" segment at the start is a keeper!
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@stevenhogenson4880
2 ай бұрын
Point 13 -- Temptation > If the claim that god will not let us be tempted beyond our ability to resist were ACTUALLY true, then nobody would sin. Sin could ONLY occur if we were tempted beyond what we could bear. That fact that sin apparently exists to the point that the bible labels everyone as sinners lays bare the lie of the claim.
@ShyyGaladriel
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering these.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@jeffbenelli6999
3 ай бұрын
Great show any chance we could get your secular Bible study as mandatory listen for seminaries? They could learn a lot.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Ha! Thanks, man!
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
"as mandatory listen for seminaries" As an example how not to exegete the bible?
@jgibson5041
3 ай бұрын
Personally I prefer the more drawn out version of the contradictions because it arms me better when speaking to religious family members. Love your channel Brandon, keep up the good work!
@wearloga
3 ай бұрын
Another enlightening episode. Please keep taking your time for the contradictions and problematic passages, as I'm not well read on the bible (it's a tough book to read), The extra context you provide is very helpful.
@greenleaf239
3 ай бұрын
That passage from 1 Cor. 5:3-5 (at time 40:55) is wild. It seems to contradict other Christian teachings about salvation. If Satan destroys a sinner's body, his spirit is saved?
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
3 ай бұрын
Woot woot! I studied 1 Corinthians 11 a lot and thought it was pretty clear that women are supposed to cover their heads when praying (or prophesying whatever that means).
@dawnalawrence6584
3 ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@tulpas93
3 ай бұрын
Thanks, Brandon! Love your content and style. 🎉
@hermione3muller674
3 ай бұрын
I am missing a hint towards the overall demagogery of pressing the audience for money. When i took the time read first corinthians in one go, i realized how it all culminates in give me your money. The money thing does not seem to be an unimportant add on but the main goal of the letter. The entire love thing is used to build up a bad conscience if you do not give lots of money.
@brentkrohn3786
3 ай бұрын
This was very informative! So many things in the bible i was not aware of or it was explained away through some kind of mental gymnastics.
@tobymartin2137
3 ай бұрын
Paul calls himself a Hebrew of Hebrews and a violent persecutor of Christians before his conversion, but we've only got his word for it. I'm not saying he was lying, of course, it's just that our embarrassment over our past tends to loom larger the more we remember it, so I don't think it's unreasonable in the slightest to see it as an exaggeration. Among the diaspora also, there were many different interpretations of Judaism, and it's a shame we have basically no record of the kind of interactions he had before throwing himself into Christian missionary work. Who were the models of his version of Judaism? We know from the Mishnah that disputes over how to practice the Law were widespread, and it was suggested I think by James Tabor that Paul's interpretation of Judaism was considerably more legalistic than some other Jews may have recognised, hence he found salvation through faith so attractive. In his gleeful prediction that God will shame the wisdom of the world, he puts himself in opposition to the likes of Philo of Alexandria, the archetypal Hellenistic Jew.
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
Well, you don't have to say it, but I will: He was lying. He has a laughably bad grasp of Hebrew theology. If he was a Hebrew of Hebrews, I'd hate to see the ones who were bad at it in his day. Also, if he persecuted Christians, when did he do that? How? To whom? Was this anywhere near Jerusalem, the place he claims he avoided for a very long time so that nobody could accuse him of getting his doctrine from other men? It doesn't add up.
@Lorn_Forge
3 ай бұрын
Great video as always brandon, if you don't mind me asking when we eventually finish secular bible study will we cover some of the non canonical books of the bible like the book of enoch?
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
I was planning to and will at some point but i think first im gonna switch over to non scripture for a bit. Im gonna walk through each of the early greek works for a while in a new series called Greek Think
@grahamblack1961
3 ай бұрын
It's so funny, if he was around today Paul would be a chat room monitor.
@remllof
3 ай бұрын
Firstly, thank you for all of your videos. My wife and I have learned so much. We are both former Catholics. #9 of the Problematic Passages we realized that the Catholic church believes in both, the eucharist being done in memory of Jesus as well as the literal flesh and blood.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
So very happy to! Thanks!
@somedude5281
3 ай бұрын
Brandon, I'm having doubts about the evidence of the resurrection and the overall bible, how are you so sure of what you believe in? I would like a video on why you don't believe in the evidence for the claims of the bible, mostly NT I like your channel it has helped me. I often find myself with emotional discomfort, specially when looking at apologetics about the authorship and credibility of gospels or arguments from believers in this comment section. I would appreciate some help in these aspects of not believing anymore.
@jjrodriguez6513
3 ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/wqJ7yaJjrZeVa6Asi=QLYAASN8Bz6ra3rI Hi friend. This should be the video Brandon’s deconversion story. He might explain why he doesn’t believe in there. I know what made me stop believing recently. It was mostly realizing that the Gospels aren’t 1st hand testimony. Learning about the general dating of each book caused me to be suspicious. Even how the general canonization of the Bible is super interesting. I’d recommend listening to bible scholars though, Brandon is fantastic, but having a scholar explain those complex topics is better. You’re not alone. I hope you feel seen, heard and loved because everyone deserves that.
@manatwilight8434
3 ай бұрын
There’s lots of reasons, and he kinda covers a lot of it in all his videos. For me, I think it was realizing that Adam & Eve weren’t real, and the Flood of Noah, couldn’t have happened, because there would be solid evidence that it did, and not only is there no evidence, there’s an overwhelming amount of evidence against it, so much so they’re considered allegory or metaphor by Christian’s who understand science today. Not only that, but even if they were real, they’d just prove how weak & evil such a god would be. Like why do you need to destroy the innocent animals alive at the time, to deal with a human problem, when your god, and can basically do anything. The more you dig into the Bible, without the Christian blinders on, the more you see the contradictions, and the wrongness of it all.
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
What evidence for the claims in the Bible? All the Bible has are claims. There's no Book of Evidence that goes with it.
@OublietteTight
3 ай бұрын
Excellent coverage, thank you. Going to need to rewatch this several times to catch it all. Power packed.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Love to hear it. Thanks!
@jamiegallier2106
3 ай бұрын
Fascinating ❤❤❤
@rcktneoofusa
3 ай бұрын
I have many theories for this issues between Jesus and Paul teachings: - The gospels (generally attributed to Matthew, Mark, John and Like) was written by anonymous persons from a different sect from Paul. - Paul was unaware about some aspects in Jesus life (since the gospel was written years later than Paul's epistles and Paul never seen Jesus face to face). - Paul was the true Founder of the Jesus cult. (And the guys who meet Jesus during his life joined him. Years later, the gospels was written) - Paul intentionally was deviating Jesus teachings in a attempt to make Christianity more suitable and attractive to the Gentiles (since nobody know who wrote the Hebrews epistle and Paul himself calls itself "Apostle of The Gentiles")
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
Yep
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
Were there actually any people who met Jesus during his lifetime? Does Paul ever actually say that?
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
@@Uryvichk nope. He talks about meeting Peter and James. Never that they knew historical Jesus.
@rcktneoofusa
3 ай бұрын
@@JasonHenderson wait, Peter and James never met Jesus during his timelife? Wow, this changes a bit my theories. But i still prefer the theory of intentional deviation, because looks suitable
@JasonHenderson
3 ай бұрын
@@rcktneoofusa I didn't say this. I believe in Paul's uncontested letters, he never mentions what Peter and James said about physical Jesus during his lifetime. Paul never mentions that Peter or James told him they knew historical Jesus. I believe. All he says was he met them once, and they told him nothing of value.
@59master60
3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video as always Brandon
@Betttty
Ай бұрын
I love it when you get carried away and dont stick to the script 😂😂😂
@ReasonQuest
3 ай бұрын
I would love you to do a video on 1 Cor. 13 vs. Hebrews 11. How does one reconcile 1 Cor. 13:13 (...and the greatest of these is love.) with Hebrews 11:6 (...without faith it is impossible to please God.)? I remember as a child sitting through more than one sermon (protestant obviously, given this point) that said something like "Mother Theresa could have all the love in the world, but if she doesn't have faith in her personal relationship with Jesus, she's not going to heaven." In that light, it seems like 1 Cor. 13:13 should read "...and the greatest of these is FAITH." Love ain't gonna get you to heaven!
@dkgoolsby
3 ай бұрын
One thing to consider is that Paul's letters were highly apocalyptical and in that context (an embedding end of the age and return of the Anointed One) the caution against getting married makes more sense. As far as Paul not coming to baptize being equated with him speaking against its value to salvation, I'm not sure that the two are equivalent. Paul's words in other writings like Galatians states that being baptized is how one "puts on" Christ.
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
Good point and as for baptism i should have been more clear. I think paul values it. My point was he was above it. Him saying Christ didnt call me personally to which i think is against the commission.
@fmphotooffice5513
3 ай бұрын
...prefer the more details in contradictions, etc. You're still more or less within one hour per book.
@trentlytle7289
3 ай бұрын
Paul proves that Jesus didn't resurrect in ch.15. He argues that you can be sure of Jesus' resurrection because there are already people who are coming back to life. "For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised."
@MindShift-Brandon
3 ай бұрын
thats interesting, I need to go back and look at that.
@trentlytle7289
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu if Paul is arguing for a future event, the argument fails. There has been no resurrection for 2K years, so one can use the words of Paul to establish that Jesus was not raised from the dead. The idea that Paul believed in a current resurrection of the dead is supported by the passage in 1 Thes 4:13-18, which had to be fixed by 2 Thes who accused the writer of 1 Thes of impersonating Paul. It's arguable that the passage I'm referring to is arguing that Jesus' resurrection is the "firstfruits" or the sign that the general resurrection is starting. Paul is writing to an audience that believes they are the last humans before God's kingdom.
@trentlytle7289
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu The passage in 1 Thes sets up the basic premise of my argument, that the resurrection of the dead will precede the people who Paul is preaching to. "...and the dead in Christ shall rise first. The we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the air and clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air..." The idea that there is yet to be a second coming is something that came after Paul that had to be fixed by texts like 2 Thes and 2 Peter. The resurrection of Jesus WAS his second coming, his first coming was his earthly life. If Paul believes that the dead will precede the living in this coming kingdom, then it is entirely reasonable to read 1 Cor as talking to people who believe that those who have died in Christ are being raised. In fact, the writers of Matthew depicted as much in Matt 27:52. If you are arguing that all are raised at once, then this passage is at odds with your interpretation. I can also just read in 1 Cor 15:20 that Jesus is the first of the fruits. If all fruit is harvested together, then Jesus is the signal that it is happening. That is what the text says, I am addressing it.
@trentlytle7289
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu Sorry if this comment is a repeat, KZitem can be funny. Your analogy about the first fruits necessarily entail timeliness. The first fruit is the signal that the time is ripe to harvest. A wait time of 2K years is, by analogy, letting the fruit spoil on the vine. If Paul is arguing for a future event, his argument that he set up is now falsified. No resurrection has happened, and every day we get more confidence that it won't. 1 Thes addresses my point because it says that the dead will precede the living in the resurrection. "...and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air..." This goes against your interpretation of the first fruits analogy, as does the author of Matthew's depiction of Saints being raised from their graves in Matt 27;52. Those who have died in Christ are going to precede those who are alive, and those who are alive are the last generation. This point, on top of the point I made that texts in the Bible say Paul was either mistaken (2 Peter) or someone forged a letter by him (2 Thes) makes my reading very plausible.
@trentlytle7289
3 ай бұрын
@EdFranklin-mj5qu Paul is talking to Christians, so they all affirm the resurrection of Jesus. He is writing to people who doubt the general resurrection. It's more like, "If Jesus wasn't raised then what's the point? There has to be a resurrection otherwise we're all sinners. You can be sure that it's happening (will happen, by your reading) because Jesus was raised." If I read this as an immediate resurrection, Paul is wrong. He died and never came back to life. If I read this as a future event, Paul is wrong, there has yet to be any resurrection.
@AnnoyingNewsletters
3 ай бұрын
Without having looked into the circumstances of destruction of Corinth, it seems like Rome really dropped the ball. If theyd have conquered as their own colony initially, they'd have had a major trade and military base of operations.
@TheDustySkeptic
3 ай бұрын
Great video, Brandon. Thank you for inspiring me for starting my own channel!
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
The big issues with 1 Corinthians for me are the following: 1) Paul is very clearly a subordinationist, so any Christian view that tries to make Jesus co-equal to God is a non-starter if we want to take Paul seriously as scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:21-28 can't really be more clear about this. Arius didn't pluck this stuff from out of nowhere. 2) Paul's theological arguments don't really work. Even setting aside that the First/Last Adam dichotomy that falls apart if there wasn't an Adam (or even a Jesus), his basis for gentile inclusion just isn't really clear, and his arguments regarding the resurrection come across as wishful thinking more than any sort of persuasive defense that a resurrection actually occurred. If Paul's arguments don't work, then everyone who claims to be Christian is somehow doing Christianity wrong. That should be deeply concerning.
@phi4721
3 ай бұрын
Are you saying Paul's books are against the trinity?
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
@@phi4721 The Trinity wasn't invented for 300 years after Paul. Paul is quite explicit that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. If he's subordinate, he's not co-equal as Trinitarian creeds demand.
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
@@Uryvichk You are mixing economic trinity and immanent trinity. "The immanent Trinity is the relations in God between the three persons, The economic Trinity is God in the economy of "his" dealings with the world, especially in the economy of salvation."
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
3 ай бұрын
@@Uryvichk "Even setting aside that the First/Last Adam dichotomy that falls apart if there wasn't an Adam (or even a Jesus)" Every argumen falls apart if one of the premises are wrong, duh. "his basis for gentile inclusion just isn't really clear" "Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you." Galatians 3:8 "and his arguments regarding the resurrection come across as wishful thinking more than any sort of persuasive defense that a resurrection actually occurred." Paul saw the risen Lord. "About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me." Acts 22:6-9
@Uryvichk
3 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 "You are mixing economic trinity and immanent trinity." I'm not mixing anything, as there is no Trinity at all. Paul never knew of any such thing. There are no incoherent polytheistic notions in the New Testament. There is no Trinity. They invented it in the 4th Century CE. Prior to that all references to any mixture of the Father, Son, and Spirit clearly distinguished the Son (and Spirit) as subordinate to the Father, who was the only God. Full stop, the Trinity cannot be found in the Bible, no author of the Bible even knew what that meant, nor did any of them believe it. The Trinity exists to patch up holes in the full divinity of Christ, another thing that is not in the New Testament. The only "true God" in the New Testament is the Father. "Every argumen falls apart if one of the premises are wrong, duh." Right, and there was no such person as Adam, and possibly no such person as Jesus. So Paul's argument for why people are sinful does not go through, and there is no reason to believe that sin exists. Glad we agree. "Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: 'All nations will be blessed through you.' Galatians 3:8" Yes, that is Paul's argument, and he is making things up and mischaracterizing the promise to Abraham. He thinks God was talking about Jesus specifically and not Abraham's descendants, he is just reading whatever he wants into the text. Pure eisegesis, and wrong besides. There is no justification for the supercession of the original covenant beyond Paul wanting an easier sell to his gentile converts. "Paul saw the risen Lord." No, Paul says he did. First, there's no good reason to believe anybody rose to begin with, so I don't believe there was anyone for him to see. Second, he could easily have invented the story, and there is good reason to think he did; his own statements and obvious doctrinal changes convict him. Also, Paul didn't write Acts, which contradicts Paul's own statements about the things he said and did. Do you believe Paul was lying and the author of Acts -- who offers no sources -- was telling the truth? Somebody is communicating false information here. (It's both of them, Acts is fanfiction and Paul never saw anybody.)
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