Railroads are generally more interested in quick access than secure access. Since all their stuff is out there, often in remote areas, people would have as much time as they need to pick or even grind off, so higher pick resistance gets them nothing. However, being able to give the same key to all the locks is of great value to them, so their conductors and engineers don't have to carry around a huge, heavy ring.
@bradley3549
Жыл бұрын
I agree 100% and in addition, that style key is incredibly durable and can apply a lot of torque to the mechanism if/when it becomes cruddy.
@robertcalkjr.8325
Жыл бұрын
Locks are just to keep honest people, honest. Is there a lock that could survive a cutting torch?
@Tyiriel
Жыл бұрын
@@robertcalkjr.8325 I'm sure we could make something big enough..
@soulbound11
Жыл бұрын
I think there is also a lot to be said for the deterrence of just having a lock on something, whether that lock is good or not. I know as a kid i would wander into places that werent locked, but almost never even checked locks to see if there were actually engaged to get into places that looked locked up. Sure, almost anyone with a little know how can pick it and get in, but you are still preventing 90% + of the public who was just never interested in picking up that know how. Sometimes, thats good enough.
@kenabi
Жыл бұрын
@@robertcalkjr.8325 with the advent of cordless angle grinders that are as powerful as they are now, one of those and a few batteries and you can get into anything if you're not having to worry about getting caught in a few seconds, no torch needed.
@billstrader4326
Жыл бұрын
Old flex: I can pick this in moments using the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made New flex: I can pick this with the tool you can get at Covert Instruments Newest flex: I already had a key for this lock because of course I did.
@domchappell4775
Жыл бұрын
Yet possibly the most on-brand flex to date
@ipick4fun27
Жыл бұрын
The pick that Bill and I made can’t open this lock. It’s original style Abloy Keyway. You can probably use a standard hook if you are skillful enough. But a Silver Bullet with a custom tip can pick it.
@NEEDbacon
Жыл бұрын
"Both homemade and from factory"
@xaosflux
Жыл бұрын
...because I have ALL the keys
@barryabell5410
Жыл бұрын
It's downright disrespectful and theft of another man's property as its possibly a rare find in the wild 😡😡
@raidensnake9471016
Жыл бұрын
Chris in Florida after seeing the lock not getting picked and gutted: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined".
@msnpassjan2004
Жыл бұрын
Wonder if he lives near Report of the Week food reviews with Review Brah
@MegawackyMax
Жыл бұрын
If it was me, the plot twist that A) the lock only has a very finite number of potential keys; and B) of course LPL has them all; would have been a most wonderful plot twist. BECAUSE IT WAS.
@samv225
Жыл бұрын
So why didn't he gut it? If all it took was a simple drilling. And even though he had a key seems like he could have picked it as well. Why go out of your way to ruin a fans day?
@puphafishprime
Жыл бұрын
@@samv225 the drilling itself would have been simple, but then the lock is no longer functional. It could have been picked though, even with the master key at hand.
@samv225
Жыл бұрын
@@puphafishprime My point exactly, all simple stuff requested by the fan that took the time (and expense) to send in the lock.
@kainthedestroyer
Жыл бұрын
This is definitely an example of a lock being used as more of a latch than a security device. It's just there so that whoever bypasses it has to do so deliberately and knowingly, and often *at-their-own-risk.*
@dmg4415
Жыл бұрын
As most locks is done, to hinder the opportunistic burglar who has only some rudimentary tools, a screwdriver and a small crowbar, the dedicated burglar You can not stop with locks, not alarms either, they set aside 2 to max 5 minutes in a home. Maybe a well trained guard dog will help. Or a armed guardian patrolling the house 24/7/365, they have a day of the 29th of February.
@user-bc7cb8uu7e
Жыл бұрын
You'd be surprised how many people this would stop. The vast majority of people would never think about the idea of getting a set of keys for the locks. Just seeing a lock at all will turn most people away, unless they have a good pair of bolt cutters. Pick resistance matters a lot less than bolt cutter resistance in most cases. This lock would probably fall to a good pair a bolt cutters, but so would quite a few higher security locks
@Itoyokofan
Жыл бұрын
You know, if you wander into the limited area that was unlocked and got caught, you can bluff yourself out, saying that your head just went blank and you were curious. On the other hand, picking a lock no matter how shitty it is, is a guaranteed deliberate burglary.
@TallifTallonbrook
Жыл бұрын
The shackle is so thick to prevent showing a switch while locked. It is the actual block for the lever.
@dmg4415
Жыл бұрын
@@Itoyokofan And how do they prove it is picked and not just left open the last time it was opened?
@LimDul
Жыл бұрын
Railway company employee here: There's another (quite obsolete but sometimes still encountered) use-case for those locks: railway switch safety (not security!). One thing that these locks do is retain the key in the open position. This means you can basically "remotely track" their state if you only have one key for them. Some manual switches are designed in such a way that you can close the lock on them only in a certain position since they have extended sleeves/projections with holes on the handles that need to align. Also, one key can be used for several switches (hence the limited number of combinations) but with only one copy of it being available you will only be able to change the position of one of them at a time. This avoids certain unsafe configurations of several switches that could lead to derailment or collisions. Also, a switch operator can go back to their station where all the keys hang on a "switchboard" and at a glance check which ones are missing and be 100% sure of the position of each switch and the overall configuration of the system. This is called key dependency - I only know it as "Schlüsselabhängigkeit" from my home country. :)
@mackemforever
Жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thanks for taking the time to write it up. Also, what the hell Germany. Stop pretending your language is a real thing :P
@hundejahre
Жыл бұрын
Seeing a key is missing off the board only guarantees 100% it is missing off the board. Maybe it’s in a lock on a switch, maybe it’s in someone’s pocket on the way to or back from a switch, and hopefully not in their laundry.
@LimDul
Жыл бұрын
@@hundejahre You're not leaving the train station or whatever you're dealing with in this state between shifts etc. It's for setting up specific arrangements for moving a specific train from point A to B on a low intensity track. There is a base configuration of switches and for that all keys have to be present on the switchboard. You literally take the keys you need off the switchboard before heading out to flip the switches. I guess this is another use-case for this - preventing operator error since you leave with a specific set of keys fitting only specific switches. If a key is missing to begin with you have to go out and make sure the switch is in the right position OR, when in doubt, no trains will be allowed to pass until the situation is resolved. It's just a basic layer of safety so someone doesn't need to run up and down hundreds of meters of tracks to check all switches - humans and procedures are still involved. Trust me, the system worked for 100+ years, but it's very rarely used since there are other mechanical locks in place or everything has been electrified/digitized.
@TheQuark6789
Жыл бұрын
This sounds similar or the same as LOTO locks in English-Lock Out, Tag Out
@LimDul
Жыл бұрын
@@TheQuark6789 Yes! Exactly that!
@marchofsaints
Жыл бұрын
LPL Fan: you can have this cool old lock if you pick it and gut it for me. LPL: Nope. But thanks for the lock, it matches my key.
@marchofsaints
Жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mp5of I wasn't saying that, lol.
@acidhelm
Жыл бұрын
LPL saying "I own all of the possible keys" is like how Adam Savage says "I bought two complete sets of these screwdrivers." I just expect it now.
@gigimava
Жыл бұрын
*at least one sample of all the possible keys
@MalleusSemperVictor
Жыл бұрын
He's using his powers to determine the locks people are going to send him and preemptively making keys now.
@storm.57z23
Жыл бұрын
Kind of a railfan here, I have seen this lock in some stations, they usually lock up bridge plates or amtrak wheelchair accessible ramps. Pieces of infrastructure that are still needed but not so critical to the safety of passengers like locking up switch boxes
@volvo09
Жыл бұрын
Do you know how they manage switch box keys? Does each railroad have their own lock and key choice? I have a switch next to my house and always assumed the keys were all the same.
@christiangilbert5608
Жыл бұрын
I've seen this very lock used for a derailing device. Isn't that more critical?
@doug3102
Жыл бұрын
@@christiangilbert5608 Critical switches and derails use time locking circuits in addition to the physical lock.
@deathdealer_xiii1055
Жыл бұрын
@volvo09 Each railroad has their own key number, but locks and keys are made by sargent & greenleaf. The 2 lock companies I've seen railroads use in the present day are Sargent Greenleaf and American Lock. They use different locks for different things. I'm sure a railroad employee would correct me
@dennisfernandez7336
Жыл бұрын
FEC seems to have recently changed from these to Abloy.
@REZrblde
Жыл бұрын
But honestly,its been a while since we seen you gut a lock open. I love it when we get to see the internals,especially a dimple-core one
@robertcalkjr.8325
Жыл бұрын
Too bad that Chris sent the LPL a lock that he would rather keep in his collection...lol
@spicytrashpanda
Жыл бұрын
That is a new and unique kink.
@youtubesnamingpolicysucks
Жыл бұрын
@@robertcalkjr.8325 I can get him another one that's a little beat up or even a brand new one same code if he wants to gut it. We have a ton of them laying around and they run about $200+ so it's understandable why he chose to save a brand new one.
@robertcalkjr.8325
Жыл бұрын
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks That might work.
@wickedcabinboy
Жыл бұрын
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks - So, that means you'd have to "borrow" the lock? The irony...
@FuelDropforthewin
Жыл бұрын
I am guessing that the mechanism is deliberately kept simple to reduce points of failure in extreme conditions. Likely very loose tolerances for the same reasons.
@Miestwin
Жыл бұрын
This, plus I think it's mostly to deter hobos or stragglers from the areas they are not supposed to be, rather than protect something valuable or supercritical.
@michaelboehme7964
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's really no point in having an extremely high security lock where these are used, more likely to get messed up, and they're often deployed in areas where either noone will be around to complain if you go at it with an angle grinder or something anyway.
@StarfoxHUN
Жыл бұрын
Also the key being so limited helps against key loss and with access sharing i guess.
@robertcalkjr.8325
Жыл бұрын
@@Miestwin I agree. A lock is not going to stop a professional.
@caseydarrah
Жыл бұрын
So the lock version of the AK47 or the Moisin-Nagant. Rough, sloppy tolerances, but works every time.
@AM23.
Жыл бұрын
The reason why the mechanism is simple is you have a fleet of workers that need to gain access to the lock, these fleets often travel and their point of contact person will tell them which key. Also 99% of the population sees a lock, especially a disk detainer, and would have no idea how to bypass it.
@dr.floridamanphd
Жыл бұрын
I would bypass it by going right by past it 😂
@Jomskylark
Жыл бұрын
Yup, what thief is going to have the patience and knowledge to make 12+ keys for this lock. I like LPL but this is a bit ridiculous of a reason to criticize its security.
@Jehty_
Жыл бұрын
@@Jomskylark every thief who does thieving around railways. Or do you think that thieves who steal for example copper from railways just happen to stumble across it? Without any prior planing?
@windhelmguard5295
Жыл бұрын
pretty sure locks like these aren't protecting things that someone who learns how to lock pick for the purpose of stealing would want. it's probably for keeping teenagers or homeless people out of dangerous areas or from fiddling with equipment, that is, while important, not worth stealing because nobody outside of a railroad company would have any use for it. sure domestic terrorists could potentially abuse that system, but that probably wasn't much of a concern when these locks were implemented and replacing all of them (and providing all the keys to anyone who does need to have access) might be a considerable expense.
@blake_lively_matters6553
8 ай бұрын
@@Jehty_ - What is this planing you speak of? Is this wood shop, I thought this was lock shop?
@R.J._Lewis
Жыл бұрын
"This is the Key Having Lawyer, and what I have for you today is the equivalent of that yoked guy at your local gym who has a teacup yorkie."
@DrLogii
Жыл бұрын
Did he just demonstrate how to lockpick with a key?
@Boxygirl96
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, and not for the first time actually. He’s also demonstrated that the TSA locks are all susceptible to a similar exploit do to their rather common master keys
@BFedie518
Жыл бұрын
@@Boxygirl96 The master keys are so common you can literally buy them on Amazon.
@Boxygirl96
Жыл бұрын
@@BFedie518 exactly!
@ThePlacehole
Жыл бұрын
Also, handcuffs
@spacemonkey1776
Жыл бұрын
@@BFedie518 F amazon
@amojak
Жыл бұрын
aww he wants the lock so much for his collection, he doesn't want to dismantle it :)
@AndrewWellsPlus
Жыл бұрын
Well I think it's also that he doesn't generally do destructive tear downs.
@DarkMayhemCRO
Жыл бұрын
It is likely used in low security areas like fence gates or stuff like that. Where a large number of people have to access it (hence the same key) but only really needs to be a deterrent for people who are not supposed to be there. Someone can just jump the fence anyway if they put their mind to it.
@danielweston9188
Жыл бұрын
Rail switches
@johndododoe1411
Жыл бұрын
@@danielweston9188 Many rail switches can be operated with murderous intent to cause deliberate collisions. They need security against terrorists and foreign agents, not just idiots.
@danielweston9188
Жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 That is now - this was then. Now they have electronic controls to know the position of the switches. The switches near my house in the 70's were this type of lock and were even often left unlocked.
@daffydavidyt
Жыл бұрын
@@danielweston9188 No. This is considered "high security lock" for switches in dark territory.
@professorred
Жыл бұрын
@@daffydavidyt what’s low security then?
@derekmcdanold7108
Жыл бұрын
LPL, I've been a subscriber for years. Your followers know you can pick virtually any lock. We don't care "if" you can pick it, or hear how easy it s to pick. We want to see you pick it.
@daifeichu
Жыл бұрын
I have to admit that these locks really do stand up to the weather here in Canada. At the railway that I work at we use these on switch stands and in over 13 years I've only had to thaw out a couple with my torch. I work for the signal dept so we use Abloy's on our 'bungalows', usually the 240, and I've had to thaw them out lots and lots of times. Usually if I hold the lock in my hand for less than a minute is good enough but sometimes I need the torch. Regarding the S&G Env., I got the code for our locks from Bosnian Bill and made my own key. I was out with a Transport Canada guy one time and he was telling me how secure these locks are. I told him they really are not that secure and showed him my homemade key, which took me about 30 minutes to make including soldering in a quarter for the handle. As far as why railways still use this lock, because the people who make these decisions are like the Transport Canada guy that I was talking with and think it looks secure. The railway I work for started in 1918 and just last year we are finally going to start using Abloy puck locks on our signal housings. I've been telling my bosses that we need to use these for years.
@doug3102
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty interesting... I'm in a signal department in the northeast and we use a miniature version of the S&G lock in the video. It has six discs instead of three.
@craigw1911
Жыл бұрын
Only guess I have for the low-security keying is for railroad employees traveling from one area to another that would need to access such a lock to not have to carry many variants of the keys to do their job. Sort of like firemen carrying common special keys for elevators and commercial building lockboxes to get access.
@garyplewa9277
Жыл бұрын
Great marketing opportunity - "The HoBo Key set from Covert Instruments". Made especially for older HoBo's who can't climb fences anymore 🙂
@johndoe-so2ef
Жыл бұрын
Perfect for a collaboration video with shoestring.
@lairdcummings9092
Жыл бұрын
My guess? Bureaucracy and logistical efficiency. The railroads have a LOT of locks. Keeping track of those keys is a nightmare. Likewise, *replacing* those locks with an upgraded version would be hugely expensive and another bureaucratic nightmare. So, they keep rolling with what they have.
@davebowman6497
Жыл бұрын
Doing military service, many ears ago, I was in the signal detail of my company. We relied heavily on using landline phones for everything but "immediate tactical" signals. For this, the country was absolutely scattered with connection points for us to use. We had 3 to 5 km of phone wire to route from wherever we established company HQ to the nearest connection point. In each such there where a number of available connections we could use, without any further porocedure. And from those you could call ANY number. Of course these connection points where locked, but one key covered an area of tens ofvthousands of square kilometers. Thousands of connection points. Anything else would have been impractical. But there where too many keyscin circulation. I would guess on the order of thousands. And of course some where "lost", and resulted in absolutely zero cost phone calls. There was this story, true or not, circulating about the cost of replacing all the keys when things got out of hand. And during my service we had to call in to the phone company to report both connecting snd disconnecting. Military numbers wherealways functioning, but I assume they where monitoring traffic on non-reported military numbers.. Securing a large scale situation like this is HARD.
@MonkeyJedi99
Жыл бұрын
Same reasoning behind those atrocious TSA-approved luggage locks.
@JackPitmanNica
Жыл бұрын
The railroads keep rolling... 🤣🤣
@devilmikey00
Жыл бұрын
It's also a simple procedure to replace a lock. Lock breaks or gets cut? Buy a new one and all your existing keys still work just the same. Lose a key? Who cares, just go to the office and get a new one of the matching number.
@pledgegamer
Жыл бұрын
As a railroader I can agree. I hate those locks. I can’t tell you how many people I have seen loose keys to those locks because they got permanently stuck. Then in the winter, if they get any snow/water in them and then freeze good luck turning the key. Although the locks my railroad uses have what looks to be 5 disks based on looking at the key. Would gladly send you one if I can.
@7171-Ws6
Жыл бұрын
Ya man. May a times I had to light a fusee to heat up the lock to open a switch.
@Melanie16040
Жыл бұрын
@@7171-Ws6 What is a fusee?
@gbeving3167
Жыл бұрын
Another good day, hes uploaded again
@TreeTopSky
Жыл бұрын
S&G; my career in IT has led me to know this company quite well. I have installed and used the S&G Lock Management System software for a few years now, and it's quite an amazing tool!
@tedpark6814
Жыл бұрын
The newer ones are constructed differently, there's a set screw that locks the cap in place (you need to have the lock open to access this) so they can be disassembled/serviced without removing the pin. There's a 5 disk version with more cut positions, but the 3 disk one is used by railroads. An interesting point of the S&G locks is that there's no identification of the road on the lock, I'm sure that helps the lock itself from being stolen.
@dwalker7264
Жыл бұрын
26 year, 2nd generation railroader here. These locks are typically used on switches either handthrow or power. Many keys are issued to railroad personnel so its more of matter of efficiency in accessing the switch, more so than effectiveness of the lock itself.
@nefarious_kitty
Жыл бұрын
When I worked in the oilfield, we used the higher security version of this lock to secure Radioactive materials.
@mrwest5552
Жыл бұрын
it's a fascinating world we live in.
@KF1
Жыл бұрын
Would be cool if Mr. East would show up like _you don't know the half of it, friend_
@feronimus7723
Жыл бұрын
Do you have your collection in a displayable format? or just boxes? I would love to see it if its organized. Maybe a dedicated video?
@ml9867
Жыл бұрын
I've been wanting to see that for years. I wonder if it's in a vault or just behind a regular door & what kind of lock is on the door.
@Melanie16040
Жыл бұрын
I will second this!
@svgalene465
Жыл бұрын
@@ml9867 It’s in a Walmart handgun safe and locked with a Masterlock #3 padlock.
@sandwiched
Жыл бұрын
"I have the world's largest sand collection. I keep it on beaches across the planet."
@GryphonBrokewing
Жыл бұрын
@@sandwiched Great reference! Do you also have a friend who can limbo under a carpet?
@Srdjana-
Жыл бұрын
Very smart and forward thinking to refuse showing picking a lock used where in the wrong hands, can cause the deaths of thousands of people. More respect for you LPL.
@ResidentIT_
Жыл бұрын
Always love seeing you have a little fun with your thumbnails!
@roysammons2445
Жыл бұрын
A locksmith's favourite tool...THE KEK! Lovely looking lock 🙂👍🏻🔐
@defuller1
Жыл бұрын
I realize there's no contract here, but if Chris went to the trouble and expense to send you the lock, wouldn't it be better to honor those requests than to just keep the lock and add it to your collection?
@justins8802
Жыл бұрын
Yep, very bummed about this video. Guess the silver lining is that LPL was honest enough to admit that he wasn’t honoring the request.
@spamy6661
Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thought!
@gigimava
Жыл бұрын
It is honest to say that it's not worth picking. You need a specialized tool to pick a disc detainer, which is nonsense, if there are 10 possible keys. Also, it'd be a boring pick, because there are just 3 discs. He's been picking 5-7 disc cores in less than a minute. Maybe he picked this one, too, but the camera shutter wasn't fast enough to catch it. Also, he told us something interesting about the lock, and locks in general.
@robertbackhaus8911
Жыл бұрын
Also, disk detainer locks are not that interesting when in pieces - it's not like they have interestingly shaped driver and key pins. And the shackle latch on this lock looks to be a bog standard ball bearing design.
@Jomskylark
Жыл бұрын
@@gigimava I think it's far more likely a thief has a disc detainer tool than 10+ keys of this random lock though
@STRAKAZulu
Жыл бұрын
When explaining the lock and it’s history takes 10x longer than actually opening it? Priceless.
@jpkalishek4586
Жыл бұрын
Dad had put a Master on his shed that is on family land, and when he passed, Mom forgot his set of keys when she came up that summer. While I knew I could likely pick it, even as weathered as it is, I had 3 keys for the same style key on one of my key-rings, and lo, one worked in the lock. Looking at the number on the key, I think my High School had numerous locks with the same number. A common warning was they knew of this issue so anyone with that key had best stay out of those areas locked by them. Though it was useful when the Gym Coach didn't want to go back to his jacket in the lounge, and asked "Who has a Master key, number 356?"
@timbush7850
Жыл бұрын
The old locks that these replaced were warded locks that were easily opened/destroyed with a hammer or a rock. They were quick to open and just snapped shut, if you were in a hurry, but not very secure. If they were frozen shut, you could thaw them out with a lit fusee. The first issue of the S&G locks were pretty much smash proof but it was soon discovered to be easily opened with a sixteen penny nail. That required the carriers to re-issue lock and keys with a slightly more secure key. The new locks are still susceptible to freezing rain...
@ralphcoolbaugh371
Жыл бұрын
Come on … you pick lots of locks that you have the key for. I love watching you pick locks, even the insecure ones.
@delta3244
Жыл бұрын
This is the key-based equivalent of a combination lock which uses one digit in its code. Sure, you could decode it, but you could just open it instead. For my part, I find it interesting when the flaw "not enough possible configurations" can be exploited in a 'secure' system.
@KF1
Жыл бұрын
Lol insecure locks
@Dyanosis
Жыл бұрын
@@delta3244 Considering the letter asked him to *pick the lock*, your statement makes no sense.
@delta3244
Жыл бұрын
@@Dyanosis I would call the way this video's lock was opened lockpicking - or at least a demonstration that the lock was picked in the past. To be clear, this _is_ how I intuitively understand the word, despite how long it's going to take me to explain why. The act of "picking a lock" is one of exploiting a weakness in the lock's design to open it without using the intended key. The way that all locks are supposed to work is this: within the lock, there is a password kept hidden from whoever sees it, which is often physically-coded. Outside the lock, there is some means of entering a password. To open a lock properly is to know the password and input it. To pick it is to open it without knowing the password, or to discover the password by examining the lock. In the case of a 1-digit combination lock, let's say you want to open it without the code. The strategy you choose to employ is this: try each digit. When the lock opens, you got it right. It should be clear that this is lockpicking - you started without the combination, and by examining the lock, you discovered the combination. Now, consider the lock in the video. It doesn't use a combination, sure, but it's fundamentally very similar under the surface. The different cuts on a key correspond to different digits in a combination, and the depth/etc. of those cuts is the value of the digit. In this particular case, there are iirc 12 possible combinations. This makes it very similar to our 1-digit combination from earlier, so we employ the same strategy: try each option. When one works, we've successfully picked the lock, both because the lock's been opened w/out its intended key and because we've learned its password.
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper
Жыл бұрын
@@delta3244 "The act of "picking a lock" is one of exploiting a weakness in the lock's design to open it without using the intended key." You've got it wrong, bucko. Picking a lock means physically manipulating the pins or wafers or discs to get an open. Exploiting a weakness in the lock's design without fiddling around with the pins is almost always considered a bypass. Replicating a key falls outside both of these fields and into its own separate field. All are encompassed and/or utilized in locksport/locksmithing.
@Noideawhatimdoing411
Жыл бұрын
The lock was selected because of the low key count. To have a lock in service for decades requires significant key retention. Simplifying key count and lock styles makes this easier. Keep in mind people may hop aboard a train in New Mexico and then need a key in New York. While the lock can be picked quite easy from a lock smith, it’s intent is to keep honest people honest. Most would not pick the lock, simply use a destructive method to gain entry.
@A76noname
Жыл бұрын
For some reason the volume of your videos has been very low recently. I have to noticeably raise the volume compared to my usual level whenever I watch your videos nowadays.
@annakhatri
Жыл бұрын
I've had the same issue. Not sure if he got a new mic but I definitely have to pump the volume way up.
@justinfowler2857
Жыл бұрын
I'm a railroad worker. These locks are also have a large shackle for a reason. Older signal systems are triggered when the lock is removed. This tells a dispatcher that a switch is not secure. They are machined such that only one size fits in and the signal system will trip if tampered with.
@anamoyeee
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes 20 seconds is still more than it takes to open some "high security" locks
@brandonmousseau2020
Жыл бұрын
You are truly a genius. No other word describes the things I've seen you do. Reminds me of Elementary, the Sherlock Holmes show. Stay safe sir.🙏🇺🇸
@nealgold8442
Жыл бұрын
As aways an informative video. But you forgot one thing; how you or someone else would identify which numbered key to use without guessing or process of elimination. The last two digits of the correct key is stamped on the top of the cylinder between the shackle. If you stop the video and look closely where the LPL references the cylinder that needs to be removed for disassembly you can see “02”. Have a nice day!
@glenjamindle
Жыл бұрын
It says "CR" and "INR". There isn't an 02 anywhere
@jt3178
Жыл бұрын
As a railroader myself, old style railroad(non mainline use) are the absolute best weather resistant padlocks ever, theses sergent locks are not bad but have a hard time with freezing rain and often require heating with a torch in the right conditions. American locks used on locomotive since a few years are the absolute worst lock on the railroad they freeze every single day in winter and are a real pain especially when mounted under the headlights.
@SpyroTheEternalNight
Жыл бұрын
i understand wanting it for the collection, but if you could find a 2nd one, i really would like to see it taken apart!
@apo.exoworlds
Жыл бұрын
He probably has a 2nd and 3rd one, but they're black- and brass-coloured so gutting would ruin the collection.
@frankoest7165
Жыл бұрын
These Padlocks are amazing & have secured everything from Job site gang boxes to Locomotive /Caboose doors. The stories about these padlocks and what they were up against for all these years will blow your mind, they don't open when they get shot into the keyway with a .22, everything else they are fine , lol. Physical Attack ... Prototyped in 1979, S&G released the Enviro padlock @ the 1980 A.L.O.A convention in Las Vegas. Tolerance's are key , Shackle to Body clearance --Locking ball to shackle clearance , etc. Tolerance to tight freeze / bind easy , to loose , not secure enough. Stainless powdered metal body , forged . When the stars , moon are burned out & earth is since disintegrated the body of the environmental padlock with be floating around in space ...
@IrishJaguar
Жыл бұрын
The sassy thumbnail has me rolling 🤣
@MedusalObligation
Жыл бұрын
There are thousands of copies of the key in circulation. There is no security. They just keep the casual passer-by from opening the lock and then operating the switch, cabinet, etc.
@feynthefallen
Жыл бұрын
WAS it used on high security applications? "High security" and "Left exposed and unsupervised for long times" are usually mutually exclusive. If it were used only as an entry deterrent device that all authorized personel (who would ALSO have all twelve keys) were supposed to be able to access, it would make sense.
@Merennulli
Жыл бұрын
Why would they be mutually exclusive? A railroad generally isn't storing cutting edge technology in the field where it needs a weather proof lock, but it does need to deny access to critical infrastructure that needs maintenance rarely. Switching and signaling equipment being accessed by unauthorized people is a potential disaster.
@Darkside007
Жыл бұрын
@@Merennulli Sure, but a terrorist is going to get in regardless of the lock. The lock exists to keep the handful of opportunists wandering past the door out.
@Merennulli
Жыл бұрын
@@Darkside007 Kids who think it would be funny to break in because they found a set of keys online are a more serious threat than terrorists. A terrorist isn't going to disable random safety systems and cross their fingers in hopes of a tragedy, but kids messing around without realizing the risks they are causing are pretty common.
@Darkside007
Жыл бұрын
@@Merennulli ...kids are buying random keys online now? Wouldn't it be easier just to buy a saw from Lowes?
@Merennulli
Жыл бұрын
@@Darkside007 A saw is more work and more obviously destructive. A set of keys is more innocuous.
@owlwatch6572
Жыл бұрын
what I have learned from this channel is no lock is secure and our stuff is just waiting to be taken. I actually started lose sleep.
@achaerna.6662
Жыл бұрын
Today he is no longer the LockPickingLawyer, today he is the KeyHoardingDisappointer .
@paulg3336
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a video about security measures used on gates etc that use padlocks to prevent easy picking and other methods to breech the locks. For example: where I live ,the local authority uses vehicle access gates that have the whole padlock inside a large thick wall steel cylinder, about 150 ~ 200mm ID . To unlock the padlock the user has to put his hand up into the cylinder and insert the key into the lock and then lift the lock off the shackle/hasp. No part of the lock is accessible to a grinder and there is no room to perform normal picking procedures.
@briantrash
Жыл бұрын
Somehow I doubt Chris would have bothered to send him that lock (at some expense I'm sure) had he known that neither of his requests were going to be fulfilled.
@andy4an
Жыл бұрын
I'd have been satisfied with this... How many locks do you think he receives? Surely most people that send locks don't ever get featured
@briantrash
Жыл бұрын
@@andy4an Don't call me Surely.
@robertcalkjr.8325
Жыл бұрын
If someone is going to send the LPL a lock that he might want for his collection, it would be better to send two of them. That way he can keep one for his collection and destroy the other one.
@andy4an
Жыл бұрын
@@briantrash classy!
@josephhigh2412
4 ай бұрын
I was in Philadelphia ,using the SEPTA rail, in January of 2023.They use this same type of lock ,at least the ones that I could see in the airport station.
@Zetroc63
Жыл бұрын
My Boi,, True gangster takes guys lock in front of everyone "Going in my collection"......🤣😅😎
@FishFind3000
Жыл бұрын
I know right, dude just stole this guys lock. He wanted it gutted not put in your collection!
@C-M
Жыл бұрын
As someone that works on the British Railways I can tell you now that a padlock like this would be one of the most secure parts of the railway. We have thousands padlocks for all kinds of gates and control systems. These padlocks are also accessed by hundreds of people across the network. You can imagine someone patrolling a section of track with 50 gates and 50 different keys? This is an example of good enough security. It's about making something secure enough to stop people from doing something unsafe. Imagine if you left a breaker box for a 25Kv powerline unlocked. Someone who's curious as to what it does and looks like inside might casually open it up and take a look. That someone wouldn't be curious enough to open a lock. We just saved him from getting electricuted. Someone who whats to mess with that box and knows what they're doing is just going to take an axe to the wires coming out of the box. We could make it 100% secure and safe and stop people who don't need access no matter what but that would mean billions of pounds and that 0.5% of people that really want to do damage will just get on a train and pull the emergency cord causing the same amount of issues.
@jiskagrohn4951
Жыл бұрын
A disassembly video would have been nice for a change tho
@zachroth2161
Жыл бұрын
I have made my own keys for switches using a large cotter pin and cutting one side to the proper length then filing the grove.. quick and easy.
@adammcallister2260
Жыл бұрын
LPL has now reached such lock picking proficiency he now just has keys to every lock on earth 😂
@ekremaslan8068
Жыл бұрын
I guess someone didnt listen to what lpl was talking about
@adammcallister2260
Жыл бұрын
@@ekremaslan8068 I guess someone doesn’t have a sense of humour.
@ekremaslan8068
Жыл бұрын
@@adammcallister2260 Don' try to make excuses Adam, we know very well that you didn't listen the video, in fact, you are just a bot posting automated comments.
@adammcallister2260
Жыл бұрын
@@ekremaslan8068 and which part of the video did I not listen to?
@andrebartels1690
Жыл бұрын
I think it's a good design. It looks very robust and chunky, so it deters kids that have a stupid idea. It has a disk detainer core, so it deters most normal lock pickers and shimming or the little yellow urethane mallet. And, with its only three disks, it's as enduring as it possibly gets, presumably still opening up after twenty years of neglection out in weather and grime.
@mclaine33
Жыл бұрын
Lmao he lockpicked with a homemade key. That’s genius!!!
@Dyanosis
Жыл бұрын
It's not lock picking if he already has the key. Idiot.
@CC-S6-01
Жыл бұрын
They probably use this lock more as a deterrent than an actual lock. They're not bothered by the security but reliability. If a freight train gets delayed cause of a faulty lock that's going to cost them lot.
@dobashi33
Жыл бұрын
That thin chain is a quick bypass as well. Maybe it's just there so the lock doesn't fall on the floor when opened.
@baryonyxwalkeri3957
Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts too!
@xlerb2286
Жыл бұрын
I know it wasn't a good lock as far as security goes but Dad had the same master padlock on an exterior shop door since he bought the farm in 1952 up through just a couple years ago when I replaced it. Not because it failed. But I wanted a little more secure lock, and the keys I had for the lock were so worn down from decades of use and jostling around in pockets it was getting tricky to get the lock open - with a key anyway ;) I have the lock here in a drawer on my computer desk. Years of memories of opening up that lock and fun time working on projects in the shop. Not nearly up to the level of this S&G lock, but it worked.
@MrDeceptacon88
Жыл бұрын
Is the reason because in harsh weather conditions, larger pins would be easier to turn and not get stuck? 6 or 7 pin keys might have more problems??
@HAL-zh1kf
Жыл бұрын
After watching LPL pick or defeat lock after lock after lock, I now assume that most lock manufacturers have the attitude that locks are not necessarily designed to be super secure, but rather just secure enough to deter most people. They're more of a prop than anything else, enough to fool most ordinary people into not bothering to attempt to defeat them. A proper high-security lock usually costs a lot to develop, manufacture, and purchase, but a "prop" lock can be made to fit most people's budgets. There's really no other explanation as to why so many locks are so insecure. Of course, no one in the old-school lock industry ever foresaw some highly-talented expert on mass social media exposing just how insecure most locks actually are. 😄Still, most lock manufacturers apparently have yet to change their strategy.
@grimreaper6557
Жыл бұрын
We used the Sergeant & Greenleaf locks in the military a lot both the kind you just showed and a higher security level version
@paulroberts3639
Жыл бұрын
“Resistant to Weather. Please keep lock in packaging whilst in use.”
@Maajadah
Жыл бұрын
Wait he’s not going to pick it anyways?!?! 😢
@echotree5482
Жыл бұрын
Hey LpL, Railroad employee here Generally speaking, most Rail Yards, Ramps, etc. Have multiple security systems in place, including cameras and security patrols that drive around the lots. Furthermore these locks are usually used on things that Generally aren't used for entry, but still require multiple people (from multiple shifts) to have a key for use.
@pinpaho
Жыл бұрын
Would a 5 or 7 "disc" version of this lock style be more secure? I'm still curious as to what locks he recommends.
@RichardDzien
Жыл бұрын
Then you would hear him say.. "..rotate all the discs clockwise and use the tool Bosnian Bill and I made,..." etc etc.
@AndrewWellsPlus
Жыл бұрын
Definitely. You couldn't just walk up with 12 keys and try them. You'd need (assuming they keep the trend of only using a few of their disc options) 48-192 different keys. Which is a lot more to try.
@ashkebora7262
Жыл бұрын
For normal lock types, he seems to like the paclock stuff pretty well. Otherwise, obscure lock types with good construction are better, but I cannot remember any specific brands besides abus, and their good locks are real expensive!
@eikuz
Жыл бұрын
Abloy should have have a product for most needs. Abloy sento is used in a lot of building where i live and will pretty much make sure that no one is going to pick locks to get in, and thats an old desing. New desings are pretty much impossible to pick. They also make weather proof IP68 padlocks
@pfdx
Жыл бұрын
It was explained to me when these were entering service that the railroads wanted a lock that was extremely reliable in the field and because of the shear numbers, thousands on a division and hundreds of crews of various crafts, that maintaining control of the keys was impossible. So th choice was made to use the larger, clunky guts for increased reliability, and focus on preventing causal access. For perspective the locks these replaced had in some areas been in service for over 50 years with the same years so with key loss and most retirees kept their switch keys, something that was issued on the their first day of employment, they weren’t all that secure either.
@torygrima
Жыл бұрын
Why does he say please put comments below, and then practically never replies?
@syd.a.m
Жыл бұрын
Because he still reads them.
@maxwellstylez
Жыл бұрын
When content creators say to put comments below its because when a video gets more comments it gets more interaction and youtube is more likely to show it to other people. I don't know if I just broke the "youtubers are my friends" illusion for you so sorry.
@CiaranMaxwell
Жыл бұрын
He wants to reply. But there's not enough hours in the day for it. He addresses it in one of his videos.
@lairdcummings9092
Жыл бұрын
He does, *rarely,* reply. But he also gets a lot of information from other lock enthusiasts whom are more familiar with specific locks than he.
@spammeatwill
Жыл бұрын
Anyone watching these videos should know that no lock, however good it is, will stop a skilled and/or determined attacker. This is even more true considering that those locks are often used in remote, isolated locations. That being said, they can only be relied upon to prevent opportunistic access (e.g. a curious child) or getting opened by the elements - and for that a low security lock with a key every technician carries is ideal.
@hung_guanciale8275
Жыл бұрын
Hi LPL fans! 😊👋
@robertheinkel6225
Жыл бұрын
That lock is lime the ignition key on lawn mowers. It is for safety, so it’s is harder to start, than security. A screwdriver will start most lawn mowers without damage to the switch.
@brennandavis2313
Жыл бұрын
My best guess is that the lock isn't intended as a serious security measure, but rather a way to ensure a door stays shut during harsh weather conditions. The limited amount of keys would make them very easy to distribute among a wide variety of people, good for a company with many workers, and, as LPL said in the video, the locks tend to be used on seldom-used or visited areas, meaning anyone who really wanted whatever was being locked away wouldn't have much trouble with other, more destructive means of entry.
@4C51
Жыл бұрын
I imagine this is just the railroad equivalent of a CH751, a deterrent for people just poking around, but if someone needs to get into something, they will always have the key.
@eppersonelectrical1621
Жыл бұрын
“I now will attempt to pick this lock…….with a key!”
@trischas.2809
Жыл бұрын
often, such locks are not meant to secure items but to prevent casual access. In that way, quick access and a limited number of keys are preferable. That many of such locks are in places that are either dangerous to be in in the first place (like *being in a railyard*), speed of access to minimize danger can be just as crucial as having only limited number of keys - it makes it easier for authorized people to get the correct key ring(s) with them. It is pretty much like a lockout system for electricity or an elevator fire key in that means.
@dlstracted1306
Жыл бұрын
The subtitles have upgraded again. Now I'm watching the Walk Between Lawyer.
@N3m3sls
Жыл бұрын
These are great locks!
@jeffarnim
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes a lock is simply to cover insurance requirements that keep wanton people from getting inside a dangerous area - mostly kids. Like the lock on a swimming pool gate that is simply high enough to keep accidental or unknowing from wandering into the water. In this case the fence is only required to be a certain height (4 feet), and have a latch that is high enough as well. If you can break the lock, or pick it, you’re smart enough to know you probably shouldn’t, and that keeps out the mistakes. 👍🏻
@jchiliw
Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid about 50 years ago. My friend picked a lock on a railroad switch. It was just a rail siding near our home. The railroad detectives were all over town looking for him. When they caught him,they made him show how he picked the lock. He used his pocket knife. They were horrified at how easily he did it. They changed the locks and he didn't get into much trouble with the law.
@JohnMuise
Жыл бұрын
I use these locks on the daily. never had an issue with them!
@dfunited1
Жыл бұрын
It's November 7th, and I'm already excited for the April 1st video. "Hi I'm the LPL, and today I'm going to show how to gain ingress into my wife's goodies"
@MobiusBandwidth
Жыл бұрын
the lock-unlocking lawyer.
@georgetreisbach3849
Жыл бұрын
'Back in the day' Railroads single keyed most of their locks. The key/locks were identified with railroad marks. made it easier for switching cars into sidings.
@sethjessbry32
Жыл бұрын
As a railroader I was wondering when you would come across one of these, thanks for using a key.
@airkami
Жыл бұрын
Great demonstration
@murraystewartj
Жыл бұрын
Way back I was a parent volunteer at my kids' elementary school. As such i was on occasion given the master key to the school and the alarm code (for weekend events) and the "gate key". The gate key opened the gate so that firefighters could get onto the areas of the property not usually accessible to vehicles. It also unlocked the dumpsters, so the garbage/recycling guys had the same key to unlock the gate and the dumpsters. One of the parents worked for BC Ferries and had the exact same key that was common for the same purposes. It's all about avoiding the hassle of having different keys for different users - the lock is meant as a deterrent, not true security. Given that these were all cheap Master locks..... Another fun thing I learned was that not only did our school not change the 4-digit alarm code annually, but it was the same code for every school in the district and hadn't been changed in 20+ years. I'll bet if I chose to visit that city ever again and had a master key and could make duplicates for accomplices, it would be easy to have free reign to steal whatever wasn't nailed down (I still remember the alarm code). Security is often an illusion. I'd hope by now the school board has joined the 21st century and implemented personal swipe cards or something, but I doubt it. Instutional inertia is a hard thing to overcome. Edit - this school board had the band rooms as free standing buildings. Same master key, different alarm code. I remember that too.
@Pyrolock
Жыл бұрын
I believe the focus for this lock was for protection against brute force attacks and to work in extreme environmental conditions, for which it is well suited
@francoisbelangerboisclair
Жыл бұрын
The most weather resistant padlock are usually warded padlock. They are great to lock a backyard form dogs and children's. You don't need to use a high security lock on a 4 feet's fences gates...
@XtreeM_FaiL
Жыл бұрын
1st I tought it was a fluke, but then I realise that the key was also used to lock it.
@djfunkychicken
Жыл бұрын
Big.. Beefy.. Best in all weather conditions.. But can be opened with a filed down stick Sounds brilliant
@scyyyy
Жыл бұрын
idk if in US it's the same, but over here, things are simple: no lock -> negligence -> no insurance. Paperlock without security -> insurance coverage
@amateurshooter6054
Жыл бұрын
Thanks LPL
@jt7250
Жыл бұрын
Masterlock: "Aha, a lock that the lockpicking lawyer refused to pick. We have our next new padlock design boys"
@KK-fs8rm
Жыл бұрын
It’s probably less a security measure and more a lock-out measure. A way to prevent something from being *accidentally* opened or switched, either by happenstance or human error. You see stuff like this in fire, rigging, drilling, a lot of stuff with heavy duty circuit breakers, and “under maintenance” machinery. So the simple cylinder with readily available keys is almost certainly because it’s not *supposed* to be for security. It’s for safety.
@AzraNoxx
Жыл бұрын
Person: "Hello, have you heard of this American lock before?' Lock Picking Lawyer: "Yes."
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