the reason for 16 round boxes was that was the load for 2 luger magazines
@FunWithDHG
16 күн бұрын
Or 2 for one MP40 mag
@sbreheny
16 күн бұрын
or 2 P38 mags
@KeterMalkuth
14 күн бұрын
@@FunWithDHG You know, it's obvious in hindsight, but I can't believe I never put 2 and 2 together and realized the 32 rd magazines for the german submachineguns was for the sake of easy integration with existing supply chains for 8 round capacity pistols.
@danielcurtis1434
14 күн бұрын
Or Walther later I’m the war. I just like imagining if Germany had embraced the double stack??? The Browning high power was definitely ahead of it’s time. However having a double action seems more modern.
@Dominic1962
14 күн бұрын
@@danielcurtis1434They used the HiPower in some applications as they captured the FN plant. But the German/European doctrine on pistols back then was massively different than today. They understood how a pistol could make for a combat weapon in its own right but for the most part considered the P38 massively more than adequate for general issue and even considered .32’s as proper military pistols.
@gregsochor
13 күн бұрын
As a historian, who spent a lot of time in seminars on WW2 from an Austrian/German perspective: Please do not underestimate the amount of sabotage at this stage of the war. Most ammunition at this point was manufactured by forced labor and as such they would most likely have undertaken whatever was possible for them to make sure the ammo wouldn't or at the very least work as badly as possible. (Referring to the primer and powder especially as you couldn't test those without using up valuable ammunition. I'd go even further and say that the working cartridges were placed at the very ends of the box where they were most likely to be picked by QA. (As they had to fill out forms and most likely using position 1/16 is the easiest one to remember...)
@DarthJermz
13 күн бұрын
A lost piece of history, thank you for pointing this bit of info out.
@Malibus_Most_Wanted
12 күн бұрын
That’s definitely good point to why most those rounds wouldn’t fire
@MetalheadMitch762
11 күн бұрын
I don't think it's sabotage, most WW2 German ammo works very well when stored properly, even the late war stuff. This ammo probably wasn't stored properly because other nation's surplus can have the same issues.
@janialander414
10 күн бұрын
Well 1944 is long time ago. I shot some years ago 1944 stamped Finnish rifle ammunition. No forced labour here. Still some hangfires, one misfire, and most of cartridges worked "normally".
@MonkeyDespot
15 күн бұрын
The m.E. stands for “mit Eisenkern” or 'with iron core'. These rounds have a large mild steel core which is why they weigh in so much lighter than lead core projectiles with the same length and ogive. This was done as a way to save on lead consumption and was done with rifle bullets as well. These rounds were specifically included in the 'Armor Piercing Ammunition Ban' that was part of the LEOPA passed in 1986. This was, of course, due to the core construction. Imports were cut off at that point along with Czech 9x19mm ball ammunition with bullets of the same (m.E.) type. This makes them scarcer and more valued here than they realistically should be. Even still, they are not terribly rare, so I wouldn't feel at all bad about shooting them.
@jongrossardt7542
18 күн бұрын
The black colored projectiles may well have been scintered iron core as opposed to lead. Late in WWII Germany was making lots of material saving changes and scintered iron was used for bullet cores.
@jic1
15 күн бұрын
I was wondering if that might be the case myself, although it could just be unusually dark oxidation of the jacket. I don't know why nobody is making iron bullets these days: non-toxic, but a lot cheaper than most lead-free options. Maybe not the best option for big game or self-defense, but probably great for varmints and as practice ammo.
@jongrossardt7542
15 күн бұрын
@@jic1 could be considered as armor piercing ammo, hence illegal for pistol ammo.
@jic1
15 күн бұрын
@@jongrossardt7542 Iron is pretty soft, doubt it's going to pierce much that solid bronze couldn't. Anyway, why not iron rifle ammo?
@jongrossardt7542
15 күн бұрын
@@jic1 Here's the regulation excerpt: Specifically, the definition of “armor piercing ammunition” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) provides: (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means- (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile
@jic1
15 күн бұрын
@@jongrossardt7542 OK, but still doesn't answer why there are no iron rifle bullets.
@nhwnhw02
17 күн бұрын
Back in the 1970s there was still surplus foreign WW2 ammunition floating around. I recall seeing it for sale in "Shotgun News". There were 2 kinds or more of surplus 9mm ammunition floating around. One was reputed to be made for machine pistols. It had very hard primers on purpose. It was reputed to be loaded very hot with primers that most pistols wouldn't fire. You always wanted to avoid buying that. Kinda takes you back to remember all the wild stuff that was sold in Shotgun News on a weekly basis.
@shadowwolf9503
17 күн бұрын
I was still buying WW2 military surplus ammo back in the middle 90's. And I still have some of those really old Shotgun News. My history teacher was a gun guy. He would read his Shotgun News in class when we took test. After class, I would talk with him about history and guns (this was 1977-78). He would give me his older issues. You had to be an FFL back then to get them, so I really looked forward to getting them from him.
@nhwnhw02
16 күн бұрын
@@shadowwolf9503 That is odd I used to buy them at bookstore and frequently at the grocery store. Had a subscription one year and never had a FFL. Used to read it for information and entertainment. Remember the old Herter's catalogs? Always wanted one of those Sakos they had for sale. You could still buy firearms through the mail up until 1968 or so. There was a period where I couldn't buy 22lr ammunition until I turned 18. Stores would write down your name in a spiral bound notebook. You didn't show ID or include your address. Looking back, I wonder why back then I never bought more than one box of 22lr at a time. Loved those Yellow boxes Winchester Super X. Always thought they were the best.
@sbreheny
16 күн бұрын
@@shadowwolf9503 you can still get WW2 surplus ammo now, although it is no longer cheaper than new ammo. 8mm Mauser ammo is still common enough that it costs about the same per round as new .308 rounds.
@shadowwolf9503
16 күн бұрын
@@sbreheny Roger that.
@shadowwolf9503
15 күн бұрын
@@nhwnhw02 I could be wrong on thinking only FFL's could get Shotgun News back in the day. They didn't sell them at any of the magazine racks I bought my gun magazines at. And a local FFL I visited on a regular basis told me only they could get them. He treated his Shotgun News like they were classified and threw a fit once when I picked one up at his shop. But he was an ass anyway lol ! Remington Thunderbolts were my favorite 22's growing up. Our local hardware store sold them for .79 cents for a box of 50. We lived about 3 miles north of town, on a small farm. I'd go with mom every Friday evening or Saturday morning when she went shopping. I'd talk her or Dad out of $10. I promptly spent $7.90+ tax on a 500 round brick almost every weekend. By Sunday evening, I was lucky to have a box left. I shot a lot every weekend. And yeah, I remember the book that Mom had to sign at the hardware store. Dad always kept a few boxes of Winchester hollow points put up to feed his 22 rifles. He'd sure throw a fit when I got into those just to shoot cans and such.
@ram218313
21 күн бұрын
the suspense each time you pull trigger had me on the edge. i was hoping for no squibs. thanks for video very interesting.
@Almost_Made_It
21 күн бұрын
Very interesting stuff. 100gr. Wouldn’t have guessed that
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
Yeah, i thought it would do better. It looked nice👊👍🦃
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
And right 100 gr is odd but maybe they lacked material? Stealing out a pinch from every round to make more?👊👍🦃
@donwyoming1936
21 күн бұрын
I would suspect that's true. Get 7 projectiles for the price of 6, without losing any performance.
@Mbartel500
21 күн бұрын
Yeah, those primers are probably using mercury fulminate, which leaves a salt compound residue after ignition. The powder is not corrosive before or after burning, just the primer residue will cause corrosion. So cleaning very soon after shooting is a must.
@BaikalTii
17 күн бұрын
probably not. Sinoxid priming compound was invented in 1928; by 1939 German pistol ammunition was using it extensively.
@Mbartel500
17 күн бұрын
@@BaikalTii not exactly. MF primers were still in common use up through WW2. They were cheap, readily available, and still in the supply chain. Primers were used by the tens of billions during wartime, so a complete changeover to the modern Sinoxid compound would take several years. And remember there was still a lot of surplus ammo left over from WW1 and after, that was used in WW2 and later. So bottom line….it could have been either, but I wouldn't put off cleaning my firearm, just in case.
@BaikalTii
17 күн бұрын
@@Mbartel500 if they were corrosive there wouldn't have been so many hang/misfires.
@shadowwolf9503
17 күн бұрын
@@BaikalTii I had some 1941-42 British 303 military ammo several years back. I had a lot of misfires and hangfires with it in my Enfield. I'm sure it was corrosive ammo.
@BaikalTii
16 күн бұрын
@@shadowwolf9503 it was also charged with Cordite. which is notoriously unstable.
@donwyoming1936
21 күн бұрын
I shot about 500 rounds of German WWI & WWII 9mm in the mid 90s. It all went bang. And I remember it was a bit spicy in my Hi-Power. Very dirty burning powder.
@brittakriep2938
15 күн бұрын
As longer as the world wars lasted, quality of german gunpowder and explosives declined. At very end of ww ll some german bombs/ grenades had been filled with ,Wettersprengstoff' , a cheap civilian explosive for mining use.
@MrIdasam
15 күн бұрын
I once fired a couple boxes of .45 ACP manufactured in 1942 through my Glock 21. It ran fine. My gun was pretty filthy afterward.
@michaelmcmillan2776
21 күн бұрын
I've seen it for sale on sites but I don't know anybody who's ever purchased some thank you for sharing that was pretty cool. Was very surprised about the grain weight
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching it! It was a fun test👊👍🦃
@Sirgromulus
21 күн бұрын
What a unique, fascinating, and entertaining video! Thanks Tom!
@johnfisher9238
21 күн бұрын
Shot a ton of this back in the 80s. You could get British 9mm and the worst of all the Egyptian 9mm in the paper boxes. That Egyptian was pure acid in your barrel.
@tominva4121
21 күн бұрын
During the 1980s, I had a friend that was the grandson of a V.M.I graduate and artillery officer from WWII. As an officer he was able to bring back footlockers full of captured weapons and ammo. There were crates of German 9mm and plenty of P38s, Hi-Powers, and Radoms. We shot lots of it! Don't remember any problems with it. In fact the P38s and Hi-Powers out shot the U.S.G.I. 1911s and .45 ammo that he had by quite a bit. I still have some of that ammo he gave me, and it looks exactly like yours.
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
Nice. That is very cool😎👍👊🦃
@MrBusch90
13 күн бұрын
Question: If you don't mind out of all the P38s, was there a P38k?
@tominva4121
13 күн бұрын
@@MrBusch90 - So long ago. All I remember were standard P38s. No idea as to even the manufacturers now. There were a number of French handguns, but no ammo for them. Personally, I doubt I saw all of it, or even a majority. For instance I never was shown a rifle.
@MrBusch90
13 күн бұрын
@@tominva4121 was "Ruby" (french wannabe 1911) apart of those French guns? If I may ask?
@tominva4121
13 күн бұрын
@@MrBusch90 - I just remember seeing the French Model 1935 pistols. I think we would have bought .32 ACP if there had been Rubys.
@Asatru793
21 күн бұрын
This is really the best gun channel. He isn’t a sellout. Everything is true and not doctored up.
@wadereynoldsgm
21 күн бұрын
Agreed. Also Tools & Targets channel is honest testing too. Two of the best channels for unfiltered ammo testing from regular guys not trying to sell you anything.
@prinzeugenvansovoyen732
10 күн бұрын
5:14 ww2 german 9mm has harder primers for safe function with open bolt smg`s get a stronger striker spring
@Disastrous.Affect
21 күн бұрын
That was cool,😎 note to self, don't store ammo for 80 years.👍
@brianjones1151
21 күн бұрын
Would be fine if stored correctly. I've shot a fair amount of vintage ammo (including WWII) over the years and most of it has been fine. I've noticed that vintage steel cased ammo is often troublesome though.
@Disastrous.Affect
21 күн бұрын
@@brianjones1151 The storage conditions have always been a problem.👍 It would not surprise me, if the armed forces around the world have spent more money on ammo storage than buying the ammo.🤷♂
@paulwetzel9049
21 күн бұрын
I fired several bandoliers of 1918 marked Turkish 8mm Mauser in the early 2000s that fired well overall. Had a couple hangfires and a few failures to fire. It was loaded hot! It would drill holes through telephone poles and 1/4 steel like butter.
@Disastrous.Affect
21 күн бұрын
@@paulwetzel9049 😎
@swojal1493
14 күн бұрын
You can store ammo indefinitely. It just has to be done correctly
@daleswalley7226
21 күн бұрын
If memory serves, the Germans had three different loading for the 9mm. First was the original 124gr. flat point, second was a 95gr. “Tropical load” used in Africa. And third was a 115gr. Round nose FMJ made later in the war, it was cheaper and easier to produce. Velocities 124@1250 95@1400 115@1150.
@jacksonthompson7099
13 күн бұрын
Typically for the Germans with tropical ammo, it was a different seal or double sealed, if it had increased velocity they would put a "v" on the box somewhere. I've got a couple boxes of German high velocity 8mm steel core tracer. C&Rrsenal here on KZitem mentioned the 9mm para bellum used a 124 grain truncated bullet at 1,080 FPS but due to the Hague they Germans were afraid of being accused of using dum dum rounds so they switched to 124 grain round nose. The German 9mm history is a bit foreign to me but I've heard they went from 124 grain too 115 grain then 95 or 100 grain bullets with the iron cored bullets they started using instead of lead core for there ball ammo.
@jmichaelcarbonniere9549
21 күн бұрын
Good test, Mr. T! The black bullet could be a machine gun round, although it could be that it was black tipped instead, I can't really remember. If the velocities are close it must have been the black tipped. The reason I know any of this is that my step dad traded a couple of cartons of cigarettes for a Walther 9mm in Europe after WW2 ended. He then traded the Walther for a nice little Colt 32-20. The guy he traded with found some German 9mm ammo that was either black or black tipped, which it turned out was specifically for the MP40's. When the guy shot it in the Walther, it destroyed the pistol! As an aside, an older gentleman that lived up the street from me in Los Angeles gave me a cardboard box of "stuff' that he had stored in his garage since he returned from the Great War (that's WW1 for you non history buffs) in 1919. In the bottom of the box were 2, fully loaded, 1911 magazines. The bottom one had a bit of rust so it didn't go in my gun until I cleaned it and the ammo up but the top mag was perfect so I took it out to the desert and put it in my 1911 and all 7 rounds fired perfectly, no hang fires, no misfires! I still have 4 or 5 of the rounds left and one of these days I'll take them out and chrono them! The cases are all sealed at the primer and bullet and the headstamp is 1918. If you keep your ammo in decent conditions (mainly dry) it should pretty much last forever! More than likely the ammo that misfired for you was simply bad primers. But if you haven't fired any of the black bullets as yet, do be careful when you do. Better yet, pull one apart and weigh the charge. Just to be safe. Cheers, jc
@pablofortain4945
21 күн бұрын
Always chasing th original 9 mm Luger velocities. Hot ammo, like a +p+ nowdays. Love your videos. Saludos from Argentina
@AtomicStateDelivery
21 күн бұрын
The US army's new M1152 loading from Winchester is pretty spicy being a 115gr bullet moving at 1350fps.
@pablofortain4945
21 күн бұрын
@@AtomicStateDelivery yes nice ammo too. A true "NATO" spec. Waiting for some 115 fmj to reload something like that
@CallOfCutie69
15 күн бұрын
>always chasing Luger ammo >Greetings from Argentina Oh hello there Adolf junior
@pablofortain4945
15 күн бұрын
@@CallOfCutie69 lol
@TafferBoyElvis
21 күн бұрын
I had a bunch of Swiss 7.5X53.5 GP90 ammo made in 1923-1924 with similar results to your shots. Maybe only 1 out of 5 would fire. Had to make my own ammo after that, since they don't make it commercially any more.
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
Yeah, who knows whats going on with those powders an primers after 100 years, wow. But cool you can remake it!👍👊🦃
@Cesar-ro9vd
14 күн бұрын
Here in Switzerland, I know one Shop who sell 7.5x53 but they are Professional reloaded not fabric,If you have interest in old Swiss weapons I would recommend the k31 in 7.5x55 because this calibre is still on Production.
@TafferBoyElvis
14 күн бұрын
@@Cesar-ro9vd Yeah, I've got 7.5X55 Prvi Partizan brass I trimmed down a little bit and loaded 180 grain .308 bullets into. I've got the recipe down for powder, OAL, Etc. It's pretty much a match grade ammo I've made. I made some with 210 grain round nosed bullets and they looked identical to the original GP90 Ammo I have for reference.
@tracypeterson5925
21 күн бұрын
I would be concerned with it having corrosive primers. Clean your gun very good afterwards
@Steamrunner
21 күн бұрын
Or was tampered with by slave labor doing a bit of sabotage to fight back.
@stefthorman8548
11 күн бұрын
@@SteamrunnerI'm pretty sure this wasn't made by the Soviets 😂
@Sam_the_Sham_and_the_Pharoahs
13 күн бұрын
I have about 300rds of German AP 8x57mm left, fired 200. It's 1942 and 1943 era. Still pierces a steel plate like butter. No duds surprisingly.
@Nobluffbuff
21 күн бұрын
That was pretty wild. I wasn't expecting them to fire at all.
@azazelakira12
21 күн бұрын
That was fun, now I want German memorabilia....
@SavageGerbil
8 күн бұрын
So you're not testing defensive ammunition, you're testing offensive ammunition. I dig it
@Hammerback0
21 күн бұрын
TTO, you know Im ride or die when I set through a 9mm video😂😂
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
Lol. Thanks Brother!👍👊🦃
@Yrocyar215
18 күн бұрын
Excellent video!!! I have been searching for this information for a long time and you published it here. Thank you!
@spektr540hemi
21 күн бұрын
Back in the 80's my budies and I used to shoot WW1/WW2 ammoe all the time... A few different folks at local flee markets used to sell it, and guns for dirt cheap... Those were the days. Still have many of the guns, but alas, very few round/boxes of the ammoe.
@Johnny-jr2lq
12 күн бұрын
Interesting I was just looking up information about early 9mm ammo from the very beginning of its development and use. Not much was available till your video cool!!!!!
@danielcurtis1434
14 күн бұрын
Ballistol is good for corrosive stuff like black powder abd corrosive primers. If you don’t have time to clean a black powder gun just hose if down with ballistol and it will save your gun. I’ve heard it works with corrosive primers.
@cmaugle
21 күн бұрын
It would be interesting to load those pulled bullets with modern powder and see how they do velocity/accuracy wise.
@dougb8469
14 күн бұрын
Looks like you got some of Schindler's factory ammo
@gavindonnelly4767
21 күн бұрын
I was told by a friend who owned a luger that the WWII ammunition was loaded to a higher pressure than modern ammunition and he had to load hotter rounds to get then to function in his Luger. He said they down loaded the ammunition after the war because of all of the other 9mm pistols of questionable quality being brought back into the US from the war. Your results seem to match that claim. I would suspect you might have gotten slightly higher velocities if the ammunition had not degraded over time. The hang-fires would seem to indicate primers that are not firing hot enough to get the best performance out of the powder in the cartridge. Thanks for the video.
@fernie-spec5134
21 күн бұрын
Great job with informational with WW2 bullets
@johnbrubaker2033
13 күн бұрын
80 year old ammo….”hmm…why didn’t it go off?”
@johnw4999
21 күн бұрын
Another awesome and informative video. Thank you so much.
@jamestboehm6450
21 күн бұрын
Watch for corrosive primers. That era ammo is hell on firearms.
@charliefrost-bo2kw
16 күн бұрын
Mate, realy good fundamentals! no flinch at all especially with unknown ammo.
@zebracherub
13 күн бұрын
Very cool stuff. As a very amateur historian collector (lol) I’m stoked to see this because we get nice data about it (the bullet weight wtf!), and I find it hilarious to use it in some very modern pistol like the Gen 5. That ammo was made to be fired dammit, they finally met their end! Also thanks for us metric folks lol
@jasonb7878
21 күн бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
@newdefsys
13 күн бұрын
IRRC, the 'Wa' mark stands for the 'Waffenamt', which was _kind-of-like_ the ordnance department for the German military. Their head stamp on ammunition roughly served the same purpose as the NATO cross head stamp on modern ammo. It showed that the ammunition was in compliance to the standards of the day. Although, by 1944 those standards were starting to get pretty lose.
@GalloPazzesco
21 күн бұрын
I'm really liking your channel friend. It's a true shooter's channel. Subscribed, bell rung, commented, upvoted, liked, shared ... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel.
@tedcollins4684
21 күн бұрын
Cool. Looked like it burned slow, bet it was a lot spicier 80 years ago.
@jasonashley4579
13 күн бұрын
I've got some German produced 8mm mauser made in 1938, shoots flawlessly outta my all matching Kar98k.
@itsjustjoe3790
15 күн бұрын
How have I never heard of your channel? ! Cool video, new subscriber here!
@moshedayan9049
21 күн бұрын
Sweet baby Moses Great stuff I bought some WW2 45acp ammo in 1986 from a little shop. I had it squirreled away until I shot it in 2000ish, it all went bang but was super smelly and smoky. TY
@brianwatkins2974
9 күн бұрын
H. P. White Labs did some testing of various 9mm Parabellum rounds through a Walther P-38, shortly after WW2 (year grains/fps). German Govt. 1918 123/1207. 1941 124/1242. There were also three submachine gun loads tested - 1941 99/1391. 1943 98/1385. 1944 Tropical 91/1487. The 1941 Govt. 124 gr. load had the highest penetration in pine boards at 6 3/4". All info from W. H. B. Smith's "The Book of Pistols and Revolvers" 1946, revised 1951. Hope this helps!
@LastManStanding.45
21 күн бұрын
As Arte Johnson used to say….Very interesting
@jb6027
13 күн бұрын
Most interesting!
@eelsing1
7 күн бұрын
I ran a box or two of those through an Inglis mfg. Browning P35 back in the 1980s. Some of the cases (which had been lacquered) split or even fragmented as they were ejected, posing a risk to those standing next to me at adjacent shooting stations. Something to keep in mind.
@notyou6950
15 күн бұрын
Best use for the old stuff is as display in historical setting. The other way is stripping out components and loading them up with modern primers and fresh powder. If you got the time and you are not too busy.
@gph2193
13 күн бұрын
Impressive loads. Have handloaded very nice 9mm rounds, these were loaded hot. Chunky old powder.
@opencarry3860
13 күн бұрын
80 year old ammo will fire reliably if it is stored properly.
@notsosilentmajority1
21 күн бұрын
We see the ammo degrading anyway, and you have a few more boxes. If anyone is upset by it, let them buy their own WWll era German ammo. Great job on the video, it was extremely interesting.
@eddiespaghetti54321
18 күн бұрын
I was pleasantly surprised when that first shot was only a hang fire and not a dud. I was expecting it not to fire at all.
@tomb6269
21 күн бұрын
Very interesting video, thank you for sharing!!
@SCH292
21 күн бұрын
331 meters per second. Yeah sorry. I don't speak English. I speak American. 😂
@ruststar
21 күн бұрын
Typical American ignorance that can’t even use google to translate so I did for you, 1086fps
@MrFreefonix420
21 күн бұрын
Royal with cheese.
@CinimodNorton
21 күн бұрын
Easy look up 1085 fps
@brittakriep2938
15 күн бұрын
Ignorant nationalist US idiot.
@brittakriep2938
15 күн бұрын
Wrong Button! Every halfway educated Person knows, that an Inch ( english Zoll) is 25,4 mm, a foot is 30,5 cm , and a Yard is 91,5 cm. So a Meter ( 100 cm) is a little bit lesser than 40 Inch, or 40 Inch are 101, 6 cm. Former Preußisches Zoll had 26,2 mm. Not the metric system users are idiots, the american Herrenmenschen ( Gods own country) are the idiots.
@rogiervis2306
15 күн бұрын
Here in the Netherlands, we had surplus WW2 British and German ammo enough in the 2000's. Especially German Mauser and British. 303 was widely available
@vukkingdingbat5184
15 күн бұрын
Hes van Zweeden Gun Store, buy one Enfield rifle for 700 Guilders and get a box of 1400 rounds 303 for free.😂
@franciscallahan2529
10 күн бұрын
the ammo of heroes
@irafowlerjr.7492
19 күн бұрын
Interesting, really enjoyed, thanks
@JohnLee-gp7bd
11 күн бұрын
Schindlers factory, bless his heart
@davidellsworth2178
21 күн бұрын
The St+ part of the head stamp indicates an improved lacquered steel case. As far as the bullet weight normal German ammo was 124 grain so not sure why the lighter projectiles. As far as powder the Germans used a fair bit of Cordite or modified cordite which can be blonde in color but they also used triple based powders. Also the velocity is low for a normal German loading which was typically 124 grain at close to 1300 fps…hot.
@Tstevelove
21 күн бұрын
Great show!
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching it!👊👍🦃
@Tstevelove
21 күн бұрын
@@theturkeysopinion thank you sir! From Chicago
@APS_Inc
10 күн бұрын
I have some old 303 ammo from a Greek factory (c.1973) that's also corrosive (or at least suspected to be) and the click-bangs, hang-fires, and dead ammo are always mildly exciting in the worst possible way.
@triggerbarPhD
21 күн бұрын
Very interesting ammo. That's awesome!
@gear47-mh3cd
Күн бұрын
Did a quick look through the comments and didn’t see a break down of the casing markings so I’d figure I’d add my two cents. 44: year of manufacture i.e. 1944 Ar: manufacturer code St+ improved steel case 7: usually the lot number/ batch number
@yomomma107
21 күн бұрын
That was one of the best videos I've seen in a long time thank you sir.... And I'm guessing the lighter Grain weight was to get more velocity out of their submachine guns and lugers. Very interesting piece of History.
@SVENKARSTEN-z2r
13 күн бұрын
Auf die Nicht Gezündeten Patronen Hülsen Zündhütchen nochmal mit einem Nagel draufhauen. Aber vorher das Pulver und den Geschosskopf Entfernen.
@TheHippieGunner
7 күн бұрын
Good stuff. Subbed.
@billj5645
21 күн бұрын
I won't say that what I've heard or read is perfectly accurate but I seem to remember that the Luger required stout ammunition to function, and I seem to remember that some ammo marked in black was hot ammo for submachine gun use.
@454FatJack
13 күн бұрын
Orig pistol Luger 320-330 meter’s/second. Modern ammo 350-360, and smg hot 400-430 m/sec +p+
@kenibnanak5554
14 күн бұрын
A lot of my British Mk2z 9mm ammo also produces hang fires and many dud primers. For what it is worth I usually cycle the rounds that don't go off at the first strike through a gun again and usually about a third of them will go off with a second primer hit. To save labor I usually shoot that stuff in a pistol with a hammer such as a P-38 or a CZ-75. That allows simply pulling the trigger again when I hear a click instead of a bang. Experience has shown if it doesn't go off at the 2nd hit of a firing pin, it won't go off at the 3rd or 4th either. Such rounds can be disassembled with some components still usable in other brass with newer primers.
@prinzeugenvansovoyen732
10 күн бұрын
331 meters per second means its pretty close to the sound barrier -340m/s and abaut where standart 22lr is speed whise - transsonic speeds
@tborr50cal83
9 күн бұрын
great video!
@Aarons-Animals
21 күн бұрын
I haven't seen so many failures to discharge since watching Oldje vids
@ruststar
21 күн бұрын
Those are really hard primers, Glock do not have much force behind the striker so it would explain the. Misfires, the squibs is another story
@robertlose5686
13 күн бұрын
A couple of observations, older European military ammo often has hard primers that will not be reliably fired by striker fired guns. A better test would be to use a hammer fired pistol like a Beretta 92 or a Sig 226. Also, the color of the powder doesn't necessarily mean that it has degraded. Not all powder starts out black or gray. A owder similar to cordite will be yellow to brownish.
@marinioaweischo6614
13 күн бұрын
Perhaps on some Striker fired pistols, the P08 is striker fired too.
@LowIQinHQ
8 күн бұрын
0:16 If you already know what is going to happen then like the comment. They didn’t make guns out of plastic till like the 70/80s. They were still hand fitting parts back then. We now have plastic guns, and revolvers that couldn’t handle 357 magnums made out of aluminum now. I’m like 100% sure the bass then couldn’t handle the pressures today. I bet it will be around 800-1000 fps.
@roostershooter76
21 күн бұрын
I have some old WW2 / German produced 8mm Mauser ammo that has Cordite as a propellant. At any rate it IS a corrosive primer, so be sure to clean your pistol really well. It will rust everything from your springs to trigger bar and barrel if you don't get all of that primer salt out of there.
@talgattursynbekov9677
14 күн бұрын
Thans for meter measurment that was very warm recieved from other side of the world, Hi from Germany Munich
@theturkeysopinion
13 күн бұрын
👍👍👍👍😎😁👊🦃
@pjkentucky
14 күн бұрын
Shot some wwI era 30 06 1918 production in the late 1970s and most fired. Also had 8mm wwII german production. Most fired.
@schinderiapraemeturus6239
14 күн бұрын
People keep saying here these rounds used fulminate or corrosive primers, very likely it was SINOXID, which is my favorite. Currently using it for my reloads, comes out around $4.50 per K for SP. FA-70 was the standard primer composition for US 30 cal and 45 ACP, also a great recipe but it uses lead thiocyanate as fuel
@joelclark2130
20 күн бұрын
Cool 😎 thanks, history is only great if you can learn from it.
@psp1921tsmg
13 күн бұрын
Use a hammer fired weapon. Those rounds were made to also function in open bolt smgs
@johnw4999
21 күн бұрын
If the .45 ACP is referred to as .45 AARP, what should the older 9mm be referred as? lol
@phattmatt1000
21 күн бұрын
9mm Mature
@rifleshooterchannel208
18 күн бұрын
Nein Millimeter
@chrischiampo7647
21 күн бұрын
Cool Test Thanks 😀😊😀👍🏼
@bigracer3867
21 күн бұрын
Super cool.
@theturkeysopinion
21 күн бұрын
It was interesting👊👍🦃
@richki.24
21 күн бұрын
very cool test, thanks
@alexs5472
12 күн бұрын
What colour is your Glock slide cerakoted? Is the frame also cerakoted? Looks great!
@thefrench8847
12 күн бұрын
6:29 482,6 Newton Meter 8:11 51 cm 9:33 382 mg 9:44 6,4 g 10:09 9 mm
@cliffcollins2497
21 күн бұрын
Most interesting! Take care!
@mfaracing
16 күн бұрын
Very good video!
@jmuraidajr
14 күн бұрын
You should load the case of the one you took apart with an intact primer! Load with good powder to see if it was the primers that was the problem!
@Dominic1962
14 күн бұрын
I bought a few boxes of the 7,92 that came in fairly recently. I shot one box worth and they all went bang and were accurate. Interesting mix of brass washed steel cases, green enameled steel case, on clips, etc.
@SPG063
5 күн бұрын
what gun do you have ? a STG44? and an original or a modern copy
@Dominic1962
5 күн бұрын
@@SPG063 Oops, I meant 7,92x57. I figured that was obvious but totally forgot about 7,92x33.
@joshuabriggs7114
21 күн бұрын
Very cool! Thanks!
@Gieszkanne
15 күн бұрын
From the german wiki article you got a later WW2 ammo. As a economy measure they reduced lead in the bullet and gave it an iron core. Thats why the bullet weight is reduced. The normal bullet weight was 124gr. Also the steel cased ammo was for the MP40. So these may have harder primers than normal. Maybe you should try the ammo with a stronger hammer fired gun like a Browning Hi-Power oder Beretta 92. Would be also interesting if these iron core bullet would go through body armor.
@americanmilitiaman88
13 күн бұрын
Interesting 16 round boxes. 2 boxes to fully load a MP 40 mag. And 1 box to fill 2 P08 or P38 mags
@wittsullivan8130
13 күн бұрын
I got a couple of boxes of US surplus 1943 dated steel cased, corrosive primed .45 ACP. The guy I bought it from kept three boxes and the ammo box it came in. Someone had it in their garage or attic and sold it after their husband died. I shot a few rounds of it out of my Ruger Blackhawk. It was Boxer primed and reloadable, but steel develops a "work hardening" and cracks after a couple of reloads versus near infinite with brass .45 unless you're loading them very hot. We all know that a German 9mm round will go through at least three Nazis, like in Indiana Jones, but those were pre-war. It would probably go through 4 or more late war Nazis. :)
@robijuhasz4933
11 күн бұрын
You dont need a revolver to play russian roulette with these ammos:)
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