Garry Kasparov vs Yoshiharu Habu Shogi next? :) #chess #shogi
@lorenorzorro7684
9 жыл бұрын
I tried to play shogi a while ago and I have to admit that it's a very nice game with many similarities to chess while still being a whole different game. I can only suggest you to try it. It requires a new type of thinking as f.i.fallen pieces can come back as well as get stronger during the game. However, well analyzed as always jerry :D keep going!
@wilhelmsarosen4735
9 жыл бұрын
It's pretty much a bughouse game with your opponent... but still it's quite interesting of a game. The pieces are limited in terms of movement though.
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
王萧予睿 Nice comparison :)
@nexxogen
9 жыл бұрын
王萧予睿 I have to disagree with that. Reusing captured pieces is not the only thing that makes shogi unique and interesting. Unique piece movements that are different than chess pieces and the ability to promote almost all of them in a larger promotion zone are just as significant as reusing the captured pieces. Also, bughouse is someone's experiment with an already greatly evolved game, while shogi has evolved and been brushed up for centuries with the drop rule already in it, so it really makes much more sense than bughouse. Here's an interesting read (expand the first message in the discussion, the one written by Larry Kaufman): groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en%03f27fd78bbed99%03f27fd78bbed99#!topic/fa.shogi/3aMMKIoYWhQ I hope Jerry allows links to be posted in the comments. :)
@finnsteur5639
9 жыл бұрын
nexxogen shogi and xiangqi are really fun games. Shogi is played with 4 generals (who move like a king) a rook and a bishop. Given the rule who permit to play again the pieces you have captured, exchange are essentials ! So you place your bishop and your rook toward the ennemy king you make one or two exchanges and then you throw the generals you have in hand in the ennemy camp wherever you like ! It's pretty fun. iT's like mating with the pieces in your hand. Xiangqi is played with two rook, two knight and two cannons but the twist is that the king is already in danger from the beginning : he cannot escape the center of the board, he has only 9 square to go to and he can only move vertically and horizontally. Sometimes mate happens in only 12 or 15 moves lol. What it remind me in chess is this time in the ending when you can mate your ennemy king with just a rook a bishop and a knight, or with two knight and a bishop or with etc... Xiangqi is all about this kind of mate from the beginning ^^ (there's no queen and like I^said earlier the king has only 9 square to go to)
@JRS030
9 жыл бұрын
I'm a decent chess player at 1650 but i tried to pick up shogi with a friend who plays it and it is so complicated... I couldn't get used to the fact that one has the possibility to return captured pieces to the board. I don't know but it is such a different style! I heard Kramnik is picking it up as well, very interested how a top chess guy will compete in that sport!
@alexrider591
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 5 Dan rating in shogi and I'm hoping to hit 7 an become a Profesional player soon, as far as chess 😬, I'm only a 1400 player, but both these guys are an inspiration
@BlackPawnMartyr
9 жыл бұрын
never heard of shogi but ill have to google it now thx,
@danielmanahan692
9 жыл бұрын
Habu would be good at playing CrazyHouse
@SSJ5VegetaV4
9 жыл бұрын
For the record, the "o" in Japanese, is pronounced more like the "o" in the english word "force" rather than the word "show".
@e4e5nc3
9 жыл бұрын
Think of Shogi as bug house 1v1. I started to play Shogi in the 90's. I feel Shogi make chess look like tic tac toe.
@superfisto
9 жыл бұрын
like, +1, thanks for posting.
@Benes911
6 жыл бұрын
Shogi really has an extra dimension relative to chess. Positions don't simplify in the same way, as captured pieces can be redeployed in the service of the captor. As someone who played a lot of xiangqi growing up (albeit badly) I found shogi to be an enormous step up in the few games that I played.
@Top10PubgMobile
9 ай бұрын
its difficult due to that extra dimension dried playing shogi for couple days and messed up and can't play chess due to religious reasons.
@davidmella1174
9 ай бұрын
@@Top10PubgMobile you can't play specifically chess?
@shrandesign
8 ай бұрын
@@Top10PubgMobileKeep playing it, I'm 1900 at Chess and going for an Expert title soon. I started learning Shogi a few days ago and it's advantageous for very tactical players like me. It's like Shogi is the Chess that I've been looking for. The game is difficult not only because of the extra dimensions but the pawns are more critical to the game as pawns can't be on the same file and they only take forwards. Meaning pawns can't protect other pawns (unless promoted) So what ends up happening is every pawn move is very aggressive and critical.. Imagine when promotion starts from the third rank, it opens up a massive tactical avenue that you can't see in Chess and that's why careless pawn moves that open up an entire file is dangerous and quite literally encourages what we Chess players would consider aggressive and exciting gameplay. No wonder Shogi players don't play Chess, cause why would they?
@knuckstrike
9 жыл бұрын
When will we see regular uploads from ShogiNetwork? :]
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
knuckstrike Nice one KS :)
@Fajowski50
9 жыл бұрын
Kasparov may be retired, but he is still sharp as a whip.
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
Nigel Thornberry Yes...he's still got it. :)
@kenta9112
4 жыл бұрын
@@ChessNetwork or does He?
@beri4138
3 жыл бұрын
@@kenta9112 Yes he does
@StarReel
9 жыл бұрын
Kasparov would get destroyed at Shogi. I'm impressed with Yoshiharu Habu's chess skills.
@adityavv96
9 жыл бұрын
Wat's shogi ?! All ik nd Wat every1 else knws is Chess nd Kasparov is d greatest in it ! period
@WastedBananas
7 жыл бұрын
Aditya Vadali its a board game in the chess family popular in japan
@aiartsev
9 жыл бұрын
I've picked up Shogi about two or three years ago, and play with some of my friends. The board is 9x9 squares, and most of the pieces have more limited movement than in Chess (each side only has one Bishop and Rook equivalent piece, and no Queen). The promotion system is slightly different, with most pieces promoting into a Gold General, promoting within the last 3 lines (the "enemy camp") instead of the last line, and being able to choose whether you want to promote or not. Finally, the greatest difference is that all the pieces are the same color, only facing different sides. When you capture a piece, it goes to your "hand", and you can play it almost anywhere on the board on your turn, thus offsetting the naturally slower movement of the pieces and creating a particular logic to piece exchange (exchanging equal material is sometimes really bad because it goes to your opponent's hand and he might play it right away somewhere on the board instead of having it stuck wherever it was). There're a couple nuances and more rules I won't mention here. You should be able to get similar software to show Shogi matches, and the ones I've seen before buying my own board came with the possibility of using language neutral symbols to represent the pieces.
@t.alexanderlystad291
9 жыл бұрын
I ~never comment on KZitem videos, but I have to say that I'd definitely love for you to learn shogi and present the games you mentioned. Even more, I'd love some introduction videos for people who have never played shogi but want to learn it.
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
We'll have to see about that. :)
@nexxogen
9 жыл бұрын
ChessNetwork I hope you do find the time and the will to learn shogi a bit, regardless of whether they play those games or not, because I guarantee you'd fall in love with it quickly. It is a very tactical game and since you're a positional chess player, it could improve your tactical skills significantly. Some top class chess GMs like Lagrave play it when they have time. I'd also like to show you a text American chess GM Larry Kaufman has written about the various games from the Chaturanga family (chess and shogi included) where he talks about their merits and their faults as well, but I'm not sure if you allow links to be posted here so please tell me if it's OK to post that link. The conclusion of that analysis of his is pretty interesting. :)
@calidude146
9 жыл бұрын
The KZitem user, HIDETCHI, has videos posted on how to play shogi. Just look for his "How to play Shogi - Lesson" series. He's also posted commentaries of notable shogi games, several of which involve Yoshi Habu. They're all quite fun to watch once you get acquainted with the new pieces and how they move. :)
@dstn3422
9 жыл бұрын
calidude146 indeed HIGETCHI has everything you need if you want to become a good shogi player but sadly he's not active lately
@RustyNPiece
9 жыл бұрын
Shogi is certainly a great game, although the opening stage is quite dry because you spend a lot of moves securing your position before you really start battle (if you think not castleing in chess is bad, then you never experienced omitting castleing in Shogi : D). As others have said, it's very tactical and so far I haven't see a dry middle- or endgame, I prefer that to chess actually. It's also very rare (compared to chess) to get a draw. So if you like to a go for the "kill" then Shogi is certainly more fun. The big downside for me personally is not having a lot of people to play with (internet aside, there are great servers for Shogi in English) and limited study material (that's coming from a Go player, but Go in the West is huge compared to Shogi). I like to get excited about things, like watching your chess videos and stuff. I haven't found something similar for Shogi, so I stopped after a couple of months. Wouldn't mind seeing you start, though, and doing the same as with your fun and educational chess videos. Maybe I'll reconsider then ; )
@finnsteur5639
9 жыл бұрын
hidetchi series ?
@RustyNPiece
9 жыл бұрын
...is great, without a doubt (I also started with his videos). But it is much more limited to what ChessNetwork (and a whole lot of other chess chanels) offers. It also favours education over fun and often fun is far more motivational (for me atleast ; ) )
@ZoeTheCat
9 жыл бұрын
I don't know Shogi either, but I'd bet Kasparov would NEVER beat Habu at Shogi. It probably takes just as much effort to be a world champion Shogi player as it does to be the Chess Champion. I doubt whether Kasparov would even entertain the thought - He doesn't like to lose as we all know ;-)
@alanfalleur6550
9 жыл бұрын
That's no saying much. 99.9999% of the Japanese population would never beat Habu at shogi. The fact that Habu is currently ranked the best native Japanese player in both chess and shogi speaks for itself.
@ZoeTheCat
8 жыл бұрын
Alan Falleur I think that was my point ;-)
@M41in4
9 жыл бұрын
I would really like to see a Shogi game, between these two :) btw Nice analyse Jerry, once again :)
@hztjij2977
2 жыл бұрын
Habu bi dobio za sek
@jeunesseeternelle9803
Жыл бұрын
Kasparov would be eaten alive
@sleepyeyeguy
9 жыл бұрын
Wow 2400 rating...not too shabby.
@Harlequin314159
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry! I for one would have no problem watching you comment on a Shogi match even if you are simply explaining it at a low level for people with no experience in the game. That would be very informative and entertaining :D
@mannyweinhaus9975
Жыл бұрын
Shogi is just a different dimension. Idk where but I heard Hikaru supposedly played with his grandpa and was always beat. Shogi can translate to Shogi (with some practice ofc) but Shogi is just such a huge step up from chess in tactics, proverbs and so on if kasporov played Shogi exclusively for 10 years he would lose to habu 100x in a row for sure.
@dane6689
Жыл бұрын
It was Fuji who beat his grandpa, unless they both did because I don't know about Habu
@nontth5355
6 жыл бұрын
Shogi for me is super hard!! Because a pawn capture not diaganol and every piece look the same expect for japanese alphabet ..and every piece can be promote shogi is hard for me...
@JoseSalazar-vs8zw
9 жыл бұрын
Good games and excellent commentary.Kasparov lost to Kramnik in 2000.Nevertheless, I think he lost due to being involved in politic not getting enough concentration on the chess board, and this is my opinion, but Kasparov could beat any of the actual elite .GM's.
@Bladavia
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Kasparov would get destroyed in shogi
@d0m4rm
9 жыл бұрын
Hey Jerry - this was a great video, thanks a lot for the instructive analysis! Very exciting to see Kasparov back in action, even against a much lower-rated opponent. It was especially reassuring how he didn't give up in the equal position in the 2nd game. Looking forward to the Shogi video!
@AwkwardTurtle311
2 жыл бұрын
Habu is ridiculously impressive
@Dandidodos
9 жыл бұрын
lol, Habu would completely destroy Kasparov at Shogi.
@sanitary103
9 жыл бұрын
do you guys think Kasparov could hang with the top guys currently? I know he's retired but if he decided to start training extensively, how well do you think he could be? or are chess masters once past their prime, past it for good?
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
I think he'd be back up there. At least top 10.
@anglexdangle
9 жыл бұрын
It depends how much Chess Kasparov has played since retirement but i think he might me able to even get top 3
@Gold139
9 жыл бұрын
around kramnik's position at best i think, i think he would sweat versus nakamura or aronian now.
@fernandomariz7057
6 жыл бұрын
I think he would be at least Top 20... But I think he still has capacity of playing among top 10, the point is if he will have the energy of doing so, once he and his wife gave an interview and was asked if he could still beat Carlsen, was pointed out that in a single game he still would give a lot of trouble, but in match or in a series of games like a long tournament he couldn't since due to his age he gets tired easily...
@dan_tr4pd00r
9 жыл бұрын
Jerry- videos of you playing shogi when?
@Mitchlb452
8 жыл бұрын
I actually came here because I'm a Habu fan. Shogi is my favorite game.
@cmares5858
9 жыл бұрын
Do you guys think if Kasparov came back full time he could maintain a 2700+ rating?
@tharindanimnajith3525
8 жыл бұрын
He would maintain a 2800+ rating!
@wiiliskaako5875
6 жыл бұрын
hh you are understimating kasparov show respect watch he games , he is the best chess player of all time arguably
@badereric
4 жыл бұрын
he could definitely have maintained 2700 when you left this comment. 5 years later and I'm guessing he still could, but not as sure.
@Xclann
9 жыл бұрын
Never expected to see Habu Yoshiharu in your videos!
@kigakiku2011
3 жыл бұрын
Re: “If they played shogi”- obviously Habu would wipe the floor w/ Kasparov
@modolief
9 жыл бұрын
What that other guy said about your calm analysis! Very smooth, clear run-through, thanks.
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks modo
@Xplayer007
9 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, Kasparov said that he wouldn't play a shogi match as he doesn't know more than the very basics of the game.
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
Xplayer007 He could always learn. I'd love to see him play a shogi match with Habu.
@nexxogen
9 жыл бұрын
ChessNetwork He actually played one game like 15 years ago or so. He lost to a Japanese amateur 4th Dan player, but of course, he had shown great talent as shogi is of coruse a relative of chess. Right now, Habu could certainly beat him with a four piece handicap without any difficulty at all. The only question is whether Kasparov has the will to learn shogi, and I certainly hope he does.
@danielbspinola
2 жыл бұрын
On 12:28 if black plays rook to d7, would be winning the queen for the rook due to mate threat on d1, right?
@voiceofben7338
3 жыл бұрын
I see alot of "shogi master plays chess" but not much of the other way around
@clearlypellucid
8 жыл бұрын
Habu is pronounced more like "hah-boo" than "hab-oo."
@mohammedzidan5279
9 жыл бұрын
Habu, what a cool name>>
@richardsrensen4219
9 жыл бұрын
very good chess this 2 games shows how stong and creative Kasparov still is in his play
@HunterBelkiran
9 жыл бұрын
kasparov is an amazing player. I love his bold tactics.
@H2oFormula
9 жыл бұрын
9. NE5 9. NxD2 10. Bc2 10. Bg2 11. Kg2 This seems like a fine line. why 9. Ne5 9.c5??
@snickersma
9 жыл бұрын
Game 1 - win a pawn .. play simply and solid .. and slowly but surely the screws turn in your favour... Horrible way to be on the losing side of that! Shudders. Feels like you haven't even played a game ... you are just putting out the constant threats and fires trying to win back some chance of just starting an attack!
@naocom1116
9 жыл бұрын
The chess legend vs the shogi legend. That's something.
@cameron9878
9 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is a great upload, thanks a lot Jerry!
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
Og Wolfrom Welcome :)
@davidwagner6116
Жыл бұрын
Jerry, you would really like shogi. Hidetchi has great content on KZitem: rules, openings, tactics, famous games, current title matches (12 years ago, now), variants. Habu is to shogi who Carlsen is to chess. This was fantastic, thanks!
@mada9891
9 жыл бұрын
Could white not get the move back with the promote with check? It would probably be losing as Kxg2 or Kxh4 and now down on material.
@mwoolner
9 жыл бұрын
I took a look at some shogi intro videos and some walkthroughs of some famous games... after 6 or 7 introductory videos, I was unprepared to really appreciate what the hell was going on in those matches. There were more than a few rules I probably missed or didn't understand, let alone having a very hard time distinguishing between not only the different pieces from the characters, but even figuring out which pieces were fighting for which side as direction, not color, determine which side a piece is fighting for. I'm not even sure I can comprehend fully the extent of this guy's mastery of the game. I doubt very seriously that Kasparov will be able to play Habu in any real sense unless he's been playing for some time already. How Habu is also a master in chess is truly awe inspiring.
@chosenovercomer5443
9 жыл бұрын
Kasparov still got it!!!
@valentijnraw
9 жыл бұрын
i like shogi but the pieces are very hard to distinguish from each other because of the chinese signs instead of figures. never played it though but it seems more sophisticated than chess
@Rieper47
9 жыл бұрын
Right, time for me to make a ShogiNetwork account and rival Jerry. There seems to be a lot of interest here and I may even become more famous than anti_network!
@KripticMike
9 жыл бұрын
"Gosh, Larry sure is different than Gary. And Gary and Larry are REAL different than... Jerry! Oh Gary why did you have to go?!" WHY GARY?! WHYYY?! WHY?! WHY?! WHY?! WHY?! WHY?! WHY?!"
@petersmythe6484
9 жыл бұрын
... Nd4 was was probably a winning move in many of the games he plays against much weaker opponents.
@bretticust9820
9 жыл бұрын
1st keep the vids coming jerry --- ps more cube warzone please :)
@KakoriGames
9 жыл бұрын
Hey jerry, shogi is a very good game, you should take a look at it.
@miraj0072004
9 жыл бұрын
If Kasparov played Anand today, who do you think will win?
@jatelviss
9 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the history lessons before the actual video... good insight
@origamicaptain5664
9 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Where can I watch the full game broadcast?
@GhostAemaeth2501
9 жыл бұрын
over 2400 and is the best chess player in Japan?? - Wow, that´s pretty low... 128 Mio. People and not even one chess GM, hard to believe that is - would Master Yoda said :-)
@alanfalleur6550
9 жыл бұрын
It's all about the training programs for the young. The Japanese don't have extensive chess training programs for the young to identify and promote youth talent in chess. They do have very sophisticated ones to pick out promising go and shogi players as kids, so it's no surprise there are only a handful of professional shogi and go players not native to East Asia (I'm not counting the Russian Federation as East Asia) and none of them are even near the top.
@fredludd
9 жыл бұрын
You'd learn shogi just to present us with some games? Man, you're too good to us!
@christopherdenzilsmith1358
9 жыл бұрын
Great analysis Jerry, thanks mate. I'd really enjoy a shogi video from you.
@anglexdangle
9 жыл бұрын
Could you play vs Play Magnus at age 23 please?
@johngriller4997
9 жыл бұрын
Way to come out of retirement and play at a high level. Kudos to Kasparov!!
@spyros07
9 жыл бұрын
Kasparov just crushing, what a surprise.
@chris_2208
4 жыл бұрын
I think would be good in Chess 960
@KA1blow
9 жыл бұрын
What's shogi game and how it's played ?
@hchris2
9 жыл бұрын
okay now a shogi match
@iliastsagas9588
9 жыл бұрын
Which software are you using?
@DemandsASongofFarts
9 жыл бұрын
heck yeah shogi !
@DemandsASongofFarts
9 жыл бұрын
also, accent on the HA-bu (higher vowel!)
@esamudani2845
8 жыл бұрын
whats a shogi?
@mettataurr
9 жыл бұрын
salamander salamanded
@ThatOneScienceGuy
9 жыл бұрын
You give really great chess analyses.
@CarlosCastroRomero
5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking... In the second game, move 20, wouldn't Rd7 have been a killer move by black? Or am I missing something? If queen takes queen, Rxd1 replies with mate. Queen would have to give herself for the rook...
@tadou98
5 жыл бұрын
looks true to me... :D
@tadou98
5 жыл бұрын
but Nc1 and you lost a queen :(
@CarlosCastroRomero
5 жыл бұрын
@@tadou98 oh, true. Now it seems so obvious haha
@comic4relief
2 жыл бұрын
Would not be mate.
@TheGta4you
9 жыл бұрын
jerry i love you, no homo :D
@herzwatithink9289
9 жыл бұрын
Mega strong from Gazza!
@maapata
9 жыл бұрын
I have played few Shogi games. Shogi is much more complicated than chess, Garry would be decimated.
@wightknight7056
9 жыл бұрын
thats was realy cool game
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it Vitaliy. :)
@northzealand
9 жыл бұрын
Garry u are sharp
@ChessNetwork
9 жыл бұрын
He is... :)
@NameisU
7 жыл бұрын
12:26 R D7
@ДимаРодин-ы2щ
4 жыл бұрын
2.Qxb6 Rxd1 3.Nc1 Bh6 4.Bb5 +-
@johnanth
9 жыл бұрын
Not bad, though what I really I want to see is Kasparov's big stupid ego totally crushed in shogi by master Habu.
@ცოტნებებიაშვილი
5 жыл бұрын
If they play shogi Habu will win, trust me. At least he has played 1000 more professional matches :D
@badereric
4 жыл бұрын
yeah, kasparov only knows the very basics. probably out of 500 games habu would beat kasparov once or twice in chess, but probably kasparov would never beat habu in shogi because he hasnt practiced it at all.
@isaaccheetham5081
9 жыл бұрын
Man, I love these videos. Super fun to watch and I feel like I've learned so much.
@artistryartistry7239
9 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why "shogi" is being talked about here like it's a household term that everyone would know?
@Watupm
9 жыл бұрын
everybody knows everything in this new age of google ;)
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