With the signal generator, I have ordered a few low-pass filters to take out the harmonics. From Ali Baba, they are about $25 and available in a range of frequencies from HF to 1 GHz. The low pass filters only need to be roughly around the pass signal as the second harmonic is twice the source. So a 500 MHz low pass filter is good from a bit above 250 MHz to a bit below 500 MHz. Thus, not many are needed for most applications. The TinySA and the signal generator are great value and quite useful as you show. A very useful video.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
In Ultra mode the filter will not help. below 800 MHz just turn off ultra mode and there is no problem Above 1 GHz the TinySA Ultra creates harmonics at all frequencies. so there is no way to filter them out.
@marcinsp5iou66
Жыл бұрын
Vow. I have Tiny SA and main weakness is minimal resolution filter 3kHz which offers radio modulations measurements very limited. I see much improvement on Ultra model so seriously consider to order it. Price is over double, but I see from this video that it is worth higher price. Thank You for this video.
@qzorn4440
Жыл бұрын
Wow this is so interesting. I am learning how to put together, setup, and test a hydrogen-line 21cm (1420.4058 MHz) SDR radio telescope dish. The TinySA Ultra spectrum analyzer is one of the recommended test equipment items. Now what? This video is just what I need to understand what it can do. The R-scope is all new to me. 😎 Thank you.
@galileo_rs
Жыл бұрын
The passcode is there so that the people enabling the "ultra" mode would read the caveats of using it.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
people can still read?
@galileo_rs
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy 😁😁
@booboo699254
Жыл бұрын
That was my first guess.... potentially reduces support calls.
@button-puncher
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy RTFM mode. LOL!
@RichardsWorld
9 ай бұрын
This refreshed some of my rusty memory 😀
@button-puncher
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up on the Ultra OUTPUT. You need to have two spectrum analyzers just to catch it. You could see it with a SDR tuned properly too, but you know that I mean. That spectrum analyzer was the same model that we had in tech school. I loved how fast it was.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
It was the gold standard in the 90's
@andymouse
Жыл бұрын
That was quick !...cheers.
@davidv1289
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, thank you. Looks like a job for an isolator or a circulator and a dummy load - minus 10 dBm is horrible. Regards, David
@uploadJ
5 ай бұрын
Wow. Good to know of the leakage at ~ - 10 dBm on those higher freqs. This also means, that, if one was doing field survey work one might be accidentally jamming some of those freqs if connected to an antenna w/o a preamp in-line (offering some isolation).
@alklapaxida850
Жыл бұрын
nice doodad, a must have for all...
@TheElectronicDilettante
Жыл бұрын
In all your free time, please consider doing a video on Eric K’s latest brainchild, the tinyPFA. You just need a nano vna-H and some special FW and SW. Just when I was getting comfortable powering up the two TinySa’s and Nano’s. That guy comes up with some serious pieces of kit! Thanks as always
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
Looked at that. was not really interested.
@getcartercarpark.
Жыл бұрын
If you add internal attenuation to the Tiny SA Ultra does it affect the level of the spurs you see from it that are only some -10 dBm down?
@reaverofcheesecake4073
Жыл бұрын
The reason they give for the pass code, is that they want you to read the wiki so you understand the limitations of ultra mode. It is mentioned in the training videos linked on the Wiki page itself. The software is Open source under the GPL V3 licence which means it is FOSS (Free and Open Source) and so it will likely never have a paywall feature because it would be legal for another coder to change it and take it out. So it would be totally wasted effort. You may not be familiar with software development but the licences are pretty basic knowledge. Please do your homework before spreading speculation about pay walls.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
that would be a big change. please send a link to the code. please find a schematic. you may be thinking of the nanovna.
@reaverofcheesecake4073
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy also, m.kzitem.info/news/bejne/2Xx6mWinjpVjg3Y... around 3:20 it is explained.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
yes, but what about your comments about open source. I do see the code for the original tinysa. maybe that covers the ultra as well? I'm not a software guy so hard for me to tell. I do know that Erik never gave out schematics.
@reaverofcheesecake4073
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy that is true... the hardware is NOT open source. The software is though... I have uploaded the url several times but youtube keeps deleting it. The reference to the openn source licence for the software can be found on the FAQ page of the TinySA Wiki page.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@reaverofcheesecake4073 yes, I know the reference you point to. I just didn't know if that covered the ultra or just the original. it would be very difficult to understand the firmware without knowledge of what chips are used as most of the filtering and processing is done in the hardware. the wiki does not have enough information. I did a reverse engineering of a schematic (I have a video) but was not able to find info on the new chip used in the ultra. any info on this chip would be of interest to me as the bandwidth filters are very different between the original and ultra.
@getcartercarpark.
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the fantastic videos, I have only just joined your channel after looking for info on the TinySA Ultra and found your very informative videos. May I please ask what level these intermittent spurious outputs from the TinySA Ultra that you are seeing on your HP analyser?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
they are -10dBm. quite large. between 977 and 1777 MHz
@getcartercarpark.
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy I guess they are not a problem to the TinySA Ultra taking measurements, and only a problem if they cause interference to something you are trying to monitor/look for with the device, as you spotted on your HP.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@getcartercarpark. well yes, but the 'problem' might be blowing up something.
@vincei4252
Жыл бұрын
Hmm. Lo leakage. That's not great. I guess there's no amplifier/buffer between the tiny SA input and the mixer(s )? I guess one thing you could do is place a wideband amp + attenuator between the DUT and the tiny SA. As I said, that's not great. :( It is a $130 SA so we shouldn't lose sight of that. -10dBm is a lot!
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
it needs a low pass filter before the mixer to block the Lo
@TheGmr140
Жыл бұрын
Show us zero span mode on the ultra, that is proper way to measure peak power
@sirnukesalot24
Жыл бұрын
So... looking at the comments, it looks like you could experiment with filtering the input for another video.
@richardphillips2405
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video. I was wondering about the Ultra Tiny SA sending signals to the dut. How practical is it to use isolators or circulators as suggested by David V. Would the cost be too prohibitive?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
isolators in that frequency range are probably too expensive even used.
@BaldurNorddahl
Жыл бұрын
I suspect he does not want the device to be judged on the performance in ultra mode. So he makes sure you need to go through some hops to enable it.
@Masirah1
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks. My original thought is that Local oscillator leakage is common in many receivers including spectrum analyzers.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
the spectrum analyzers usually have a low pass/band pass filter in the front that keeps the high freq Lo out.
@ErikKaashoek
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy As the wiki states, in Ultra mode the input low pass filter is disabled, and it goes to harmonic mode above 5.3GHz
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@ErikKaashoek Yes I read that, but no mention of the RF output on the input connector. you need to add that to the wiki. It can be very dangerous to circuits. As one of my viewers commented, he thought the mixer would block the RF but was surprised it was -10dBm.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
and congratulations on this device. the 800 MHz performance and user experience is what I had expected on the original TinySA which I was pretty hard on. This one I definitely approve.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
the wiki does not talk about the uSD card, unless I missed it somewhere. I think it saves data as csv but there is a screen shot on the card as well and I'm not sure how to do that
@sm6ehy816
9 ай бұрын
User interface of Tiny SA The user interface on the HP 8591 has been a result of many years of most of industries spectrum users. The interface on TinySA is very different and NOT user friendly. Commands that you use frequently should be easily found, which they are not. The capabilities on TinySA are top notch, but user interface could be better. Have used all analysers on the market for some 30 years (calibration service) and this TinySA user interface sticks out badly. The advanced functions on TinySA are hard to evaluate. Phasenoise, frequency stability... Price vs capabilities is just superb.
@steubens7
Жыл бұрын
the trivial gate for ultra mode sounds like an ITAR/export regulations thing
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
all the nuke sites had to have a code. the generals thought it would take too long and set all codes to 0000
@DennisMathias
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you terminated that CAL port if that wouldn't get rid of the spurious products.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
nope
@thereare4lights137
Жыл бұрын
Is it a camera artifact or is the Tiny SA Ultra's graticule horizontally wavy? I don't see any of that on your HP.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
camera artifact
@tomstrum6259
Жыл бұрын
Thx for the video...My Ultra is performing great (pricing considered) Ultra Mode not Enabled as my needs are < 800 Mhz.....Will the "Ultra Enabled" mode change (Better or Worse) my current 0--800Mhz Performance ?? .....Also, Once "Enabled", can I "Un-Enable" & Return back to my Current "Out of Box" great 0--800 Mhz Performance ??.....Thx again....
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
they say enabling does not effect the lower band yes you can un-enable
@jraddd3477
2 ай бұрын
Mine has everything BUT the enable Ultra mode, its also version 3.1
@IMSAIGuy
2 ай бұрын
there are different models. the hardware is different on the 'ultra' model
@fotografm
8 ай бұрын
Nice video. What is that tiny signal generator you used ?
Hello, what's the difference between a spectrum analyser and a SDR? I have for example the SDR Play RSP1A. Since I am able to see the spectrum I think it should be the same or?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
no, there is more filtering and the resolution bandwidth is much better
@galileo_rs
Жыл бұрын
Proper spectrum analysers have added features, are calibrated etc. If you just need to see the spectrum you can use an SDR and some software that will emulate a spectrum display.
@button-puncher
Жыл бұрын
A SDR is mainly for reception and decoding. A spectrum analyzer is for checking and comparing signal levels. You can also view a massive amount of spectrum to hunt for a signal. A radio vs a piece of test equipment.
@uploadJ
5 ай бұрын
re: "what's the difference between a spectrum analyser and a SDR?" Spec AN has a swept LO and different BW filters in the IF. And an SDR does an A/D conversion THEN an FFT on the incoming signal and filtering is done in software, on the FFT signal.
@choppergirl
10 ай бұрын
I am confused, are there two different hardware versions of this, an normal and an ultra... or is there just one version, and you unlock ultra mode by entering a PIN? Old videos seem to indicate you just enter a pin, but then I go online to shop and some are being sold as plain, and some as Ultra (???) And how do you tell the couterfeits from the legit models? Is there a main manufacturer website you can buy from instead of some place like Amazon or Aliexpress?
@IMSAIGuy
10 ай бұрын
there are two versions, avoid the first one and buy an ULTRA, much better. yes there are clones. get them from: tinysa.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.Buying
@choppergirl
10 ай бұрын
@@IMSAIGuyYeah, I found the home page and the straight to the factory version link about an hour ago for $120. I'm still on the fence about it though, I wish it had more SDR features! I kind of want one to analyze 900mghz / 2.4/5/6ghz wifi network spectrum interference as I moonlight as an amateur wifi network engineer, and these same frequencies are also used for FPV drone RF equipment, but I also want to tune around the entire band too being a shortwave enthusiast. It would be nice if they had a built in speaker and a waterfall and some memories and a third SDR radio mode, or that you you could fire up in Windows and use it as an SDR radio, considering it can receive the entire spectrum without breaks in the bandwidth. I just found something similiar, the HackRF R9 module from Great Scott, so I'm pondering that one as well. They are about $150 on ebay assembled, if I'm reading the listings right.
@IMSAIGuy
10 ай бұрын
it does waterfall: tinysa.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.DISPLAY
@choppergirl
10 ай бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy What do you think? kzitem.info/news/bejne/wqKorJaPbqipp2k
@IMSAIGuy
10 ай бұрын
lots of people like the hackrf but it is not a true spectrum analyzer with good resolution bandwidth, so it really comedowns to what is important to you. a fancy SDR or a SA
@CyberBeep_kenshi
Жыл бұрын
Any recommendations for a spectrum analyser on a hifi set? For the fun of it.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
search eBay for 'audio spectrum analyzer' there are many to choose from. about $20 to $100
@joeteejoetee
Жыл бұрын
Can the TinaSA Ultras' uSD card slot save data, or screenshots? Thanks again!
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
I think csv format data
@lmcelhiney
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy Screenshots and configuration setups beyond the number of RAM slots.
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Both. Look at the playlist. I have a video on that
@DeezNutz-ce5se
Жыл бұрын
What is the best oscilloscope to get for up to 15ghz signals?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
15 GHz? Keysight has some but you need $250,000
@DeezNutz-ce5se
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy oh wow. So what is the "normal" range for an oscilloscope then?
@DeezNutz-ce5se
Жыл бұрын
Also what can be used to detect broad spectrum frequencies at microwave levels and up?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@DeezNutz-ce5se I believe you are confusing oscilloscopes and spectrum analyzers. at $1,000 you get oscilloscope at 500 MHz or spectrum analyzer at 1.5 GHz
@TalpaDK
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy "My god" they make some with a 110GHz BW and 256 GS/s! It must have be milled out of a solid piece of magic.
@DeezNutz-ce5se
Жыл бұрын
What do you use for a generator up to 6ghz?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
here is a cheap one that goes to 4.4 GHz: kzitem.info/news/bejne/026lzJewk3qlYJw
@jordan390a
Жыл бұрын
Have you checked out any of the products from Windfreaktech...??? I little more expensive, but worth it...!
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
no spectrum analyzers?
@DJ_JASON_43
Жыл бұрын
Can this tune repeater duplexers ?
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
no, you will need an analyzer with a tracking generator or use a VNA kzitem.info/news/bejne/0X-asJWgcKp2lWU kzitem.info/news/bejne/tZh7sWismGWJqKQ
@muctop17
Жыл бұрын
Hey stop complaining! You get a look on a spectrum and pay only the price for a set of good cables. 🐸
@IMSAIGuy
Жыл бұрын
I'm not complaining, just warning that this may kill circuits if you are not careful.
@muctop17
Жыл бұрын
@@IMSAIGuy I aimed at other comments! 😀 You are doing an excellent job! Thank you , so much!
@macstan9717
Жыл бұрын
Zrób porządek na stole i pokaż wszystkie połączenia, byśmy mogli rozumieć, co robisz!
@AA-di9di
Жыл бұрын
So many words for nothing. Take a look to the dynamic, the phase noise of the first oscillator and intermodulatoin distortion when applying a two tone. At least look to minimal resolution.
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