If you want to see the modern competition for the Dell Vostro 400, we have an entire playlist of prebuilt system reviews here: kzitem.info/door/PLsuVSmND84QuM2HKzG7ipbIbE_R5EnCLM Grab a GN Tear-Down Toolkit on back-order now to guarantee you get one in the next run! We have arrival dates on the store now. These have been in production a long time and have been in constant demand, so to make sure you get one, pick up a back-order here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit We compared the Vostro 400 to the Dell G5 5000, a system so bad that it needed two videos. Part one is here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lXqDzWqejqeVe3o
@retardedr2d2zzz
2 жыл бұрын
Dell > Dell confirmed?!
@S8ER
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Dell XPS 630i and I would love to see you review one of them. Standard power supply, fairly standard case (other than mounting opposite side / upside down). I’ve had the case through many other boards (running an Asus Rampage board in it now) on the original PSU and internals. That might be as close as they have been to following standards.
@nekomata4830
2 жыл бұрын
Upgrade the classic dell case with modern components
@headcas620
2 жыл бұрын
They also has shitty proprietary mobos back then too. Remember BTX? inverted layout which was hard to find if not impossible in the aftermarket.
@KillaMilla0513
2 жыл бұрын
@Gamers Nexus are you guys going to get more coasters.. I would like to buy the set with four glasses if you do. I already have the volt mod mat and the large wire frame mouse pad.. it's all great items.. thanks for all the hard work
@MegaCygnusX1
2 жыл бұрын
I can see Dell's next marketing push already; *"Timeless designs" - Steve, Gamers Nexus*
@ArtisChronicles
2 жыл бұрын
I'd actually laugh if I saw that come up
@heretic124
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly hope that they'll do something like that. Would laugh my ass off.
@SuperpowerBroadcasting
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@qbrt4050
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the good old days. When you could just slap a gpu into a pre-built and actually have a competent pc.
@diegosilang4823
2 жыл бұрын
My sister had brought in a IBM PC with Pentium 4 so she can work at home and it it got a empty AGP slot! I placed a GeForce4 card and I had a blast playing Half Life 2 with it.
@blazed85
2 жыл бұрын
Brian... was this recently?
@qbrt4050
2 жыл бұрын
@@blazed85 My thoughts, exactly
@1blackice1
2 жыл бұрын
Thats how I built my 1st gaming rig. Slapped a 9800GT, 2GB RAM, and a new PSU into an HP Pavillion desktop. 1000s hrs on gmod, tf2, and guild wars on that thing! Also, yes, it did run Crysis. On low settings lol
@R3TR0J4N
2 жыл бұрын
My story was with a prebuilt Lenovo HS250 slim, so I bought a new case and a 1060 (this was back 2017) then just to end up that the mobo need bios update but sadly the manufacturer site doesn't had a lest bios lol
@splewy
2 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how much standardized parts mean in a prebuilt. My first ever desktop was a Dell XPS 8100 circa 2010. Over the years I swapped out the GPU for an AMD 7870, the power supply for a Corsair CX650, the CPU cooler for a Cooler Master, the mechanical HDD for an SSD, and even swapped all of the components into a Rosewill case with better air flow. I eventually gifted that computer to family members and it lived on until early 2021. All of this was made possible by standardized components.
@johnbamber7374
2 жыл бұрын
What happened in early 2021...?
@garfield5647
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnbamber7374 we don’t talk about the “incident”
@kulled
2 жыл бұрын
i also have a studio xps 8100
@splewy
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnbamber7374 It still worked. But by that point, a lot of the core components were just very dated (the CPU for example was a circa 2009 Core i7 860), so its owner moved onto something a bit newer.
@Perseagatuna
2 жыл бұрын
Is it even considered the same computer after all those changes?
@DepMcL
2 жыл бұрын
Steve: "Has any anyone ever done a film peel shot with film that's been on a system for like 13 years?" 4:47 Clint@LGR: "You mean 30 or 40 years, right?"
@killerful
2 жыл бұрын
Eyy lmao
@TheAnoniemo
2 жыл бұрын
The rubberized fan mounts are a great upgrade though, removes a lot of vibration noise. I scavenge them from old systems like this whenever I can to re-use them.
@manishholla
Жыл бұрын
I guess the new PC with butt plug holding the fan is kind of good. It mitigates the chassis vibration.
@smash461986
2 жыл бұрын
"we've even got an original peel film. That's right, we got one."
@brovid-19
2 жыл бұрын
If this doesn't get 10k likes I will never truly believe in karma
@ChristopherHailey
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the original tweezers on the cables too.
@dashcamandy2242
2 жыл бұрын
Where Steve went horribly wrong was disassembly without using a Swiss Army knife, that (hopefully) has a Phillips screwdriver.
@kjrchannel1480
2 жыл бұрын
I tend to leave most peel film right where it is. It serves no purpose in the garbage.
@natemasterson7274
2 жыл бұрын
that older dell is more solid of a system than people realize, even now still. they are able to take up to the highest end core 2 quad cpus, support up to 8, and sometimes 16gb of ram, and have a pcie slot, sometimes 2. so during a shortage they are still a compelling cheap option for emulation and mid range games. 4 solid cores, enough ram to get by, etc.
@Nick-ue7iw
2 жыл бұрын
Dont buy one of these for games. The core 2 quad sounds appealing, but has no inter logic communication. Heavily threaded tasks choke on the bus bandwidth. The Q9650 performs worse then dual core pentiums today. If you go used, go no lower then 1st gen i series, those can still hold their own, albeit barely, in modern games.
@spaghetto181
Жыл бұрын
@@Nick-ue7iw yea c2q are just two c2d dies thrown together, like the pentium d before it which was 2 pentium 4
@qkohe155
Жыл бұрын
Standard dell computers are a rarity, earlier they used to use some strange power supplies, motherboards and coolers. They even used BTX, although that should be the standard.
@Rob_Cahill
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Dell XPS 1701 model laptop during what was it last days being sold. It has to be over 15 years ago I bought it. It was notorious for an MAJOR oversight. It was a 17 inch laptop with a crap 15 inch fan. It ran/runs so hot its scary, it would feel like your palms were being cooked if you ran any kinda game after an hour or so. Don't even ask how it ran in summer if your room wasn't cooled. It was basically untouchable. It was a mini heater you could leave your hand at its side and just feel the heat massively being pushed out and it just didn't cut it. The forums were littered with complaints with the fan being too small for a 17 inch in general let alone a laptop meant for gaming.
@ash36230
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats to Dell for winning the "Its Better than Dell" award... even if it was from a decade ago. You should try and get it up and running for modern benchmarks if they even work, and a proper case review.
@Operational117
2 жыл бұрын
Dell: “We’ve always been this way! We’ve never changed!” GN: **reviews a 2008-model and finds its construction, lack of proprietary components and choice of CPU fan significantly more appealing than the G5 5000-series** Dell: 😨 “N-no! This has got to be a fluke!!”
@tomramos5929
2 жыл бұрын
That plastic thingy the 2021 Dell used to hold that fan in place looks like the Antec noise reducing thingys that were opaque and came in small bags of 4. They did work though, made removing fans easier and less vibration I guess.
@ItsDanLatham
2 жыл бұрын
10-15 years ago it really was hit or miss on what computers had proprietary gear in, and its a shame its still going on today. I specifically went for an Acer M3400 with a standard size case and motherboard. Came with a Phenom II X6 1035T so I just stuck some RAM and a GPU in it and it kept chugging as my main rig for a few more years. When I upgraded the PSU I transplanted it all into a new case, and eventually upgraded the board and CPU. Those were the days, where you could butcher systems and hack stuff together to make something cool on a budget.
@lawfulsoup8335
2 жыл бұрын
I used to offer computer repair cheaply to local friends and family and even some light advertising on social media in my area way back from 2008 til 2014. I started giving up on repair when I realized everyone was changing to laptops, tablets, or smartphones. I still did laptops for a while but soon stopped offering repair at all as parts became super proprietary, and it was cheaper to buy a brand new device then repairing the $300/$400 laptop the kid spilled juice on. Motherboard, a new keyboard, and track pad or storage drive would cost more than the laptop would cost brand new.
@gremfive4246
2 жыл бұрын
Dell Pentium II & III systems were intel boards with non standard wired ATX sockets so if you plugged in a standard ATX power supply you would fry the motherboard and possibly the PSU.
@kjrchannel1480
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly for most OEM's the only standard parts were CPU and memory sockets, and some I/O. The only way to upgrade a proprietary case is get newer parts from a decommissioned proprietary case.
@vipermageex5861
2 жыл бұрын
I have been building my own computers since the 1990s and we currently have three working desktops that are all hand me down components with occasionally replaced parts such as recently replacing a 12 year old power supply. When I buy parts I use quality companies and try to get the best cost/power ratio I can, which generally means the components last a long time. All three computers run everything the individual users needs and old components are taken to the local electronic recycling drop off. I have never purchased a pre-built.
@tomboman
2 жыл бұрын
For my oldschool setups, im still rocking a Dell XPS 720 H2C, with intel QX6800, and 8800GTX SLI, you should review one of those because they are really a piece of art imo.
@pumkinplays
2 жыл бұрын
I just upgraded some of the stuff in my old 2012 Dell XPS (bought refurbished). It looks eerily identical to this inside. It even had four sticks of RAM, which was actually an unwelcome surprise cuz that meant I needed to buy more than expected to upgrade. That thing is still going strong. It just needed new stuff to keep up with the times.
@sotesz
2 жыл бұрын
Just a side note: Hmm. The IO shield seems to be integrated into the chassis. This would give yet another reason to upgrade the case, But, if you would want to use the poor, otherwise standard motherboard in anywhere else, you would have to hunt down an IO shield for it - if it even exists -, or go jank style.
@Nickscassera
2 жыл бұрын
If you're reusing a stock dell mobo, you probably don't care about the i/o shield
@Gatewayuser200
2 жыл бұрын
Integrated I/O shields are an easy fix with a Dremel.
@sotesz
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gatewayuser200 And a welder? It wasn't that it was in the way, rather there would be no IO shield for a replacement case. If you have to go that much DIY, you might as well build your own case.
@Gatewayuser200
2 жыл бұрын
@@sotesz I'm was talking about reusing the old Dell case. The integrated I/O could be cut out so you can fit any motherboard with it's new I/O shield into the Dell case. That Dell motherboard uses a fairly common I/O layout. Shields are available for it. Some Dell cases that motherboard was used in did have removeable standard I/O shields.
@luvr381
2 жыл бұрын
I had a 2007 Dell that lasted 8 years. Still using the monitor it came with, great picture.
@Sensates85
2 жыл бұрын
The older Dell cooler has a problem where part of the mounting legs are plastic, with enough heat and usage time they will break one by one eventually. Still, the regressing is unforgivable.
@Jabid21
2 жыл бұрын
I had the vostro’s silver/white cousin Inspiron 530 before I built PCs. It was probably one of the last Dell desktops that had mostly standardized components.
@TheManicGeek
2 жыл бұрын
Legit with a config like that you could eventually fully upgrade everything, and if someone wanted to re-purpose the old gear they could do it with relative ease. It's funny, you often don't appreciate what you have until it's gone. That's not to say this old Dell was great or anything as a performer/value option for the day... but this gave you options.
@megashilba
2 жыл бұрын
I have always loved seeing evolutions of computers and how OEMs building thought process has changed. What you should do is have subscribers who have dells through the years from now to back to 2008 and see the progression and where they stopped using standard
@MadScientistsLair
2 жыл бұрын
These boxes, and the Micro ATX Dell Dimension systems (Dimension 4600 especially!) that preceded them were probably Dell's zenith for serviceability. There are still quite a few of them kicking around and they're a favorite in the retro gaming community for a cheap/free Windows XP rig because of their availability, repairability and customizability. They're not retro enough to be collectable yet (they're solidly in the "eWaste" category still) but they still run all the late 90s and 2000s games that might be a bit cranky on a new rig without too much fuss. (For the rest of us, there's GOG but what's the fun in that?) Dell was bad before these good rigs showed up though. In the late 90s they had a "Dell ATX" setup on things like the Dimension XPS towers where everything was more or less standard EXCEPT the pinout on the PSU. The plug would fit but destruction was almost certain if an ATX PSU and "Dell ATX" mobo met or vice versa. These rigs were gorgeous inside with a full ATX form factor mobo and very good components save for that darn PSU pinout. And yes, Dell got flack for it back then too. PC Power & Cooling was the only company that made a compatible aftermarket PSU for these systems. In the mid 90s when under monitor desktops were still popular, they had their own variant of the long dead LPX form factor that used a PSU that appeared to be an ATX v1.0 PSU but provided 5V and 12V for the positive rails instead of 3.3, 5 and 12V. Cross connections with ATX here were also potentially disastrous. Standard LPX boxes used an baby AT style PSU. At least Dell had the excuse of saying that their PSU provided soft power functionality whereas standard LPX only had a hardware AC power switch. (Remember the "It is now safe to turn of your computer" message? These Dell LPX systems from 1995-1996 were some of the first PCs that could turn themselves off after the OS shut down.) These "Dell LPX" were solid performers but nothing, including the drive mounting was standard. If you wanted to add a CD-ROM, you had to call Dell and order some damn rails because they couldn't be content with just allowing the user to use screws. Dell has used a myriad of other proprietary BS form factors including variations on BTX and the infamous hot box clamshell towers which always seemed to get their latches stuck. Sadly, those proprietary clamshell towers were made at the same time as the extremely serviceable Dimension 4600 so you couldn't tell someone to "just get a Dell" and have them come home with a repairable rig. I made a LOT of money as a kid changing capacitors on those clamshell rigs because new mobos were INSANE from Dell. As for who started the proprietary 12VO PSUs on mainstream computers....I blame HP as I saw this setup on their business rigs first, the EliteDesk from the early 2010s to be specific.
@floodmaster
2 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty funny video for me, since when I decided to "upgrade" my old system I actually bought an Optiplex 3010 from 2012 (I like the way it looks) and all I did was upgrade the PSU, Ram, put an SSD in, and put a 980ti in it and it keeps up pretty well with the games I want to play. I could only do this because Dell thankfully didn't decide to do some proprietary BS with the PSU connector like they have in the past. All in all it was about $600 and it runs really well, hilarious to see how I dodged all the BS with the new dells.
@Erdie5
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who still supports a few dozen d530 SFF HP computers, there is one thing I certainly enjoy about the newer designs. More polymer capacitors, less electrolytics. I've recapped more d530's than I've ever wanted to. There's around 40 total, and about half of them are prone to failure. Yuck.
@johns1625
Жыл бұрын
9:51 Looks like #4 Lg Horse bottom with suction cup base
@ocularcavity8412
2 жыл бұрын
The Vostro series was actually DECENT I have built many sleeper budget gaming rigs from those back when GPU'S existed and no be hypothetical concepts and they kicked sometime needed a new MB cause dells would RANDOM reject GPU'S for some reason but an Intel board is usually only $39away on ebay
@bobby0081
2 жыл бұрын
I had an XPS 400 and it was a BTX motherboard but it had a huge cooler and the power supply was standard. It was my first pc I ever bought new.
@123456svp
2 жыл бұрын
8:58 Video card is so old that we don’t remember the name lol it look like an ati Radeon HD 2400 pro but a Dell version lol
@DrivenKeys
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this detailed video. Back in 2002, I was very proud that I had a Dell PC that was better designed than the competition. It was my first desktop, and I was able to learn the basics through upgrading it before graduating to system building. Wow, how far they've compromised. I absoutely agree their current desktops are just terrible e-waste for the uneducated. Such a shame.
@Thanatos2996
2 жыл бұрын
What's the issue with using that phallic object to hold the fan? Assuming it stays in place, the rubber is tooless and would provide some isolation for vibrations, so I'd think it'd be a very slight upgrade.
@J2J_Trini
Жыл бұрын
I had a Dell dimension 2400 as my first pc although it wasn't a gaming pc it was more than sufficient for the time....sad to see all this time after it didn't get any better
@vratislavi
2 жыл бұрын
You should get a mini philips screwdriver. It's much more convenient for unscrewing easy to access screws in PCs.
@creamthelapin
2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of what's been going on is, old guys who actually know how to design and build OEM systems retire, new focus is on KPI and designed/built by people who just need a job, so nobody cares.
@BeeWaifu
2 жыл бұрын
I dump all my electronics into a recycling park. In fact, I dump most everything there. It's quick and it doesn't cost anything. No it's not a landfill. You have to separate everything into specific containers.
@krusha14
2 жыл бұрын
Okay I daily drove a vostro 400 (Compaq Mobo) until 2019 with an AMD AthalonII 280. I was able to game on the damn thing, upgrade it and keep it alive for 11 years. If I bought that G500 or whatever the hell it is I'd toss it before I finished unboxing. At least the damn optiplex series (which is when the proprietary trash really started with the stupid front panel connections and itty bitty PSU) you could rehome them to another case (with effort) making room for a psu that is useful and adding a GPU thats resonalbe (GTX650 anyone?) Dell's regression is absolutely UNREAL, HP at least was always crap, you knew what to expect.
@teslafan6591
Жыл бұрын
I have got a 1996 Dell Optiplex GL5100 in it's original configuration.
@malibuclassic77
Жыл бұрын
If you don’t have optical drives and you open the flaps while gaming there’s decent inflow that way.
@chrisrudi7162
10 ай бұрын
I still have the Dell Optiplex GX260 and a T3500 workstation, which are real tanks. Robust, you can open and replace everything without screws and have even the smallest numbers to analyze the postal process. Really good quality. In contrast, the Vostro looks cheap with its thin, careless sheet metal. It's a shame that Dell builds machines like this today. They are probably trying to retain customers by forcing them to buy expensive, suitable replacement parts from Dell. This prevents third-party use or further use of standardized parts. The PCs are often gutted and the inner workings replaced. That's exactly what Dell doesn't want, but rather you should buy a new PC.
@WaifuDiver
2 жыл бұрын
0:10 If the quality of Dell computers are the standard by which the progress of humanity is measured we are doomed as a species.
@aleksandrbmelnikov
2 жыл бұрын
Halfwit: I need com-poo-ter that gehts internet. Dell: Hello!
@YTcommenter712
2 жыл бұрын
Dell went back in time to fix everything after the G5 review, clearly. They wanted to aim higher than the "Better Than Dell" award.
@LokiCDK
2 жыл бұрын
*sees the fan retaining device* Oh look, it's a tiny model of the Blue Origin rocket.
@sarahskileth6925
2 жыл бұрын
I know my Dell Inspiron 560 is pretty good for a pre-built PC. Still have it and it still works
@edups1
2 жыл бұрын
The last dell I played on was 2006 ish with hola 1
@thefatmoop
2 жыл бұрын
I think everyone would prefer the silicone fan holders over screws... but screw dell shady corp
@goll4m
Жыл бұрын
If we don't throw components away via landfill we'll never have Battle Angel Alita in the future
@trailduster6bt
Жыл бұрын
The on board IDE support already makes the old Dell superior to the G5000
@mariastevens6406
2 жыл бұрын
Dell used to be the go-to for a household standard PC. But it's been decades since then.
@zackdl
2 жыл бұрын
That vostro is identical to the one i used as my daily rig from 2007 until 2015. LMAO
@NinjaForHire
2 жыл бұрын
Dells man focus isn't the consumer anymore it's Enterprise software and hardware servers and VMware so you can probably divulge from that the reason why things like this are happening the PC market just isn't what it used to be since like 2013 it died everyone uses a smartphone now virtual machines and cloud computing.
@thebluelunarmonkey
2 жыл бұрын
Truth. My contract with Dell EMC ended almost a year ago and most everything going thru intercompany accounting is server based. Their PC is more for corporate use laptops and fewer PCs that will never be upgrade, more likely refreshed to a new computer in 3-5 years, and acquisitions in client companies signing off on over priced stuff (not their money). One good perk working at round rock was they had the latest toys out in the commons area - huge glass area where you could go play console games (Dell sells x-box) and stuff like that.... I never tried anything out though. They paid well enough on my contract I took the year off afterwards... still on vacation :)
@NinjaForHire
2 жыл бұрын
@@thebluelunarmonkey well sounds like you have a great career my guy. I have wanted to get into a computing field for all my life pretty much alot of hold backs I have the skills and no nepotism. That sort of field can really take you places Im glad you have some good experiences sounds wonderful.
@thebluelunarmonkey
2 жыл бұрын
@@NinjaForHire It's been a wild ride. enlisted programmer in the air force, leading to commissioned officer in financial management, to specialty property insurance, to accounting information systems for the past 9 years.... sort of a merger between accounting degree/experience and programming (altho dated now) background. Back when I was in college before the usaf, I was going for EE degree. Can't say a computing field is all that great anymore since it's been outsourced heavily. VS say a trade career as an electrician that eventually owns his own contracting company with zero fear of outsourcing. Was a pretty big ego boost when my co-workers said afterwards, they were looking for months with someone for my level of experience in a very small niche AIS area where I was one of two who even applied...the other had 1/3d the experience as I did. On to the next client when I'm ready :)
@EvilSnipa
2 жыл бұрын
The only thing worth doing with a dell is checking Email.
@S.A.L.666
Жыл бұрын
i would like to see testing with the computer i used to have... the Dell XPS 420 desktop...
@gex581990
Жыл бұрын
Yeah they used to be much better. My dad kinda got me into PC’s and back in the day he’d just buy a pre-built like that then would upgrade it but over time that wasn’t possible anymore
@nendemenne6686
Жыл бұрын
When i compare it to my dell inspiron with an athlon the chasis is the exact same just the plastic is different
@JeffreyPiatt
2 жыл бұрын
This probably isn't fair since the G5 is a Consumer grade PC and the older Volstro is a Business PC. The Volstro line came out when I wad doing Dell field repairs and they were basically aimed at small business and used more standard cases and a Intel or AMD co design motherboard. The optiplex line used Intel spec motherboards.
@Lishtenbird
2 жыл бұрын
So in other words, the new Dell can't even get the "it's better than Dell" award?
@Scyth3934
2 жыл бұрын
haha
@pandemicneetbux2110
2 жыл бұрын
The funniest thing to me watching this is before he even opened the damn case I was immediately going "no it's definitely better" because I actually had an old Dell PC from right before around the time Dell went completely to shit circa the 2012-2014 era. All my shit was standardized from back in the Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge era, including the power supply, board, basically everything wrong with the new Dells wasn't wrong back then, in fact I don't even think my old system was loaded with nearly as much bloatware (it didn't come with the good old software packages either though just like windows media player, notepad, mspaint). The funny thing is Dell actually wouldn't be a bad power company if they stuck with making power supplies. Somehow my filth encrusted PSU from nearly a decade ago kept working right up until getting a new system. Its power supplies are beyond just "it's fine." It's like the one last component they didn't fuck up for some reason. They did indeed use to be quite shit with boards however. My old board had NO heatsink over the southbridge and NO sinks over the paltry VRMs, which is exactly why shitty old Dells are locked at the BIOS level, which is meaning if you get an ancient Dell even you can't just swap out the crappy i5 or whatever and stuck an unlocked i7 in there and overclock it because there's no real way around the locked down BIOS. Which is just as well I suppose because those shite VRMs are going to cause a fire if you overclock on them anyway.
@adnelortiz
2 жыл бұрын
More like: The old Dell gets the "it's better than the new Dell". Award ^_^
@TestECull
2 жыл бұрын
@@pandemicneetbux2110 They locked the BIOS down because they didn't want you buying the cheapest model and tweaking a few settings to make it perform as well as a model several hundred dollars more expensive.
@aegisofhonor
2 жыл бұрын
that's a burn, lol. I think Michael Dell himself felt that one sting.
@lichen2908
2 жыл бұрын
What an honor to get a (relatively favorable) review 14 years after launching the Vostro 400! A big thanks from the team at (the former) Dell China Design Center that launched this PC. The real sad story about the first-gen Vostro was that we worked on an AMD (when K8 was still competitive) version right till the end, but the product was cancelled at the 11th hour.
@chiwbaka
2 жыл бұрын
Yo this needs to be bumped to the top!
@davidshepherd265
2 жыл бұрын
You guys built a solid product. I bought my Studio 540 (basically the same machine but with a different CPU, RAM and graphics and Vista) in early 2009 after my Dimension 2350 had its power supply take out the motherboard. It still lives on today as my HTPC, I replaced the power supply about 10 years ago, and its been through a couple of DVD drives, but otherwise it hasn't skipped a beat.
@EnwardHiggins
2 жыл бұрын
Tiananmen
@Rahkoi
2 жыл бұрын
@@EnwardHiggins Could be funny if you weren't just harassing a random chinese citizen who could be anywhere in the world now lmao
@jesseg7757
2 жыл бұрын
Dell towers have NEVER been worth a crap. Paper-thin aluminum cases that flex, proprietary hardware/power-supplies. Horrible stuff. You're interpreting "tolerable" with "favorable" (and neither of those is "good". The only decent product dell makes is rackmount servers, and occasionally they produce a passable laptop.
@chadmckean9026
2 жыл бұрын
I do not recall when it was but at one point dell was using a standard 24pin header with a custom pint out, really fun to watch the board smoke when you replace the psu
@whelmy
2 жыл бұрын
they did that for quite awhile and it lead to many dead systems or psu's back in the day iirc. I never understood why either, it would have cost them MORE to have a normal psu custom wired and an otherwise say cookie cutter Intel 440BX motherboard with the only difference with it being wired for that specific psu.
@nicksimkins
2 жыл бұрын
My sister uses a 9010 optiplex with i7-3770 and it has a standard 24 pin. The newer haswell ones (9020) had a non-standard mobo connector
@willjohnsonjohnson
2 жыл бұрын
I remember Compaq doing the same thing. Luckily for me it tripped the PSU protection and nothing died.
@ajcball
2 жыл бұрын
The 'non standard' components are clearly used to drive down cost - they sell way more servers than desktops so economically makes sense to use the same PSU etc. Server components tend to be fairly reliable also. I haven't done it, but would be interesting to see overall cost comparison of pre built Vs a budget custom built with same specs for all these pre builds you have done (sorry if this has been done already!). The ewaste point is fair, I gradually replace bits of my system over the years. I still have a backup system that uses a 10yr old intel mobo/CPU and it works fine. It's just not in their interest I guess
@dubselectorr345
2 жыл бұрын
@@nicksimkins Bunch of garbage.
@utsuhoreiuji2309
2 жыл бұрын
Then: "Dude, you're getting a Dell!" Now: "Dude? You're getting a Dell?"
@psiklops71
2 жыл бұрын
i smoked some pot dude i went to Jail free Dell
@tomferguson9250
2 жыл бұрын
"Dude...uh...Dell..." **
@SuperShermanTanker
2 жыл бұрын
This comment is perfect 🤣🤣
@First-Name_Last-Name
2 жыл бұрын
WWE: Hell in a Cell DELL, post-2020: Hell in a Dell
@johnnyguillotine1673
2 жыл бұрын
@@First-Name_Last-Name Id trust Mick Foley building a case over dell, and most likely Foley has been hit with it, fallen on it, or been blown up with it
@hazonku
2 жыл бұрын
Even the old Dell gets the "Well, it's better than Dell." Award.
@hman6159
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@FireJamUSA
2 жыл бұрын
In the late 90s and early 2000's I always recommended dell to my clients because their products were always tested well and they would use descent components. They also had great on site support for my larger clients that could afford it. Its sad to see the crap their dishing out now. Thanks for the video.
@nickn7939
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't too into computers back in the early 2000's, but my schoolmates were, and I remember them always talking smack about dell.
@smushles19
Жыл бұрын
I thought Dell were supposed to be pretty good computers too (having been told that in the early 2000s). I've always had Dell computers/laptops and they've been fine, but i'm not much of a gamer.
@goldenhate6649
7 ай бұрын
I mean for standard house use, not bad in the early 2000’s. Attrocious for gaming, but not bad outside. Now, the whole company is e-waste
@lyingpancake95
2 жыл бұрын
Actually Dell has improved a lot at cheaping out on their components. Really helps with their margins.
@Jimster481
2 жыл бұрын
nah its just that the Vostro he is looking at was $2k+ and his new machine is $900. Considering the value of the dollar has fallen greatly from 2008 to 2021 the $900 machine would have been like $500 and the $2000 machine would have been like $3800.
@Jake-mz2qf
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jimster481 the value of computers has also come down a lot since then (and then went back up a bit in 2021)
@luckyowl10
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jimster481 Vostro may be an expensive business line of PCs, but a 14 years old PC shouldn't be better built than a new one from the same company...
@ShmuckTheUnfunny
2 жыл бұрын
The late 2021 Alienware desktop is actually the current G5 / XPS / Inspiron / Vostro chassis dolled up in plastic with a higher watt psu. Impressive that they essentially sell the same case with different hardware (and same software).
@Mr.Morden
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like at the very least Dell could put their own weird motherboards and PSUs in there but still make the case compatible with standard ATX and mATX by providing the requisite screw holes and mounting points. There are plenty of aftermarket enthusiast cases that expand upon the basic ATX spec and do it without breaking compatibility.
@hermdude
2 жыл бұрын
Dell in 2008: Decisions made by engineers. Dell in 2021: Decisions made by accountants.
@mostevil1082
2 жыл бұрын
They were always cheap. They just got better at being worse.
@BasedAstraea
2 жыл бұрын
@@mostevil1082 Cheap but at least cared, now they just don't care anymore.
@BasedAstraea
2 жыл бұрын
Basically Intel for the past 10 years until now.
@marcogenovesi8570
2 жыл бұрын
@@BasedAstraea The process here is "cost-optimization", the more time goes on the more they find corners to cut
@JosephArata
2 жыл бұрын
@@marcogenovesi8570 There's a difference between being anti-consumer, and cost cutting. Also devising a way to make your customers always buy new products because fixing the old one is impossible through cost or obscurity, is anti-consumer. I can assure you, Dell isn't engineering their motherboards and cases purely for "cost-optimization" they can do that in the parts choices they have for the primary PC components, then make it all back by over-charging you for it. The engineering department is being instructed to make the motherboard and cases easier to assemble on a factory line and non-standard so they can force the customer to buy new hardware every 5-6 years after something fails outside warranty.
@psivewri
2 жыл бұрын
That Vostro 400 is bringing back so many memories!
@timhartherz5652
2 жыл бұрын
I remember hacksawing a Classic "blowhole" into the sidepanel, so it doesn't overheat after upgrading one of them with a better GPU. Was a pretty popular upgrade for the forner family computer/hand-me-down: bigger PSU, new GPU, a side mounted fan with a metal mesh.
@mortenee88
2 жыл бұрын
@@timhartherz5652 I'm not sure if this works on the Vostro 400 but some of them can be overclocked from 266mhz fsb up to 333 with a simple mod also.
@timhartherz5652
2 жыл бұрын
@@mortenee88 every little bit helps for the broke student, some had to make do with the original PSU, leaving the side panel open and putting a deskfan next to it. This and similar models stayed around for quite some time.
@my_4_brain_cells
2 жыл бұрын
I have a old vosto so still running strong after 10 years. Still somehow putting out acceptable fps.
@19smkl91
2 жыл бұрын
@@timhartherz5652 yeah back then it was basic setup to take side panel off and put a 10" fan blowing in or play with laptop on "no-mouse" servers with touchpad or thinkpad nipple.
@Daz555Daz
Жыл бұрын
I can never forgive Dell and HP et al for the janky angle of the CPU fan alone. UNFORGIVABLE!
@leehongjin6884
Жыл бұрын
Lenovo does it too
@mndlessdrwer
2 жыл бұрын
As kinda trash as their cases were back in the day, I still love their 2000's computer vibe. It's always fun to see people who are dedicated to the cause heavily modify them in order to build super sleeper PCs.
@HectorQuien
Ай бұрын
Doing that now with an OptiPlex 780. It currently has an Intel e7500 Core2 Duo OC'd to 3.65Ghz using the BSEL electrical tape mod to circumvent the locked down BIOS. 1TB Samsung Evo 870 SSD, 16GB dual rank, dual channel DDR3 RAM running at 7-7-7-20 clocks. Running Windows 10 Pro and a plethora of Linux Distros without so much as a hiccup. Waiting for an EVGA GTX 1650 4GB DDR6 GPU that's currently on it's way and about to order an Intel Q9650 Core2 Quad just to max everything out possible. Oh and an upgraded cpu cooler just for shits and giggles. Tinkering is fun, especially on older stuff. Funny how such an old Dell can still keep up.
@RonnieDeuce87
2 жыл бұрын
I guess the old saying "they don't build them like they use to" applies to Dell computers as well
@mouaxiong8618
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't they switch caps and mosfets during the old pc production? There was a lawsuit of them blowing up. So it's built great but ruined it by switching out the good stuff with crappy stuff midway of making it.
@bodgemaster7946
2 жыл бұрын
Uhhhh... I disagree. I have a Dell from 2004 sitting here somewhere and it’s built the same way the modern example is built. Actually, even more proprietary parts bc the fan on that ting is also proprietary.
@willjohnsonjohnson
2 жыл бұрын
@@mouaxiong8618 Capacitor Plague. It's wasn't just Dell. Capacitors were dying everywhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
@JVHShack
2 жыл бұрын
@@bodgemaster7946 If you're talking about the rear case fan, it's not exactly proprietary. It's a 90mm which is still widely available.
@LonelySpaceDetective
2 жыл бұрын
Remember when Dell was originally formed in the '80s and they targeted enthusiasts (in addition to businesses)? I wasn't even born then so I wouldn't know if they sold *good* computers, but they certainly sound like they used to be a top-tier prebuilt manufacturer.
@jwest88
2 жыл бұрын
"dell is the best friend money can buy" is indeed a quote from Intel. From internal emails at the time when they were bribing companies like Dell to not use better amd cpus. I'm surprised amd survived what Intel and Nvidia have put them through.
@Mavendow
2 жыл бұрын
AMD _won_ the lawsuit that nearly destroyed their company. That's how impressively destructive Intel's campaign was.
@ZudeXbox360
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mavendow how destructive, like slamming a sledge hammer and cleanly removing the jaw destructive?
@Mavendow
2 жыл бұрын
@@ZudeXbox360 Intel didn't just go after AMD, they went after AMD's partners and vendors too, locking them into exclusivity deals specifically to break AMD's supply chain. For their behavior, Intel got sanctioned by multiple arms of the U.S. government. Which is unheard of even for horrid companies like Monsanto.
@shanez1215
2 жыл бұрын
I'm an AMD investor so I may be biased, but this is why I get frustrated how people are quickly declaring Intel the underdog that we should throw our support behind because AMD raised prices by a hundred bucks (even though their motherboards are cheaper). If it it wasn't for AMD we'd still be paying 1000 bucks for a 6 core. Intel has pulled so much pigfuckery in the past it's insane.
@larrygall5831
2 жыл бұрын
@@shanez1215 Well said. That new 12900 would likely be at least $1500. Intel is using AMD price tags on their products today.
@mxmoondoggie895
2 жыл бұрын
There was actually a time when buying a Dell would get you a reasonably good system and a GPU upgrade could turn it into a really decent gaming rig. It was a fairly short time but it existed....I guess when big profits came in the company moved to making more profits with cheaper parts and spending the money on marketing instead of offering the good system deals that gained them profits.
@parkinsaw
Жыл бұрын
Yep I was lucky to get mine during that period. Windows 98 SE period, it also came with Altec Lansing speakers/subwoofer thing was a beast. (Could shake the house) System was able to handle Half-life when it first came out (yes at one point half-life was demanding lol) *Very early Dell had ridiculous parts surprised they actually made money lol. Kind of like Alienware back in the day.
@ferna182
2 жыл бұрын
witnessing the downfall of Dell is actually quite sad. I remember blindingly recommending everybody to buy Dell computers because it was a guarantee that everything would be fine. That was such a long time ago tho... My first laptop was actually a Dell Vostro 1510 from like 2008 which still works to this day. It was so good.
@Claeys67
2 жыл бұрын
_"Sometimes the news is sad, and so we wanted to cheer everyone up by checking on the progress of the human race."_ *OOF.*
@WaifuDiver
2 жыл бұрын
“By looking at two Dell computers.” Even worse lol 😂
@ArtisChronicles
2 жыл бұрын
I dunno about you, but those words definitely cheered me up. Especially with the content of the rest of the video.
@LookingGlass69
2 жыл бұрын
By every communist the human race degrades a decade.
@HighVoltageMadness
2 жыл бұрын
I find it funny how they still use the exact same cheap OEM aluminum heatsink fan for 13 years
@S8ER
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe someone got a good deal and ordered waaaaaaaay too many of them 😂
@Linkedblade
2 жыл бұрын
for low end cpu's they aren't bad. a block of aluminum is a block of aluminum
@09lifehack
2 жыл бұрын
Same as HP I just custom built a haunted Halloween house party off the floor style desktop computer with those hockey puck 1st GEN i3-530 cpu coolered motherboard HP SFF kzitem.info/news/bejne/q3ln24OmZmmZqIY kzitem.info/news/bejne/xqSsy4aNeqmjq5w
@HappyBeezerStudios
2 жыл бұрын
For something like a 65W chip they sure do, at least bigger than the Intel boxed fans they put on the 65W class back then. Obviously that only works if the chip really only draws 65W and not 130
@aboveaverageengineer3001
2 жыл бұрын
13+ maybe
@nigel2187
2 жыл бұрын
"They're evolving, just backwards."
@alexmills1329
2 жыл бұрын
It’s like watching dinosaurs become chickens in a single lifetime
@Zarcondeegrissom
2 жыл бұрын
to paraphrase Timov, "they have changed, they've devolved."
@Zarcondeegrissom
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexmills1329 other way, dinosaurs to primordial ooze, lol.
@Velaxity
2 жыл бұрын
Devolving..
@Ender275
2 жыл бұрын
Return to monke
@WildkatPhoto
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Dell Studio XPS with an i7 970 and it is almost 100% standard parts. Dell didnt always suck and in fact the XPS used to be the hidden gem in the lineup. They were often as good or even better than the Alienware ones for much less. You dint get the cool "gamer" case but you got performance....and standard parts.
@ghjong001
2 жыл бұрын
Same, but with an i7-920. The PSU did die after about 5 years, but because it was a standard ATX, it was easy to replace. Airflow sucked, but this was before GN existed. Also the custom wiring for the front panel was a pain to move into a new case.
@pandemicneetbux2110
2 жыл бұрын
This was true even as late as 2012, 2013. I think it was round about 2014 that they started sticking things like non-standard motherboard power and such in there. Pretty sure you could still get a working XPS system with a like i7 4770 in it and it'd be functional for gaming even to today for the most part. Its main problem always was the same as today which is few people outside what might as well be called boutique SIs actually bothered to not put trash boards in there, in fact I just saw some video where I was impressed by the SI using a Tuf x570 which I thought was unfairly glossed over by the reviewer because over time like 80% of your problems are going to come down to the board. Bad CPU? Check the socket. Slow RAM? Need to overclock? Want an SLI rig? Need more storage? It almost always comes down to the cheapness of the board and its generation. In the case of an old XPS, yes, you often could just swap out the highest end CPU on that socket, get something like a new cooler say a 92mm Arctic which will fit inside the case, throw in some extra RAM, swap out the graphics card, and presto you've still get a modern gaming system which can in theory play the newest demanding titles.
@slowrungames7612
2 жыл бұрын
@@pandemicneetbux2110 You should be able to do such, but Dell, HP and Sony were dicks about it and made proprietary BIOS which limited options on most of their motherboards. You can build a PC with all consumer parts but have a BIOS chip on the MB which limits functionality; that is the old game of Dell, HP and Sony.
@subarusympathizer
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still using mine, since I've been able to continue upgrading it. I put it in a better case, better power supply, added a new graphics card, and replaced the i7 920 with an i7 990X. It's awesome how standardized this PC is.
@FaustusV1
2 жыл бұрын
Dell studio xps 8100 user here. i7 860. Replaced the PSU,The GPU (Had a gtx 460,got a 6gb 1060) and added 2 SSD's.
@JefferyMiller21
2 жыл бұрын
WOW! Does this mean the old Dell gets the coveted "Better than Dell" award!
@KingEurope1
2 жыл бұрын
It's good to see a channel advocate responsible repairability rather then advocate replacing perfectly good, working power supplies just because their sponsor is a power supply manufacturer.
@TrueThanny
2 жыл бұрын
The Q6600 was Intel's second "glued together" processor. That was two Core 2 Duo chips on the same package. Only without any actual glue - they had to communicate solely through the front side bus, which means any signals from one die to the other would have to go down the socket pins, onto the front side bus, then back up the socket pins. Their first was the Pentium D, which was two single-core Pentium 4 dies on a single package. Same lack of logical glue. In both cases, multi-threaded performance suffered due to the lack of proper communication between cores. Something you could easily see when comparing to the genuine multi-core CPU's from AMD in that time period. That aside, at least the Q6600 had decent performance on the whole, being an evolution of the Pentium 3, unlike the absolutely atrocious Pentium 4.
@OnTheRocks71
2 жыл бұрын
I vividly remember when the C2D and C2Q were introduced. Heck, it almost feels like yesterday even though it was 15 years ago. They were such a a leap in performance and efficiency over Netburst that it stunned a lot of people. Along with the Pentium M's in mobile, Intel was setup to ride high for years.
@MTNDEWGANG
2 жыл бұрын
Q660's was my friends budget chip until he upgraded to the g4560 and now is running Ryzen 9, talk about a leap
@Vatharian
2 жыл бұрын
VIA had (well, has) x86 license for all x86 designs up to Pentium 3. I remember tech journalists making fun of VIA for not even trying to acquire one Pentium 4 design. And lo and behold, it lived on up until Nehalem. In the mean time Via turned P3 into multi-threaded, multicore low power CPU - it was just better material.
@Nick-ue7iw
2 жыл бұрын
@@OnTheRocks71 1.86 GHz launch core 2 could match the performance of the pentium d 965 emergency edition, running at 3.73 ghz and pulling roughly 1.83 jigawatts of power. Jaw dropping, and those were spanked by the e8000 series just 20 months later.
@ToolofSociety
2 жыл бұрын
A few years ago I replaced two overclocked q6600 systems with sff hp i5-3470 systems. The q6600 systems used $12 ebay CPUs that ran at about 4 ghz with air cooling (old coolermaster hyper 212s with AS5 paste). I used them for multiboxing games and they were still holding up surprisingly well despite being on 24/7 running at 100% in the deep southern Texas heat. Despite using hd5770s they pulled almost 300 watts EACH from the wall and were space heaters.. Could almost keep my living room warm in winter almost purely by folding on those machines. It kind of blows my mind that my current setup can run games full screen full load and use 300 watts or less TOTAL. The setups being a ryzen 5 3600 system with 32gb ram 1tb nvme ssd 3x 1tb spinner with a GTX 970. A HP/compaq SFF business machine with an i7-3770 16gb with 2x 1tb drives and a gt1030 2gb gddr5. another HP/compaq SFF with i5-3470 8gb ram hd7570 1tb and 2tb spinners. It's amazing how much more efficient modern CPUs are. EDIT : If you were wondering you can see the screen of one of the q6600 machines in the three eve videos I posted that showed all the screens while I was boxing (the top screen). OBS was NOT kind to the q6600 machines or my primary machine which was a fx6300 based system. Those Q6600s were damned good performance for the price on the used market +8 years ago.
@somerandomvertebrate9262
Жыл бұрын
Used to think that Dell made pretty solid computers until I began watching your videos. That's because I was last updated on Dell back in about 2008, which to me, being an older guy, actually isn't that long ago. 😄
@Warp3326
Жыл бұрын
Dell computers are good. Just not the super powerful gaming ones. As you can see in the video.
@somerandomvertebrate9262
Жыл бұрын
@@Warp3326 Thanks for the clarification! 👍
@Warp3326
Жыл бұрын
@@somerandomvertebrate9262 Yes. I think if you get a more basic dell computer you'll be fine. I'm using a dell computer right now and its lasted a good 3 years. It's just a basic dell desktop though. Costed around $750
@Warp3326
Жыл бұрын
@@somerandomvertebrate9262 Sorry to reply again but if you're looking for a powerful computer such as a gaming computer or a powerful office computer stay away.
@Klovaneer
Жыл бұрын
@@Warp3326 750 bux is gaming territory for me as i just built a pretty good PC out of pastgen parts for that (Z390 with 8700k and 1080ti, i could go for lower tier stuff and cut cost even more but i wanted those CPU and GPU). There could be an arguement for commercial desktops as i just spent a year overhauling (among other things) a fleet (100+) of 7th gen HP 290s that could be cannibalized in case anything failed in them (but nothing did, they were all champs and just needed ram and storage upgrades) but for personal use? No. Fucking. Way.
@cmdrclassified
2 жыл бұрын
When Dell can't even get an "It's better than Dell" award!
@Zarcondeegrissom
2 жыл бұрын
no Dell award, just the Timov "You've Devolved!" award, lol.
@user-ke1gn3ql1g
2 жыл бұрын
Ctrl+C Ctrl+v
@simasimson5798
2 жыл бұрын
Hats off to Dell, making the "it's better than dell" score easier to achieve for other companies. If nothing else, they are a team player.
@MrMattumbo
2 жыл бұрын
Hey I had that old Dell as my first computer, well mine was from 2007 and silver. I loved that thing, it and the dell monitor I got with it lasted me almost a decade and it still sits in my room because I can't bring myself to get rid of it. Despite my fond memories though I'll never buy a Dell again, it's insane how much they've regressed since the late 2000s.
@cdos9186
2 жыл бұрын
Something wrong with the poor thing? If so those machines are so easy to repair it is amazing but they just get outdated, a lot of times when they are thrown out it is just due to being old sadly.
@potatoes5829
2 жыл бұрын
@@cdos9186 old motherboards are an absolute pain to find and generally overpriced.
@cdos9186
2 жыл бұрын
@@potatoes5829 Annoying how the people that know what they are want ridiculous prices for them and most of the time people that have no clue what it is they just end up getting thrown out. : (
@MetaDrow
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, good job Dell... from 2008, you get "its better than Dell" award. And current Dell gets the "POS e-waste champion" award
@Zarcondeegrissom
2 жыл бұрын
that award may have a Timov addition now, lol. "You've Devolved! POS e-waste champion" award, lol.
@robertlawrence9000
2 жыл бұрын
When you said "Timeless" I picture a guy in a black and white film moving at a slightly faster rate than normal, smoking a cigarette while he's putting together the new Dells. I can imagine a narrator in the background with a classy voice saying "Since before the turn of the century, Dell has been a pioneer and innovator of high quality portable computers at affordable prices." 🤣🤣🤣
@Operational117
2 жыл бұрын
And then a fast-forward narration showing a landfill topped with tons of Dell G5 5000-series computers thrown as e-waste, with a new, younger narrator saying “Unfortunately, times have changed, and Dell has fallen far from its pinnacle of invention.”
@daviddebroux4708
2 жыл бұрын
I hate how I accurately depicted that in my head.
@campersruincod6134
2 жыл бұрын
@@daviddebroux4708 same hahaha
@Zacks.C-land
2 жыл бұрын
My mind read all the quotes in this thread in old timey news reel narrator voice 😅. Couldn’t help but add my own timeless contribution. 😂 [grainy news reel begin…] “Yes it’s a hay day at Dell, with rapid fire sales and a decent reputation in hand. Here we see Dell’s crack team of innovators busy with new technology and standardized form factors. Over here we see actual customer service taking place… optimism abounds here! what a time to be alive folks.” [news reel ends]
@daviddebroux4708
2 жыл бұрын
@@Zacks.C-land This cursed thread just became _more_ cursed.
@madcrowmaxwell
2 жыл бұрын
IIRC, this was a point in time when Dell had specifically stepped up the quality of their builds, shifted towards more standardized components, etc specifically because of the blowback they were getting in the late 90s/early 2000s.
@IncertusetNescio
2 жыл бұрын
So they're repeating history it looks like. Wonder when they'll get the blowback this time.
@jonathanellis6097
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so old I remember this. They probably think people are not looking anymore, or haven't been paying attention for enough time they would give it a go again.
@madcrowmaxwell
2 жыл бұрын
@@IncertusetNescio Consumer desktop makes up such a small part of Dell sales that the answer is probably "never". The overwhelming majority of desktop sales at the major OEMs are corporate desktops with service contracts.
@SlenderSmurf
2 жыл бұрын
@@IncertusetNescio the type of person to buy one of these now will not look inside. The blowback will not come.
@x8jason8x
2 жыл бұрын
They're using cases they mass produced in the 90's still, never mind the type of things they do to make sure you have as much trouble as possible upgrading or fixing one. E-waste champs, 3 decades running.
@RixceU
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Only criticism may be that you're not comparing oranges to oranges. The Vostro is the "small business" line (step up from consumer grade Dimension at the time, or Inspiron tower now, but below the real business line, OptiPlex). I'd be interested to see a comparison to a current day Vostro or OptiPlex. The G series is just a consumer grade machine and I wouldn't expect it to be much more than disposable. I also feel the quality of Dell ProSupport vs. consumer support is vastly better. But totally agree with the disappointing direction Dell and other OEMs are headed, seems no one makes good consumer grade pre-builts and they're all spiraling toward the bottom.
@zacharywelvaert2235
2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to test that old power supply. See if there is any degradation with age
@pandemicneetbux2110
2 жыл бұрын
Old Dell power supplies were pretty indesctructible.
@DonStafo
2 жыл бұрын
@@pandemicneetbux2110 i had two computers(no dell) with liteon psu and both worked more than a decade and would still work if those other components didnt die.
@zarmaanful
2 жыл бұрын
The lite-on PSU featured actually is good HP used this platform of PSU as well. These have OST caps, better than Capxon but below Teapo quality. Had Passive PFC. Good circuit topology/design
@_bravo_8581
2 жыл бұрын
Back in early 2000's this was how my friends and I gamed. We bought these premade PC's because they were a decent price for teens on a budget. All you had to do through the years was upgrade your gpu or ram.
@tomweyts
2 жыл бұрын
You can actually still do this with some brands, here in europe we got that ALDI brand Medion. All normal Parts , i bought one with a 5600g in it 16gb ram and slapped a 1650 super in it for a friends. Runs perfect
@ManOfAttitudeLP1998
2 жыл бұрын
I also had an optiplex and crt monitor in the 2000s but the optiplex was one of that flat laying cases it had like 1gb ddr1 ram and a pentium 4
@empi2597
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomweyts i bought one and send it back this october, since it was literally garbage, first it came with a kink in the watercooling tube because the cooler was mounted wrongly then the OS was installed on the HDD storage instead of the SSD and it basically didnt run, i had to remove the HDD to install windows on the SSD because there was some kind of software that made it so you could only install it on the HDD. Also for a highend gaming pc that it supposedly is, its performance is crap, not to mention that if you let it run under heavy load for over 2hrs that it shuts itself off, was the first time buying an aldi pc and i will never buy a pc there again.
@tomweyts
2 жыл бұрын
@@empi2597 weird ... The one that my friends is now Running doesn't have any issues.... I gave it a full night of benching & stresstesting. Stabilty test of Aida 64 ran for 10 hours with no crashes or issues
@empi2597
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomweyts nothing weird about it, if you look and research a little, the type of aldi pc that i bought has had massive sendbacks. not to mention that with a 11900k i9 and a 3080 geforce a 750W powersupply is a joke, that whole pc is ridiculous if i think about it more carefully shouldnt have been blinded by its cheapness, that machine was a hot pile of garbage, not to mention the benchmarks with both those components performed over 20% below average.. that thing was a disaster.
@hughdahand5711
2 жыл бұрын
My moms boyfriend bought 2 of these. One for her and one for his mom. Within a few years the MB in both were dead from the same problem. The ram slots stopped working one by one. There ended up being a class action he was a part of where Dell knowingly used faulty capacitors to save a few bucks. So I wouldn't say dell was any better back then tbh.
@SquintyGears
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but at least you could swap the motherboard in this one. And when the class action ends you might have gotten 40% of the cost back. Now imagine a class action on the G5 you get 20$ and maybe a cpu and gpu
@SolarianStrike
2 жыл бұрын
At least that board is easily replaceable and the fact that it lasted a few years. You bet now they use the same shitty caps and make things non-standard so that you can't fix it.
@grumpslowenleft9642
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no clue how many GX270's I had to repair. Yep, caps ain't supposed to look like that...or leak. Boot the computer up - see a black screen with "thermal event" on it, no need to even look - caps are toast.
@Starscreamious
2 жыл бұрын
Lots of things had bad capacitors back then...FYI.
@pandemicneetbux2110
2 жыл бұрын
Okay let me rephrase that: Dell is worse now
@equinoxe3d
2 жыл бұрын
Actually I prefer the rubber grommets for the rear exhaust fan, especially on Dells. Yeah, it makes replacement a bit harder but their exhaust fan tend to have high RPM and airflow, and the grommets do help prevent vibration and noise.
@zarmaanful
2 жыл бұрын
Noctua also provides these with some of their fans
@Topper_Harley68
2 жыл бұрын
@@zarmaanful All of their fans
@ThatLaloBoy
2 жыл бұрын
@@Topper_Harley68 Redux Line?🗿
@Knightospr
2 жыл бұрын
Those rubber things might reduce noise, but they collect dust! Had a fan with rubber like that. It had alot of dust stuck to it!
@breakcoregirlxd
2 жыл бұрын
My dell dimension from 2005 had a completely non standard motherboard so I guess it’s luck if they decide to use a standard size or not
@s1mph0ny
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they had several lines of nonstandard computers going back to p3 days, but the exception was the "minitower" parts like this were typically still standard mATX.
@ericryang1757
2 жыл бұрын
its why modding first gen core optiplexes into budget gaming exists bc all the parts are standard in those
@PileOfEmptyTapes
2 жыл бұрын
In those days, only budget systems would have used ATX boards. All the higher-end stuff (across many major PC builders) would have been BTX instead. It was the days of the Prescott Pentium 4 and corresponding heat output after all.
@MrGrumblier
2 жыл бұрын
I think they switched from proprietary to standard for like a year then went back as it cut their profit margins. Dell wants/needs it junkies to keep buying new systems from them.
@markusfreetingham6854
2 жыл бұрын
I got a Dell Dimension 4000 in a lot at an auction and I'm shocked anyone would decide to keep it. Optiplex might have a standard-ish board, but the PSU is proprietary and the I/O shield is built into the case, which in my experience is a bit of a pain to try and work with any standard parts still
@natepropes
2 жыл бұрын
As strange as it is, I'm still running 4 of those Vostro 400s in my office. They've been relegated all the way down to the systems for the interns, but with some minor upgrades that we made over the years (SSD+8GB RAM) they are serviceable. The newer Dell systems that we have in service have had constant and consistent issues with power supply failures which have led many of them to go to the eWaste pile.
@hireahitCA
2 жыл бұрын
Shout out to the Q6600, that’s one of my favourite builds, it was solid. It might even still be alive in my server rack.
@cddll24
2 жыл бұрын
I had a Q6600, those are 2.4 ghz stock and I could push mine to 3.3 ghz without a voltage increase. I loved that thing.
@Djuntas
2 жыл бұрын
Was it just before the core-I series...?
@cddll24
2 жыл бұрын
@@Djuntas Well, they were released before the I series. I got mine just after the I series was released. The I7 CPU's were ungodly expensive at the time.
@TMRick1
2 жыл бұрын
Same here man, the Core2Quad series had some really great and iconic CPUs. Great overclock possibilities, if you managed to tune it properly you could achieve something like +15% of performance.
@Djuntas
2 жыл бұрын
@@cddll24 Yeah, now i wanna look this vs I7 860 or something hehe..And I did :P yup the I7 860 is way better, but could had been in 08/09 it was not the price king. Apparently q6600 was a 800 dollar cpu on launch, but quickly dropped to 250.
@zncon
2 жыл бұрын
The rubber pegs holding the fans to the case break down pretty bad with age. I've had to replace several that broke off and left the fan to spin free inside of the case.
@STaRgaTeBG
2 жыл бұрын
I tough they are to isolate vibration and noise suppress the fan a bit? My Noctua case fan came with 4 of these and also 4 screws if you don't have the space to plug them.
@ireeb
2 жыл бұрын
@SteelRodent Even if the fans just have a minimum of vibration, which can never be completely eliminated, those can help minimizing them further. I wonder if the ones Noctua or BeQuiet offer last longer. Maybe it's just the cheap ones that age so badly? The ones Noctua offers are made out of silicone, perhaps the cheaper ones are made from bad rubber that becomes brittle.
@eideticex
2 жыл бұрын
You can treat the silicone standoffs with cooking oils, makeup oils and well just about any skin safe oil with a good degree of success. However silicone washers or o-rings are much easier to find replacements for given they are sold at hardware stores for a variety of uses.
@think_ffs3934
2 жыл бұрын
@@STaRgaTeBG yeah Steve seemed disappointed with those but I think that's one actual improvement.
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