gun nut-thanks again for your questions. My smooth deer barrel has no removable choke tubes - it is fixed at cylinder bore (no choke). The rifled barrel has no choke (rifled barrels are intended for slugs and chokes are for shot charges). But the barrels mike at .710 so that is what I have to work with. The wooden dowel test works for any barrel - we want wad-slug combos to to through with push tension - gives best accuracy and no overpressure from the wad-slug. Best regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut-Thanks for your questions-That's what we all run into when we are working up loads for our slugs. If your crimp won't close or if your crimps start popping open on their own with storage, means your load column is too long for that hull. The Win gray 12 ga wad is like the one you mention. Solution: reduce powder charge; get a wad with shorter collapse section; use shorter slug (like Lee 7/8); go to Rem STS hull (hair more internal space) If crimp is collapsed-load column to short.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut-good question as usual-if you look at the video Why cast lead Ingots..?one of the points was that we can control the hardness of our lead. If we soften the WWs by overcooking and skimming - we make ingots and test the hardness-if dent to fingernail-make slugs or cast cowboy - The reason factory slugs have "rifling" is not to spin slug, but to reduce bearing surface in case someone does shoot through a full choke by accident. Also reason Lee slugs have front to back taper, less bearing.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut- Questions are always welcome...That's why we post...if the information can help others, that's "What's It All About, Alfie?" Thanks for the questions and the good word...Best regards
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Larry-The BP is a whole other topic. Never got into Frontier or Frontiersman. BP never appealed to me with all that smoke and crud. But I like seeing others do it. I'll just stick to my smokeless stuff, thank you...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Vengenace Early-keep this quiet, but you struck GOLD!! But watch out for the dreaded zinc wheel weights - you can't help having some of those get mixed in with the lead ones. Zinc is no good (zero) for bullet casting. You can tell zinc wheel weights from the ring sound when you slap them on a steel hammer. Lead is dull sound. And you can hit lead ww with hammer and dents-zinc no. Also zn no dent to pliers and Zn may be stamped on the ww. Steel ww are no problem - they float no melt
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Jim Nolan- and thank you for taking the time to post the good word. Good luck on your search tomorrow...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Cheech1968-Great point you have there-I've always considered that the spacer was to keep the wad from impressing itself into the base of the slug or to adjust the column height for crimping, but you've got another very good reason - pressure control. All good...Best Regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Jim Nolan-Thanks for the comment. My reply disappeared!! Shotshell reloading is straightforward and fun. We can improve performance of shot loads over the cheap ammo by simply using hard magnum shot instead of the soft stuff they use. But the big savings is reloading slugs - 12 cents a shot saving 90% over cost of factory. Other day, shooter was taking out the black at 25 yards offhand shooting Win factory slugs. When he changed targets, I handed him two of my Lee 1 oz slug reloads. see 2
@rlmarin1968
11 жыл бұрын
I've added 20 ga spacer wads under the Lee slug in the Federal plastic wad...this raises the slug just enough so it doesn't stretch the wad base (which is why it was not passing through the barrel easily). With the 20 ga spacer wads...steady pressure will get the wad/slug through. Thank you for posting very useful and important info to consider. I don't think many people stop to think about what excess pressure can/will do to a barrel.
@johnnycrouse4603
4 жыл бұрын
This is very good info folks. I recently made up some slug loads and decided to try this method before shooting. The shotgun that I tried this in is a Rock Island combo set up. One barrel is a 18.5 inch smoothbore. The longer barrel does allow for screw in chokes. Neither barrel would allow me to push the wad with the slug in it threw the barrel I wasn’t even able to push them shortly past the chamber. I tried several wads using the 7/8 oz lee slug with this test. Not all barrels are the same. Just be safe out there! Thanks for the heads up FortuneCookie.
@colejackson3534
3 жыл бұрын
Im having the same problem which wads ended up working for you?
@ExF1Guy
2 жыл бұрын
@@colejackson3534 Fwiw in my shotgun Federal 12S4 wads offer the best fit. They have quite thin petals allowing for a smaller total diameter. My bore measures at .730 (Beretta), I cannot recall what the federal 12S4 and keydrive combo was (maybe .734, I can measure if you want). Although it may not be wise, I have shot slug wad (gualandi) combos up to .750 through this shotgun with no issues.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut reply2-the mold makers have factored in safety margins because people will shoot them through full chokes unintentionally. So the Lee slugs 1) have narrower diameter skirts compared to front of slug - less bearing surface 2) hollow base half to "compress"if necessary. However, the answer given to you is valuable as most shooters don't bother to see if wad-slug has excessive push tension to begin.Try shoving the Lee slug with thick wad through an open choke-you can't-with full choke-wow.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut - Thanks again for the comment. Your .710 choke is an open choke - whether it's stamped MOD or not. My cylinder bores are .710. You should be able to push the .690 slug and wad through that bore without any problem. You might not even need to shorten the petals. Use the wooden dowel and even if you have to push hard to get it through, that's fine. And accuracy should be there. If too tight, try that ClayBuster wad with the thin petals - it should go through nice. Best regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut reply2 They just happen to not start at .730 - I do recall that 12 gauge barrels were .729 but perhaps that is the backbore that some Browning barrels have to lower pressures. Important points are the degree of constriction from the barrel=choke. Thanks for listing the choke constrictions - all shotgunners have use for this...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Page - Buck and ball loads were devastating during the Civil War. Problem with loading them is that abbreviated wad columns are needed and you won't be able to use the normal AA12 wads, etc. You will have to go with the fiber and filler wads. And the powder charges are all nebulous as no loading data is available. Some shooters have done them, but I don't think I'll get into that...my plain slugs are fine for my use..Best Regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Jim Nolan- He proceeded to shoot both slugs with holes almost touching with one of the holes biting the x-ring at 7 o'clock. When I told him that they cost 12 cents each to load, should have seen his eyes open up! I like doing things like that, but takes trust in your loads-and you've got to pick your spots to do things like this. He was shooting a Benelli Nova tactical. I started on Lee, then MEC press, then the big Dillon. If you shoot a lot, you might go the same road. Best regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
dfanman1-That gun shoots fast…you can take the barrel off and run the rod tests from the breech end with no trouble. Sometimes pain in the neck with long magazine tubes, so you could put it in a cleaning vise and push the wood rod tests thru from the muzzle if you need to. You might need someone to stabilize the gun if the wad combo is on the tight side. If you can't push a combo through, it will still shoot through (don't shoot maximum loads with that combo though) but wads will strip...
@jonlucas5521
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the barrel / slug fitting technique...I used to do that but had forgotten, and I had a batch of home cast balls that seem to be .688, but are pretty hard to shove through the bore. Others that I had bought that were supposed to be .680 fit through just fine, but measure very close to the home cast ones. I am sure that just .001 difference in a close fit would make a significant different.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Cheech1968-Thanks for the fine comment-Yes, problem is that if we can't push the slug through the barrel, the powder gasses will. But in doing so, the wad petals will strip and do so unevenly=accuracy suffers. What we want is to find our fired wads and they are perfectly splayed like an open flower=best accuracy. The slug and wad petal thicknesses must be mated to the barrel cyl or imp cyl choke for max accuracy. Same for rifled barrels-if you can't snug push the wad-slug thru, petals strip.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Vengenace Early-When you use the muffin tins, be sure to knock the ingots out soon after they harden or they will be hard to separate later. If you are using wheelweights, you do not have to add any additional tin or antimony - WWs are great for bullets as is. Save your lino to add to scrap lead or range scrap for bullets. Or use range scrap or scrap lead to make slugs no lino added. Good castin' to ya...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
inspectyerbooty- That is a very good comparison.another reason is if you do squish the wad a bit, you might be able to still close the crimp, but the crimp will open up on its own if you store the shells for even a little while. The perfect wad column takes up all the space and the crimp is firm even if you put the shells away for a whole season…if the wad column is spacey, the crimp will have a collapsed look and the shot might fall out, but if the slug is exposed, that is OK within reason.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
middo111- hanks for the comment on your recipe. That load will work just fine- My guess is you are getting about 1100 fps. If you up it 2-3 grains, you'll get 1250 with OK pressure (check this if you do increase unique), but more powder used and I've found that average 4" accuracy at 50 yards is about the normal for most of our guns whether our barrels are rifled or not. Still real fun, try shooting offhand with that at 25 yards - you'll wear out the black if you touch 'em off. Best Regards
@gumballbmx
11 жыл бұрын
Your information is always useful and appreciated.
@COMB0RICO
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks from Texas.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut- reply1 - I just rechecked the bores of my smooth bore deer barrel and the rifled slug barrel. Neither of these barrels have any choke - the deer barrel is .710 straight cylinder bore (as you say - no constriction), and the rifled slug barrel is .710 as well. see reply2
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut-Whatever mold you get will be very fun. I have shot the Lee slugs for longer than I want to think - great for the range where most slug shooting is 25 yards ane 12 1/2 yards. Now that I got the rifled slug barrel thanks to Jonwithnoh7, that led me to finally get the Lyman 525 mold (after 40 years) and that combo is ACCURATE. Once I get more wads, I'm looking forward to do some longer range offhand shooting. Good loadin' to ya..
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
afgesfgagsae - Thanks for the question - intriguing-like making our own PDX loads - but if you take one of those expensive rounds apart, you'll see proprietary wadding - you can't buy those components. My take is that if we want slug and ball loads, we'll have to go back to overpowder and filler wads to experiment. I'm going to leave that to others. Buck and ball loads were very nasty during Civil War-but that was massed muskets putting out 4 projectiles each shot-clouds of lead and death.
@vengenaceearly255
11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great channel. I have just started gathering the equipment to begin casting and your channel is very helpful. My timing maybe a little off, haha, as you know lots of key componets are either on back order or cost three times the price on e-bay. But I am learning a lot here. I just got new truck tires at a cost of $800, so the tire store was more than happy to give me all the wheel weights I could load in my truck. I think I must have 6 - five gallon buckets full. LOL
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
bruce don- And thank you for the good and valuable comment. People do read the comment sections. Best Regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut - The alloy with the zinc in it will not cast well. Your bullets will look like malformed garbage. A zinc washer at base of bullet might be OK (that was done in the past - not any longer). But with zinc in your alloy, any bullets you might be able to make would be useless. I once got some zinc into a mix and it wouldn't even make good ingots. Best recommendation - don't let it happen in the first placed. Best regards...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Vengenace Early-I do recommend that you make lead ingots out of your wws. Please take a look at my video on Why Cast Ingots? It is #1 on my playlist on bullet casting. You can be making your ingots so when your Lee 20 comes in, you are good to go. Be sure to store all you lead away from traffic areas as you have to wear your lead clothes and wash your hands every time you work with lead.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
dfanman1-your components are fine - just don't use magnum primers. The AA12 wads are good for both Lee slugs and Herco powder is listed in the Lee Load Data for slugs (check out their site). You can load slugs with most shotshell reloading presses...Best Regards and sorry I missed seeing this comment till now...
@vengenaceearly255
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for both messages. I hope 6-bucks lasts a long time ! But what you are telling me is that zinc will ruin my whole day if I am not careful. I am glad you told me to hit the ww and listen to the sound. I understand what you are saying. I am going to try the plier method, if no dent it goes in the trash. I am going to error on the side of caution. PS-- man those buckets are heavy. they have got to weight at least 60 lbs, the handel broke on getting one out of the truck. LOL-- thanks again.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gumballbmx-Thank you taking the time to comment to good word...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut-Shotgun slugs should be used with cylinder choke only - If all you have is an improved cylinder choke tube, that should be OK, but back off powder charge by a grain first before you touch off. If OK, then go back to your cylinder bore load. Your modified choke is NOT recommended. The Lyman 525 slug mikes at .680 at front drive band; Lee 1 oz and 7/8 oz mike at .688 and the .690 round ball is .690 the difference plus slightly thicker petals cause excess tension.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
granpswtharock-There really are a lot of wads out there, we haven't even touched on wads from out of the country. Best regards.
@eduardoboabaid9947
8 жыл бұрын
First of all, thank you very much for sharing all this precious information. You sir is an encyclopedia and a guide for all of us reloaders! I am just starting reloading slugs and I have some questions. I have a Versamax Tactical. Some call it an overbore shotgun and because of that some say that it has poor slug accuracy. Here are the constrictions for the versamax choke tubes: Cyl: 735, skeet: 730, IC: 725, LM: 720, M: 715 and so on (you answered someone comment that your cylinder bore is 721. What a difference!). With that said, here are my questions: 1: what choke tube of that list do you suggest for the 12s3 wad and lyman 525 slug combination? 2: Do you think it is necessary to add a .125 nitro card under the slug to get better accuracy (I'm talking about the combination mentioned above)? 3: Do you think that I can get better accuracy shooting slugs when using an extende choke tube than a flush mounted one? 4: I read somewhere that when we shoot slugs, we can get better accurarcy with higher velocity. Is it true? If so, what velocity (fps) do you seek to get better accuracy when you shoot the 12s3 wad/lyman 525 slug combo from a streght walled hull? I'm asking all that because I don't have all those choke tubes and choke tubes and reloading ingredients are expensive and hard to get here at my corner of the world. Thank you very much for your time and attention and keep with the great work!
@inspectyerbooty
11 жыл бұрын
nice video. i was wondering [til the end] if you were going to talk about powder column LOL yeah, it is very important to talk about powder column and that it is very important to not squish the wad during shell manufacture and crimping. a squished wad will cause pressure in the chamber to spike at the wrong time during the ignition cycle [similar but not exactly the same as what auto mechanics call "advancing the timing" and getting engine "knock" or "ping" which destroys engines]
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut-simple fix for a crimp that doesn't quite close - pop in the shorter Lee 7/8 slug and you should be in business. Either that or drop the powder charge by 1 grain and that should shorten your column also. Good shootin' to ya...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
gun nut-Your questions and comments are so good, I took the liberty to get the word out on wad-slug evaluation to everyone who wants the info. For that matter, it's like the scientific method. We post information and questions arise because of it...then more information and more questions - The subject matter for Tube posting is INFINITE!! And yes - turning ww to soft lead is getting more interest than anticipated...Best Regards and keep the comments coming...
@vengenaceearly255
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your help.
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
algesfgagsae-reply2 - advantage of slug and ball is to get hits at range - this is not good for hunting as we want accurate hits at range - not just any hits. And at shorter range requirements, our slug and ball patterns would be minimal anyway so that whether we shoot slug or slug and ball, no advantage is gained - we still have to have accurate shooting -might as well shoot 9 pellet buckshot. We'll get same effect shooting 12 or 15 pellet buckshot as slug and ball. Intriguing though...
@FortuneCookie45LC
11 жыл бұрын
Vengenace Early - reply2-you probably know this already, but does not hurt to give you info - Zn will melt into your bullet metal around 875+ degrees and it will RUIN the whole mix of alloy- The curdly scum that keeps coming up will tell you that Zinc got into your metal - not good. Best regards
@Imagamer85
10 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for all your very useful information, great videos, keep up the good work... Pat
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
Patrick Silbernagel - just used that dowel trick in my latest video on Useful Slug Load Recipes With Red Dot Powder - RD isn't the best slug powder, but hard to get powders now (and some wads too), and RD - I have. So got some recipes going with RD - and the Windjammer wad/RB slug can be snug pushed through my rifled barrel. Best Regards and thanks for the good word...
@l.a.3887
2 жыл бұрын
Grate information thanks
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
i cant wait to finally get my mold youve been a great help!
@Imagamer85
8 жыл бұрын
great video, thanks for your time, and information.
@FortuneCookie45LC
8 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Silbernagel -- And thanks to you for taking the time to pass along the good word... Best Regards, FC
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
okay thanks ! sorry for all the questions lol .... Great videos keep them coming
@lmomechtech7709
11 жыл бұрын
You and 'gun nut' have a great banter going. Lots of info for the caster/loader in shotgun arena. Has any of you entertained the thoughts on black powder shooting with or with out sabots, greased lead or dry w/sabot?? Just another avenue I have been traveling but weather is preventing some testing/shooting. Then you have the different types of powders much like different types of smokeless. Lots to get my head around; simpler to just have ammo supply to just shoot and have fun...lol.
@vengenaceearly255
11 жыл бұрын
I think I am going to do that and us muffin tins, so I don't have to buy more stuff. I also have10#s of linotype. I think will use some of it per batch. Maybe a quater of an oz. Yes all lead will be stored away from the house, I also will be using a 3M Respirator with heavy metal filters, heavy smelters gloves etc.
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
did you makes this video becuase of me ??? lol also do you remember me talking to you about turning ww to soft lead?
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
okay thanks!
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
what if your using a wad with a long center and short shot cup and it fits when you reload them the crimp wont close all the way which mean you would have to find another wad with a larger shot cup and smaller center for it to crimp correctly.
@jstsmegy
4 жыл бұрын
Ty ty ty
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
well i had called around and i asked why pure/soft lead for slugs an that becuase if someone shot it through a full choke the lead is soft enough to make it if you use ww the load is hard and would blow up a full choke so using ww for slugs is okay if you dont shoot it out of anything tighter than a mod. choke
@vengenaceearly255
11 жыл бұрын
I am going to error on the side of caution. Now I just have to wait .. and wait .. and wait.. for my lee 20lb production pot. Due date April 23. I can buy one on E-bay if I want to be raked over the coals, and pay $110 bucks for a pot that cost $69 !
@granpswtharock
11 жыл бұрын
Great
@Kingfisher6.5
10 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't mind seeing a video of you pushing the both of the lee slugs through a db shotgun with all the safe wad combos for all those people out there worrying about about chokes as most db shotguns have one open and one modified choke.
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
ronan donnelly - This video was to show the push through test, and the rationale for the test only. The pushing thru of wad/slug combos has to be done by each shooter with their own barrels. If I push the combo through any of my barrels, it doesn't mean that the combo will go through another barrel, whether in a double barrel shotgun or not…as you know two open chokes or two modified chokes can be different. And another Lee mold might cast slightly different diameter slug than mine. These variables require each shooter to do the push thru test for themselves…Thanks for the comment, and good reloadin' to ya...
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
i just added and extra 1000th of an inch to the barrel so the numbers were so crazy could your deer guns not have chokes but have built in chokes the barrel slowly get smaller. such as a fixed choke.
@robsgt.airborne9177
5 жыл бұрын
Can the wads in the Federal 1-1/8 oz. #8 target loads, be cut down to where the shot cup is, just high enough to center the slug? I found that the wad/slug combo will not push through, unless I cut the wad shot cup down to just under 1/8". Then it will smoothly push through. I ask because I have seen slug wads that have little to no cup. I am new to slug loading and have not shot any of my Lee 1 oz. Drive Key slugs yet. Due to Prop 63, here in Commieforniastan, I am reloading everything Lol!
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
so from what i figured out i can use a harder lead just make sure i use a mod choke at the tightest? and what cause the AA white wad to fit but the AA pink wad didnt are the petal thicker?
@therealgabrielcash
6 жыл бұрын
Fortune i have been working on a lyman 525 load for the rifled barrel of my mossberg 500 and i find that my 525 pellet in a AA12 wad (original winchester) takes a lot of muscle to get it through the barrel. Did you find your combo in the rifled mossy barrel hard to push through? Totally not as easy as your example with the yellow wad in this video. Thanks!
@thastinger345
Жыл бұрын
This is an old vid but try the LB-12 wad with the .690 ball
@barndweller4573
6 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea, THANKS I am just starting to learn to load shotgun rounds. (I know I am a little late to the party)
@FortuneCookie45LC
6 жыл бұрын
Barn Dweller - Anytime is a good time...there are many rifle, handgun and even shotgun shooters with 40+ years of shooting experience without ever having tried reloading shotshells. Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve
@rlmarin1968
11 жыл бұрын
FC: This may require several comments, but here it goes. So if I hear you correctly, if a slug/wad combo passes thru with steady pressure/resistance then it will be a more accurate combo? I've seen ppl convert shot to slugs in the federal target loads, but if you do this test with a Lee 1oz slug in the factory wad in that shell it WILL NOT pass thru, so I'm unsure how they do it and I'm not willing to risk the long term high pressure exposure to my barrel. Thanks for the test examples.
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
round up to .73 then subtract the choke constriction to get the caliber of your gun Cylinder - .000 skeet - .005 improved cylinder - .010 light mod. - .015 mod. - .020 improved mod. .025 light full - .030 full - .035 extra full - .040 super full - .045
@hokeypokeyalso1783
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video
@FortuneCookie45LC
9 жыл бұрын
hokeypokeyalso1 And thanks to you for posting...
@erikmarshall502
9 жыл бұрын
Also can u shot slugs out of a rifle barrel or only a smooth barrel
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
what would happen if you used Zinc lead mix?
@duaneurban4770
10 жыл бұрын
How much force is too much in your opinion. I have tried the .690 RB and 7/8 oz slug with the federal pink wad, 20 ga fiber spacer and wooden dowel and in my old 870 wingmaster both pass through with the force of my push similar to your video. However, my Mossberg and other rem 870 barrels require me to put the dowel on the floor and apply heavy downward pressure to get both through with all the wads I have (DR blue, Win gray, Win pink, Fed pink) is that bad? They go through but require a much greater degree of force than the old wingmaster barrel. Thoughts?
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
Duane Urban - Ideal is if dowel is on floor and you push down with one hand pass thru. But if you have to use both hands and a lot of your weight to pass the combo thru - you will get some cases of petal stripping. If the combo will not pass thru at all, you will get petal strip(s) on all your loads. The more petal stripping, the less accurate your loads will be...This can all be verified by picking up the fired wads for inspection. Of course, if your bare slug will not pass thru, that barrel has excessive choke and pressures will be in the red zone...Best to ya...
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
so this will narrow it down to a few then you have to find a wad this is just right
@grizzskoalcope
10 жыл бұрын
i feel all slug wad combos are tight in my barrel even published ones but they all fire fine and i have no over pressure signs.
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
grizzskoalcope-the bare slugs drop thru; and the slug/wads push thru. If too tight, the slug still shoots, but the wad petals strip off unevenly so might cause accuracy problems. Won't happen with your Windjammers as they have thin petals. But other wads might be too tight. Only the push thru test will tell...Best Regards
@middo111
11 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm after your opinion on a load im working on. Win AA hull,AA wad,cci 209 primer, lee 7/8 oz keyed slug and 23.6 grains of unique, does that sound about right? I'm getting fist sized groups at 50yards with my under over and recoil seems light about the same as AA target loads. Thanks for your time and keep up the good work!!
@afgesfgagsae
11 жыл бұрын
FC, do you have any insights into loading "buck and ball", or "slug and ball"? For instance, a lee 7/8 keyed slug on top of 3 or 6 "00" plated buckshot? Thank you
@TheGunnut95
11 жыл бұрын
my mod choke in my stevens 350 shotgun which i see you have i love that gun lol ... but the choke says its .710 so a .690 so if i trim the petals wouldnt that fit? could i use the wooden dowl trick to find out? ive shot A LOT of slugs through it before ( factory ) so wouldnt these work?
@jankozierowski3857
3 жыл бұрын
If it doesn't go throught easily, is it safe to shoot or not really ? ;)
@erikmarshall502
9 жыл бұрын
Thank u for the info that's helps a lot ....I was at a garage sell and found the reloaded and 6 pounds of win. 452aa powder, 2500 of waa12 wads and 3000 w209 primers and federal 12s3 wads as well are any of these any good
@FortuneCookie45LC
9 жыл бұрын
Erik Marshall That is all good stuff...the buying lamp is lit...hope the stuff is still there when you get back...Best Regards
@louisdillon6247
2 жыл бұрын
I tried that with my lee slugs, and they wouldn't go but my bought slug wouldn't go neither
@afmcben
6 жыл бұрын
Question. Great videos. I'm new to all reloading. I have followed and purchased the exact hulls, primers, powder and wads to shoot my cast 7/8 Lee key slugs. But when I try the push through test you show, I can barely even get it started in the barrel. Not even close to pushing through... What am I doing wrong? Thanks for any advice
@afmcben
6 жыл бұрын
All loading info I'm going from is out of the ballistic products Inc loading manuals and webste
@FortuneCookie45LC
6 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Gregg - You are doing nothing wrong. The push through test you report is going to result in those combos getting wad petal stripping when you fire them (you can recover the fired wads downrange and see). Every time your wads strip petals, you will get flyer shots that open up your groups and cause you to not trust the accuracy especially for hunting situations. You can't hunt with your slug loads outside of the range you get reliable 6" groups with your slugs. Apparently, your barrel is a bit tighter. You might try wads with thinner petals (most are .015" thick petals) like the Windjammer and Lightning wads. But those wads don't have strong compression construction, so we are stuck there. They may shoot well in your barrel though. Only testing will tell. Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve
@mrmeadow1
10 жыл бұрын
Where would i be able to find load data for the claybuster wad the one with the thin pedals.I use lee 7/8 and 1 oz slugs?I went one midway usa and they list no subtitution for this wad.
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
mrmeadow1-You will not find published load data on the Lightning and Windjammer wads for slug loads because those wads were not designed for slugs. Your best bet is to find published load data recipes and substitute these wads for the ones listed - perhaps dropping the powder charge a couple of grains and working up. Shotguns and chokes(we are supposed to shoot slugs thru cylinder bores or IC at most) vary and publishers warn to not substitute, but everyone does that…Good reloadin' to ya...
@thomasherbert5790
5 жыл бұрын
Got some of the gray wads and put a 7/8 ounce slug in and could not push them though my barrel , Any suggestions FC.
@timbrown2904
4 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem ... Fed12S0, WAA12L both would not go through a mossberg 835 rifled barrel. I ended up using the WAA12SL (Superlite) and it worked just fine. I push the wad in backwards from the muzzle and chamber ends to test fit. FC45 just conveyed the pink WAA would not go through... it did on my end fine. Tested about 20 rounds last week and it functioned fine out of rifled. Not so good via smooth bore.
@thomasherbert5790
4 жыл бұрын
@@timbrown2904 Hey Tim, do you think i ought to try the WAA12SL in my smoothbore and are you loading the Lee 7/8 oz slug and what is your powder and weight
@timbrown2904
4 жыл бұрын
@@thomasherbert5790 ... do some more web searches on your specific gun, wads (not sure what gray means in your post), and slugs. In my case it was the Lee 7/8 slug and Mossberg 835 rifled barrel. Had a hard time finding good load data for it.
@thomasherbert5790
4 жыл бұрын
@@timbrown2904 I am using the WAA12L 7/8 0z wad and a 7/8oz Lee key drive slug and tried to push it through my smooth bore and would not go, the WAA12L is gray . Just wondering if the WAA12SL would work better , will have to give it a try
@timbrown2904
4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Herbert it’s thinner... so may help
@erikmarshall502
9 жыл бұрын
I just got Mec reloaded I want to load lee 1 oz slugs but I really don't know what wad to get...would u have any idea
@FortuneCookie45LC
9 жыл бұрын
Erik Marshall - A lot depends on what hulls you are going to load. If you are loading the Unibody Remingtons, or Win AAs, then you want the :Win AA12 wads if you can find them. Watch out for the Claybuster AA12 substitute wads - they say they are the same as the Win AA12s, but they have an internal flange that prevents slugs from fitting the wads. Downrange makes some good wads and the Lightning and :Windjammer wads are useful. Also, I like having some Federal 12S0 and Fed 12S3 wads on hand. That will get you started...I have videos out on wads... Good reloadin' to ya
@dougallen7890
10 жыл бұрын
How about no wad? Let me explain. Lee 7/8 mold slug, an H&R or NEF single bbl. inp. cyl. with a primed base (no hull-plastic) with 100 grns Pyrodex RG using a lubed patch around the slug for fit, loaded as a muzzleloader? Save money all the way around. Experiment with that one. Let me know what you find. Please. Thanks
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
Doug Allen-Very intriguing, this certainly has some possibilities. Why couldn't we try this in any muzzleloader using regular cast bullets that would fit appropriately with the patch? But in my case, I don't shoot BP. Always wanted to load say 35+ grains into 45 Colt cases, but the mess and corrosive effects on my 45 Colt brass + mess in my guns has held me back from that for the past 25 years...But your idea for an H&R sounds really good (I do have one of those) Best Regards
@dougallen7890
10 жыл бұрын
I have a .50 cal. no problem there. I was curious about the cast slug fit in a 12 ga. Pyrodex isn't corrosive like bp. Check out Hickok45 he uses bp with .45 often, handgun and rifle, cowboy action shooting.
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
Doug Allen The 2 Lee slugs and the Lyman 525 mike out at .680 while the Lee 690 measures .690 as advertised. Your ideas of using a primed base and then loading as a muzzleloader with a lubed patch is intriguing, and certainly worth a look in the event ammo shortages in worse case scenarios occur. I'll keep that in mind, but as for now, there's no way that I would advise someone to do a not recommended procedure. But loading bp or Pyrodex into our cartridges is a proven method. Personally, I enjoy seeing others like Hickok shoot bp, but as for me, I'll let others do that. But if I did shoot bp, the 35 grains either bp or Pyrodex in my 45 Colt loads would be my first choice.
@dougallen7890
10 жыл бұрын
I just cast a few Lee 7/8 oz slugs tonight. They came out OK? A little wavy on the sides and some small voids on the skirt edges. What's the deal? Lead not hot enough? Mold not hot enough? I cleaned the new mold first, heated to dry, lubed and smoked. Help!
@FortuneCookie45LC
10 жыл бұрын
Doug Allen You've got it all on track. Non-fillout on pour is from the following reasons 1) residual preservative or manufacturing oil (this is not your problem) 2) cold mold (hold corner of mold in molten lead for 1 full minute) 3) cold alloy or proper alloy, but you just added a big ingot (turn up the temp a tad, but this is probably not the problem) 4) no tin in alloy (a little is needed for alloy to flow well) Some waves and folds are normal until everything heats up, then the slugs should come out nice...if not, then a little tin is needed. Slugs shoot just as well with little imperfections...but you are right-we want as perfect slugs as we can get. Good castin' to ya...
@Mrbrendan870
7 жыл бұрын
one of the great mentors fortunecookie45lc thanks for youre info
@FortuneCookie45LC
7 жыл бұрын
brendan 870 - And thanks so much for posting comment...Good shootin' to ya, FC
@FranciscoTrevino
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sr, hey I was watching at this video kzitem.info/news/bejne/u453l4uNm6mefII, and he mentions his recipe is very accurate, and I went ahead and bought all the components, but curiously enough I did your test and the lee slugs which he uses (7/8 and 1 oz) do not want to push through, so my question would be how safe would it be to shoot this recipe, I don't want to blow up my gun.
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