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@TBROWN247
2 ай бұрын
I think baizhu should be on here. Faurina made him meta in the spiral abyss. He have been too 10 in characters pick since she came out.
@crimsonECH1DNA
2 ай бұрын
I mean, it's not that his kit suddenly got better or more appreciated it's just that he uniquely worked really well with Neuvillette who is the single best DPS in the game at the moment.
@matthewsarson6934
2 ай бұрын
But unlike others on this list i am not sure i ever saw anyone, like ever saying he was bad. Just that they didn't feel he was necessary enough to pull for unless you liked him.
@thiefpotato2759
2 ай бұрын
Ehhhh. I wouldnt put Baizhu here. He was already really strong before Furina, hes just one of her best enablers. And I am pretty sure he was already top 10 or barely not it when he came out. People just didnt get him cuz "he has competition".
@LauraJinkins-pi8sv
2 ай бұрын
Nah he was used in aggravate and spread quicken teams with tighnari and was a good companion with yae and fischl
@Sylvastier
2 ай бұрын
Nah, he has too many things going for him that makes him good enough. Was always one of the most solid aggrivate teammates, and fits into Nilou and Cyno's better teams fairly well. Neuvillette and Furina just got to use him best, but he's still a dendro healer/ applier and buffer for all of it's reactions who can use his element off field. He's just in a slight competition with Nahida who nearly everyone owns, so if healing/shielding is needed he's usually in the Nahida slot instead. Unlike most characters in the vid he's always had a clear reason to be use in certain teams while someone like Candace does too many things that don't amount to much, or Diluc who was heavily power crept since all pyro 5*'s have the same role, or Yae who's in direct competition with Fischl and her stupidly good passives/c6 for the same role.
@quillzen3555
2 ай бұрын
I see a theme of if you are a 5 star limited healer you will be hated and forgotten for a few versions when you come out.
@Demigod2NE3
2 ай бұрын
Jean, Kokomi, Baizhu and now Sigewinne
@8lefry8
2 ай бұрын
@@Demigod2NE3it was mostly kokomi, baizhu, and sigewinne.
@woodhidh
2 ай бұрын
Except xianyun
@Demigod2NE3
2 ай бұрын
@8lefry8 true but Jean was truly left behind by so many after 2.0
@nithinkumar007
2 ай бұрын
@@Demigod2NE3I don’t think bhai u lost his meta because he has still high spiral abyss usage rate
@molang.universe
2 ай бұрын
This is why I focus on characters I like rather than meta characters. The meta can always change, and I'd rather have characters I enjoy. My diluc, Venti, and Kaeya have carried me from mondstat to fontaine 😊
@alexking6549
2 ай бұрын
Respect
@Daddy_Of_Haruwu
2 ай бұрын
Yeah man I've my c2 kaeya c3 diluc max as well . I like to use them together in melt combo
@molang.universe
2 ай бұрын
@@Daddy_Of_Haruwu you have constellations? Mine are still c0 XDD
@atriyakoller136
2 ай бұрын
@@molang.universeI recently got C3 Kaeya. I got C1 from standard, C2 was what I magaed to save for, and C3 was a random recent standard pull Diluc is also c3 haha but that's mostly from standard banner and one 50/50 loss. Honestly, not mad when I lose to him 😅 But this all is from 3+ years of pulling 😅
@alabamaslammer3921
2 ай бұрын
I've put sm effort into my c4 kaeya and he's served me well
@lnsflare1
2 ай бұрын
There's also Noelle becoming meta again with her crazy synergy with Furina. Ditto for C6 Dori, who is arguably even better on that front.
@Demigod2NE3
2 ай бұрын
If only Dori infuses any character with Electro not just herself at C6, I might still use her :(
@StProgress340
2 ай бұрын
@@Demigod2NE3 Just make her a Mini Raiden who can heal its enough. Like in TCG. She really useful
@thewrathfulsloth2384
2 ай бұрын
I have a Noel driver team, which is Noel, furina, Ghoru and yun jin they easily hit 45K regular attacks that’s without crit
@SageRuffin
2 ай бұрын
The funny thing about Dori is that, in single-player, she has very limited use cases. But in Co-Op, she's legit one of the best characters since her Burst scales off the number of people on the field.
@frostblitzxdkartoffelliebh6081
2 ай бұрын
Fr; Mona, Dori, Maguu Kenki, is one of my favorite teams on TCG.
@checker7812
2 ай бұрын
I think keqing is also a character who had a big redemption meta wise thanks to dendro, I remember the struggle of being a Keqing main in 1st and 2nd version cycles before her dendro teams became available
@lemonjoyce3018
2 ай бұрын
I still clear abyss with her, she is crazyy
@user-cg1uo2em9s
2 ай бұрын
They buffed electro so well with dendro and Keqing is actually strong compared to other electro characters
@Wuhaboo
2 ай бұрын
I love my keqing believe it or not I use Nuevellett artifacts domain on her with furina bannette and nahida she is lvl 80 with lion roar lvl 80 talents lvl 688 and she does better dmg than my top 1% Raiden 😂😂
@lucasbessa6388
Ай бұрын
she is better, because electro as a whole got a massive buff after sumeru, but other lightning units that were stronger than her before, still outpeforms her by a huge margin(Fishcl and Raiden were already SS and S tier units before and just solidified their positions), and other units trash units found a way to abuse dendro a way better, thus becaming meta units after 3.0 (Yae and Kuki who both got from B and D tiers to S tiers). Kequing were like a C tier before sumeru, and now she is just a B tier, better, but nota revival, like other electro units. Well, it might be unlikely, but i truly think Cetlani(the pink hair lady that appeared on the natlan trailer) is going to be a superconduct related characters, because i just cant believe they created a cryo unit with the colour scheme of electro for no reason. And if Cetlani founds a way to do what Chevrouse did to overload, the units that are going to be able to abuse that the most are going to be:- Razor, Kuki, Fischl and of course Kequing. So maybe swhe is going to get another nice buff, maybe one that puts her on S tier again, like Xianyun has done to diluc
@Kryo_GTS
2 ай бұрын
I got Kuki C6 on her release and was highly pleased with her because she offered exactly what i personally needed at the time, then after Dendro dropped she only got better. Kuki was never a disappointment for me at any point.
@cqwiii
2 ай бұрын
Hopefully there will be a part 2 next year including Sigewinne 💀🙏
@kamoraavayuna7726
2 ай бұрын
No need, she is the moment!
@seyenas
2 ай бұрын
all these examples but if you say this can happen with sigewinne you get jumped by the community lol
@Exhausted905
2 ай бұрын
Honestly I am curious on how/if Sigewinne gets an indirect buff from another unit. If I had to make one, they’ll be a unit whose skill damage is so good they’re an off-field dps like Xiangling cuz while we have had sub-dps like that, there’s never been a dps And the off-feild dps relies on the bond of life mechanic too to synergize with her other passive. I’d imagine it similar to Chlorinde in which the BoL increases whenever they are healed. Their damage increasing depending on how much BoL is gained and how many instances of healing they receive. But idk that’s just the idea I came up w on the spot
@arielmk7612
2 ай бұрын
She's clearly meant to cleanse bonds of life so if we get more bol users who need such an effect she might become more interesting
@atriyakoller136
2 ай бұрын
@@arielmk7612well, any healer can cleanse BoL unless we're talking about Clorinde and Arlecchino 😅 since Clorinde converts healing into BoL and Arlecchino can't be healed
@foodiemin
2 ай бұрын
My team of Diluc, Kaeya, Noelle, and Traveller has saved my bottom so many times. I love making random teams and using ALL the characters I have turn by turn. It is so much fun!! That is why I am thoroughly enjoying the current theatre-event thingy. I have been using that playstyle since I started this game.
@ajstoys260
2 ай бұрын
I think for diluc that's he's kinda different since he was literally meta on release but like ever since other 5 star characters came he just began turning into a character nobody really cared to use anymore but obviously he had his rise again with xianyun who basically made him insanely good. Also I think baizhu should be on this list just saying he's the real "Trash turned to gold"
@Evitzeoshowerthoughts
2 ай бұрын
baizhu was never trash to begin with tbh. The only reason he can be considered trash is if you have nahida and kuki/ zhongli on the same team and not on a 2nd team. He's always been good. It's just nahida kuki and zhongli are great. You basically need baizhu to have a good double electro team that includes kazuha. It's like, either nahida or kazuha in these teams. keqing fischl kazuha is notorius for no healer, yaoyao dendro application scks in multi wave and stops in you're low hp. Now clorinde also has knockback issues. I guess cyno can be brought up since he doesn't function in multiwave without baizhu. Clorinde now has a minor version of this issue too. Like, the only team he's truly not recommended in is dendro main dps like alhaitham or tighnari, because they want nahida. And that's just because nahida is a S tier who centralizes dendro around her.
@jihyoooo6172
2 ай бұрын
He was only meta because his only competition was keqing
@luminous3558
Ай бұрын
1.0 meta was just people not knowing the game. National team was way stronger than any of the 5 stars.
@KategariYami
2 ай бұрын
Miko Mains Rise Up! But for real Miko was never actually bad, nor is or was she ever clunky. People just played EEEQEEE which is the Clunky way to play her, but I'm sure you know as well as I know: that's not how she works. Her EM passive was weird prior to Dendro, true, but even now there's an argument to still run an ATK Sand on her in Aggravate teams, so one could argue nothing has changed too much and she's still hella good. "Oh but just Fischl" - you ever try to play Fischl in the Chevvy Overload teams with a Pyro On Fielder like Father? It's hard to get an Underlying Electro Aura no? Either way, without an underlying Electro Aura, Fischl's DPS falls off a cliff. And depending on what your build is, her DPS falls off a cliff if it's not Aggravate memes. Miko doesn't suffer from any of this. Miko is just super flexible. In bed.
@LauraJinkins-pi8sv
2 ай бұрын
@@KategariYami fischl better
@amandaslough125
2 ай бұрын
@@LauraJinkins-pi8svI basically stopped using Fischl once I got Miko lol. Miko is like the all purpose electro unit. And way easier to build. Only other electro character needed is Kuki lol.
@LauraJinkins-pi8sv
2 ай бұрын
@@amandaslough125yae has split scaling fischl snap shots fischl better
@Gachavslife
2 ай бұрын
@@LauraJinkins-pi8sv why don't you try fischl on overload teams and see how far superior yae is. Don't get me wrong fischl is a very good unit without whom chlorinde will be on life support, but when it comes to spread (not aggravate but spread like tignari or alhaitham) yae is better cause they don't trigger fischl A4 and plus in overload fischl is basically tiny boop damage.
@LauraJinkins-pi8sv
2 ай бұрын
@@Gachavslife fischl is better .
@ShiraFuyu2022
2 ай бұрын
Looking back at Zhongli, i still wish they revamped the Liyue Series weapon. A real shame that Vortex Vanquisher looks amazing on him yet barely contributed. Meanwhile, Khaj Nissut doesn't look good at all for Nilou and it's her best weapon
@KodomoKomodo16
2 ай бұрын
I'm glad they no longer do series weapon. Like every Fontaine character now has a match drip with their weapon and thats much more better like a ton.
@amandaslough125
2 ай бұрын
@@KodomoKomodo16 I wish we got region series still, but they were just added into the weapon banner (or rotated into the Chronicled Wish when they reappears). Because I do like seeing the themed stuff. And the Fontaine series was leaked and was supposed to be all music themed weapons. I want my bird cage catalyst. Overall though I prefer character matching. I hate Kazuha having Jean's sword.
@kevsteez
2 ай бұрын
@@KodomoKomodo16 true. imagine thundering pulse on yoimiya haha TP has very good design but it looks very electro. that's why it looks better for electro char like fischl than yoimiya 🤣
@lesalzman
2 ай бұрын
i honestly like the atk% percent on his weapon because i build him hybrid, similar to my neuvillette (hp, crit, atk). but what would make it even better is if they made the atk shield buff apply to all characters, cause an extra 100% atk buff is wild. however, i guess that might just be too cranked.
@anonymouspotato3584
Ай бұрын
@@kevsteez Ikr!! And how Mistsplitter looks better on Keqing than it does on Ayaka (Keqing can make use of the passive, so it's honestly a good option for her lol)
@TheJH1015
2 ай бұрын
something you missed with Candace is that with the release of Yaoyao, you can now have a Yaoyao-Candace+electro hyperbloom core in which you can use Yaoyao's burst onfield without any downsides
@boiledliddo
Ай бұрын
thanks for pointing this out.
@lnsflare1
2 ай бұрын
I mean, Geo Traveler is a bit clunky to use, but they hit hard, generate a ton of Geo particles, gets buffed by Chiori's weapon, benefitted from the Geo Resonance buff, and gives a slight buff to party Crit Rate with their Burst. Electro Traveler is pretty much a clunkier Electro Xingqiu who focuses on regenerating Energy and works with Beidou's Burst. They probably are still the second or third best general battery in the game behind the Raiden Shogun herself.
@asheclips3784
2 ай бұрын
i joined during albedo’s rerun at the start of sumeru (i can’t remember the exact patch, but i know i specifically joined on albedo’s rerun) and i really wanted to get him. i didn’t, and i was really sad. i saved up for like three to four months for his rerun, and when the chronicled wish banner was announced, I knew who I was pulling for. I got him within my first 40 pulls. After that, I went for chiori’s weapon. i got two red horns, but i didn’t give up and i got a copy of the sword. my albedo is now on a team with navia. his skill tick hits for around 26k every time. he was max ascended immediately after i got him, as well as getting a crown. i don’t care if chiori’s “better”. albedo has been my favorite character ever since i saw him. and with enough time and effort, he’s now become one of my best units on my account. in short, fuck the meta - i play who i want.
@thatisdepressing
Ай бұрын
This is the mindset everyone should have! Your comment is how I feel about Barbara. She's a free four star who's easily replaceable with other units like Kokomi, Baizhu, or even Yao Yao. But the moment we met her in the Mondstadt AQ, I knew she'd become my favorite. And she did :) She's never left my team since AR18 and I've invested so much into her that she's actually hit higher than some of my DPS characters 😌
@asheclips3784
21 күн бұрын
@@thatisdepressing so what do we say to those who flame people for using certain units? FUCK👏THE👏META👏 play who you want! you want to play barbara? go for it! you want to build kokomi as a crit DPS? all power to ya! want to build physical DPS amber? fuck it- i’ll happily farm pale flame with you! genshin is in no way a competitive game. it’s made specifically so that you can enjoy it in WHATEVER way you want! there are millions of ways you can play it and every single one is good! (unless it’s actually like- illegal or immoral. don’t be weirdos.) this is precisely why i fell in love with the game - it allows the player to choose what’s best for them. i LOVE watching videos of wacky challenges, like weapon only, or beating the game using one character. or cwack’s stupid builds that somehow still slap, despite them being the polar opposite of how the unit is supposed to be played. THAT is what makes the better part of this community. creative people who aren’t afraid to do what they find fun and interesting
@alfredxsiv
2 ай бұрын
1:55 pre-buff zhongli also didn't spawn a pillar if you used his hold skill, meaning he literally have zero particle generation similar to Qiqi unless you do a weird tapE->other stuff->holdE rotation.
@usmanya5110
2 ай бұрын
i wonder if dehya can count as she finally now has teams where she can work decently now on teams that don't use NAs and one's she's actually amazing(Neuvillette Hyperbloom.). her kit still stinks though.
@usmanya5110
2 ай бұрын
@tokyo-sz4zd ngl Chevy teams feel like a team where dehya could fully utilize her kit.
@amandaslough125
2 ай бұрын
@@usmanya5110Chev, Dehya, Raiden, Fischl is probably one of the strongest, yet comfiest teams I've ever seen.
@yvindvego9404
Ай бұрын
dehya became a meta pick for underwater teams. if she use ocean clam set and the bell then she is basically an unkillable dps.
@neoinfinity5204
2 ай бұрын
This is why favorite character is always over meta value, Koko is my favorite hydro I ignored the dumb hate on her lacking damage then later greatly enjoyed her character development arc through both events and Sumeru release.
@powwowken2760
2 ай бұрын
Candace actually makes me angry... Her entire kit revolves around buffing normal attacks which requires her to stack pure HP to get the most out of. Okay fine, right? Except her Talents ONLY buff her damage multipliers, so a 1/1/1 Candace can fill her primary role just as well as a 10/10/10 triple crowned Candace and if that's not a perfect example of terrible kit design then I honestly don't know what is.
@RoyalTfrii
2 ай бұрын
Kinda similar to how gorou feels like to build since him being a def buffer yet doesn't scale of of def besides his c4 for healing but at least he's still good in his teams
@TheJH1015
2 ай бұрын
except that her burst talent levels increase the actual BUFFS you give to your other teammates, so no
@dreadfulman5191
2 ай бұрын
Terrible complaint. Kit wise you are getting a complete character for cheap. You don't need to spend more to make them good. An uninvested character providing the same performance when invested is a good thing. Chevreuse is the same. None of her active talents matter for her buffs. Yet she's one of the best for her niche. Also most such characters provide buffs linked to trash artifacts such as HP or Def, making them super easy to build as well. So it's not a matter of if you can upgrade the buff or not, which would be nice sure, but the main issue is how good the base buff is to begin with. Candace's buffs are not that great while Chevreuse shows how it's done properly. But at the end of the day both characters are very niche so it doesn't matter anyway
@NOWNVATTU
2 ай бұрын
It's literally Chevreuse that just stack HP 1/1/1 with Electro Pyro she is not bad design she's fine just er HP if u wanna build support which u already do
@NOWNVATTU
2 ай бұрын
And somehow Candace is bad design while Chevreuse isn't? Both literally have the same premise lvl 90 er HP and whatever team that works for them
@abrobaS_
16 күн бұрын
I remember that when Kazuha went out I tried so much and got him, but my friends started saying I threw my account in the trash by getting him bc he was the worst 5 star in the end I made him my strongest DPS and buffer character and those friends are suffering trying to get him now that he is one of the most valuable 5 stars in the game
@levi3248
2 ай бұрын
Childe too. He was downplayed on release because of cooldown and relatively lower damage but after Kazuha and Polar star released, people realized the potential with Xiangling and one of the strongest speedrun teams was made (International)
@ryzell7749
2 ай бұрын
Childe was downplayed in release but the funny thing is his best team was already available during his release. He really hasn't gotten a better team since. Kazuha does feel better in practice but the sucrose variant does out damage it, it's just more restrictive as you have to guoba swirl.
@trexkiro9200
2 ай бұрын
he is baddddd
@levi3248
2 ай бұрын
@@ryzell7749 true, this was the era when Qiqi was S tier and Bennett was B tier lmao people didn’t know what they were doing. Also Sucrose doesn’t really group well so Kazuha is just way easier but yeah, Sucrose’s EM sharing does help a lot (and TTDS)
@PenguinsAreColdish
Ай бұрын
@@trexkiro9200 childe internat guaranteed clears faster than the best team on your account
@pepita2437
2 ай бұрын
I'm vert glad I built my Thoma when he came out, because I love playing burgeon, and overload. He cn even be used as an emergency shielder too. :) Now I'm waiting for Kaveh's redemption story, since I built, and main him.
@AzureRook
2 ай бұрын
a lot of healers are much more integral in Furina teams, Jean in particular is my personal favorite
@ash-2650
2 ай бұрын
Moral of the story..... Everything is changed when Dendero nation attacked. Also you missed keqing my friend. I would rather put Keqing instead of Albedo in this list.
@AmoritaStorre
2 ай бұрын
I feel like Kaveh got much better. Nobody piled on him because the Genshin community is usually way more upset about ladies being useless in combat. So all Kaveh got was comments about his butt in the trailer, and the conversation moved on. I waited for him and wanted to play him. Got C6 on realease. And he felt so bad😂 There was no reason to use him over Alhaitham whatsoever. But with Furina, he finally feels great in Nilou bloom. His self-sustain is clutch there. Also, he's the only claymore option for superbloom, which helps whenever there are shields in the Abyss.
@The-hamster2471
2 ай бұрын
I know you said I didn’t want to hear about burgeon. But ima talk about it anyways. Burgeon and hyperbloom actually have the same single target damage. But it’s easier to make lots of hyperbloom because spread and aggravate can be removed easily. Burning on the other hand is a lot harder to remove so you get less cores. In the right team burgeon can perform way better than hyperbloom. (Quick bloom doesn’t count)
@xvgarnet
2 ай бұрын
When I started playing genshin, I didn't understand the bennet hype. Now I wish I had 2 bennets to use on my 2 abyss teams lol.
@Iyon1.0
Ай бұрын
i dont even use him you can take mine
@frapiichino
2 ай бұрын
Something to add with Kokomi. Rifthounds. The shred through shields and cause bleed to your entire team, losing rapid HP. So shields were useless, the only other healers weren't helpful since most heal the character in field, not the full team. But with Kokomi, that wasn't something to worry about.
@omegaschatterbox8366
7 күн бұрын
i actually love candace with gaming, having her infusion during his ult to trigger vaporize between jumps is amazing
@speedmark6210
2 ай бұрын
I didn't have any hydro characters besides Xingqiu (& Barbra). When I got Candace, I started maining her & till this day she's still my main Hydro Dps💙 I'll never replace her!
@absorb545
2 ай бұрын
The community always has a vendetta against healer characters. I honestly wish they can shut their mouth with hating on healers, they're good in their own way
@amandaslough125
2 ай бұрын
It's true for all games really.
@VrtielA6300
Ай бұрын
Totally the worst truths from them for hating Healers/Shielders only just about damages.
@luminous3558
Ай бұрын
Its because healing isnt really that needed. Even the worst healer can sustain a team with a proper build so a 5* being just good at healing doesnt sell. Like Baizhu isnt that much better than yaoyao so instead of pulling a minor upgrade people opt to pull a whole new sub dps for their team or a character to massively improve their 2nd abyss team.
@ShevaAlpha2002
29 күн бұрын
It's always funny to see Genshin's fandom drama of hating healer/shielder characters!
@justrad7637
2 ай бұрын
candace unlike yunjin doesnt have trigger quota , so her buff stays no matter what , meaning she is a lot better against groups of enemies even at c0
@stardusterplays
2 ай бұрын
13:44 diluc with xinyuan does most dmg per sec in the game 😂 it's above 200k per sec and hutao is 95k dps , even though with out xinyuan diluc does 85kdps
@jamahldavis5078
5 күн бұрын
I like diluc more than hutao but I don’t think this is true even tho diluc does do about 200k per plunge of u take hutao in the same team she can charge attk for about 100k and then plunge for 150-200k as well sadly still making her better😭
@ciroidchavez246
2 ай бұрын
Traveler got his comeback on his Dendro element BUT still got trashed again cuz of his Hydro element 😂 I hope we can get a comeback again on his Pyro element when natlan arrives though
@MegaHuntress
Ай бұрын
To be fair, Traveler has allways been "kinda mid" allthrought the game. Anemo and Geo traveler was actually not bad back in the days of 1.0 and 2.0 as at the time there were less options and can still do fine work to this day. But playing them is clunky compared to more modern teams Electro was, and still is to this day one of the best generic battery characters there is. But adds very little otherwise and so there is usually better options. Dendro was the most powerful one so far, so no need to mention that again. And because of that hydro got the short end of the stick becose they were probably afraid of making another "good" traveler. Hydro is probably the only one I would say is straight bad because they got basically no redeming qualities other then generating sorcewater droplets which is... yeah. Also the free cons have always made them very valuable for people not spending money. But the fact you need to invest in every forms talents individually kinda sucks.
@luminous3558
Ай бұрын
Pyro traveler can use the support natlan set so they are likely a very strong buffer regardless of anything written in their kit. Any form of offfield pyro app would make them very good. If their app icd is bad they could still be a more offensive burgeon thoma. Tragedy would be if they make them an onfield carry with bad numbers.
@SunnyHikikOmori
2 ай бұрын
Xianyun made me appreciate Diluc, and ever since i pulled C6 Furina, i got C2 Diluc and had leftover gensis crystals to buy his drippy skin! Now Diluc is in my top 2-3 favorite standard characters, and i really want to get Wolfs Gravestone for him.. i'd be willing to pull for his weapon in the chronicled wish at this point.
@snoyuu046
15 күн бұрын
Got this recommendted today and I’m instantly hooked, great video !
@Syntnasia
2 ай бұрын
I absolutely LOVED both Kokomi and Kuki on release. They both did exactly what I needed them to do. Kokomi did and still does it all. She can heal, she can tank, she can be an off field hydro applicator or an on field driver and she can work with both an HP or EM build and this was all even BEFORE Ocean Hued or Dendro. Kuki was and still is one of the best users of Tenacity. I've used her with both a full HP build and a full EM build and have had great success with both. Im probably the only one who thinks this and if so thats fine but I feel as though a lot of Genshin players (not all) dont allow support units to keep their support identities and end up turning them or wanting them to be extra sub-dps. Its okay if they arent the ones putting out the big PP numbers imo. They can also be there just to support the actual DPS and sub DPS.
@tgr_thegrimmreaper
2 ай бұрын
Jean? Early on she was highly valued as she was an ATK scaling healer w CC which was extremely valuable early on and lost relevance after the rise of Bennett and introduction of comfort healers like Yaoyao, Kokomi, Baizhu and Shinobu, and regained her relevance after the release of Furina
@ryzell7749
2 ай бұрын
I would add Dehya and C6 Dori to this list. With The addition of Furina and Xianyun for Dehya specifically, they both now have teams that reach over 60k+ team dps which is the current standard for what most consider a good team. Dehya for the same reasons as Diluc although I would argue she got the larger power increase. She can double vape her plunge and e and enables the team to have resistance to interruption and better survivability. This is one thing she has over the Diluc in the plunge team although she does require C6 Bennet while Diluc does not but C6 Bennet is still his BiS 3rd support. Dori is also now viable thanks to her fulfilling the role of an on Field dps and healer similar to Noelle in a Furina team. She does require her C6 but this places her at the top of the 4* carries with the likes of Noelle and Gaming and alongside some of the more average to above average 5* carries like Ayato Keqing Navia. Her best team would be Furina Nahida Fischl for Quickbloom.
@KodomoKomodo16
2 ай бұрын
Manifesting Dehya got buff in Natlan.
@bruhhh2660
2 ай бұрын
Dilic got the major buff,bcz xianyun and furina made him a beast at c0.Cant say the same for dehya
@amandaslough125
2 ай бұрын
@@bruhhh2660Diluc was never considered bad. Just fallen off. And all claymore units are good with Xianyun. Diluc is just considered the best because it has the highest base plunge damage.
@ryzell7749
2 ай бұрын
@@bruhhh2660watch call of Bzerq guide on plunge Dehya so you'll understand her pros over diluc. They deal similar amounts of damage and compared to her previous best mono pyro team, its a decent upgrade.
@persephonehades7547
2 ай бұрын
I still sing the praises of dual carry Raiden-Dehya in a Chevreuse team. I stand by the state of mind that Dehya was 100% made for that team specifically. Her ER needs go down to something like 120-140%, which lets her use her signature set or Marechaussee Hunters even at no to low cons, her damage reduction at the start of the rotation often let me use Chevy at level 20 tank attacks in the abyss in the beginning, Raiden buffs her burst, Chevy buffs her everything, Bennett is Bennett, and all of them can be at C0 (you don't make full use of C6 Chevy most of the time). I've seen plunge Dehya with Xianyun, I've seen Dehya-Furina (and played it) before, but Chevy overload with her and Raiden just aligns way too well for everyone's cooldowns and ER. My lowest investment team that absolutely kicked ass in the abyss and now in the theater too.
@Brianuuuu
15 күн бұрын
One of the things that ticked me off for Yae was how there were hints of her having a completely different kit from release, like how usually a character has their own go-to artifact set that matches their kit and aesthetic(Think Raiden with Emblem), and clearly Shimenawa was designed with Yae Miko in mind but it doesnt match her kit
@x4E5t
Ай бұрын
Your voice and editing are so soothing - I just subbed 🫶🏻
@chorusalonso8834
Ай бұрын
Back when wriothesley came out, I accidentally got Dori c6 and she’s now become somewhat of an okay subdps who restores energy and heals… A LOT! It’s really opened up an interest for me in building less popular characters and seeing their true potential shine is so satisfying 😌
@myquest1856
2 ай бұрын
Your voice is calming it feels like i m watching an ASMR ❤
@Demoniccandidate
2 ай бұрын
I really still can't believe Benny was consider c tier back than
@Rayne-ih5yf
2 ай бұрын
Now we have siggewinne I can't really imagine how they'll manage to fix her but I'm holding out hope
@jaredcullum117
18 күн бұрын
Burgeon is a really powerful reaction, even if you're just using it by accident like I often do.
@shawnjames5481
2 ай бұрын
We should also talk about how Furina single-handed buffed healers like Baizhu, Jean, Barbara and even Qiqi
@toohopeful160
Ай бұрын
I'd say Klee is a character that got buffed quite a bit, even if she isn't quite meta. Much like Touma, dendro was a blessing for her because she's really good for burgeon teams, but her biggest buff is probably Furina. Like, yeah, Furina improved a lot of characters, but I feel like with Klee the improvement is more substantial. Furina buffs Klee really well, and also she can arguably replace Xiangling in the currently popular Bennett-Furina-Xiangling core, thus giving you an option for a flex spot like Kazuha/Venti, an extra hydro unit for better vapes, or maybe even a healer or shielder for extra comfort, especially since Klee's biggest weakness is her squishyness. Even the burgeon teams improve with Furina as hydro app, it just locks you into using Baizhu/Yaoyao as a 4th slot so you have more dendro application AND healing, especially if you don't have Nahida. Also, like many DPS characters, Klee definitely benefits from the Marechaussee Hunter set, especially if paired with Furina. Basically, she's not Hu Tao or Arlecchino, but she's much more viable than people give her credit for. Also I believe in the Emilie burn meta speculations until proven otherwise, which sounds like another team type Klee would slot into perfectly, given she can definitely do consistent burning if you have enough dendro application to support it, but we'll have to wait until Emilie actually comes out for that.
@sres4
2 ай бұрын
Honestly I loved Chiori’s design but I already had Albedo so I didn’t even bother pulling, even if she did powercreep him, he’s a great unit regardless, and I love his character. I even got his signature an he pairs fine with my Navia.
@ilikenewmeta9717
2 ай бұрын
And the fact that Klee, Xiao and Razor isnt here They all are pretty decent now, with Klee having so much pyro application for Furina to vapourise and Razor being a pretty good Burgeon, Hyperbloom, Overload Driver with C6 Bennett, Xingqiu and either Nahida or Dendro traveller. And Xiao is literally the best anemo carry by far and is able to clear basically all content with Xianyun, Furina and Faruzan
@milkshake9970
2 ай бұрын
I used Candace for freeze teams and now for furina plunge!!!
@avej99
2 ай бұрын
I would say cyno deserves a spot on this list
@hunterwolfe669
2 ай бұрын
Cyno hasnt rly changed much. He has more flexible teams yeah but he was never bag to begin with, he just was never meta defining or exceptional
@giongo924
Ай бұрын
Bennett shouldn’t be here. The thing about him being regarded as “trash” in 1.0 is just a misconception, it was just a single tier list from a website and even then it only lasted like … 3 weeks? It’s not true that he takes high investment..he only needs a level 90 weapon and level 90..you can just level up one talent (burst) and you are done.
@kylerajnoor8121
2 ай бұрын
Also, Festering Desire was released even earlier than Cinnabar Spindle and is pretty good for Albedo too :3
@fudgeugaming7341
2 ай бұрын
It's funny seeing these casue 3 characters always make the list Yae, Kokomi and Kuki. 3 characters I love and team them up all the time 😅
@soos.mpvier3187
2 ай бұрын
Albedo got another boost in use case with the release of navia. Due to the differences of geo application between chiori and albedo as well as chioris second doll being locked behind C1, albedo is much better fit in a navia team. I think the next boost for albedo will be a navia pyro support that has a burst like ganyu, ayato and the likes.
@orian1642
24 күн бұрын
You know, funny story but I always think in a discussion like this, Kazuha needs to get mentioned. He's such a staple nowadays it's hard to imagine him being hated on but that's what happened back in 1.6 when he first released- he got called the "expensive Sucrose" and the fact that he could only buff four elements disappointed some players. Couple that with the ever present bad timing of him releasing the patch before the highly anticipated Ayaka and you get a character that not many people pulled on. And then time happened- after the community sat down and actually experimented with him, it quickly became obvious that his elemental dmg buff (equivalent to a second goblet artifact at high investment) and ability to use the VV artifact set coupled with his crowd control and solid personal damage due to decent multipliers and the newly buffed swirl reaction made him an insanely valuable teammate to have. I cannot overstate the amount of anticipation for his rerun in 2.8. That was one wild ride to witness happen in real time.
@dazzle810
2 ай бұрын
I was so lucky neuv was meta i just loved his character and design as a lot of people i pull are not really meta such as sigewinne same for kokomi at first
@minefish
Ай бұрын
I feel like people forget that Kazuha was hated on release
@yvindvego9404
Ай бұрын
i would add these characters too: noelle became a decent geo dps with furina. dehya became meta in underwater teams. the bell also becomes her best weapon underwater. she can also be good to explore the snowy mountain with, due to being pyro and having self heal. she also became usable as interruption resist in neuvillette team. qiqi became decent/good in clorinde team.
@nfs5951
Ай бұрын
Diluc was the reason I started playing Genshin. And I was lucky enough to got him after I just started playing, and he's still now in my team with his WG and his new outfit. Yes, I've spent money for him and I'm really glad I did it. My Pyro King❤
@Justmyselfyt
2 ай бұрын
I really hope Sigewinne will be on here I have both Kokomi and Sigewinne but whit the abyss and Imaginarium Theater I have to have 2 healers
@DevilboyBanjo
Ай бұрын
Never regretted pulling Kokomi. Pain off.
@janniko6681
2 ай бұрын
a few notes on kokomi, i don't know if it's prior to ocean clam set but it's definitely before dendro, the players discovered that kokomi is the best off-field aoe hydro applicator for ayaka freeze team that can use the millelith set. That's why she shot up to another level of meta status when dendro was released because people already know of her hydro application capabilities
@PorcelainGeostructure
2 ай бұрын
this is gonna add sigewinne in the next three versions
@Iyon1.0
Ай бұрын
its not cuz she's not good in anything except furina teams but there are still better healers for her if you're talking about C0, i use her c2 in c6 furina kazuha klee
@ferror_
2 ай бұрын
Only sad part for me was that the time when I started playing, I always wanted a Diluc. And when I lose a 50/50, I wished that it was a Diluc. Diluc never came home 😭
@alphanightfury1416
2 ай бұрын
Dehya and cyno are actually kinda useable now with the introduction of furina
@clgillit1125
2 ай бұрын
Update on the Thoma comeback He’s also really great with chevruse overload teams clorinde Thoma yae and Chevy are fun for me lol
@fleeing_life
2 ай бұрын
kuki carried me so hard through the mid-game (like, AR45 onward)!! I got her on her release banner, and the moment I realized that she gave me almost constant healing, she hardly ever left my team. I FINALLY got her c1, and I built a hyperbloom team around her when dendro came out ( I used to play her with my mismatched ningguang team....)
@HUMBOLDTSQUID0308
Ай бұрын
kokomi's leaked pre released kit is what got everyone excited, she had the potential to serve as a great sub dps since she wasnt split scaling initially, but they ended up nerfing her + tacked on the crit rate debuff
@nightcorechords5705
9 күн бұрын
I love Yae but one thing that bothers me about her is that 90 burst cost. In Raiden's case, it is fine because Raiden is a character that is based on energy recharge and you'll get that ER easily but in Yae's case, it feels kinda unreasonable...
@nnoahg9645
2 ай бұрын
This is why I love the new endgame Imaginarium Theatre. I love being incentivize for not neglecting any characters! An actual good player knows how to appreciate each character to their best capabilities imo. Regardless of meta.
@krokulridgestalker7007
2 ай бұрын
When Candace came out I was determined to get her to work and I'm still to this day devastated that my vaporise/burgeon team with Diluc didn't work because her hydro infusion overwrote Diluc's pyro infusion. I then quickly gave up on her.
@rimurutempest8358
11 күн бұрын
kokomi was never bad at release. she was not only the best healer but also the best hydro applier.
@testmode1751
2 ай бұрын
Yae miko was also dubbed as 5☆ fischl that cant snapshot
@thebadman5817
Ай бұрын
Wasn't Kuki's biggest use as a Tenacity of the mililith holder and super conductor for Eula? Before Dendro I mean
@dasnymth
2 ай бұрын
before dendro i loved playing kuki in overloaded team it was so funny, i built her for the EM, so when dendro came about it was such a fun upgrade and made me so happy i loved her from the start. kokomi also came out on my birthday and i was super excited when she was originally mimi, knowing i wanted her from the november 2020 leaks!!
@LauraJinkins-pi8sv
2 ай бұрын
Some of the picks are questionable specifically kokomi and baizhu. Since all were good on release but were doom posted ) since Theory crafters knew kokomi was good and baizhu was never bad? I mean he was one of the best options in aggravate
@clericneokun
2 ай бұрын
The only reason I pulled Yae last year, back when I was just starting Genshin, was because the thought of pressing E 3 times and watching stuff blow up while I was AFK sounded hilarious to me. This choice led to me getting introduced to hyperbloom but, while she was competent at it, her kit made it somewhat difficult to trigger seeds. This meant that, for the longest time, I always wished I had Kuki instead. Now that I have both units and significantly better artifacts, I have only recently realized that Yae's biggest advantage over Kuki is her natural conversion of EM to ATK. Paired with a weapon like Wandering Evenstar which also has the same trait, I could build Yae with a hybrid optimization on both Atk/Crit and EM. Not only can she trigger highly damaging hyperblooms given a bit of on-field mechanical skill, her personal damage from aggravates gives a significantly huge bump up to the team's overall damage ceiling (i.e. faster clears compared to a pure hyperbloom team with Kuki).
@KamisatoKota
2 ай бұрын
yeee a new video finalyy
@JazzGal13
2 ай бұрын
@xRecycleARV
27 күн бұрын
3:33 bruh me on the other hand: my Yae Miko burst doing 100k (1x) then 133k(3x) literally totaling at 500k (NO DENDRO REACTIONS)
@ItsyourAL
2 ай бұрын
I still remember when I pulled Kokomi at 33 pity and Yae at 43 pity, my friend said that they were both completely useless not until the dendro reactions came in and got pretty lucky winning my 50/50 on Nahida at 76 pity. And now that I won my 50/50 to Furina at 80 pity, I use these 4 to clear the spiral abbys.
@Someone_was_here123
2 ай бұрын
ATTENTION EVERYONE JAZZGAL HAS UPLOADED ❤
@JazzGal13
2 ай бұрын
@SnorLagz
2 ай бұрын
THE VIEWS ARE AMAZING THE RISE OF JAZZGAL
@bongjutsu3489
Ай бұрын
Some minor missing info kuki on release besides in taser teams was also used in raiden teams as both a healer and as a particle battery for raiden using a flav sword. Agreed it was not her best use case but it did show up.
@ToastySNXZ
24 күн бұрын
Honorable mention should be healers. Off-field or on-field, Furina reshaped the condition for every healing characters right after her release. Playing Noelle has never been more satisfying and made all my efforts wasted to maximize the maid queen more valid because of Furina. Alongside the Marachausse set, healers have become more prominent in a lot of genshin meta teams right after bloom, so much so as replacing a few shielders in some teams.
@renzallen8251
2 ай бұрын
When yae miko was leaked and released she was heavily dunked on. Even fischl was better. I personally hoped she was going to be a dps sword that took advantage of shimenawa. Turns out nope. However at the time I had a hunch that she would become one of the best electro out there because dendro had not existed. So I went to town on c6-ing her. The catharsis I felt when I saw and heard the same people dunk on her ooze praise and interest in pulling for her come out from their mouth is beyond elation 💀. I cared about the meta at the time though now I choose whoever I just like.
@dozydreamstarot
Ай бұрын
Not to mention with Zhongli when you put up a shield, it did not simultaneously add a pillar. At launch to make use of his pillars you had to set that up first and then wait for cool down and then set up the shield. If you did it reverse then you'd have to wait the entire shield cooldown duration just to put up a pillar and by then the shield's duration ran out so it made it effectively useless to make use of both things. Tenacity of the Millelith and Zhongli's buff completely altered him as a character and it was heavily warranted.
@andreprades52
2 ай бұрын
When I saw Diluc in 4.4 lantern rite program featuring Xianyun I've never been more sure to say "I need her". I mained Diluc for years and I went from regular 70K vapes now each plunge deals 150-200K damage andso easy to perform too.
@chemuhammadhussain4915
17 күн бұрын
Thoma is a must in my melt team especially using wrio.
@user-dj7ly1ej1m
Ай бұрын
I'm surprised Kazuha wasn't mentioned
@gloomy6379
2 ай бұрын
The thing about Zhongli that you forgot to mention is that he wasn't bad, just average. However, the Chinese player base complained because he is supposed to represent China, and netizens in China are notorious for complaining. As a result, Hoyoverse made him overpowered, and now the shielding in Genshin Impact is unbalanced because of him. Every other shielder is rendered useless in comparison.
@TeaBagOfChaos
2 ай бұрын
I remember being so happy when Kuki released because `I specifically wanted an Electro healer
@skygoomysteatime3967
Ай бұрын
People should play Candace like a dps...her kit revolves around her being on field. I use Kuki, Kirara, Mona and Candace BOOOOOOM, she did quite good dmg.
@randyjr.arsenio5624
2 ай бұрын
Correction: Kuki Shinobu wasnt awful on release. Just that people didnt know how to use her. Even before Dendro Kuki consolodated Healing and electro application roles for my team with a full EM build (again, before Dendro) allowing me to run Ayato Tazer - a team that to this day I still run whenever I run out of Dendro characters for my new staple -- Ayato:Hyperbloom.
@--Soukoku--
Ай бұрын
Dendro is literally everyones savior at this point
@Magician-Pianist
2 ай бұрын
With Candace I mean, I know she just buffs normal attacks abd Fremi is a Elemental Skill unit... but it was hella fun with her Fischl and Dori, just testing out. Never came to mind Candace and Arlecchino
@rexw2
Ай бұрын
I was a Zhongli simp the moment he got introduced in the story. He's like the story-reading dad we never had. Imagine my surprise when he was triple buffed
@x3AnimeFanXD
Ай бұрын
BUT Candace relies on C6 to be able to work with Arlecchino. It was a big disappointment when I found out because I have her at C5 so yeah when I tried out the team I was surprised by the nothingness xD
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