The Invasion failed, because The Invasion was, as Paul Heyman said, a watered down, bad episode of Nitro. No Hollywood Hogan, no Goldberg, no Sting, no Ric Flair, no Scott Steiner, no Kevin Nash, no Scott Hall, no Randy Savage, no DDP, no Lex Luger. They all had guaranteed money to sit at home. The only big WCW star, was Booker T, and one man can't carry a whole team against the biggest Wrestling promotion in the world. If The Invasion had consisted of Booker T (co-captain), Tommy Dreamer (co-captain), DDP, RVD, Rhino and Sandman, The Invasion may had been better.
@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
6 жыл бұрын
DDP was there, he and Chris Kanyon won the WWF World Tag Team Titles together for a brief time
@chasingdragons1933
6 жыл бұрын
Ddp was the biggest part of the invasion. Rvd and rhino and dreamer were also there
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
Eric Bischoff should also be there in order to be the smartass genius who’s leading the WCW Invasion
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
@@chasingdragons1933 DDP was fed to Undertaker and made to look a fool, 2 weeks and he had been buried and replaced as the leader by Austin, who continued his idiotic heel persona. Booker T was then fed to the Rock and buried 6 feed under within 5 minutes of being put into a programme with him. The only one who really survived that storyline was RVD and that's probably down to the fact he was Heymans guy and Heyman protected him somewhat,, Even then Austin was being asked to bring him down a peg during certain segments. I can remember Austin burying a lot of Alliance members as well, he'd mock them and make them look stupid (Hugh Morris being one),, they had no chance the few that decided to participate in it sadly.. Booker T eventually got his push as King Booker and RVD got his minor push before being sacked.
@zacktyler2810
2 жыл бұрын
Ric Fkair was there also.
@adampalmer7387
6 жыл бұрын
Adding Goldberg sting and flare alone would have changed everything
@antiheroandy9109
4 жыл бұрын
But goldberg is more of a lone wolf type guy so it wouldn't make scenes if he was part of a group
@allencollins5666
10 ай бұрын
@@antiheroandy9109Sure He Would. He Wasn't Afraid Of Anyone He Was Team WCW Against Both NWO Factions-Goldberg, Roddy Piper, DDP & Ultimate Warrior. And Goldberg & 5 The Horsemen Took On 13 NWO Members. Goldberg Had Lots Of Allies/Friends. He Was Just So Tough & Superman When First He Took On Raven's Flock, 6 Of Them By Himself. Goldberg Would've Wanted To Be Part Of The Invasion To Also Go Against Steve Austin. He Challenged Him On The Tonight Show With Jay Leno. Austin Was Scared To Face Him In WCW Because Steve Austin Only Got Over Because Of The Attitude Era. If It Wasn't For The Attitude Era He Would've Been The Same Steve Austin He Was In WCW. If Austin Went Back To WCW, He Would've Saw That He Would've Been In Midcard If He Went Back To WCW. WCW Roster Was Superior.
@youtubemember1115
6 жыл бұрын
Because Vince McMahon wasn't fair to WCW and ECW. He didn't showcase their talent the right way.
@ShockTheSystem
5 жыл бұрын
Luis Ferri of course he wasn't fair to them. If he didn't like you (even if you worked for the WWF) you were buried. WCW and wrestling legend Sting had two matches in WWE and lost both. Boy, perfect way for Vince to get his revenge on Sting for refusing to come to WWF/E AND throw yet another punch to the longtime WCW fans by having Sting not only lose his WWE matches, but have him lose in the shittiest of ways.
@Eternaldarkness3166
4 жыл бұрын
Weren't the Radicalz from one of those companies right? I feel like they should have gotten more belts between them all before they split-up, and don't even get me started on what they did to Saturn.
@ShockTheSystem
3 жыл бұрын
Misguided Angel yeah, that’s exactly it
@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
3 жыл бұрын
@@ShockTheSystem actually, Sting had more than two matches, on an episode of RAW he faced Big Show and won by disqualification and then immediately teamed with Cena to face Rollins and Big Show
@saintstryfe
8 жыл бұрын
The ultimate failure of the Invasion came out not when the angle mercifully ended, but a year later when Rock left for Hollywood and Austin was hurt/not willing to work with Scott Hall. They built up so much into those two that when they left, they were bereft of any support. The Smackdown! 6 carried them for a bit, but it didn't help that Monday Nights were barren, leading to needing to slot Hunter, who worked best as a heel, into a reign so long, painful and uneventful that it's still a cause of resentment to this day. A truly bad wrestling angle, however, is defined by one thing: How much money did you lose. And the Invasion angle had the absolute most humiliatingly huge amount of money lost. It was a complete failure, on every level; creative, personnel, entertainment, TV ratings, performer happiness, and of course, financially too.
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
This is why I always laugh when people moan about how "the WWE has forgotten how to build talent".... They've never been able to build and put over talent,, they find one big star and ram him down the fans throats until he eventually gets fed up and fooks off to hollywood ie Cena Rock etc. I remember 2001 well enough that they had Angle red hot that summer, he'd become the ultimate babyface in the company, the fans went nuts for him,,, they took 3 months to put the strap on him before they had him drop it again 3 weeks later and then... turn him back into the cry baby heel... Why? because they couldn't have anyone upstage the Rock that's why,, Austin only turned heel because the bloke himself demanded it,, otherwise Vince would have had him stay as he was for another 3 or 4 years just playing the same shtick. But by that point The Rock was the top guy and no one was coming between that,, When Rock wanted out they then flucked upon Cena (Who was always a poor choice but it worked because the demographic watching loved him),, they then have the Nexus come in running amok and they were over and red hot so what do they do?.... feed them to Cena at Summerslam who proceeded to bury them.. Why? because no one can upstage the number 1 guy.... And this has ALWAYS been WWF/WWE,, no one is allowed to upset the established order until that order leaves. Austin buried Beniot, Jericho and Angle that 2001 summer,, none of them were allowed to get to over.
@allencollins5666
25 күн бұрын
@@therebel4332lol
@theluckiesteh9058
7 жыл бұрын
I actually like Rob Van Dam in the Angle! He was one of the few good things about this shit Angle!
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
You could tell he was being majorly held back though,, he was so over they had to turn down the crowd pops when he came out.
@jeffjackson9679
6 жыл бұрын
Even if Vince was too cheap to buy out the WCW stars contracts, he should have just held off the invasion angle for a year or so, and do a full tilt WCW invasion with Goldberg, Flair, NWO, Bischoff, and (probably) Sting (Sting held off for years joining WWE because of the way they treated the initial WCW stars like a joke).
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
Sting then came in and it was confirmed to him they had no intention of ever giving them a chance,, when they fed him to Triple H at Wrestlemania.. I mean they even had him jobbing to Seth Fooking Rollins,, Seth Rollins is without doubt the most overrated indy ponce ever,, how he's had the pushes he's had is amzing to me.
@elliotlytle9531
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair to the Alliance, the reason they started using that name is because they technically couldn't use the ECW name because it was still in Bankruptcy court
@therebel4332
6 жыл бұрын
You couldnt have an invasion without goldberg sting etc being led by eric bishoff,, it was led by shane and Stephanie ffs,, with leader being austin. In the end it became wwf beating the alliance down cleanly and the only wins the alliance got were heelish wins,, sorry but they were not a threat because of that. Plus stephanie in her high pitched girly gimmick running ecw? For god sake,, it should have been led by paul heyman. They had the holy grail storyline and decided to turn it into a cartoon gimmick,, and the wcw and ecw deserved so much better,, even the attitude era deserved to go out better. It was a sham from start to finish.
@ShockTheSystem
5 жыл бұрын
TheRebel the only real clean win that I can recall for WCW/ECW was at Invasion when Billy Kidman beat X-PAC. Oh and RVD beating Jeff Hardy. But that's about it.
@BigG87
6 жыл бұрын
Personally I think the whole angle should have been shelved a year until you get the top stars by default or by desperation (on their part needing the money and there being no-one else to work for), you can sell it to the audience a year later for the reason for the delay in that there had been long negotiations ongoing between Haymen and Shane/Stephanie or even Bischoff (Bischoff would have been more believable) to bring the old boys back together and get them WWF back door contracts to wrestle under the nose of Vince, in an attempt to prove a point as to who the best roaster really was, to play our the 'monday night wars' physically and ultimately later down the story line as a play for the company inside a company trying to put the company it works for out of business (the old WCW/NWO concept revived). The invasion concept could of ran for years, you could of had Vince employing NWO as mercenaries against the WCW/ECW, double crosses, grabs for power and rights at key ppvs like WCW winning the rights to smackdown and turning it into the new Nitro show and eventually when the storyline had ran out of steam years later a winner takes all survivor series match team WWf vs Team WCW but that could of been 5 years later. It could of even been running to this day and instead of splitting the roaster between raw and smackdown 'brands' the WCW brand could have been used as a false competition within a company, having wcw/wwf ppvs with cross over ppvs at the big four events throughout the years.
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
They weren't interested in a proper invasion storyline. And the September attacks had something to do with it as well.
@tobiaswilliamson00
4 жыл бұрын
12:40 If the combination of those four superstars from Survivor Series 2001, sounds familiar, it's because those were the four who competed in 4 Superstars, 3 Matches, 2 World Titles, 1 Undisputed Champion angle for Vengeance 2001 the month after the Winner Take All match at Survivor Series.
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
Chris Jericho got the Undisputed title yet he gets shafted so that the HHH v Stephanie divorce takes center stage
@BrianLG100
8 жыл бұрын
It wasn't over after that, NWO sucked, Goldberg sucked, Booker T got screwed at Mania 19, I could go on!
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
NWO was an even bigger stink job than the invasion,, sure they had them do some funky backstage stuff but you could tell that storyline was never going to stick for long. Didn't they end up having Shawn Michaels leading it? with the Big Show, Xpac in it also hahaha. It eventually became a circus comedy filler. Goldberg did at least win the World title,, Booker T got his push but only when it was a WWE created gimmick ie King Booker, although he was a heel.
@BrianLG100
2 жыл бұрын
@@therebel4332 You are on Point. I get why Hogan was taken out, due to the fact it was more marketable. Goldberg was at least champion but I hated the fact they made him look weak. Booker t. wasn't huge on King Booker, liked em better with his 2003 personality. X Pac and Big Show in the nWo, I was ok with, but in my eyes, Kevin nash was always the leader in my eyes.
@jenisia3600
5 жыл бұрын
Bro great video, you hit the nailon the coffin on every point
@conor-_C
7 жыл бұрын
think I'm the only person who enjoyed the invasion
@josephwilliams3185
7 жыл бұрын
I liked it too.
@BigDave113100
7 жыл бұрын
Conor Condon it could have been better but I enjoyed it
@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
6 жыл бұрын
It had its moments, but it could've and should've been better(have Eric Bischoff be the Commissioner of WCW, Tony commentating Smackdown with Cole and PPV with JR, DDP vs. Rock at Summer Slam)
@Phoenixjuvibaby
6 жыл бұрын
i watched it when i was a kid. it was exciting but didnt know in detail what made it plummet
@trinahoover5223
6 жыл бұрын
It was atrocious compared to the potential it truly had. Leave it to Vince to fuck up the best angle the wrestling world ever saw.
@d.jphillips9040
6 жыл бұрын
Points well taken! If handled properly with some strategic thought, this angle could have been the greatest in wrestling history. 17 years later, I'm still disgusted at the mishandling of it. I was a hardcore fan during the Monday Night Wars / Attitude Era, but I couldn't take watching after around 2002. The invasion in large part ruined it for me.
@isaiahwinbrone
5 жыл бұрын
The Invasion storyline failed miserably
@aztecautobot7404
7 жыл бұрын
this is got to be one of the most accurate wrestling videos ever seen someone do the WCW invasion was watered down it was all about making the WWE wrestlers look good not that they're not good already but it was just to make WCW look bad
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
They started watering down the Attitude Era stuff as well. Thinking about it this was the slow transition back to PG in my opinion. Austin was no longer the rampaging anti hero, Taker had moved away from the ministry gimmick, Kane was less of a monster,, Rock was transitioning into a more family friendly shtick,, Vince was less over the top. There was less edgy storylines like the ministry of darkness etc.
@Tubewings
8 жыл бұрын
11:13; This was not Jumping the Shark. This was Jumping the Shark, coming back, shooting it in the balls, raping it, eating its flesh, consuming its soul, mounting its head on a wall, and then doing the same thing to THIRTEEN more sharks just to be safe!
@VitaminJameC
7 жыл бұрын
Well, the intent was to start the Invasion at WrestleMania 17, but Shawn Stasiak blabbed about it, and it was delayed.
@ShockTheSystem
5 жыл бұрын
There should have been ECW rules in some of these matches as well. I have watched some ECW PPVs via the network and the fans REALLY got into it. Only one match at InVasion got anything like an ECW match got, the Hardcore title match between champ Jeff Hardy and challenger RVD.
@Eternaldarkness3166
4 жыл бұрын
When the NWO invaded WCW it worked, because it was kept secret and a total surprise when it happened. It was more tongue-in-cheek so to say. Yeah, we kinda knew about the contracts, but nothing was fully out in the open enough for it to not work so when they came in it worked. They were big stars, and they came in when they were hot and still an attraction, so their "betrayal invasion" worked a whole lot more. When WWF tried to do it, everyone knew WWF bought WCW and owned all its talent. So, any talent that was formerly apart that came in, wasn't a big surprise. If Sting, Hulk Hogan, ect.. came back into WWF at that time, it would have been huge and then it would have worked. While the stars that came in for the angle were somewhat big, they weren't that big enough to make as dramatic an impact like it was with WCW. Finally. When Scott Hall and Kevin Nash did it, they were right in the middle of the ratings war. It was heavy competition, and going over to the other side wasn't that much known back then, so it was a huge shock to the fans and WCW sold it so much better than WWF did. WWF didn't really sell it that well. The stars were good enough, but not what it should have been. The ratings war was over, WWE won and the fans knew there was no more competition. Plus, the fans already knew WWF owned the talent, so it seemed like a silly point to get all hot and bothered when the talent from the "other side" started showing up. If WWE kept it quieter as they did, instead of blabbing they bought out WCW, then when the Invasion happened, it would have had a more dramatic impact on the WWE Universe.
@Tubewings
8 жыл бұрын
I think a future Top list should be Vince McMahon's worst ego trips (such as this, the "God" angle, McMahon in every corner, winning the WWF Championship, winning the ECW Championship, Lakers vs. Nuggets on RAW, etcetera).
@eric44ism
5 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how none of this ever even crossed my mind, probably because I wasn’t a big wcw or ecw fan but now that you made this list it makes perfect sense. Where the hell were the big names of wcw? The Austin heel turn never made much sense to me either
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
Stone Cold said that he regretted turning heel at WrestleMania 17. Vince could have assisted Austin to win but he gets Stunned by Stone Cold, therefore maintaining his DTA attitude
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbandada9887 If they knew they were going to go down the Invasion angle at WM17 they should have delayed Austins heel turn, had him win clean vs the Rock and then had him run like a god until they got to invasion,, whereby he then gets his heel turn there betraying the WWF... That would have been an epic way to turn him heel. Instead they had him become a total mess of a heel for 4 months and his quick heel switch after going back face before Invasion was just meh and so what type responses.
@darringriffin8672
5 жыл бұрын
Since WWF was going to get the big names until later. With The Rock returning in August of that year. And Chris Benoit and Triple H not returning from injuries until December to give the Invasion angle have any relevance was to make the biggest star in WWF defect to WCW. If Steve Austin didn't turn on WWF and with The Rock returning. Invasion angle would not have lasted a month. Look at what happened when Austin almost single handily dominated WCW on RAW episode before INVASION ppv. Suppose WWF makes a clean sweep at INVASION ppv. Then The Rock returns from Hollywood the night after. It would be like the Original USA Basketball Dream Team or New England Patriots beating a bunch nobodies every week. It's unfortunate we didn't get to see matches that fans always wanted. Just like in 1992, we didn't get a Hogan-Flair main event at WrestleMania.
@isaiahwinbrone
6 жыл бұрын
The invasion storyline was a flop👎🏿👎🏿
@teenchampionshipwrestlinga4034
7 жыл бұрын
If I booked the Invasion my top priorities with what I have would be 1.Lance Storm=Main Eventer 2.Make it a triple threat war between ECW,WCW,WWF with HEYMAN as ECW's owner 3.Hire Jeff Jarrett his contract was cheap, damn Vince and his grudges
@travismcdonald6576
4 жыл бұрын
Once WCW was bought by McMahon, he went back to giving fans the product he thinks you want.
@tobiaswilliamson00
4 жыл бұрын
The thing I hate about the Invasion Angle is that even if you have the big names from WCW (Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Goldberg, Flair), the angle would have still been mostly the same. There would have still been pointless ship jumps, 50/50 booking the entire time, and the WCW side not taking over Raw and SmackDown and making them Nitro and Thunder, respectively.
@savagedarksider5934
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, True...
@brianlogan4243
6 жыл бұрын
To me the downward trend of wrestling, especially WWE, all began when Vince McMahon the "announcer" made himself the "on air" main heel at SS 1997 in Montreal. He changed his entire presentation and has never really moved out of the spotlight. The talent MUST BE THE STARS!! Not THE OWNERS!! Does even Dana White fight in UFC??? Did the Fratida brothers win fights and titles? NEVER!!! Believability is key.. Not "sports entertainment"
@juliusrage1987
5 жыл бұрын
The night Austin came down to help fight off the WCW and ECW, when he finally thought he had won...the lights should have went out and when they came back on...Booker T, Scott Steiner, Nash, Flair, DDP, Machoman and STING should have been surrounding him.
@allencollins1617
5 жыл бұрын
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@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
Bischoff comes out with his trademark smirk
@williamhowe1
8 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Adam form Whatculturewrestling's rebooking of the Invasion storyline!
@richiemakyura724
4 жыл бұрын
And people says this one was the best storyline so far
@quarf53206
6 жыл бұрын
it should have been booked as a coup or a civil war. After the purchase of wcw have the wcw wrestlers come in and nothing happens. Then when the big name stars come in. Have them come in off screen all while the undercard wcw stars get all riled and start beating the wwe stars and then the big named wcw stars come on screen and then make it look like they are taking over. If it was written like a coup or a civil war then the WWE stars defecting to WCW wouldnt have looked stupid
@petebrown3715
8 жыл бұрын
It's sad WWE does not have another company pushing competition. It was much better when WCW was around to push WWE to be more creative. Now it's just stiff. I mean PG? Yuck. They need to reinvent WWE from the ground up.
@conor-_C
7 жыл бұрын
Peter Brown need TNA back when it was good
@Regulification
7 жыл бұрын
Conor Condon TNA is too small compared to WCW.
@conor-_C
7 жыл бұрын
i know that but at least was doing some great stuff
@trinahoover5223
6 жыл бұрын
Peter Brown tna, AAA, NJPW, lucha underground, AJPW
@andrewisjesus
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The PG era is a result of no competition.
@VOAN
17 күн бұрын
Also a lot of WWF and WCW wrestlers started disappearing from television while the angle was active too. From the beginning of WrestleMania 17 to the end with Survivor Series we lost D'Lo Brown, Ken Shamrock, Road Dogg, R-Truth, Big Show, Brian Adams, Brian Clark, X-Pac, Shawn Michaels, Grand Master Sexay, Scotty 2 Hotty, Gangrel, Luna Vachon, Chyna, Rikishi Phatu, Haku, Stevie Richard, Brooklyn Brawler, Just Joe, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Triple H, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Spike Dudley, Molly Holly, Mike Awesome, Raven, Buff Bagwell, Mankind, Val Venis, the Godfather, and TAKA Michinoku.
@drew5241
7 жыл бұрын
this is opinion for those who deem this a failed storyline... I for one loved the whole invasion storyline, looked forward to it each monday and thursday.
@thomascrowley9122
6 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@tobiaswilliamson00
4 жыл бұрын
I feel that even if Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Goldberg, and Flair where in the company for The Invasion Angle, they're still would have been pointless ship jumps from one side to the other and the angle ending at Survivor Series 2001 without WCW taking over Raw & SmackDown and making them Nitro and Thunder, respectively.
@brianlogan4243
6 жыл бұрын
No invasion works correcty because one company has usually closed or been absorbed. WWF aka Vince MUST show "we were always the better ones" and its why Sting jobbed in all his WWE appearances. Unless there is a real threat from the antagonist, there is no real heat. There must be big bad ass dragons or the dragon slayers don't exist.
@mrmarcus200525
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for filling in a lot of "holes" because certain things weren't clear to me..
@markmenning1804
6 жыл бұрын
I thought the thing of Austin joining WCW was trying to imitate Hogan joining nwo
@therebel4332
2 жыл бұрын
It would have been similar had they not turned him heel at WM, and then had him running round giving hugs to Vince for nearly 4 months before his betrayal. They'd watered his character down to the point of no return by Invasion.
@liontasouou
8 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with all points. Vince had a golden goose and decided to take a dump on it..And after eliminating all serious competition , wrestling suffered a slow and steady downfall.It's shocking that no one tried to advise him on how to make this storyline work.You have fucking Paul Heyman there, i'm sure he had some pretty good ideas.Then again, Vince is Vince and at the end of the day, he's gonna do what his ego tells him.
@ajk
8 жыл бұрын
And that's why Heyman left some years later too.....over the ECW debacle (aka December to Dismember in particular). Can't imagine he was happy with what he saw even back then 5 years earlier. Shame really all this, yeah he's great on the mic but he's got an incredible creative mind that is just wasted in WWE because of Vince's ego.
@DARKDURELL2
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you because I am from the Attitude Era and you didn't get Rey Mysterio where was he at that time
@paulgresham4052
7 жыл бұрын
u sir r a legend
@JimmysReviewsArchives
8 жыл бұрын
You think the Invasion would have been tolerable if they only stuck with using the ECW Roster? There were lots of talent WWF acquired from them, and even the crowd recognized them. Paul Heyman would be the mouth figure ala Eric Bischoff in the nWo. Maybe they could've pulled it off like their initial invasion in 1997.
@WeAreProWrestling
8 жыл бұрын
+GoldStandard00924 The problem is WWE didn't own the ECW name in 2001; it was going through bankruptcy court & WWE didn't acquire the rights until 2003. The only reason The Alliance existed is because they didn't own the rights to ECW. In a perfect world maybe; however the true money was WWF v. WCW, not WWF v. ECW.
@JimmysReviewsArchives
8 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I didn't realize that until now. If WWE hadn't invested so much on the XFL, perhaps they could have gotten enough money to purchase some of WCW's top tier names sooner than they did. Just a little theory there.
@highjim7778
7 жыл бұрын
this was the beginning of the end of the business. The biggest storyline ever and it was fucked up so much it led to the shit that followed.
@markhansolo8636
3 жыл бұрын
Vince McMahon really fucked this up.
@ShockTheSystem
5 жыл бұрын
One thing I hated was all WWF was face and WCW/ECW (refuse to call them the A word) being heel. Typical Vince. The McMahons should have been tweeners and stayed back from the camera (A McMahon taking a backseat? Yeah, dream on. Once again, typical Vince) and let the ones drawing the fans in do the dirty work.
@TheDman22088
7 жыл бұрын
It was when WCW was bought out and shut down that I never watched wrestling again....
@williamhowe1
8 жыл бұрын
At least the Alliance wasn't Aces and Eights.
@williamhowe1
8 жыл бұрын
***** I mean at least the allaince won their fair share of matches. Ace and eights the only winners were Devon and Bully Ray.
@conor-_C
7 жыл бұрын
Minythinte invasion had heymen comentating for them
@allencollins5666
6 ай бұрын
Yeah The Alliance Best 8 Members-DDP, Booker T, Shawn Stasiak, Mark Jindrak, Sean O'Haire, Chuck Palumbo, Mike Awesome & Buff Bagwell Were Far Superior To Aces And Eights(A Mostly Vanilla Midgets Faction). The Invasion Could've Worked If The WWE Worked With What They Had. WCW Roster Was Better Than The WWE Most Years. WWE Could've Pushed Those WCW Guys I Just List Except Bagwell And Brought Kronik Over At The Beginning Of The Invasion. And They Still Could've Continued It When The BIGGER Names Came. WCW Would've Had More Top Stars. WCW Had Far More Built Muscular Heavyweights Than The WWE. The WWE At The Time Had 8-Steve Austin, Kane, Kurt Angle, Faarooq, Hardcore Holly, Test, Billy Gunn And Bull Buchanan. Then When The Rock Returned They Would've Had 9. The WWE Chose To Bring Less WCW Built Muscular Heavyweights. During Working With What They Had, Fans Would've Anticipated The Bigger Names Coming And They Would've Said WCW So Superior. Karma. Had Eric Bischoff Been Able To Buy WCW, They Were Going To Have 20 Stars-Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Lex Luger, Ric Flair, Scott Hall,, DDP, Sting , Goldberg, Sid Vicious, Roddy Piper, Randy Savage, Jeff Jarrett, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Mike Awesome, Chuck Palumbo, Shawn Stasiak, Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindak And RVD/Batista. WCW Were Going To Come Back And Put The WWE Out Of Business. And Yhe WWE Was Getting Stale, That's Why They Started The Invasion Angle In June. And Then Chris Benoit & Chris Jericho Were Their Top Babyfaces. WCW Would've Destroyed.
@thrashmaniac99
8 жыл бұрын
I think another reason you can add on would that there was no ECW championships involved when the WCW championships were.
@WeAreProWrestling
8 жыл бұрын
+thrashmaniac99 They couldn't have had the ECW championships involved because they didn't own the rights to ECW in 2001. It was going through bankruptcy court in 2001 & WWE didn't obtain the rights to ECW until 2003. The only reason The Alliance was even a thing was due to them not owning the rights to ECW.
@ajk
8 жыл бұрын
+WAPW which then begs the question, why get ECW involved at all if you know you don't have the rights for them? stupid stupid stupid.
@MrJayjay1279
8 жыл бұрын
The stalker should've been Sting/Raven
@gazeunderthesunmusic
7 жыл бұрын
J-Ro 1279 the stalker should've been scott steiner instead of DDP
@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't have suited Sting at all, best choice would've been Scotty Steiner or Raven, Steiner because he can then hit on her while cutting promos and say the following. "Undertaker, you say you make people famous, I'm the Big Bad Booty Daddy and I'm already famous. Heck I'm more famous than famous, I promise you this Taker, if you think you'll make Big Papa Pump famous, then you should go back to *Insert his College Graduation Year* and do that by being outwrestled by a real man and when I'm done manhandling you, your wife will seek me, kneel down, and pay homage to the Big Bad Booty Daddy.*Slides shades on his nose to show his eyes* Holler if you hear me." While Raven's reason would be to get Taker to pay attention to him and a desire to get noticed in a sick and twisted way
@johnnydelgado5788
6 жыл бұрын
I c it sting stalking sarah uses ddp as a pond wm18 sting vs undertaker dam that sucks
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
@@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954 Steiner’s gonna start trashing all WWF guys like calling Stone Cold a “bald headed jackass” and Kurt Angle an “Olympic dumbass” and “a red, white and blue SOB”
@CarlosGarcia-ut2th
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Invasion Angle failed, but the Invasion Austin was also worthless (just a prank :)
@foxstarkiller
8 жыл бұрын
Question: did you by any chance watch the Kayfabe Commentaries' "Guest Booker" episode with Jim Cornette where he rebooked the Invasion and if so, what did you think of how he went about doing it?
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
He should have kept the old timers out and used the guys that are the focal point of the Monday Night Wars
@Clevelandsonlyrealauditsource
Жыл бұрын
I agree with the points
@andrewisjesus
6 жыл бұрын
Stone cold heel turn was great. Like the finger poke of doom, marks dont get the point, You're not supposed to like the heels. The turns are supposed to piss you off. If you like the heels, they arent heels 👠, the entire concept is to be hated and booed. Turning Austin 👡 and the What? gimmick was great. Austin was booed, yes they popped for him at times but booed his promos because " f👡ck him for being an assh👡le" which is the entire point. They lost fans because of squashing wcw and ecw, and the PG era
@allencollins1617
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Power To You.🤜🤛
@cowboydoggy7697
3 жыл бұрын
It's been 20 years since the invasion, and it's still one of the most divisive angles in not even wrestling history, but in t.v. history as well.
@krazie0013
7 жыл бұрын
"What in the mother of FUCK..."
@kkdb22
7 жыл бұрын
i had similar thoughts on why the invasion story line did not work out well. I agree wholeheartely with you. A lot of people including me thought that invasion storyline was the best when really it was the worst things WWF has ever done. A lot of fans and money behind that along with everything else after that is why WWE is the way it is today! So sad!
@aarona.4937
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, these are very agreeable points on why the WCW Invasion of the WWF back in 2001 failed. But looking back now, I can't picture the big names of WCW like Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, etc., as being a part of the Invasion at that time. Sure, the WWF fan base hated WCW. But the WCW wrestlers that I mentioned, would've been respected and accepted more because of their status while the mid-card wrestlers from WCW that were part of the Invasion would've been hated and disrespected by the WWF fan base like they were during this particular storyline. And when it comes to the ECW half of the Alliance during the Invasion storyline, certain ECW wrestlers such as The Sandman, Sabu, Balls Mahoney, Axl Rotten, and New Jack weren't involved either. Of course, four out of those five ECW wrestlers that I mentioned came into WWF/WWE as part of the ECW invasions of both 2005 and 2006. I guess there's always going to be "what if" questions when it comes to this particular storyline in WWF/WWE history.
@michaelbreen7865
2 жыл бұрын
I look at this video six years after it was uploaded and think about how bruised Vince's ego has become lately.
@dagameplayer
6 жыл бұрын
It failed because Vince didn't try to make it succeed. They just won the Monday night wars and he wanted to stick it to them rather than cash on the people he brought in. The fact that he turned the entire group heel was stupid enough. I mean this wasn't some faction it was supposed to be an entire company invading so it should have been a mix of good and bad guys. Especially Booker T and DDP. Those guys got the biggest pops out of all the WCW guys when they debuted and it went absolutely no where. So called Vets like Undertaker treating DDP like trash throughout that entire dumb ass stalker storyline. I can go on and on. It was all 1 big middle finger to WCW because that company almost put them out of a job.
@allencollins1617
4 жыл бұрын
Edge Is A Fake Superstar. He Is Not A Built/Muscular Heavyweight. He Weighs 241 Pounds & Is Lean & Ripped & Not Musclebound. Edge Was Never Built/Muscular. That's Why Edge Was A Lowercarder In WCW. There Were No Edgeheads In WCW, Before The Character Edge In WWE. He Wrestled Most Gimmick Matches As A Single's Wrestler In The WWE. The WWE Pushes Small Wrestlers & Small Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular/Skinny Fat Heavyweights Who Aren't That Big-Who Are Heavyweights In Cruisereweights Bodies. Those Wrestlers Careers Don't Last Ling In Major Wrestling Companies, Unless They Wrestle Most Gimmick Matches Or Kiss Vince McMahon's @$$ To Be Protected. Their Other Choice Is To Wrestle In The Indies Most Of Their Careers, Where Most Of The Wredtlers Are Smaller. I Found Out In Early 1999, That In Order To Become A WWE Superstar, You Have To Sleep With Vince McMahon & Have Sexual Relations With Him. I Was Told By My P.E. Teacher & One Of My High School Football Coaches That & He Said That The Undertaker & Shawn Michaels Slept With Vince McMahon. That's Also What Edge & Jeff Hardy-A Cruiserweight, A Skinny Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Cruisereweight Did. That's How The Undertaker Lasted 30 Years. Next Edge & Jeff Hardy Will Be Exposed, Unless They Retire/Retire For Good. Mick Foley Wrestled Most Most Gimmick Matches, He Wrestled In The Indies For 7 Out Of 16 Years. He Wrestled In WCW, ECW & The WWE For 9 Years. He Retired At 34 Years Old From Full-Time Wrestling. Kevin Owen Wrestled In The Indies Most Of His Career. Samoan Joe Is On The Verge Of Retirement, If He Isn't Already & He Will Become A Full-Time Announcer. And Bray Wyatt, After He Lost Weight, He Was Supposed To Get Built/Muscular, But He Didn't. He's Still Mostly Fat & Doesn't Look Muscular At All In His Wrestling Clothes. If Bray Wyatt Doesn't Get Muscular, The Rest Of His Career Will Be Short, Unless Braun Strowman Destroys Him At Extreme Rules & He Has To Retiire, Thinking He's Hard, When All Casuals Know He's Scared To Death Of All Of His Heavyweight Opponents. Edge Had To Retire In 2011, Because Of His Size & LackOf Muscles. He Will Have To & Retire For Good Now Or God Will Deal With Such Stupid, Suicidal, Crazy, Foolish & Idiotic Attitude. The Dame Goes For Jeff Hardy Even More. He's Injured Long-Term & Instead Of Taking His Pains Like A Man & Get Through It & Retire, He Takes Drugs & Drink, While Driving & He Chose To Suffer In Jail Instead. That's Where His Choices Are Wrong, Stupid, Dumb, Foolish & Crazy. It's Time For Him To Retire Or God Will Deal With Him Of Each Irresponsible & Reckless Action Of His. Edge & Jeff Hardy, Instead Of Becoming Built/Muscular Heavyweights, They Relied On Sleeping With Vince McMahon & WWE Ridiculous/Shamable/Foolish/Crazy/Stupid Propaganda To Get Over. Some Of The Same Goes For Matt Hardy. He's Not Built/Muscular, He's Less Than Half Muscular & Weighs 236 Pounds. He Should've Gotten Fully Built/Muscular, He Would've Been The Same Size & Built As Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels. The Only Good Thing Is That The WWE Didn't Push Matt Hardy As Much As They Pushed Edge & Jeff Hardy. Now, Matt Hardy Is In AEW & They're Making The Same Mistake. Then, AEW Has Most Cruisereweights & That Won't Hurt Matt Hardy. What Happens If Or When They Get Some More Built/Muscular Heavyweights, Then Matt Hardy Will Have To Retire. Christian Is A Built/Muscular Cruisereweight At 212 Pounds. The WWE Started Pushing Cruisereweights Less Than 15 Years Ago & They Will Get Injured Long-Term In Major Wrestling Companies. Christian Is Going To Be The First Or Was He Retired For Years & Came Back To Wrestle Randy Orton. All These Indy Vanilla Midgets I'm The Main Event Will Get Injured Long-Term. Hey, Daniel Bryan Suffered A Neck-Injury & Had To Retire. He Was Only Healed Because Most Of Tbe Wrestlers Are Small & Small Fat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Are Heavyweights In Cruisereweights' Bodies.
@williamhowe1
8 жыл бұрын
Are you ever going to do another from the vault, I miss those.
@Elispoon23
8 жыл бұрын
I think the invasion lead to why WWe is bad right now
@WeAreProWrestling
8 жыл бұрын
+malik witherspoon Once Vince bought WCW Vince stopped caring.
@Clymax01
8 жыл бұрын
Yep Due to the overcrowded locker room The WWE had to split the roster The brand extension split what ever it was called watered down the product
@hockeymind6519
7 жыл бұрын
Clymax01 it's the writers ... it's has nothing to do with wwe ... go back and watch smackdown between 2002 and 2005
@werleysworld8974
7 жыл бұрын
WWE hires the writers...so it is WWE.
@Shawn6751
6 жыл бұрын
WeAreProWrestling It was week after, he stopped caring about the fans. We stopped caring for WWE trying become a real sport under the Fox Sports brand. We are sticking to them right now for every week leading towards WWE demise.
@diesel101raw
8 жыл бұрын
Anyone who defends the DDP Stalker Gimmick and the feud with Undertaker over him feuding with The Rock is Questionable as a Person. I don't know how anyone can defend that(I seen people defend it). This really makes me question you as a person, or in other words you defend this storyline for any reason I think you're possibly a Creep in Real Life.
@WeAreProWrestling
8 жыл бұрын
+diesel101raw That whole gimmick made me mad more than anything; and I was only 10.
@diesel101raw
8 жыл бұрын
WeAreProWrestling Jericholic8704 made a vid 1 time talking about Top 5 Moments in Wrestling that made him Question his love for Wrestling, and within my 5 I put DDP's Stalker Gimmick and saying ya, it goes back that far. When I was in Grade 4 it left a bad taste in my mouth.
@sethy_nec253
7 жыл бұрын
diesel101raw *THAT WAS A HORRIBLE ANGLE....PERIOD*
@hustlernmuscular5430
7 жыл бұрын
diesel101raw. As much as I enjoyed watching undertaker and ddp go at it, making him the one stalking undertakers wife was a bit out of place for ddp and disturbing. Hey I was 17 at the time the invasion era started. I was in it for the entertainment. It got me pumped up and I would always root for the deadman to beat the shit out if ddp. I won't defend it but it had it's merits.
@dagameplayer
6 жыл бұрын
That should have been Scott Steiner being Takers wife's stalker. Not because he wanted her but because he's the genetic freak. It would have made perfect sense especially if they get Rick too then it could have been the Steiner Brothers vs the Brothers of Destruction while DDP and The Rock goes at it over who the true People's Champion of Wrestling is. It's as if Vince punished the people who actually signed with him just because a lot of the other big names refused to give up their guaranteed AOL time warner money. Honestly the whole faction vs faction idea was stupid anyway. Should have just brought the stars individually and have them feud with WWF guys because its pretty obvious that Team WWF would come out on top no matter what. It's in THEIR BUILDING FFS.
@johnchan754
6 жыл бұрын
You know I didn't know why this angle was a mess because I didint watch the wwe until 05 but I've been trying to catch up on it. By going back to 01 and I was on this point where the invasion angle happened. Now I see why this is so bad. This is such a blunder it makes me wonder did they do this on purpose to bury wcw for good. I mean this couldn't have been done on accident.
@allencollins1617
5 жыл бұрын
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@understandthat9817
7 жыл бұрын
You Know that for all the bad stuff put Austin thru they also did alot for his career! Like I dont know MORE MONEY he didnt have to eat tuna and patatoes for once. Number two They put him in with Brian Pillman and had him vs Flair and Anderson. Hell if he would have stayed they might have put him in the Horsemen instead of Football boy Mongo. They put their second biggest title on him when he became US Champion. Flair was booking and had Steves back as far as booking was concerned.
@sirtickytavi3000
3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan, Goldberg, Sting, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall should have all been in the invasion era
@jasonfowler420
3 жыл бұрын
Once they put ECW in the mix the Invasion Angle was over. ECW didnt have a fucking thing to do with the Monday Night Wars or anything else! It was supposed to be WCW vs the then WWF. This and the Starcade debacle were the biggest fucking blunders in wrestling history. It ended up being all about the McMahon's like usual and the best angle ever was thrown to the shitter! It still pisses me off how they ruined that cuz they basically gave us the fans the big Fuck You and laughed the whole time they were doing it. Thats a big reason why they are in the shape they are in these days too. They still can't get an Invasion Angle right just look at the horseshit they call Retribution.👍
@rangerwalker5369
4 жыл бұрын
The Alliance was a better faction than any bullsh*t factions they have today, yes they could’ve made the Invasion better than what it was. If Goldberg, Hollywood Hogan, Macho Man, Hall & Nash, Sting, Luger, Flair even Mr. Perfect and Ultimate Warrior was involved in the faction not only there would’ve been a toss up between Hogan or Goldberg been the leader the Invasion would have lasted after ‘01 probably the whole year of ‘02 going into ‘03, the Invasion was good but it could’ve been great.
@ericturner91
2 жыл бұрын
That would’ve been like current or even a few years ago John Cana being the alliance leader which is stupid
@dominicfuentes4070
3 жыл бұрын
If Vince McMahon buys the Turner Contracts the nWo would debut at Summerslam, Ric Flair would debut before Invasion, Goldberg would debut before Survivor Series, and Sting would debut and join Team WWF [which is why Sting can't join Team WCW because of a 2-year rivalry between the nWo and Eric's shady business]. also after it's only 3 men in the ring Sting would turn against Team WWF because makes WCW Original that makes sense for the fans and the commentators and Team WCW led the win Eric Bisoff's booking WWF and WCW Wrestlers at 3 WCW PPV's would have been a dream match between the WWF and the WCW. and the Invasion Angle end at WrestleMania X8 and this would affect the Ruthless Aggression era the Ric Flair and the nWo, would be like the heels of Raw, the Corruption, and Mafia Crime Syndicates of Monday night Raw, and the Evolution would happen after WrestleMania XIX. Sting and Goldberg would be on SmackDown! in various feuds with the SmackDown! rosters like: Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Brock Lesner, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, John Cena, & Undertaker.
@julcan1987
6 жыл бұрын
Vince and Linda vs. Shane and Stephanie would've been awesome.
@brandonevans3573
6 жыл бұрын
They had one of the big stars, DDP, then two big names Booker and Buff
@darnellholland3269
7 жыл бұрын
They took WCW as a joke killed a great company like they murder ECW
@redfire2987
Жыл бұрын
In defense of the Booker T Buff Bagwell match, what in the hell were they suppose to do in the couple minutes they were given to have a match before Austin & Angle ran in? It was sabotaged from the start.
@allencollins5666
6 ай бұрын
Everybody Wanted WCW A Plus Top Stars. WWE Fans Would've Respected Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Luger, Goldberg, Sid, Flair, Savage, Bret. DDP Was An A Player. He Got The Biggest Pop Of The Night In His Debut. NWO Got The Biggest Pop Their Debut. WCW Fans Would've Said Boring To Booker T vs Buff In The Main Event Of Nitro .Booker/Bagwell Would've Never Main Evented Thunder When It Was Purely Midcarder Show Nor In WCW Final Weeks. WCW Was Sabotaged Of Being A Separate Company With This Main Event. No Way WCW Qas Going To Be A Separate Company Without Star Power Minus Booker T & DDP.
@MrJayjay1279
8 жыл бұрын
it should've been ECW vs WWF at first leading to survivor series.... just say Taker or Austin vs RVD as the last 2 men lights go out & Sting appears helping ECW win.... setting up WCW vs WWF matches at maina
@allencollins5666
6 ай бұрын
Boring. Noone Wanted ECW OVER WCW. It's Stupud WWE Replaced WCW Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Sting, Scott Hall, Lex Luger, Kevin Nash, Goldberg, Sid Vicious, Randy Savage, Ric Flair & Roddy Piper With Mostly ECW Vanilla Midgets. Three ECW Wrestlers Had The Size To Be Main Eventers, Rhyno, Mike Awesome Who Was In WCW At The Time For Right Reasons & Rob Van Dam. Everyone Else Was A Vanilla Midget Or Little Heavyweights In A Cruiserweight's Body. This Invasion Stunk Worse Than Real DOG SHIT. It Was Cheap/Retarded And The WWE Were Afraid To Have The Same Number Of WCW Wrestlers As The WWE With Their Top Stars Because Of Their Very Superior Roster. WWE Had 9 Built Muscular Heavyweights. WCW Had Over 30 Built Heavyweights.
@shamimislam3201
11 ай бұрын
Vince just wanted to bury WCW stars rather than give them a chance and look like winners. His ego got the better of him. He could have brought out WCW stars time Warner contracts or waited a year or two until contracts ran out.
@souljahrick
8 жыл бұрын
can you do a top 15 of the revival of ECW?
@alvincampbell2482
Жыл бұрын
I agree 💯 with this video
@darrelldaniels7336
8 жыл бұрын
Triple h was going to wcw if he didn't get injury
@ajk
8 жыл бұрын
that'd have figured. You'd have had the 2 man power trip running it....making it all even worse.
@neospadesace366
8 жыл бұрын
plus i wouldnt have to live up to the torture of seeing rhyno get treated like crap, triple h shouldve been feuding with jericho instead of rhyno that time.
@johnnydelgado5788
6 жыл бұрын
Where would guerrero n rikishi b ik benoit was gonna b on the wwf side
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnydelgado5788 Jericho and Benoit were approached to join WCW but Benoit was injured and Y2J remained a WWF guy. Speaking of Rikishi, he’s also injured
@michaelbandada9887
3 жыл бұрын
HHH might be harassed by his wife to join the Alliance. I guess Triple H could join the WCW Invasion forces...if Nash and Hall are signed to join too
@BIGW20
3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Good points
@robpaul1583
3 жыл бұрын
Great list. Totally forgot about the Bagwell Booker fight, and good lord did they kill DDP with that horrific Sarah/Taker angle. It really sucks that this angle was so poorly written and officially marked the end of Pro Wrestling as a dominant cultural icon. It's 20 years later and, while CM Punk and other wrestlers have made the product good, it just never hit the highs of the 90's and 2000.
@eric44ism
5 жыл бұрын
I didn’t even know the invasion angle was considered a failure
@allencollins1617
5 жыл бұрын
It Failed. The Ratings Dropped & Half Of The Buyrates Dropped. The WWE Ratings Dropped During & Before The Invasion Angle. Their Ratings Dropped Before Vince McMahon Bought WCW. Karma! Vince McMahon Bought WCW, The Ratings Went Up To The 5's, Some Weeks For One Reason Only, Because Fans Anticipated The Top WCW Stars Showing Up & When The Rock Returned, Fans Anticipated The Rock vs DDP. Not Only WCW Fans Didn't Watch. That Failure Of The Biggest Missed Opportunity On All Level, WWE Fans Tuned Out Of The WWE. They Were Disgusted By The WWE's Mistreatment Of WCW. In 2001, The WWE Ratings Were In The 4's For 36 Weeks. The Night The Rock Returned, The Ratings Went Up Because Fans Anticipated The Rock Joining WCW. The Following Week, The Ratings Dropped & They Dropped Every Week. After The Night After Summerslam, The WWE Didn't Draw A 5.0 Rating For The Rest Of The Year. Summerslam & Survivor Series Are 2 Of The WWE Big 4 Pay Per Views & Fans Expected Them To Deliver. That's Why Those Buyrates Went Up. KOTR, Unforgiven & No Mercy Buyrates Dropped. In All Of March 2001, The WWE Ratings Dropped To The 4's-Heading Into Wrestlemania X7. That's Some Big Karma Right There. The WWE Ratings Dropped In Late 2000, After Vince Tried To Buy WCW & They Dropped Lots Of Weeks Heading Into March 26, 2001. Karma. That's A Mysterious Karma. I Knew It Was Going To Fail, When ECW Was Merged/Alligned With WCW. Vince McMahon/The WWE Replaced The Top WCW Stars With 3 ECW Wrestlers; Tommy Dreamer, Rob Van Dam & Justin Credible. That Was It. And After The Invasion Pay Per View With No Top WCW Stars Being Brought. I Knew It Was Going To Fail. There Is No Way To Do It, But The Right Way. In 2002, The Ratings Went Up To The 5's Only 2 More Times & This Was After The NWO Were In The WWE. WCW's Hogan, Hall & Nash Drew The WWE It's Last Every Ratings In The 5's. The NWO In The WWE Made Up Little/Some For The Invasion Angle, It Still Wasn't Enough. WCW Fans & Those WWE Fans Who Turned Away, Tuned Into The Raw After No Way Out 2002 To See The NWO In The WWE. The Ratings Didn't Go Up, Because Of The Way The NWO Were Treated/Booked. WCW Fans & Those WWE Fans Peeped What Was Going To Happen & They Didn't Watch Raw Nor Smackdown. The Ratings Went Up To The 5's On March 18, 2002 & March 25, 2002 For 2 Reasons. This Was After Austin Walked Out On The WWE, Because He Might've Been Leaving A Sinking Ship. Think About It, Austin Went Over Scott Hall & Then He Walks Out On The WWE. Austin Told Hall & Nash That His Walking Out Had Nothing To Do With Them. The Rock Went Back To Hollywood, Leaving A Sinking Ship. The WWE Were/Are So Crooked/Corrupted/Biased/Evil/Bad/Hypocritical That Austin & The Rock Left. The Rock Decided To Go Into Acting, Months Before Vince McMahon Bought WCW & In 2002 & Austin Walked Out On The WWE Twice & When He Returned, Almost 2 Months Later, The Same Night Eric Bischoff Firred Austin Because His Neck Was Still Broken, Austin Said In An Interview That He Was Going To Retire, Possibly Without Even Knowing That His Neck Was Damaged Too Badly. Jim Ross Was Acting Like A Bootlicker & Buttkisser. What Did The Character Of Eric Bischoff Do That Was So Wrong When He Fired Austin, Austin Got Himself Fired From WCW, Having A Bad Attitude-And WCW Fans Saw Him As Midcard Talent Best And Austin's Neck Getting Broke In The First Place, Because Of Karma Of Him Blaming Eric Bischoff & WCW For His Firing In The First Place. Maybe That Attitude Of Jim Ross Was Why He Got Fired From WCW & I Will Research Why He Got Fired From The WWE. It's A Shame He & Tony Schiavone Has To Work At AEW, Because They For The Right Reasons Can't Work At WWE Again. Now, Finally, The WWE Ratings Went Up The 2 Raws After Wrestlemania, Because WCW Fans Tuned In To See Hulk Hogan Wrestling Scott Hall & Kevin Nash-The Rock Was Hogan's Partner, Still, WCW Fans Tuned In To See Hogan vs Hall/Nash. That Happened Both Weeks. And The WWE Started The Brand Split & Those Fans Thought The WWE Would Do The Right Thing Afterall & Bring Back WCW & Run It As A Separate Company. Vince McMahon Buying WCW, Possibly Sabotaging WCW, Doing Nothing With WCW & Mistreating WCW Wrestlers/Burying Top WCW Stars Were The Beginning Of The WWE. The WWE Has Suffered For 19 Years & It's Far, Far From Over.
@neospadesace366
8 жыл бұрын
ECW didnt have big names either, no sabu, no terry funk, no sandman, no steve corino etc., hell not even balls mahoney, plus ECW's great wrestlers were treated like crap, tazz got whipped by his ECW brothers and austin's belt. Mr FTW, twice as bad as austin treated like an animal? Tch. Tommy dreamer was a jobber getting beaten by WWE's weakest acts etc. Rhyno got his ass kicked multiple times by Jericho, Raven was irrelevant, it was sad.
@zaynekills2315
7 жыл бұрын
ECW at least had RVD, Dreamer, Tazz, Raven, Mike Awesome, The Dudleyz, Justin Credible etc. Yeah it would've been better with Sabu, Sandman, Shane Douglas etc. but they did have a lot of top ECW guys. It was WCW's side who was lacking the major players
@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
6 жыл бұрын
At least Raven gave Moppy an entertaining retirement
@DLynch
6 жыл бұрын
I mean while this is all true, this eventually lead to Hogan vs The Rock....and the whole Austin/Bischoff GM angle So I'm not entirely mad at it
@nathanhuff3622
4 жыл бұрын
I agree wit all of what you said...
@Mr.Free2Play
10 ай бұрын
The Invasion angle was dumb AF. That's when I stopped watching. It showed how bad WCW wrestlers like Perry Saturn, Chris Benoit , Dean Melenko among other's were just seriously bad at promo's and actually building hype for fued's or matches. It felt like it was shoved in, because McMahon was still paying those guys because WCW wrestlers had gauranteed contracts.
@MrJayjay1279
8 жыл бұрын
when they didn't sign all the big names they should've made ppl like Eddie Big Show Jericho apart of WCW since they were only a in the company for less then 2 years and weren't consider WWF guys yet
@WeAreProWrestling
8 жыл бұрын
+J-Ro 1279 Eddie was sent to rehab in May & was eventually let go. As far as Show & Jericho go; from a kayfabe(and real life) standpoint, they were fucked over by WCW. Why would they be apart of the WCW group then? Same reason Austin being the leader made no sense at all.
@cbabs9135
4 жыл бұрын
Only need 1 reason they had no real players Hogan Nash hall sting Goldberg Luger Without them you have nothing Vince always messes it up only reason he still has a company is rock and austin
@johnchan754
6 жыл бұрын
You know I didn't know why this angle was a mess because I didint watch the wwe until 05 but I've been trying to catch up on it. By going back to 01 and I was on this point where the invasion angle happened. Now I see why this is so bad. This such a blunder it makes me wonder did they do this on purpose to bury wcw for good. I mean this couldn't have been done on accident.
@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
6 жыл бұрын
Well, the original idea was to do a Brand Split between WWF and WCW, but no network wanted to be associated with WCW as it was seen as a dead brand. In short, it wasn't even the original plan.
@voltagethename9959
4 жыл бұрын
So who else was like Chris jericho was in wcw on 12:38
@isaiahwinbrone
4 жыл бұрын
He's currently working for all elite wrestling
@voltagethename9959
4 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahwinbrone Well not to be mean but no shit sir
@rowds
Жыл бұрын
@@isaiahwinbrone Jericho went from WCW to WWF in 1999. His best work was in WCW imo.
@legendarysupersaiyan3811
7 жыл бұрын
I argue with 14 they got pretty good people Booker t was upcoming at the time, ddp was a mold in wcw I can keep going on, now I can say they didn't use them right
@stevenreadicker2777
6 жыл бұрын
Mark Longwell Billy Kidman wasn't half bad either
@ajk
8 жыл бұрын
I'm curious....it's long been said that the original plan for Manias 17, was to have all those WCW guys that were shown to be attendance at the show get involved in the Vince and Shane match I believe it was and basically "invade" Mania. But then it got scrapped because the day before, Sean Stasiak ran his mouth about the whole thing on local radio. Do you think if that doesn't happen, the angle changes a great deal? I could see it possibly but even then still no top stars.....so hard to say.
@understandthat9817
7 жыл бұрын
Bishoff never liked Austins Attitude so he let him go. Heyman grabbed Austin and only wanted him to do a couple promos but then Austin got over with the fans so much that Paul wanted Austin to go over Mikey Whipwreck at November 2 Remember and win the ECW Championship but Steve said NO! Then Vince gets Austin ruins him by calling him The RingMaster then has him go back to his ECW Character but instead of Stunning its Stone Cold. So exactly what did the WWE do for Steve that WCW and ECW did not?
@allencollins1617
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah., Tell The Truth; And WCW Fired/Let Go Mick Foley, Triple H, The Undertaker, Brian Pillman & The Vanilla Midgets-Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddy Guerrero, Dean Malenko & Perry Saturn, In 1999 & 2000, Because Of Their Sizes. As For Mick Foley & Tbe Undertaker, WCW Thought They Weren't Big Enough For Fat/Nonbuilt Guys To Be Main Eventers & World Champion(While Competing With All Those Built Wrestlers). That's Why They Had Big Van Vader(400/450 Pounds) & The Giant/Big Show As Main Eventers & World Champions. Also Triple H Wasn't That Built. Brian Pillman Didn't Look That Big Either. And You Know About The Vanilla Midgets, Well They Were Too Small.
@allencollins1617
4 жыл бұрын
I Have Some More Most Important Comments Under Iceman, They Are The Truth, All Truth.
@skipace86b25
6 жыл бұрын
Forgot ECW
@ewartsimpson124
7 жыл бұрын
facts I believe to this day if the wwe used some of the wcw & ecw wrestlers better we could of been apart of something beautiful...but we will never see that! I can't even watch wrestling anymore cuz they don't know wtf they doing !
@stevenreadicker2777
6 жыл бұрын
They should have at least turned the ex-WCW stars turn traitor
@gucciguwop1183
7 жыл бұрын
i have a problem with people blaiming vince for those top guys not coming if we blame him then hogan and those other guys should be blamed as well ......
@gucciguwop1183
7 жыл бұрын
and also you and evevryone else said booker t was the butt of rocks jokes......who hasnt been
@trinahoover5223
6 жыл бұрын
gucciguwop dude he literally could have bought out the big stars contracts instead of ailing with the xfl. That would have made that angle 100x better
@k1productions87
8 жыл бұрын
well, since I try to find the good in everything, I will say Summerslam was a good show, and Survivor Series at least FELT important, and had not only some good matches, but some damned entertaining commentary throughout. But beyond that,... yeah.
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