Finally a downhill-course I could ride without killing myself 😂
@graybollocks
11 ай бұрын
Assuming you don’t have to ride it on JT’s original bike…
@jonnynash364
11 ай бұрын
It’s literally a 2” travel hard tail
@l21n18
11 ай бұрын
@@graybollocksjust go really slow
@l21n18
11 ай бұрын
Late 90’s one’s even don’t seem impossible, the ones today are just nuts
@keepon239
11 ай бұрын
It's insane how much better the camera coverage is here compared to what we have today.
@jarekw4262
10 ай бұрын
I mean... it's basically flat terrain, put a camera on a high stand and from one place you can cover almost quarter of the run. Now put a camera next to the rockgarden section on downhill track and... woooosh that's all for this spot. But still this video is really nice to watch.
@DjNikGnashers
11 ай бұрын
Enjoyed watching this, it brought back memories. I got my first MTB in 1988 (a Giant). Todays XC is much more extreme than this 'downhill' it's incredible how things have changed.
@br5380
11 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same, if not at the level of 'trail' that gravel bikes can handle.
@OregonCrow
10 ай бұрын
ok bye
@jonbeale4890
3 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Amazing how the bikes and tracks have changed over time 👍 👍 👍
@montecharly122
11 ай бұрын
... looks today like a CROSS COUNTRY race.. 😅
@BG-il2ym
11 ай бұрын
@montecharly122 it's more like cyclo-cross, XC courses these days have rocks and roots.
@ryanford5387
11 ай бұрын
Lots of flat turns
@QuixoteCoyote
Жыл бұрын
Today's XC courses make this look chill. Amazing what modern bikes eat up. Now you have people going to gravel bikes to get a thrill out of simple trails like this again.
@maxdeutsch4077
11 ай бұрын
i mean that bike is basically a gravel rig of modern times
@JubeProductions
11 ай бұрын
I had been riding MTB for about 3 years by this time and Tomac was like a hero. We went to Hunter Mtn in NY 2 weeks after the World Cup and it was the first time I rode lift serviced trails. I was hooked from that moment on. It took another 6 years before I bought my first DH specific bike, a 1999 Kona Stab Dee-Lux. That time was basically the birth of DH riding. John Tomac was the Godfather on Mountain bikes back then. He would race XC on Saturday, then change tires and race the same bike DH on Sunday.
@pederfallbom
2 жыл бұрын
Wow that brings back memories! I raced in the juniors class at that race. Broke my chain coming out of a gnarly section. Coasted down goofing out for the crowd which was massive! Tomac was my hero back then even as a kid coming from Sweden 🇸🇪
@icyroadwarrior
10 ай бұрын
he could win cross country, downhill and road bike (1988 USA Nat criterium Champ)
@pederfallbom
10 ай бұрын
@@icyroadwarrior Yes he could. I was in the US in 1996 and did the Redlands bycicle classic stage race (big roadrace) and Tomac was in it. At a stage called Oak Glenn Tomac and I had been cut off from the lead since we didnt have the legs so we had a chat on our way to the finish at the top of that mountain 🙂👍 He is a great guy.
@dinozoiks
8 ай бұрын
Showing my age but I was there too. And rode the course on a hardtail Zaskar. Still got the muddy number plate in my souvenirs box. Rained all week and was lethal. That off-camber corner at 1:38 was a proper drift lesson. Fun, but sketchy as hell. Best bit was I rode up on the chairlift with Tomac and he signed my GT jersey. And Hans Rey. ✊
@pederfallbom
8 ай бұрын
@@dinozoiks 😀👌 Cool memories! Tomac is very friendly and a real character! Yes that off camber fast turn was reallly hard. I crashed right there during training and coasted to a stop on my backprotection. If it had been dry I would probably Hurt myself really bad. I rode a hardtail Rocky Mountain 😀🤘
@stirfrybry1
11 ай бұрын
Wow, I reading about Tomac in Mountain Bike Action in 93 and by 96 I had won two races at Plattekill. A perfect role model for the rider. Emulate the skill and the drive and you're on you're way
@robertmcfadyen9156
11 ай бұрын
This is the downhill that I learnt . Also I have a selection of new old stock , Tioga Multi - Control saddles he used , one of which he signed in 1996 for me .
@SurferJoe71
6 жыл бұрын
The Real Legend of MT.Biking
@CyclingWorld1
5 жыл бұрын
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@kw68
11 ай бұрын
And his son is now an mx/sx legend!!. Sick
@danhirtle7825
Жыл бұрын
JT is still a stud on a bike. A few years ago he was out on a training ride with Eli and had a huge get off resulting in fx/dislocation of his elbow. Still rode 90 minutes on single track back to the trailhead where the truck was parked. I still have my '91 Serotta T-Max mtb hanging in the garage. Long stem, no dropper post, you feel like you're going over the bars just sitting on the thing. How those guys went as fast as they did back then is pretty impressive.
@Periskop55
10 ай бұрын
Я тоже однажды получил вывих локтя, упав с горы на велосипеде,это очень болезненная штука🤕
@twotwentyswift
6 жыл бұрын
Johnny T is gnarly! Awesome to see his son Eli tearing it up on 2 wheels as well!
@CyclingWorld1
5 жыл бұрын
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@BadMonkeyFinger_Audio
11 ай бұрын
This brings back a LOT of memories. Watching this makes me see just how much more difficult things were on these old bikes by comparison to current bike tech. I currently have a 1997 Specialized Stumpjumper, which I use for city riding only. I couldn't imagine riding a downhill like this on it - not a chance.
@sigalfamily4771
8 ай бұрын
I raced amateur in Tomac's era on a fully rigid for a few years, then got a Stumpy in 1996 with FS. Like a magic carpet! But, on the other hand, the courses were totally rideable on the equipment of the time. So I"m not sure it was more difficult, as once everyone had FS and big wheels/tires, the courses just got harder. You could have ridden a lot of XC courses in the 1990s on a modern gravel bike without much of a penalty.
@GT-cx8vd
5 жыл бұрын
An absolute character? And an absolute fucking legend I may add. This guy was phenomenal. That's all there is to it
@CyclingWorld1
5 жыл бұрын
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@SteveMuir
11 ай бұрын
Legend. !!!! i I have managed to mainly useJohn Tomac Kenda tyres on my mountain bike since i got it in 2011. Nevegals, slant 6 and the wife has small block8s on the back of her bike. (All but one week when I had a Conti on the back. )
@Gazzaloddi-ml9ej
6 ай бұрын
30 years ago, man time flies. I got into bikes in 91
@samblenkharn8099
Жыл бұрын
Great to see this footage from back in the day.
@ganimed1976
6 жыл бұрын
I also drove such a Tioga Disk Wheel in the 90's on my bike. The sound in made was awesome. I had the first model of these Tioga wheels (dark one) and later the transparent second version. It was THE eyecatcher on every trail. I drove it with a XTR M900 rear hub. These Tioga kevlar webbing wheels are hard to find nowadays and very expensive in good condition.
@CyclingWorld1
5 жыл бұрын
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4 жыл бұрын
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@RickyDownhillRDH
11 ай бұрын
Crazy how much the bikes and tracks have changed over the years… those narrow bars always give me ptsd!! That would be a blue trail now days!
@tedecker3792
11 ай бұрын
What an event that was! I flew in to Geneva with my mountain bike, ride the VTT trails in the alps, then spent the last week in Metabief.
@donnovicki9771
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he was on the cover of Mountain Bike Action magazine more than any other rider, even Ned. Wish I still had all my old Magazines......
@shawnomeara6153
Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine how rad JT would’ve been on a modern bike!
@AngelGonzalez-hc4zw
Жыл бұрын
Oh man, great to hear David Duffield voice of Eurosport Cycling network. Love listening during the Tour.
@waynemcclean1180
2 жыл бұрын
AMAZING Work Thank you.
@waynemcclean1180
2 жыл бұрын
robert savage out, stinker juarez out, wayne croasdale in.
@TheDesertRat31
11 ай бұрын
The year I started riding mtb.. those were the days. My first bike was full rigid.
@renaissanceman8564
Жыл бұрын
Goat,,Lemond, Phinney, Hampsten, hell all of the team 7-11 yes even Bobkie
@gromajor
4 жыл бұрын
aaaah, the time when metabief was one of the top spots of the sport... ❤🙂 incredible to see how the sport evolved, from the downhill to the freeride. 👍
@csedan510
11 ай бұрын
I raced at Mammoth Mtn. in '93, it was a treat seeing him and Ned Overand battle it out.
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
And Ned was almost 40, or may have been in 93. A guy named "Tinker", (a Mexican dude with big hair), was also right up there with Tomac and Overand. Those 3 guys always gaped the rest of the field.
@csedan510
11 ай бұрын
@@EarthSurferUSA Tinker Juarez, he was a badass!
@bigdaddytreevo4120
11 ай бұрын
Just after he took the crown from The OG Ned Overend. Both amazing racers to watch back then.
@toddh2952
11 ай бұрын
The Tomes had the best style and all around champion
@dalialove1607
5 жыл бұрын
90 forever
@CyclingWorld1
5 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it mate! without sounding like a last of the summer wine fan, the 'Old days were the best' , It's true though but they were.....Please subscribe & share if you like thanks
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4 жыл бұрын
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@jasonelicker3473
11 ай бұрын
I miss those days for sure
@benjaminniem8605
11 ай бұрын
He was my first teacher in MTB.
@m.koaguirre6609
2 жыл бұрын
Actually Will be a special stuff remake a tioga disc rims 29, looks great
@emmanordal5980
Жыл бұрын
Great value, works perfect
@user-em5tm3zi6j
8 ай бұрын
ヤバイほどカッコいい
@pitibus4069
4 жыл бұрын
This is the best channel on YT : ))
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4 жыл бұрын
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@duenodelustucru
4 жыл бұрын
Geometry isn't even appropriate for downhill. Respect for those pioneers.
@jayanderson6016
11 ай бұрын
My first real mountain bike was a '94 Raleigh Tomac MTI-1000 titanium frame XC bike. It cost US $1800 in 1994.
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
I would think, pretty much, the frame alone costs that much in 94. About $1,500 was the cost of a Ti frame back in those days. A good shifting/brake group-o was about a grand. A set of aftermarket wheels about $600. Seat/post, stem/bars, a Ti bike was about $3000, and they were the high end bikes of the day.
@anzilaj8276
3 жыл бұрын
God.blessyou.johntomac
@jag69rider
Жыл бұрын
Was at this race World Cup championship @ Bromont Canada
@shirtlessGraveler305
Жыл бұрын
Mad skills wow !!, impressive!!
@Townchild1
11 ай бұрын
This rear Wheel was in This Year very interssting and possible to buy. My First Bike was a Moongoose Iboc Team in a very Nice Grey.
@toastopia1
9 ай бұрын
It's like a modern day gravel bike
@kermit56780
11 ай бұрын
.. "Back in the day" when your balls weighed more than your entire bike 😅
@8paolo96
11 ай бұрын
This looks like cyclo-cross with a slight downhill gradient. Probably the bike field where there have been more changes/improvements
@doxielain2231
11 ай бұрын
Wow, we have come such a long way. That would be a green trail on a modern bike.
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
In some cases, too long IMO. There is a guy flying down hills (these are the early day downhill competition when most riders still rejected rear suspension, and disk brakes), with a short chain stay and a 71 degree head angle. I bet a modern stretch hard tail with a 68-65 degree slack head angle, 29" wheels, can't go down that course as fast as Tomac did here. If we did not build berms, would the bike geometry head angle get steeper? I think it would.
@l21n18
11 ай бұрын
@@EarthSurferUSAcan’t really compare with different tech
@johnmausteller
11 ай бұрын
Dudes flying
@Main.Account
11 ай бұрын
Legend!
@Sustrii
9 ай бұрын
our xc regionals is the same has the 93 downhill world cup
@marcjohnson7882
11 ай бұрын
Great rider, but a very different downhill than we have today.
@fatbikedad384
11 ай бұрын
LEGEND
@stuartwood9339
4 жыл бұрын
And then you get Eli on the motorbike
@samj1185
Жыл бұрын
Hope Eli heals up strong and can come back!
@luiggiserrano1735
11 ай бұрын
Qué diferencia 30 años después. Las bicis, los recorridos... Actualmente predomina el desnivel y la dificultad tecnica. Entonces era la velocidad y ausencia total de dificultad tecnica. La evolución de las bicis han determinado los recorridos, o viceversa.
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
I can't argue with that. But I can't agree with it either. Tomac was the King. The guy who won everything.
@daviddurok
11 ай бұрын
I had a 1992 Raleigh Dyna Tech titanium bike, xtr/ xt group set titanium forks, my god that bike could move, still got it hanging in my gym at home, I will never part with it 🚴
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
I have a lovely welded 95 Nuke Proof Ti 17" Mt. bike, (Mark really got the welding down pat in 95). It may be the most complete vintage Ti. NK bike in existence today. I used to work there in 94/95 as their first machinist. I am the guy who got the hubs to stop breaking. My retailer is younger than me and still rides, so I am getting the forks fixed up and giving it to him for 20 years of us doing great business together. It will probably end up in a Museum after he is done riding it. With Ti forks, you were probably under 21lbs. I think mine is just over 22 with telescopic forks. They are fast bikes. Ti is a special material for hard tails. Doug in Michigan
@daviddurok
11 ай бұрын
Nuke Proof do some amazing Ti/ carbon bikes, I absolutely luv them. Michael Cowan who continued the Nuke proof name has stuck to the ethos of original Nuke Proof, they very much are riders choice. Thanks for sharing your story I enjoyed reading it 😁
@MongolMan1983
11 ай бұрын
That’s wild…they put an aero disc on the rear wheel just like TT bike lol The 90’s really were crazier in terms of MTB tech
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
Kids don't have the building toys we used to have on the 60's and earlier. Tinker toys, erector set, Lincoln logs, model cars and planes, (including fuel powered COX stuff). So we grew up with what may be the last of that 'building mentality", in the USA. But I can tell you from my own experience in Mt. Bike production in the mid 90's (when they were pretty new), and the business I found using my skills, (which was also a new industry), "Getting involved with a new free enterprise industry",---is where all the big excitement is at. Everybody going for it with their own ideas. That is freedom. Start an industry. (and for God's sake and the sake of mankind, keep government out of it.) :)
@scottoneill774
10 ай бұрын
check out those narrow bars!
@m.koaguirre6609
2 жыл бұрын
Super tomac
@CyclingWorld1
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, one of the best characters in MTB ever, and a lovely guy.
@michaelwoodward5787
11 ай бұрын
How things change.
@lo76er82
Жыл бұрын
1993 = 😮😬🫣 2023 = green trail PS No disrespect intended, I started mountain biking in the 90’s and remember well how the bikes and tracks were back then!
@teamdoa
11 ай бұрын
Thing is, although it isnt as technical as modern courses, the tech of the bikes at the time kind of made riding them as hard and scary in my opinion.
@l21n18
11 ай бұрын
@@teamdoagood point
@herbie5263
10 ай бұрын
If this was DH, what did XC look like?
@staffh3815
3 жыл бұрын
These are gravel bikes now
@CyclingWorld1
3 жыл бұрын
700c Wheels nowadays whereas here they were 26" but nearly!
@JoshuaTootell
2 жыл бұрын
26 and 700 are virtually the same circumference
@Gadulaksinjan
11 ай бұрын
@@JoshuaTootellWhat? 700 are exactly 29", not even close to 26.
@Mynameismud-p5t
Жыл бұрын
Pedaling on a DH Track! Crazy sh.t😂! Farmer John , Legend
@TheyForcedMyHandLE
2 жыл бұрын
You'd be in for a shocker if you showed to up a DH race today expecting the track to be like this.
@CyclingWorld1
2 жыл бұрын
Too right mate, how things have changed so much 👍🏻
@JoshuaTootell
2 жыл бұрын
Local XC race courses are more advanced than this, let alone WC XC.
@l21n18
Жыл бұрын
Well to be fair the tech has changed to not exactly like comparing old gymnastics to modern gymnastics
@MD-uu5nt
11 ай бұрын
You couldn't ride modern courses on those bikes. A gravel bike would be better than those old DH bikes.
@Firubak
11 ай бұрын
@@MD-uu5ntits actually kinda possible. I got a Raleigh Titanium XTR from my dad 3 years ago and learned to ride Enduro on it. Sure you cant Do all those fancy jumps and stuff, but to some extend those old bikes can handle gnarly shit.
@ДмитрийДунаев-е1л
11 ай бұрын
Today we calls it Cross Country
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
Cross Country has much more up-hill, (Sans the flat ground, any loop is 50% climbing.). But today, you have electric bikes. lol
@aleurodont
10 ай бұрын
Cuando no había doble suspensión, había qué tener unos huevotes para practicar down hill, de hecho ni existía el termino
@loreleiwhitcombe6371
4 жыл бұрын
Eli traded in pedals for a 450.
@nellawell4976
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, wanted something with shocks!
@alwaysshifting9574
11 ай бұрын
93 looks like the 70’s.
@danielrauer5864
10 ай бұрын
Todays MTB riders would not take a bike with that few suspension travel to ride to the ice cafe 2 blocks away.
@wombatfeeder999
Жыл бұрын
Back when people cared about mountain biking...
@dunsbroccoli2588
11 ай бұрын
The geometry looks so proper. We need to find a way to make bikes perform like they do currently but while looking like bikes, not anorexic, engineless motorcycles.
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
Although I dig hydraulic disk brakes, I am not a fan of today's slack head tube angles, heavy bikes, 29" wheels or single chain ring shifting system. I don't think they turn worth a darn with out a sculptured berm, (because of slack head angles and big wheels), and the gearing runs out at both ends, at grunt and top speed. I think we have entered a irrational generation. Frame geometry is "arts and crafts" bizarre today. Doesn't make any sense to make your trail bike handle like a Harley chopper to me.
@DIY-DaddyO
11 ай бұрын
It was so much more fun with light full rigid bikes without all the near vertical rock garden stuff...
@MTBTrek34
11 ай бұрын
This trail is gravel bike worthy now.
@serenhe7631
11 ай бұрын
Is Eli Tomac father?
@zydecbro
11 ай бұрын
imagine JT in his prime with today's technology!!
@fast22fast
11 ай бұрын
Stud just like his boy Eli
@duncanjbrown
11 ай бұрын
This is literally the gravel bike world champs non?! 😅
@donnovicki4918
6 жыл бұрын
Check out the size of that front chain ring. Need some big thighs to move that thing.
@CyclingWorld1
5 жыл бұрын
Think it was a Road Chain Ring of 52/53 or even bigger like the Kamikaze DH ratios he used to do years before it! Please subscribe & share if you like thanks
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4 жыл бұрын
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@reapanomin899
4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit,you're actually right.Makes all the MTBs of today look wimpy.And then the rear disc wheel.
@Ramon-xh2un
11 ай бұрын
O DH de antigamente parece o XC de hoje.
@robertomachadotech
11 ай бұрын
Nessa época era aro 26 de folha simples, não tinha aero parede dupla....o ciclista tinha que ser bom mesmo
@AngelGonzalez-hc4zw
Жыл бұрын
No 29ers here 😊
@DiegoRuiz1991
11 ай бұрын
I'm shit at banked turns and drops... so I guess I could've been a very much decent DH rider in the early 90s
@rodneysmart9774
Жыл бұрын
tights and tucked
@Metal-Possum
5 жыл бұрын
Put his drop bars on and it'd look like a cyclocross race...
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5 жыл бұрын
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@FUJITRACK10
11 ай бұрын
JT got his courier bars on
@islarun4103
Жыл бұрын
So fun not like today
@neuvocastezero1838
11 ай бұрын
Wow, didn't know they had carbon fiber frames in '93.
@MyDemon32
10 ай бұрын
Carbon fiber frames go as back as 1978 with Assos making the first prototype.
@dirttrackdieter
11 ай бұрын
Gravel, Cross country
@whitefrost6434
11 ай бұрын
this is downcountry
@santiagocarrizo2425
3 жыл бұрын
Los de ahora le das una rígida y empiezan a llorar jajaj
@staffh3815
3 жыл бұрын
So many mtb champs came from bmx
@CyclingWorld1
3 жыл бұрын
Tons did yes, thanks for watching
@bikebudha01
Жыл бұрын
wow, "downhill" was a bit different back in the day...
@guillaumebresson3260
11 ай бұрын
Ça pédalait beaucoup pour la DH! 😂 un autre temps. Des freins patins, une largeur du centre bien court. Pas de casque intégral. Une descente qui serait du XCO.
@ThisIsGoogle
11 ай бұрын
Holy hell they were bad back then.
@l21n18
11 ай бұрын
Um ok
@AyrtonsLoafers
11 ай бұрын
Imagine having a Time Machine and going back with a 170mm 29r. You’d be unstoppable.
@EarthSurferUSA
11 ай бұрын
I bet Tomac would beat a 29er slack head angle bike down this hill no matter who was riding it.
@victorallanpmatias
5 жыл бұрын
wanna see mike kings winning run too
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5 жыл бұрын
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4 жыл бұрын
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@davidmoore9385
Жыл бұрын
26" wheels and no rear suspension
@CyclingWorld1
Жыл бұрын
Yes mate the good olde day's 👍🏻
@miniorek
11 ай бұрын
Downhill on a gravel bike.
@mfnd502
11 ай бұрын
Those bars 😂
@Turmogo
11 ай бұрын
Most riders cut the handlebars short. Having wide handlebars was considered noobish.
@mfnd502
11 ай бұрын
@@Turmogo Im old man, that's what bar width looked like in the day.
@Turmogo
11 ай бұрын
@@mfnd502 Well, I'm in my forties, although I consider myself still young 😅 I think the standard width at that time was around 580 mm, but in the competition videos of those years the handlebars look even narrower. People used to cut them down to 550 or 560, partly because there was an obsession with weight and every gram counted.
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