But... Elim Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true." Dr. Julian Bashir: "Even the lies?" Elim Garak: "Especially the lies."
@macswanton9622
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it's why we trekkies tend to ignore them (plot holes) :o)
@beowulfathay6097
2 жыл бұрын
my fave Garak moment
@snapdragon9300
2 жыл бұрын
But wasn't Bashir also a spy?
@beowulfathay6097
2 жыл бұрын
@@snapdragon9300 that depends on how you look at it. Did that agency even exist at that point...? they were supposed to leave it up to the viewer, but the Discovery tv show fucked that up
@marcusfranconium3392
2 жыл бұрын
Always hide a lie in side the truth and a truth inside a lie.
@Qq-xs1fz
3 жыл бұрын
Khan had met Chekov offscreen, no problem there. The real mega plot hole in TWOK is Chekov's crew inability to count up to 6 (planets in the system).
@grahck4391
3 жыл бұрын
In TWoK, Koenig once said that his character was on the Enterprise, but below decks, and held up the bathroom while Khan really needed to go.
@Kara_Kay_Eschel
3 жыл бұрын
I hate to be in that bathroom when Khan's genetically enhanced bladder and bowels needs to be emptied.
@szr8
3 жыл бұрын
@@Kara_Kay_Eschel From Hell's kitchen, I crap at thee...
@3piper
3 жыл бұрын
I was at a convention when Walter Koenig was asked this. He told this hilarious story that he was below decks, having a serious bowel movement. Khan really had to go and was banging on the door. When Chekov finally came out , Khan said he would always remember his face
@BillBadMule123
3 жыл бұрын
@@szr8 LOL
@Heavensrun
3 жыл бұрын
But youuuuuuu....(barely concealed loathing) I never forget a faaaace...
@stuartwald2395
3 жыл бұрын
The Uhura problem can be resolved by having her memories not really wiped out but just suppressed, so the education brings back her own memories/personality.
@TheStarTrekApologist
3 жыл бұрын
That is what I said in my video on the subject. I even explain why it did not reach her early memories.
@StevenLockey
2 жыл бұрын
Or McCoy found a way to reverse it between episodes when he had more time to study it.
@mrcritical6751
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully because if not it basically means the real Uhura is essentially dead
@HammerJammer81
3 жыл бұрын
I love the fact Garak was given free reign. Im pretty sure Sisko knew who he was dealing with and allowed the relationships to develop for trust reasons. In the end Garak proves himself to be for the greater good. Favorite character in ST.
@johnbockelie3899
3 жыл бұрын
Rand also shown up in The search for Spock. as " Woman in space dock" as the credits state, who stares at the Enterprise drifting by the window..
@Terri_MacKay
3 жыл бұрын
He's my favourite TV character, period.
@szr8
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnbockelie3899 And as Commander Janice Rand in The Voyage Home.
@ginnyjollykidd
3 жыл бұрын
Not "reign" but "rein."
@billkeithchannel
3 жыл бұрын
I loved the WWII analogy with these races. The Bjorans were the Jews and the Cardacians were the Nazis. Garack was a "Nazi" war criminal who later did his best to atone for his crimes against humanoidity. Or so he wants people to think.
@elsydeon666
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, Garak spent six months in prison for trying to hijack the Defiant. They even mention it when he comes back.
@FeedScrn
Жыл бұрын
He also deliberately set on fire his tailor shop.. and could have burnt down DS9 or a large part of it in the process.... Yet another punishment hole.
@MoveoverAndbark
Жыл бұрын
That's a felony!!!!! As well as a crime against the Federation (try stealing a police car or fire truck)....
@terraprime4457
5 ай бұрын
@@FeedScrnactually 🤓🤓🤓 he blow up his shop with explosives which is arguably worse
@FeedScrn
5 ай бұрын
@@terraprime4457 - I would say that deliberately blowing up your own shop on an enclosed space station is a sign of mental illness. They should have dealt with that better, IMO.
@bandgeek9723
3 жыл бұрын
My headcanon for the "Relics" plot hole is simply that Scotty had just spent however many years in a stasis loop and he was probably more than a little disoriented upon his rescue.
@SeraphRyan
3 жыл бұрын
Thats everyone's headcanon :P
@ginnyjollykidd
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, well.
@harryschlitz4067
3 жыл бұрын
Scotty could have been thinking that when Kirk "died" he could have came back...some how.
@macswanton9622
3 жыл бұрын
That, or Romulan ale
@DarkLordPrime
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't someone in the episode (Data?) state that the pattern was slightly degraded due to how long the loop had been going?
@bonzairob
3 жыл бұрын
For Seska, in the episode where she's revealed, she has a surface level backstory about getting a blood transfusion from a Cardassian, and they only saw through it after results came back from a detailed analysis. Personally, I always thought it was to another hint towards Bajoran/Cardassian shared ancestry - like how easily Dukat has kids with Bajorans, and how the ancient solar sail craft end up in the Cardassian solar system.
@3of19
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to post something along these lines :D
@1993bahamut
3 жыл бұрын
Well there's a fan theory that cardassians are related to the bajorans
@dredd6696
3 жыл бұрын
I think they also explain it away that she was dodging the medical exam
@lancecampbell4323
3 жыл бұрын
She was such a forgettable character I never noticed
@thecanadianborderguard5215
3 жыл бұрын
@@lancecampbell4323 don't even enjoy the episode where she sets the booby trap that trapped Tom and Tuvok on the holodeck with her hologram? That's pretty memorable
@jwilder47
3 жыл бұрын
The Uhura memory issue is dealt with in Christoper L. Bennett's new book Living Memory. The usual fan theory for why Scotty doesn't remember Kirk's death is that he is still loopy from being stuck in the transporter for 70 odd years.
@Foxxtronix
3 жыл бұрын
The matter is also addressed later in the episode. Nomad didn't so much wipe her memories as access them. This caused her to be unable to access them, though they were still there. Please re-watch the episode, it's a pretty good one!
@heartwings2517
2 жыл бұрын
@@Foxxtronix Yeah, it was like a temporary amnesia.......yup, works for me!
@yearfifty
2 жыл бұрын
Goody for Christopher L. Bennett. I don’t care. This is a TV show, we shouldn’t need a reading assignment (55 years later) to help the story fit together. Neither should we need to go hunting between the lines to fill plot holes, but in this case I think we can: fluence in Swahili came back to her first and readily, perhaps hinting that Nomad’s ‘memory wipe’ explanation was an oversimplification. Everything was still in her pretty head, it had been driven from her consciousness. An intense refresher quickly restored knowledge and memories.
@Foxxtronix
2 жыл бұрын
@@yearfifty That is essentially what Dr. McCoy says later in the episode. I would recommend everyone re-watch it. It's a good episode.
@rjonboy7608
2 жыл бұрын
Unless she was physically damaged the 24th century must have advanced in education and treatment. Relearning skills is much easier than learning them initially.
@bigkkm
3 жыл бұрын
9:45 "Par for the course" as EMH struts out with golf clubs. We see you, Sean!
@funzjag
3 жыл бұрын
Just because Checkov wasn't on the bridge during the first season doesn't mean that he wasn't on the ship. There were 400+ crew members on the Enterprise. Kahn could have encountered him somewhere on the ship other than the bridge.
@Qq-xs1fz
3 жыл бұрын
During his first episodes there are some lines about him being green, suggesting he's a new officer. But he might've interned on the Enterprise before his commission.
@funzjag
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qq-xs1fz Thanks for adding to my suggestion. You're correct, he could have received a promotion by the second season and became a bridge officer.
@TheStarTrekApologist
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qq-xs1fz In my video I cover the Green comment
@subraxas
3 жыл бұрын
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! ! BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
@alphanerd7221
3 жыл бұрын
@@subraxas Nothing proper takes place in the Kelvin Timeline.
@lordlaughypants5889
3 жыл бұрын
Scotty knows that 'death' isn't always final in this universe, especially since 1) it happened to him and 2) Kirk's body was never found. Now, how many people does he think would have had the pull to get an Enterprise back into service? It might have been more wishful thinking than actually believing Kirk was still alive. Bigger question is why didn't McCoy or Spock go looking for him? We definitely know they lived long enough to.
@cassidystarchild7907
3 жыл бұрын
I just think he was senile after spending 80 years stuck in a pattern buffer.
@sonjastarr1364
3 жыл бұрын
I've always assumed that for Scotty the words "Enterprise" and "Kirk" were synonymous anyway. Not fully awake and thinking quickly about other stuff it's just what he would have immediately thought.
@neptuneplaneptune3367
3 жыл бұрын
I find it more questionable how no one knew ther was a bloody Dicon Sphere! It obviously was on route to the colony Scotty wantet to retire too! So how did no one notice it fore over 80 years?!
@matthewsmith3078
3 жыл бұрын
@@cassidystarchild7907 or maybe before that 🤷♂️
@BigTomInTheBasement
3 жыл бұрын
@@neptuneplaneptune3367 Dyson sphere
@johnmatthews8577
3 жыл бұрын
I cant believe they left out "The Next Phase" where La Forge and Ro are able to walk through walls...but don't fall through the floor. That's bothered me since I was a kid.
@ChrisEllorris
3 жыл бұрын
That's just a classic Sci-fi trope!
@RichO1701e
3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the fact how did they breath, air being physical particles, but they kill the Romulan by pushing him thru the bulkhead into space?????????
@Nyg5618
2 жыл бұрын
@Rich O you stole my intended comment.
@rojoeditor
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that bothered me.
@quantisedspace7047
Жыл бұрын
They don't fall through the floor because of the effects of the gravity plating.
@rasheedrashad6831
2 жыл бұрын
As far as number 4 goes I always assumed, as I'm sure many others did, that the Genisus device revived Spock's body as it revived the planet itself
@Joreel
2 жыл бұрын
That's what everyone assumed. If it can teraform a planet, then it could easily reform a body if the DNA was present.
@bobd2659
3 жыл бұрын
Love the "Possible Cardassian lifesigns detected. Followup Yes/NO" ...glad to see that in the future we haven't surpassed 1980's video game questions... ;)
@joermnyc
3 жыл бұрын
Star Trek among us? “Seska is sus.”
@achtsekundenfurz7876
3 жыл бұрын
"Plot hole detected. Abort / Retry / Ignore?" *I* "1 plot hole(s) ignored. Have a nice day Captain."
@andyvast-binder4316
3 жыл бұрын
I just figured Chekov was with the "lower decks" group and Khan memorized the ships manifest
@DelCurtis66
3 жыл бұрын
That's the way the novelization handled it.
@TheStarTrekApologist
3 жыл бұрын
I made a video that talks about this in detail. When Checkov likly came aboard, and where he might have met Khan.
@subraxas
3 жыл бұрын
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! ! BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
@Tinrs80
3 жыл бұрын
Agree with this
@tilarium2
2 жыл бұрын
Basically. He graduated the Academy and was stationed on the Enterprise in early 2267. Space Seed happens in 2267 so he was more likely then not on the ship. It's very probably that Khan had gone over the ships roster before attempting to take it over and saw Chekov in it. It's also possible he ran into him in the dinning facilities or something.
@benwillis5840
3 жыл бұрын
I think Scotty never really believed that Kirk was dead and so, when he heard that the Enterprise had rescued him, his first thought was that it must be Kirk.
@popmonika
3 жыл бұрын
He was so in shock after kirk's death that he had a mental breakdown and made believed Kirk was still alive to deal with his mourning.
@RaptorNX01
2 жыл бұрын
@@popmonika no mental break needed since he had come back from death before, and so had kirk. hell, they had witnessed a brainless spock walking around.
@MultiShriek
2 жыл бұрын
I like that as a tie up in continuity. It is a good call.
@Nyg5618
2 жыл бұрын
I just figured Scotty was a little senile.
@bjorn00000
3 жыл бұрын
With Star Trek III, Sarek does mention that they need Spock's body as well as his katra to be laid to rest. I think the bigger plot hole is - why wouldn't Starfleet know that all Vulcans should be interred in this way?
@generalilbis
3 жыл бұрын
Could be filed under the same reason why something so important to Vulcan biology and psychology as Pon Farr was a big secret to Starfleet during the TOS era: Vulcan are just really sensitive about their more...illogical...cultural elements.
@popmonika
3 жыл бұрын
Also why didn't savek contact starfleet and request for them to send Spock's body??? And... How could Savek know about the genesis planet prior to meeting Kirk if starfleet considered it classified information??
@PanzermansBunker
3 жыл бұрын
Spock's body was so massively irradiated that they had to "bury him at sea".
@bjorn00000
3 жыл бұрын
@@generalilbis Or it's something relatively new? The whole Vulcan Reformation that Archer helped to start might have involved a new focus on spirituality that was lost for centuries.
@DATWagonator
3 жыл бұрын
Very good point, especially considering it was the Vulcans who first made contact with us after the Warp Program success. There is no way we would not know something as simple as their burial practices.
@StudioDaVeed
3 жыл бұрын
Garak's hole card was Odo. Odo 'knew' keeping Garak around would be beneficial.
@matthewsalazar712
3 жыл бұрын
Remember…Kirk went back to retrieve Spock’s body. At one point he even asks Saavik if the Vulcan male she refers to is alive. To which she replies that he is but he is not himself…that he is suffering from rapid aging just like the planet. Therefore, no message to Starfleet was necessary! Kirk was going to bring Spock’s body back to Vulcan along with Spock’s Katra. When Sarak tells Kirk that he must bring them both to Vulcan…he was referring to McCoy and Spock’s Katra. Kirk probably took it literally and went to retrieve Spock’s body! Only AFTER did everyone discover that Spock was in fact alive…did they suggest a refusion!
@RCassinello
3 жыл бұрын
I watched the film the other day and it really stuck out to me "...Was Kirk listening properly? Sarek only wanted the Katra. He wasn't concerned with the body!". But then again, Sarek agrees that bringing them "both" to Vulcan will be difficult but he knows Kirk "will find a way" - surely, that way simply being to shove McCoy onto the next space-bus to Vulcan, just like Sarek? So logically speaking, the scene doesn't play out clearly, but I think by then the audience would be expect to already know that Saavik and David are about to find Spock alive in some form or another.
@hayomoto
3 жыл бұрын
Garak also got 6 months in a holding cell for the crime.
@PaulSmith-fi1vg
3 жыл бұрын
I think that's the going rate for insurrection at the moment
@subraxas
3 жыл бұрын
He got to serve a year or something like that, but got released even earlier (those 6 months or so), because Sisko wanted to use him on some mission. That was not a plot hole AT ALL and they placed it as number one on their list. That, itself, is a "plot hole". :-D
@Rattus-Norvegicus
3 жыл бұрын
@@PaulSmith-fi1vg Lol, it's funny cause it's true.
@KutWrite
2 жыл бұрын
@@PaulSmith-fi1vg Wow! Way to get a laugh AND lash out at the same time!
@nicholasdickens2801
3 жыл бұрын
He met Chekov in a corridor. He bumped into Khan, Chekov “Watch where you are going!” Khan “I never forget a face mr?…” Chekov “My name is Chekov, remember it!” 😂😂😂
@toAdmiller
3 жыл бұрын
When Khan was going through the ship's technical manuals during his time in the sick bay (Space Seed), he also went over ship's personnel files and found Chekov's file/photo and like everything else he learned, committed it to memory...plot hole filled.
@gedalyahreback2133
3 жыл бұрын
The attack on Khitomer that killed Worf's parents was a second battle at Khitomer. You can't infer anything about the first battle.
@Tinrs80
3 жыл бұрын
your right
@RichO1701e
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tinrs80 *you're
@Tinrs80
3 жыл бұрын
@@RichO1701e hmm yep u 💅 💯
@Mrosen7542
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad Zordon didn't help.
@Plush.Hunter
3 жыл бұрын
Scotty not remembering Kirk died could very well be expained with him being so long inside the transporter matrix resulting in memory loss. Iirc his pattern wasn't at 100% at the time anymore.
@alm2187
3 жыл бұрын
So you figure he's just not all there? ;-P
@GrimmShadowsII
3 жыл бұрын
Or just coming out he was disorented and he heard Enterprise and his brain just immediately thought Kirk.
@Vanilla0729
3 жыл бұрын
@@GrimmShadowsII This is the answer I chose to believe.
@joenesvick7043
3 жыл бұрын
Alzheimer's
@christate3523
3 жыл бұрын
He also drinks a LOT
@alexmcintyre8229
3 жыл бұрын
There is the possibility that in the episode “Space Seed” there is the possibility that Chekov was a junior non-bridge officer at the time. As for why Khan was so hostile towards Chekov perhaps Chekov kept Khan waiting too long for the bathroom.
@donnapettalia6627
3 жыл бұрын
I always chose to believe this to fill the plot hole.
@Elwaves2925
3 жыл бұрын
I've just commented the same thing....except for the bathroom bit.
@TheAbstruseOne
3 жыл бұрын
Literally Walter Koenig's explanation at conventions for what happened.
@Elwaves2925
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAbstruseOne Which makes it official, maybe?
@ralterdrake556
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an episode idea for Lower Decks: The Previous Generation
@only1funkmother
2 жыл бұрын
"Elim Garak is easily one of the best characters in all of Star Trek." Definitely agree.
@Joreel
2 жыл бұрын
He was definitely one of the most layered characters.
@antonnym214
3 жыл бұрын
I met Andrew Robinson, and Alexander Siddig at a Trek convention in Marietta GA back around 2000. Andrew and Alexander were super nice and kind and everything you could hope for. Especially Andrew. All good wishes!
@StevenLockey
2 жыл бұрын
On 6, more just Scotty's natural reaction when he hasn't thought about it then a plot hole. On 10, Garak did get a jail sentence for that, Warf even comments on it been overly lenient
@astrosci8864
3 жыл бұрын
Any character that Andrew Robinson plays becomes legendary...including Garek.
@adamlewellen5081
3 жыл бұрын
Checkoff was Garrick????
@garyrobbins283
3 жыл бұрын
Scorpio in Clint Eastwood's 'Dirty Harry'.
@astrosci8864
3 жыл бұрын
@@garyrobbins283 Yeah! Another great character...
@astrosci8864
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamlewellen5081 Walter Koenig played Chekov in TOS.
@charlietoole8707
3 жыл бұрын
sweet Kirsty.. come to Daddy..
@BalzMahoney
3 жыл бұрын
The Doctor tried to examine Seska. He said she keeps missing her appointments and making excuses
@MD_Builds
3 жыл бұрын
with Chekov, i always just assumed he was a crewman at that stage and kahn saw him on the ship.... Unless when they introduced him, they explicitly said he just joined the ship...... I dont know TOS that well D:
@Elwaves2925
3 жыл бұрын
I don't recall an introduction. He was just there on the bridge, I think.
@FreakDaMIghet
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was probably just a Lower Decker when he encountered Khan, then got promoted to bridge crew sometime after.
@TheStarTrekApologist
3 жыл бұрын
His first apperance he said he is not green in a defensive way, but nothing to say he was new. I made a video where I talk about when he likly joined the ship, and where he might have been posted to encounter Khan.
@mikejankowski6321
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheStarTrekApologist He was in the band in the Rec Room.
@leevine2929
3 жыл бұрын
he must have been their when khan came aboard they were on a five year mission where where they getting new people
@SalAveNU
3 жыл бұрын
"Just Ask Captain Janeway" That made me laugh.
@au9parsec
3 жыл бұрын
Just ask GI Jane.
@ErzengelDesLichtes
3 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the tilm makers claim that Chekov simply wasn’t assigned to the bridge yet and had made Khan wait to use the bathroom. 😆
@VonWenk
3 жыл бұрын
I'd never considered that about Seska. One thing that nagged me about Voyager when I was watching is how the aliens who were following Voyager for the first few seasons keep pace with Janeway when they considered a replicator "exotic technology"?
@stevenstocker9873
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't think Spock's body was a plothole, just thought Sarek wanted his sons body back for whatever their burial ritual was. As for Spock's katra I thought sarek would have transferred it to a trained vulcan. But as kirk brought back a rejuvenated Spock's body and his katra, sarek sort to reunite the two.
@popmonika
3 жыл бұрын
The big question is why he didn't go directly to starfleet and request Spock's body... Also, how would (prior to speaking to Kirk) would he have known about the genesis planet if starfleet considered it classified information.
@lightwriterphotographyanda6310
2 жыл бұрын
He is in the loop on classified information because he is an ambassador to Earth and his son's body was left on said "planet forbidden" classified planet.
@olindetroit7636
3 жыл бұрын
1:43 - He's having fun. Many seems to forgot that the storyline for V'ger in STMP was a remake from an episode called The Changeling from TOS.
@robertballasty395
3 жыл бұрын
7: Fallen Friends - I always liked the explanation one novelist used (I think it was Troi in a conversation with Spock post-Generations), namely "Scotty was expressing what he hoped was true." After all, they hadn't found a body after the incident with 1701-B (good thing, too - body bags probably weren't being delivered until next Tuesday).
@brandib2714
3 жыл бұрын
underrated joke...well done.
@yesyesyesyes1600
3 жыл бұрын
so cool 😂🤣👍
@thegray5730
3 жыл бұрын
Khan was reading the tech manuals in sickbay, since he was plotting to take the ship he most likely reviewed the ships personnel. Not a plot hole so much as an incomplete story. Also, Although Chekov does not appear in "Space Seed", "Catspaw"-with the character-has an earlier stardate.
@karridian
3 жыл бұрын
Came to say the same. When the episodes are ordered by Stardate rather than the order they aired, it shows Chekhov was aboard prior to Space Seed. Just means we didn't seem him on screen in the episode, not that he wasn't aboard (where Khan could have encountered him).
@TheStarTrekApologist
3 жыл бұрын
Stardates do not matter I made a video on a paerial solution for the Stardate problem. I conclude the best order is Production order.
@Elwaves2925
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheStarTrekApologist Even if you discount stardates and stick to production order, it's still the most probable reason for them knowing each other. Although, you didn't dispute that bit. :-)
@robertdougherty349
3 жыл бұрын
Nice save. :D
@TheStarTrekApologist
3 жыл бұрын
@@Elwaves2925 I agree with the concept but the correct order gives a clue as to where he came aboard. It is all in my video.
@rayeasom
3 жыл бұрын
In answer to the question on the video thumbnail . The guy looks a lot like Alfred Bester from Babylon 5?
@chrisinnes2128
3 жыл бұрын
They are played by the same actor
@SQWEKERZ
3 жыл бұрын
The entire Seska thing could have been avoided if only Voyager had a Tendi.
@bradfordhatch5085
3 жыл бұрын
Had a *what?* (scratches head in puzzlement)
@PhillipLemmon
3 жыл бұрын
Tendi is a character on the cartoon star trek show called LOWER DECKS. She's an engineer type. Lol
@SQWEKERZ
3 жыл бұрын
@@PhillipLemmon Dammit phil she's a Doctor, not an engineer!
@b.s.864
3 жыл бұрын
@@bradfordhatch5085 Lower Decks character who was recently assigned to hunt down all the crew members aboard who had been dodging their physicals.
@bradfordhatch5085
3 жыл бұрын
@@b.s.864 Seen only Season 1 so far; and that only because I bought the DVD. Don't have the channel LD comes on so I'll have to wait until Season 2 also comes out on DVD. Love that show though. :-)
@deepspire
3 жыл бұрын
In the TOS episode “That Which Survives” the Enterprise was flung clear across the galaxy, Voyager-style, and made it back within HOURS, in time to save the landing party, while achieving warp 14.9.
@ericschreiner4545
3 жыл бұрын
Garak got 6 months in a holding cell for that incident
@JaredLS10
3 жыл бұрын
That's a ridiculously light punishment that even Odo points out. Garak should have been sent to a prison facility similar to the one Edington was sent to. Garak damn near starts a war and his punishment is basically six months in the town jail.
@thegray5730
3 жыл бұрын
@@JaredLS10 Cassidy Yates got a year for smuggling band-aids. LOL!
@kristiankonig3195
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Its not enough, but what i found even more strange is that they always trusted him again after such things (wich is also even adressed in the empok nor episode).
@TheSLUser
3 жыл бұрын
@@kristiankonig3195 in that episode it was not his fault he went nuts, he was affected by a mind altering drug .... mitigating circumstances .... if some one spiked your drink with LSD and you killed some one you would be able to prove it was not your fault
@kristiankonig3195
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSLUser I m just saying, that early in that episode Grak even asks, why everybody trusts him latly ...
@AnEnemySpy456
3 жыл бұрын
Walter Koenig theorized that Chekov was a low ranking officer on the Enterprise during Space Seed who once made Khan wait a long time to use the bathroom, and that's why he remembered him.
@deepspire
3 жыл бұрын
Right, I remember that. And right when Chekov emerges Kahn told him “I never forget a face!”
@jamesmeppler6375
2 жыл бұрын
Just look up the star dates...that alone should END any question about chekov being on board...Khan memorized everything, he saw EVERY person's picture and information if not seeing him in passing, there's plenty of ways Khan knows this. Does no one really like star trek enough to remember how easy it is to check this stuff? That's why things REMAINING canon is so important
@BedsitBob
3 жыл бұрын
In TWOK, when the Enterprise is heading to Regula 1, while travelling at Warp 5, Spock states that they are 12 hours and 43 minutes from Regula, after which they view the Genesis file. Let's assume it takes an hour, to view the recording and discuss it. That would put them at 11 hours and 43 minutes away, when Khan attacks them. After the battle, the Enterprise limps to Regula, on impulse power, which would take weeks, if not months. However, on arrival, Bones states rigor hasn't set into the bodies, which it undoubtedly would've done, after such a long time.
@robh7445
2 жыл бұрын
Movie/tv time never makes sense :)
@Anarchist86ed
3 жыл бұрын
Plot hole: The borg have effective time travel technology, but only ever used it once. This makes them invulnerable to defeat and can simply undo any mistakes they might make and we saw that they can change history to their benefit. Also, the one time they use it they go back to to stop first contact, and, you know, which is irrelevant when you have time travel, but Seven said the borg were present for that. How could she have known when the attempt to change history obviously failed and the cube was destroyed and the sphere was destroyed moments later in the past? The answer is obvious, they just wanted to mention the movie but it makes no sense.
@lordlaughypants5889
3 жыл бұрын
"You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become." -Borg Queen
@KJYKJY1985
3 жыл бұрын
It's even worse than that. In _Timeless_ it's established that the Borg have devices in their brains that let them communicate across time. But somehow Harry Kim is the only one who's ever used it.
@snyderman001
2 жыл бұрын
I loved Garek; he was the ultimate survivor. He always had the best scene stealing lines on screen.
@bryanabbott6169
3 жыл бұрын
Captain Sean Ferrick: "Starfleet, we have engaged some Plot Holes."
@Heymrk
3 жыл бұрын
PHOOOOOOOTOOOOOON TORPEEEEEDOOOOOOO!!!
@ryan2manyfishburgh595
2 жыл бұрын
Good list. You’re off on #4. - they were just looking for Spocks body. - it was an accident finding the Klingons etc. -and they explained seska pretty well.
@theonlymatthew.l
3 жыл бұрын
We don't know Chekov wasn't there. He could have easily been assigned to somewhere on the Enterprise other then the Bridge. Kahn could have run into Chekov somewhere other then the Bridge.
@firetoacat
2 жыл бұрын
My head canon was that Chekov was sick during that time and while out and about somewhere in the ship, bumped into Khan and threw up all over the guy, which would explain why Khan did not forget Chekov's face.
@jamesmeppler6375
2 жыл бұрын
Why don't you know if he was or wasnt there? Are you not really a trek fan and only accept info from KZitemr lol We know he was there, didn't anybody bother finding out what the bloody star dates were for both occasions? Chekov joined sometime before 3018.2 and Khan showed up in 3142.8 Since 3018.2 comes before 3142.8. we know for sure he was there the whole time. It was his first commission, he wasn't getting BRIDGE OFFICER treatment right away and be certainly wasn't going AWOL
@theonlymatthew.l
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmeppler6375 Wow aren't you infantile with the insults. Maybe when you grow up you can make your point without being condescending.... Furthermore, maybe Chekov was on leave, maybe he was on temporary assignment, you actually don't know.
@Steve-L
2 жыл бұрын
I always thought there was a huge error in Star Trek: Voyager. They were trying to get home as fast as possible, yet the Kazon and even Seska was able to come across them. This should have been nearly impossible. Sure Voyager would delay travel for some exploration, but they also traversed dangers and spent much time going as fast as possible. This was my biggest issue with the series.
@chrisdelaney926
2 жыл бұрын
Good comment. Season 1 was all spent in the same system / space'ish area looking for a way home. Some leftover tech from the care taker or another secret array some where. In my opinion they were not ready to commit to a 70 year trip until well in to season 2.
@quantisedspace7047
Жыл бұрын
Yes. The biggest plot hole with Voyager. They should've been out of the Kazons' influence within a few days.
@midniteoyl8913
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Chekov was on the crew when Khan was aboard the Enterprise (see Catspaw) and since Khan read through most, if not all, the tech manuals and crew manifest, he would still recognize Chekov.
@subraxas
3 жыл бұрын
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! ! BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
@greenmonsterprod
3 жыл бұрын
Re: 02:40, this was dealt with in the original script and the James Blish novelization. Nomad didn't completely erase her memory, just her ability to communicate, either by conventional speech or by "the illogic called music". So, they just had to retrain her to read and talk; everything else was still there. It's also possible that, the more she re-learned, the easier it got to re-adjust. Or Nomad, being imperfect itself, messed up the job.
@cjlowe1650
2 жыл бұрын
Also why didn't they know a planet was missing when they met Kahn?
@NerdRahtio
3 жыл бұрын
I still don’t understand how Picard’s end for Data was good. It was a false restart and the B-4 still out there he could still be resurrected so it wasn’t a true end either.
@rustycamper1785
3 жыл бұрын
but data is b4 data was killed when he used his phaser to destroy the enemy ship.
@Croftice1
2 жыл бұрын
Data trully died on board the Scimitar, they used B-4 to restore him, so B-4 isn't out there somewhere, he is "Picard's" Data. And Brent Spinner is done playing Data for eternity, he's also growing old, de-aging him wouldn't work infinitely, so they made a perfect ending for his character in Picard.
@KageAkarui
2 жыл бұрын
On the Kotra point. Kirk didn't know Spock was alive until Savek told him just before David died. Remember that it was a shock to learn that he was alive. Kirk went back to retrieve Spock's body but found out what the Klingons were doing and that they were massively unprepared. Plus they point this out at the end on Vulcan.
@CCGorbie
3 жыл бұрын
#8: It is likely that Chekov was aboard the Enterprise in a lower decks role when Khan took over the ship. He just didn't get promoted to Navigator until later. So he would have seen Khan and might even have interacted with him in some minor way.
@julianaylor4351
3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that too.
@jamesmeppler6375
2 жыл бұрын
Its not only likely, its a certainty that he was aboard the enterprise Chekov first joined the enterprise sometime before 3018.2 and Khan showed up in 3142.8 Since 3018.2 comes before 3142.8. we know for sure he was there the whole time.
@ASH103b
3 жыл бұрын
About Chekov - if you watch the DVD special features, Walter Koenig says that Chekov was in the loo when Khan needed to use it. When Chekov came out, Khan said "I never forget a face...". Problem solved!
@subraxas
3 жыл бұрын
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! ! BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
@dave019222
3 жыл бұрын
I think you missed one major issue here. When Sarak comes to see Kirk Kirk he basically says bring the katra and spcks body to mount saleya only there they will both find peace. he doesn't necessarily know spocks body is alive. it sounds to me like he simply wanted a proper burial, katra and all. it was only after the discovery on Genesis that Sarak decided to commit to the refusion.
@Elwaves2925
3 жыл бұрын
The Chekov/Khan meeting is an easy one. I'm kinda surpised you didn't mention it. Who says Chekov wasn't there? He wasn't serving on the bridge but that doesn't mean he wasn't on the Enterprise. Chekov and Khan could have easily seen each other on the ship, while Khan was there, and given Khan's superior intellect, it wouldn't have taken much for him to memorise the crew. If I recall correctly, he did have access to some info on the ship, while in sickbay. Speculative? Yes. Probable? Also yes. :-)
@DelCurtis66
3 жыл бұрын
The novelization said Khan scanned the personnel manifest. Khan had a photographic memory.
@theblitz9
3 жыл бұрын
@@DelCurtis66 "To Reign in Hell" says that Checkov was in the landing party that went down to the planet with Khan and his cohorts.
@alm2187
3 жыл бұрын
One I never thought about until Okuda put it on the TWOK DVD trivia text track: "We're not sure why a planet would explode. We're not sure why Krypton exploded, either!" :-D
@joermnyc
3 жыл бұрын
Four films later, Praxis go boom
@subraxas
3 жыл бұрын
@@joermnyc Moons are different to planets. :-D :-D
@mikejankowski6321
3 жыл бұрын
@@joermnyc Praxis had a non-natural reason.
@charliemckellips
3 жыл бұрын
Two other plot holes that stick out to me are the Enterprise E in the Dominion War and how Worf ended back up on the Enterprise after being an ambassador.
@kurtsnyder4752
3 жыл бұрын
In universe explanation for Rand's abscence is that she went back to Starfleet for other position training, specifically transporter duty. Rest In Peace GLW. Your Grace and Beauty will not be forgotten.
@ericmorse1273
2 жыл бұрын
The plot hole about Garak never being charge with a crime could probably be said about Quark as well. In one episode Sisko and Kira even explicitly tell Odo to let Quark go--(the episode where Quark was collaborating with weapons dealers0.
@positronichypersonic4928
3 жыл бұрын
Oy! You done goofed, sir! You said Kirk had no reason to go find Spock’s body on Genesis because he didn’t know his body had resurrected, but he did have a reason to. Sarek told him to bring “them both”, McCoy AND Spock, to Mt. Seleya.
@k1productions87
3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the fact that Saavik flat out tells Kirk that Spock is alive. Did they actually watch the movie, or just read a synopsis?
@positronichypersonic4928
3 жыл бұрын
Well yes she does but not before he goes to Genesis. Only once he’s there.
@peachesrambo4037
3 жыл бұрын
Chekhov was a new ensign at the time, doing multiple duties.
@ryanconrad2786
3 жыл бұрын
Scotty's remark about Kirk was meant to be incredulity.... he is saying "tell me another one". Instead, explain how there are human borg in Unimatrix Zero who claim to have been Assimilated at Wolf 359 when that ship was destroyed.
@Nyg5618
2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t the Borg transwarp network explain how they could travel there? If that’s what your asking.
@thetruthisoutthereyt
2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I am stuck in a past where I don’t know anything about what you are speaking when it comes to Data.
@Kipper5168
3 жыл бұрын
So, with the Seska thing, she was a Cardassian infiltration agent. From DS9 we know that the Cardassians used agents like this to infiltrate the Bajoran resistance (who had basic computer tech and possibly access to transporters), and Seska was a Maquis (also had computers and transporters) infiltrator for at least a few years. If the Cardassians hadn't found a way to alter their agents (probably genetically) to hide from computer scans and transporters then the agents would be about as useful as a chocolate hammer. Therefore the fact the doctor had to examine her blood in detail to discover he real identify makes perfect sense, since agents would be useless if they were so easy to identify.
@andrewmurray1550
3 жыл бұрын
so obviously not genetically altered otherwise her blood would indicate her has Bajoran, not Cardassian. I think the disguise was literally skin-deep.
@rojoeditor
2 жыл бұрын
A chocolate hammer? What a great simile!
@jayb8934
3 жыл бұрын
I think that Scotty thinking that Kirk had come to rescue him can be attributed to momentary confusion and disorientation given that the man just been rematerialized after being in a transporter buffer for several decades.
@quinndrakon9468
3 жыл бұрын
I just noticed that building at Khitomer looks a lot like the Command Center on "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers".
@Your-Death
3 жыл бұрын
#7 (3:48) - I just assumed that Scotty never saw Kirk die in Star Trek VI. As he never saw a body, he assumed that Kirk got better between Star Trek VI and Relics.
@dennisjames1792
2 жыл бұрын
I worked for years in Hobby retail ,I find it funny the cameras are made from 2 channel hand sets LOL
@KutWrite
2 жыл бұрын
Entertaining. I now know how long I've been away from StarTrek. I think the most recent character you mentioned that I knew was Khan.
@Atratvs
3 жыл бұрын
In Generations the "D" could only be destroyed because the Klingons were reading die shild's frequency through Geordi's visor. But during a Borg encounter, they set the shilds to have a "fluctuation" frequency. So.. no static frequency that can be read.
@Datazoid
3 жыл бұрын
EC Henry has a pretty compelling theory about Bajorans and Cardassians actually being the same species, so maybe it’s not so difficult to surgically alter a Cardassian and have them be indistinguishable without intense scrutiny.
@ChrisLichowicz
3 жыл бұрын
They are the same species. "Cardassians are the same species as Bajorans the same way the Pah-wraiths are the same species as the Prophets. Dukat had explained that the Pah-wraiths were removed from the celestial temple because they wanted to take a more active role in the events on Bajor." Apr 30, 2019
@ForestTre
2 жыл бұрын
What many people failed to realize about Generations was Kirk was later cloned and brought back to life by the Romulens. This was explained by Shatner in His books. Scotty again knew about this knew Kirk was still alive.
@benjauron5873
Ай бұрын
You said "par for the course" with a clip of the Doctor dressed like a golfer in the background. Clever.
@wsconsn
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk wasn’t trying to bring Spock back to life. He was trying to bring his friends remains back to his home for a proper burial.
@StormsparkPegasus
3 жыл бұрын
Yep...at the time he stole the Enterprise, it wasn't even considered to be a possibility to bring Spock back. The possibility didn't even happen until they were already on Genesis.
@Qq-xs1fz
3 жыл бұрын
Which begs the question why he hadn't thought about possible Vulcan burial rituals before he jettisoned the coffin into space.
@StormsparkPegasus
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qq-xs1fz That's true, that removes ST3's plot hole, but it raises an almost worse one in ST2.
@mikejankowski6321
3 жыл бұрын
@@StormsparkPegasus Saavik should have mentioned the burial matter, UNLESS she thought that Spock's katra was lost in the accident (not having reviewed the recorder).
@wsconsn
3 жыл бұрын
@@mikejankowski6321 the stasis field in the morgue was broken during Kahn’s attack and he would have stunk up the place before they got to Vulcan?
@darkone110
3 жыл бұрын
Just not sure if anyone was aware in the one episode where Worf was fighting with the Garak that there is a blooper in the episode. If you pause this video at exactly 10:52 and look into the tube door behind Worf you will see a work bench and various other stage stuff laying about behind the set lol
@blockmasterscott
3 жыл бұрын
Good catch!
@Robert08010
2 жыл бұрын
Re #6: In one episode there is a bit where Spock addresses a male crew member as Rand. He says "Rand, Take over here!" referring to Sulu's usual console. I have often wondered if that was supposed to be her. She appears later in the episode. And from what I have heard, there were stories that just before she quit, she was showing up late on shooting days. So its possible the script said "Rand" and spock played it as written.
@sevendaggerssix7298
3 жыл бұрын
The Chekov Kahn plot, Kahn had access to the Enterprises computer therefore the crew files. Senior staff displays first then the rest.
@robertshaffer3808
3 жыл бұрын
This isn't a plot hole but ever notice that Camp Khitomer is the Power Rangers command center with a few additions?
@RichO1701e
3 жыл бұрын
And also the Borg HQ with Lore and Hugh in the 2 parter, Descent
@BowieRulez
3 жыл бұрын
He was trying to save his planet from the founders. That’s at least mitigating circumstances. The founders wouldn’t hesitate to annihilate the people on Cardassian if necessary.
@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996
3 жыл бұрын
There are so many writers and so many Trek stories it's almost impossible there wouldn't be the occasional mistake or two. I'm just amazed it doesn't happen more often....
@Rkenton48
3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I have complained about the error between generations and stng, specifically Scotty stating that 'Jim' had sent the enterprise to rescue him. THANK YOU!
@1BigBucks1
3 жыл бұрын
The "par for the course" b-roll 😊
@TheFiddleFaddle
2 жыл бұрын
9:44 Par for the course...well played, sir. Golf clap for you. 👏👏👏
@janjud1828
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning it, I’ve always found the final frontier to be a lot better than acknowledged
@robh7445
2 жыл бұрын
The soundtrack was the only part in STV that I liked.
@rosscharlesmcleod
3 жыл бұрын
Chang didn't destroy the conference from orbit as 1) no one would know it was him, and 2) he needed a "Klingon" the be the assassin to ensure the hostilities would continue. An ass over tit plan for all involved (let's work together to keep fighting), but there you go. My two cents :)
@amkrause2004
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. When doing an assassination you dont kill every tom dick and harry. Just your target. Had Chan bombarded the conference it couldve back fired against the klingons. And also, Kirk and compamy already proved the cloaked klingon ship. So the powers wouldve found out eventually.
@joannixon9892
2 жыл бұрын
Just love these postings. Thank you, YOU are awesome! Keep 'em coming! 😊😊😊🖖
@johnmock4417
3 жыл бұрын
My question about Garak is: why does DS9 even need a tailor? Shouldn't the replicators make anything you want in any size?
@jonasculkins9940
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or if I'm just dumb, but why can't Soren fly a ship into the Nexus? The Nexus had no problem removing Kirk from the Enterprise and when the La'Kul was being rescued, their life signs were phasing in and out, indicating that the plan was working.
@rojoeditor
2 жыл бұрын
Flying a ship into the Nexus destroyed the ship. The only way was to let the Nexus come to you on a planet. Soren made that clear.
@MotoringJournalist
2 жыл бұрын
@@rojoeditor or just float in front of it with a spacesuit?
@davidblakley6806
3 жыл бұрын
as far as scotty not remembering kirks fate, age is not kind to the mind. also being in transporter stasis?
@andrewleblanc9836
3 жыл бұрын
You guys misunderstood the search for Spock plot. They were never returning to genesis to get spocks live body. And garek did get prison time for attacking worf and trying to kill the founders.
@IronMan3582
2 жыл бұрын
To piggyback on number 8, it was address in a novel years later after the film that Chekov was a part of the away team that helped beam Khan down before getting moved to the bridge crew. I know that doesn't "fix things" because it didn't happen on camera, but it satisfies my "head canon"
@alm2187
3 жыл бұрын
2:57 Captain Terrell strikes the Captain Morgan pose! Cool entrance! (Although Black Widow's kid sister would just call him a poser.) One little mystery: how'd he manage that when the transport pad is flat? Did the operator give him a heads-up to put a leg up? Or is there an adjustment that can be made mid-beam?
@GrimmShadowsII
3 жыл бұрын
Transporters have always been inconsistent. I swear I remember there were times they were told they had to be completely still but other times you can see them atleast looking around while materizing.
@Whitpusmc
3 жыл бұрын
Very glad Grace Lee Whitney was brought back.
@jj_1edzep
3 жыл бұрын
I thought they explained Chekov and Kahn away as Pavel already being on the Enterprise at that time, just not bridge crew...
@bufanda
3 жыл бұрын
Kahn knew chekov because chekov was aboard the Enterprise in TOS but not as a officer on the bridge. Meybe he met him in messhall or so but chekov was aboard. ;)
@DelCurtis66
3 жыл бұрын
Khan scanned the personnel records, we see him learning all about the ship before they realize he's a threat.
@ebbderelict
2 жыл бұрын
I thought one was how in the TNG, in one episode, Picard buys a round for everyone in 10-forward... but I thought no one used currency like that anymore.
@KaizerKilborn
2 жыл бұрын
It could be rationing credits used issued to each individual, so the Captain would just go without those niceties for a while.
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