The mustang has bigger windows and visibility for safety reasons. It's to allow the drivers to see potential crowds they might hit.
@matthewzhang1579
7 жыл бұрын
Zophix - no it allows them to see crowds to aim for, there is not "potential collision", it's gonna happen.
@alonsoreyes9422
5 жыл бұрын
Clearly they still hit the crowds so.......
@Nigel__
5 жыл бұрын
Only the lamest of the lame would make such a comment. Learn to be original.
@RetroByLaw
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah true I love to see the fear in the eyes of the Camaro drivers in driving into lots of fun lol
@chrisprilloisebola
4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@MarKicks
8 жыл бұрын
Just got the 2016 Camaro.....BEAST
@birdyos6303
4 жыл бұрын
after 3 years was it worth it?
@jnagime
4 жыл бұрын
Thinking about to get 16 one.....to me Camaro interior looks so much better.
@redcamaro9401
4 жыл бұрын
@@birdyos6303 bought it 3 years ago. worth it.
@mob4336
4 жыл бұрын
Totally worth it , all around amazing car. Drives like a super car .
@utahcountypicazospage5412
4 жыл бұрын
Stick or automatic
@TrailRecon
8 жыл бұрын
The never ending Mustang vs Camaro battle... always fun to watch. Thanks guys!
@coureurdebois
8 жыл бұрын
for the last time, the 6.2L LT1 weighs 403 LBS its also 30% smaller and more compact than the 5.0. the 5.0 weighs 444 LBS and is quite a bit taller and wider thanks to the valves and cams.( the 50 weighs as much as the LT4) just because the displacement is larger THAT does not equal a physically larger or heavier engine in fact in this case its the opposite ironically.
@ayushmalpeddi2793
Жыл бұрын
Well said.
@DPCcars
8 жыл бұрын
Both Chevy and Ford have done fantastic job with these cars.
@Southpaw-qc9gh
5 жыл бұрын
5.7 second 0-60 “Not bad, that was a good launch”
@Southpaw-qc9gh
2 жыл бұрын
@RcLoko agreed lol, just being sarcastic
@michaelswearingen4596
2 жыл бұрын
Mile above sea level, each car is a second faster at sea level
@brandenhart3768
7 жыл бұрын
As an owner of of 2 mustangs, I will say Chevy hit the nail on the head with the Camaro SS. The exterior is gorgeous, and the performance is awesome. Visibility is lacking in the Camaro, but he performance and handling more than makes up for that. Great job Chevrolet!
@tacticalbt1023
5 жыл бұрын
You are right my friend ! But I think the mustang still looks better n sounds better 😎🤙
@TheAow4321
4 жыл бұрын
@@tacticalbt1023 Looks-wise The mustang is for people who wish the ford fusion was a coupe
@tacticalbt1023
4 жыл бұрын
TheAow4321 well it sure must look n drive good to out sale the Camaro n never have been out of production but yea whatever ya say brother 🤔
@tacticalbt1023
4 жыл бұрын
TheAow4321 the Camaro is about to go out of production I’ve been hearing they will never sale as good as charger challenger or mustangs those look great n sound much better then any Camaro...
@TheAow4321
4 жыл бұрын
@@tacticalbt1023 Bigger trunk, better visibility, lower entry price. Doesn't make it a better car, it is a better value though. The Camaro is for people who want the best most aggressive platform. Most people like yourself require a softer car as a daily driver, the mustang is softer and easier to live with than the camaro. While the camaro eats it alive on the track.
@bbrom333
7 жыл бұрын
I owned a 2015 5.0 base gt Mustang GT with a six speed and have driven the 2017 Camaro 2SS six speed manual and the Camaro is a better car. By far. Hurts me to say, because I am a Ford guy. But damn. A Camaro 2SS is my next car.
@shanefowler9443
5 жыл бұрын
Soo..... you're gay?
@erickalvarez6746
5 жыл бұрын
Check out the 2018 now, pretty sure you’ll go back
@jnagime
4 жыл бұрын
Barry Broman I think Ford needs to change this mustangs price and the interior/ gauges the 60’s look is so f ugly.
@HughMongousPC
4 жыл бұрын
The 2018 was a good year for ford, but not good enough to get me back😂
@t-lawsfitness6044
3 жыл бұрын
That statement is true even if you do the RS vs the EcoBoost
@Nighthawk-lr9km
8 жыл бұрын
I'll buy a camaro if they ever make one I can see out of.
@wilhelmheinzerling5341
8 жыл бұрын
exactly
@rueben44
8 жыл бұрын
I can see out of it because I am not a wide old man.
@evilmuffen117
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but its really not a problem. You can see out of it fine if you learn to drive it and use your mirrors.
@Nighthawk-lr9km
8 жыл бұрын
A modern road car shouldn't require you to "learn to drive it". And whether or not you get used to it or not, I still consider it to be a safety hazard.
@evilmuffen117
8 жыл бұрын
Nighthawk2112 Every car is different and requires a hour or two to get used to it, same with the Camaro. Its not a safety hazard, I own a Camaro and its totally fine if you are a competent driver and know how to move your eyes to look at the mirrors. The only safety hazard with this car are bad drivers.
@Flakey86
8 жыл бұрын
Track comparison. No performance pack on the mustang. Performance pack not even mentioned. Okay...
@TFLcar
8 жыл бұрын
FYI: The Track Performance pack on the Mustang will compare and compete with the upcoming 2017 Camaro with the 1LE package: kzitem.info/news/bejne/roKG3Kx3amVip2U
@kahless0173
8 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car Chevy claims their cars always have the track pack with all the coolers and big brakes they threw on the car stock. thats why the dang base price is 37 to 38k with no options vs 32 for the mustang.
@jeffk464
8 жыл бұрын
You can't get around the fact that the Camaro is a lighter better sports chassis. I hate the interior but there is no denying its a pretty solid sports car with this generation.
@ren5043
8 жыл бұрын
the camaro has no track package either the mustang just got killed .I think the regular ss not 1le still beats the mustang track package .
@ren5043
8 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car the regular ss still beats the mustang pp.
@c.j.ravensfan8374
8 жыл бұрын
At least the Camaro Doesn't plow into crowds leaving cars and coffee like a mustang would, LOL.
@c.j.ravensfan8374
8 жыл бұрын
***** LOL. True!!!! but they did put down a faster time.
@c.j.ravensfan8374
8 жыл бұрын
***** LOL. okay bro. must drive a mustang. Hit any crowds lately? Jk.LOL.
@jeffk464
8 жыл бұрын
I sat in a Camaro and thought the visibility was terrible until I adjusted the seat height. Your eye level has a very small sweet spot in the camaro and you have to raise or lower the seat to get there.
@c.j.ravensfan8374
8 жыл бұрын
Jeff K What year was it? I heard it's a lot better on the 2016 model. But Never sat it one myself, Only sat in 2013 or 2014.
@c.j.ravensfan8374
8 жыл бұрын
***** LOL. I actually don't drive any sort of muscle car. But I'm sure the mullet could be said for both mustangs and camaros. LOL.
@delphi-moochymaker62
8 жыл бұрын
Roman is a Mustang fan boy from back in the day. He was going to give it a hot vote no matter what. It handles like a 1982 Country Squire station wagon.
@jaybreeze503
8 жыл бұрын
+CareerFireman better daily driver? Because it has bigger windows? What a joke. That logic the Nissan Cube should make car of the year. Camaro out performs the mustang in every way. Hey can go buy a mustang, that's fine. It's a great car. But to not admit the Camaro is the better car is a joke.
@maxschlotter4596
8 жыл бұрын
+Jay Breeze Dude you can barely see out of the Camaro. And like they said it's not comfortable for a lot of people too .
@delphi-moochymaker62
8 жыл бұрын
***** Oh I watched the vid. I also watched previous vids where he mentioned he has owned and has a soft spot for Mustangs. You should go watch those vids and come back with some perspective.
@jaybreeze503
8 жыл бұрын
+Maxwell Schlotter I have one.. Yea, it's like anything else. After 20 minutes of driving you don't even think about it. It's a non issue. I don't understand when people complain about it.
@danhellerjr
8 жыл бұрын
Everybody has a favorite. It's human nature. If you don't have a favorite car (for whatever reason) you're not a car fanatic and have no business making or watching videos like these.
@273VIPER
8 жыл бұрын
I drove both. equal in looks IMHO I ended up buying a 2SS Automatic, love it. The car just felt better.
@audiwankenobi361
8 жыл бұрын
that darn Camaro is sooo good that's it's hard to deny....I'm a FordFanBoy.
@checarlos956214
8 жыл бұрын
i own a 2010 camaro and fell in love with the new mustangs when they came out,but your right! that new camaro is a beauty
@peyn
8 жыл бұрын
I don't know why so many people complain about the visibility lol it is really not difficult to see out of at all. Plus chevy asked all the people who actually have to live with them and no one had a problem with the visibility. But I guess thats the only thing Mustang guys can find to hate on.
@Aj_0400
8 жыл бұрын
Although The Mustang Is The Calif. Special, It's Only the GT. The "GT" Is a Mid-Range Trim; In The Mustang's Trim Line-Up. Compared Camaro SS's Which is The Top Trim Level For The Vehicle, To Be 100% Fair The GT350R Is Fords Top Trim. So In A Way Its Kind Of Embarrassing That The Mid-Range Mustang Can Come Within 0.4 Sec. In 0-60 and 3.8 - 4.2 In Lap Time(s) To A Trimmed Out, Top-Of-The-Line Camaro SS. Also, The Camaro Looks Like A Toyota Corolla/Camry In The Front I'm Not Being Butt-hurt, Im Just Stating The Obvious Here
@nsotelo524
8 жыл бұрын
I've owned a 5th gen for 5 years and I hate the visibility and I actually want to get rid of my Camaro. I love Chevy. I love cars in general. Just wasn't for me.
@AHomeInTrucking
8 жыл бұрын
+Austin Wilson the Z28 is the top level trim for the Camaro you moron , before that is the ZL1 that isn't even on floors yet just like the gt350 wasn't at first. Ford fanboys I swear.
@Aj_0400
8 жыл бұрын
***** Well Its Sad When Your Saying Im Incorrect, But In Reality Im Not. If You go to "www.chevrolet.com/" then "Vehicles", "Performance" , "Camaro" , "Build & Price" then choose a body style and look! its says "1LT, 2LT, 1SS, 2SS" So Either Your Wrong, Chevrolet Refuse to advertise The Z28, even if it isn't available for sale there should be AD's out the ass for the Z28, Or Their Website Is So Bad That It Doesn't Include All Trim Models. So Since Im Not A Chevy Fan Boy Maybe The Other Trims Will Magically Appear When You Look. Chevy fanboys I swear, They aren't even aware of their website Offers.
@peyn
8 жыл бұрын
+Austin Wilson I'm just wondering why every word you type starts with a capital letter...
@billd5211
8 жыл бұрын
"The interiors look pretty cheap" -other guy roman was talking too. I disagree with that statement so much it's not funny, even tho I like the Camaro better, they both are very very nice inside so shut up about it.
@MrAdrian13
8 жыл бұрын
i thought the same thing. Both interiors are nice. I have the s550 mustang i should know
@mcrowned
8 жыл бұрын
romanatwood
@MrStinkeyWinkey
8 жыл бұрын
they look cheap compared to euro cars which is probably what that dude drives all the time
@alex369
8 жыл бұрын
i agree. you cant go wrong with either car when it comes to interior its up to what you like more. Both have something nice to offer its just up to the likes of the buyer
@eazyd34
8 жыл бұрын
You should of used a GT with performance pack and summer tires. Camaro has a bigger displacement, it will still win, but alteast give the mustang a chance. I know its "stock for stock" but the Camaro has track pack built in with its base models. Which is why it cost more.
@JahyMoonwalker
5 жыл бұрын
wider/stickier tires and lowering really help the Mustang. props to the Camaro though. I just came to this old video to see what made them rate the Mustang at about the same as an FRS. Seems a bit off.
@UNsupremeJose
8 жыл бұрын
Motor Trend is better at comparison videos.
@roskichan3001
8 жыл бұрын
to be honest your right
@Metroidam11
8 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, Motor Trend is a much bigger company with their own magazine and dozens of staff.
@chronodriver
8 жыл бұрын
I'm honored to be considered in the comparison, we shoot these in a few hours total including the studio and I only drive 3 laps in each car because we are little guys and don't have budget to replace tires etc.. As we grow we can continually improve what we do, thanks for watching :)
@NS416
8 жыл бұрын
they're huge compared to tfl
@neilgrzes9001
8 жыл бұрын
Ya
@rjfoisy
8 жыл бұрын
The Mustang should have at least had the Track Package, which is only a $2500 option, and the Mustang would still be cheaper than the Camaro even with the extraneous California Special package that just adds weight and cost. Without the proper tires and brakes this isn't a true head to head comparison. Granted, the Camaro would still beat out the Mustang even with the Track Pack, but I just have to point out that it's not a fair comparison. The Camaro SS can even compete with the GT350, which it better be able to since it costs almost the same.
@RaksNation
2 жыл бұрын
Unfair. The Camaro didnt have the track package and that would be the 1LE.
@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast
8 жыл бұрын
the seat lifts up considerably, to the point it's to high. I think it just gives them something to talk about cause I have a 16 camaro ss and I can adjust the seat to any position I want.
@gtrules46
8 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. I'm 5'7" & have NO problem seeing out of it. I had a 2015 5.0 with ford Racing suspension, exhaust, tuning, CAI & it made 405 HP to the wheels here in Albuquerque which is a mile above sea level. Now I have a 2016 Camaro SS & it made 395 to the wheels STOCK up here. The Mustang with the Ford Racing suspension handled just as well as the Camaro, but with a much more harsh ride. I love'em both though...
@lindaholliday3913
8 жыл бұрын
Treed
@jaraman9
8 жыл бұрын
I drive my father in laws camaro sometimes and I too have trouble getting the seat adjusted. its either too low for me to see out of the vehicle well, or when i move it up, my hair is brushing the liner. im 6ft even
@Bigman211
8 жыл бұрын
nice
@Jassari96q8
8 жыл бұрын
Same here
@mackinass916
8 жыл бұрын
did they really treat that track battle as an even fight ? camaro had staggered SUMMER tires, while the mustang had all season tires. put some summer tires on the mustang and i bet it'll have better numbers on the track. man, these guys are biased as fuck.
@TFLcar
8 жыл бұрын
We test them as they come from the manufacturer. BTW, Roman chose the Mustang GT.
@jasonlitz2907
8 жыл бұрын
9000 Miles on an all season tire vs 500 miles makes a difference. Those High Performance All Seasons only last about 20-25k miles. So they were already half used. That isn't from the manufacturer like that. Just a point. 15:01
@juzoli
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, they just did. They broke the first and most important rule of any comparison, without any particular reason.If they want the Camaro to win, they can also put flat winter tires and expired gas into the Mustang, to cripple it down even more.
@Sahadi420
8 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you get the Performance pack GT?? I'm curious to see a Performance pack, vs a non-performance pack GT around a track. And I realize you drive them "as is".........but you could at least mention "the Camaro does have stickier tires."
@loneponderer495
8 жыл бұрын
Off set not staggered which has to do with rim size not something they can fix unless they go after market which wouldn't be fare. Yes maybe they could have used summer tires on both, but expecting them to switch out the rims is unreachable given this was a test between versions that regular people would buy not track nuts.
@maestroadam
8 жыл бұрын
that Camaro looks like it came from Toys R Us
@coureurdebois
8 жыл бұрын
mustang looks like a frumpy soft fusion coupe ill edit this in here: i actually like the mustang, the GT350 is one of my all time fav cars, but lets be real here, the SS is clearly better than the GT, give credit where credit is due. better interior, more performance, more sound from the exhaust, more show stopping looks, far more aggressive design, better driving dynamics, and it holds it will re-sale value far better ;)
@Aj_0400
8 жыл бұрын
it looks like a Toyota corolla in the front
@t3ddybear4lif3
8 жыл бұрын
The mustang looks like 3 kids tried their best and making something faster than a bicycle.
@t3ddybear4lif3
8 жыл бұрын
+justin bouche I read this after the comment. But your still wrong. Camaros are actually holding their resale really great. I was debating trading mine in for a new one. So I know. Lol.
@coureurdebois
8 жыл бұрын
alex rivas lol, i probably did not make it very clear, i was saying the camaro holds its resale value far better than the mustang. not the mustang has a better resale value than the camaro lol.
@Fisherman99
8 жыл бұрын
All the butt hurt mustang fans in the comments
@sleepytimemeditation3618
8 жыл бұрын
I own a mustang and will admit that I'm a little jelly that the camero is miles better performance wise than the mustang. it's a beast of a car.
@Aku112811
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah but it takes Chevy to use 1.2l more and the corvette engine to compete. None the less it's faster but with some bolt on's on the mustang it should be able to keep up. I love the sound though but not a huge fan of Chevy interiors. For example the gauges on the corvette look so bland.
@sleepytimemeditation3618
8 жыл бұрын
Mike it's true that the camero takes parts and pieces from its older sisters but it's still a sick car. As for the interior of the camero the only thing that bothers me is how the screen is slanted down wards. That being said I still wouldn't trade my mustang for a camero.
@alex369
8 жыл бұрын
Dont forget it takes Ford a wider block, 32 Valves and 4 cams. while chevys uses half. Plz do some research at least before talking a 4cyl driver.
@efthimios
8 жыл бұрын
Both great cars-, the camaro was shit for the longest time and stepped it up to. Match the new Mustang It's subjective but the stang has nicer interior the camaro improved alot
@fatboy19831
8 жыл бұрын
Nice try guys. A Mustang without summer tires or the track pack is a strictly street car. The two cars are just not on the same level. I am very disappointed. This test proves nothing. Even with the track pack the Mustang may not have won. At least it would have been a fair race. At least give the Mustang summer rubber. The Mustang was so handicapped that the MX5 was faster.
@TFLcar
8 жыл бұрын
+fatboy19831 these are two stock V8 cars equipped the way the come from the factory. It seems like many Mustang fans want us to give the stang an unfair advantage by upgrading the car with non stock tires and an upgraded performance package. Now that would be unfair. This test is completely apples to apples and we stand by our results! If you don't like the way Ford specs their Stock GT, you should complain to Ford....not us.
@fatboy19831
8 жыл бұрын
The base Mustang GT is there for one purpose. To simply be the fastest car you can buy for 30 grand. That is it. It is a whooping $4000 less than the Camaro SS. The GT package on the Mustang GT is an $2500 option. Not a non-stock upgrade.That includes 373:1 gears , upgraded spring, shocks, cooling,Summer rubber and Brembo brakes. Even after all that the GT would Still have a $1200 price advantage over the SS. The shorter gears would have closed the gap on acceleration. I know you can only test what is offered in the press fleet. $ for $ the two cars would have been equipped and optioned about the same. I still think the Camaro would have won. Then you would be down to less than a second difference. For your professional driver to say he thought the two cars would be closer when one is on all seasons vs summer tires? Old heads order the GT track pack all the time with no other options. Ford offers the GT package for folks that want to track their car. Most GT owners will never track their cars and are better off without the $2500 track pack. shop.ford.com/build/mustang/#/config/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2017%7C1%7C1.%7C300A.P8C..CI...COU.67G.MST.~YZKAA.GT.LESS.%5D
@billsouza4457
8 жыл бұрын
+fatboy19831 I like your BRZ, I have an FR-S. How many track shoot outs have these cars lost because of the shitty tires ? It's what the factory gave them. Can't really bitch.
@johncaves6386
8 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car badass response! lol
@Dangerzone032
8 жыл бұрын
I hate all of you Mustang owners that get mad for no reason. YOUR CAR SUCKS, JUST FACE IT.
@scarbourgeoisie
3 жыл бұрын
The Stang is still the classic pony car - where it has evolved immensely from it origins. The Alpha based Camaro on the other hand feels like a four seat Vette when you drive it. They are nothing alike. Both are great, pick the one that fits you best.
@ztwntyn8
Жыл бұрын
Yeah.. sucks Transformers...
@seanpeifer8074
8 жыл бұрын
That new Camaro is just amazing...
@jediwebdude
8 жыл бұрын
For tracking, that Mustang definitely lacked the right tires. I track in Cresson, TX and enjoy excellent handling on summer 265s front 275s rear Z rated P Zero tires.
@tdgblambo600
8 жыл бұрын
Good to hear that GM made improvements to the six speed shifter and clutch, I hear that most people don't like the action and engagement of the clutch and shifter of the older fifth gen Camaros. I've got a '10 SS with six speed auto and after driving a manual gearbox car for the last ten years, I like it but want back into a manual shift vehicle. I may be looking at one of these in a year or two after the '10 is paid off.
@clovisthefirst492
8 жыл бұрын
camaro for sure, you want a car that excites you when you drive it, most people spending 40K+ on a car already have a truck or DD. so camaro fo sure
@rotaryperfection
8 жыл бұрын
Doesn't make since that a smaller 5.0L displacement engine makes MORE low end torque than a 6.2L. I think the difference is traction (or the Fords lack thereof). Also fresh tires are much better than slightly worn. Ford should have put better tires on the GT.
@Aj_0400
8 жыл бұрын
Although The Mustang Is The Calif. Special, It's Only the GT. The "GT" Is a Mid-Range Trim; In The Mustang's Trim Line-Up. Compared Camaro SS's Which is The Top Trim Level For The Vehicle, To Be 100% Fair The GT350R Is Fords Top Trim. So In A Way Its Kind Of Embarrassing That The Mid-Range Mustang Can Come Within 0.4 Sec. In 0-60 and 3.8 - 4.2 In Lap Time(s) To A Trimmed Out, Top-Of-The-Line Camaro SS. I'm Not Being Butt-hurt, Im Just Stating The Obvious Here
@rotaryperfection
8 жыл бұрын
+Austin Wilson I'm confused! I thought the gt and ss we're on the same level because they both introduce the base V8?
@Aj_0400
8 жыл бұрын
RotaryPerfection The 1SS From Camaro Is The First Trim level That Offers A V8; The Base GT Offers A V8. Which If Your Talking Cylinders This Is Fair, BUT The Issue Lies In You Comparing A Top Trim Level Camaro With A Mid-Range Trimmed Mustang. Let Me Break Down This Confusing Mess: A Good Example Is This. In This Example, The Camaro Will Be Alfa Romeo, And The Mustang Will Be A 2008 Ford Fusion SEL. Not Fair Right? But Since Both Have A V6 They Are Compared To Each-other Like They're Similar When They're Not. So A True Comparison Would Be The 2SS And A GT350R
@rotaryperfection
8 жыл бұрын
+Austin Wilson Trim is one thing however, they are on the same levels based on engine choice options. This was a performance test so most magazines match engine per engine. If a particular suspension package gives one car an advantage over another, magazines try to also match the suspension trim to keep things even. Both last gen cars where matched GT to SS because of the available base engines. The boss was matched to the LT1 because both had the optional upgraded engines. Just because the LT1 isn't available yet doesn't mean the SS has to compare to the Gt350 as that car is Fords second / more powerfull V8 option.
@Aj_0400
8 жыл бұрын
RotaryPerfection The SS Is Currently The Camaro's Most Powerful Option When Building Your Own Camaro, What Has Gotten Lost In Translation Is Your Comparing Two Cars That Aren't Exactly Comparable. Don't Get Me Wrong, You Are 100% Correct About Their Way Of Comparing Cars, The Issue With That System Is Their Comparing The Best One Brand Offers, Versus The Mid-Ranged Option Of The Other. That Style Is A "One Fits All Style" This Creates A Problem When You Get Into Details Like; Weight, Steering, And Overall Performance Because I Can Guarantee That The GT Didn't Have As Much Time And Money Involved As The 2SS Has. Thats Where The Problem Originates, You Cant Compare 8,000 Man Hours To 6,000 Man Hours And Expect Better Quality Out Of Something That Hasn't Had A Chance To Be Perfected Like The Product That Has Had 2,000 More Man Hours (Im Sure There's More Hours Put Into Each) Its Not Either Cars Fault, Nor Is It Mine Or Yours. Its Who Ever Compared The Two In The First Place. Again, Love Both Cars, But They Shouldn't Have Been Compared Like This
@dolfindive992
8 жыл бұрын
Roman is such a ford fanboy. He really can't hide it.
@HumbertoYi0878
8 жыл бұрын
made it until 38 seconds...when you said it was a cage match. The current mustang is a joke...which makes me sad as a previous mustang owner and never having owned a camaro. ford mailed it in with the redesign, added weight, and left the power the same. GM jumped on them. I'm guessing ford was already working on, and planning everything on the 350. But the GT will just get wrecked by the camaro SS. Might as well put the SS up against the 350 and make it a good fight.
@thrizzler2377
8 жыл бұрын
why are people surprised when the bigger motor makes more horsepower lol I'm surprised it doesn't make a lot more tbh
@cali2468
8 жыл бұрын
Bigger motor vs smaller one with four cams. Don't leave that part out.
@donaldweber7636
8 жыл бұрын
There are way smaller motors than the 6.2L that make much more horsepower. 2.4L F1 engines were making 700+ horsepower.
@cali2468
8 жыл бұрын
+Donald Weber And I'd be willing to bet none of them are pushrods but instead DOHC. In the case of N/A production engines.
@evilmuffen117
8 жыл бұрын
The 5.0 is a physically larger and heavier engine. The 6.2L is more compact, lighter and the Liters primary affect torque.
@cali2468
8 жыл бұрын
+evilmuffen117 I'm pretty sure the OP was speaking of displacement and not dimensions. I know the Coyote is wider but the LS3 is taller. I think the Coyote is actually lighter than the LS3, someone correct me if wrong on that. Displacement effects horsepower as well as you have more volume to move more air. In simple terms, at least. This is why BBC ultimately can make more power than SBC and LSX stuff.
@EnderAssass1
8 жыл бұрын
I'm good in the camaro yet I'm 5'8.
@freedomdance7601
4 жыл бұрын
I totaled my 16 SS and got a Cali special GT afterwards. I do miss a little torque but man the style on the mustang and the sound of the coyote when opened with a roush exhaust puts it above the camaro I had for combined experience. I can always nod if I need more power. But 435 is PLENTY! I can’t even use it all the time anyway
@phoenix6064
8 жыл бұрын
You guys keep saying torque, but you mean gearing. The GT doesn't make more low end torque. It just doesn't.
@3rdGenGuy
8 жыл бұрын
it's weird the SS LT1 needed more RPMs 2 launch. it makes more power across the entire powerband.
@chronodriver
8 жыл бұрын
it also comes down to it having more grip, different gearing and at altitude, I was surprised as well, I did try launching it lower at first, it kept bogging until I got above 5k
@3rdGenGuy
8 жыл бұрын
Paul Gerrard perhaps it was the gearing difference. the GT has a 3.66 1st the SS has a 2.77 1st both with a 3:73 rear end.
@chronodriver
8 жыл бұрын
That'll do it, good find :)
@skylarprins99
8 жыл бұрын
+Paul Gerrard the camaro has launch control, it would've have had a quicker 0-60 if you had used it
@chronodriver
8 жыл бұрын
Dang it! I couldn't find it, the launch I had was pretty decent, only think there was a 1/10 more in it but would have liked to try the LC just to compare.
@TheJr2010
7 жыл бұрын
Fanboys lol both cars are great
@johnsimpson4542
4 жыл бұрын
I rented one of each (convertibles). The Mustang was much better in terms of visibility, comfort, and utility. The Camero, however, did look a little more “bad ass” and on a track is better. Everything considered, Mustang wins. Having rented both I bought a Mustang GT convertible and have loved it. My favorite post-classic Mustang is the 2005-2009 in styling which is what I bought.
@jamesdean4992
7 жыл бұрын
surprising that they say the mustang has more low down torque. That should not be the case at all with a 6.2 liter pushrod engine vs a 5.0 dohc. The camaro should own on low down grunt while the mustang dominates the top end. I know what it is though.....the super conservative torque management gm uses on everything. An aftermarket tune with this car would blow you away in the difference it would make. I will also say you cant compare two cars on different tire's....you just cant
@376cubicinches
7 жыл бұрын
The SS Camaro is quicker And faster than the GT and the ford boys can cry about it all they want. The new SS is also quicker than the GT350 from 0 - 60 and quarter mile. Reason? Lighter weight and More Torque. Check out the real facts.
@shengyuanliu9866
8 жыл бұрын
Seriously...I will never forget your ridiculous test which compare the mustang GT to the jaguar F type R, I mean dude wtf are you doing?
@ms_april4191
8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for all the info
@keo1050
8 жыл бұрын
As usual GM needs at least 20% more displacement to beat the Ford. Some things never change!!!
@OmarDaily
8 жыл бұрын
I'm not one to complain, but.. Why haven't you guys relocated?, it is so annoying having to hear the "Remember we get terrible times you can't compare to anyone else because we live a mile above" excuse all the time.
@TFLcar
8 жыл бұрын
+OmarDaily sure thing Onar. But please you tell our wives that we're moving and we have to sell our homes and they have to quite their jobs and the kids have to go to new schools and won't see their grandparents anymore because you are tired of watching mile high videos.
@OmarDaily
8 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car Fair enough Lol Please DM me those numbers so that I can have a chat with the whole family..
@traxxasrcfun
8 жыл бұрын
are we really comparing a 6.2 v8 to a 5.0v8? that's like a whole import car of a difference.
@USA____
8 жыл бұрын
Should've used the gt350
@Tiovergudo
8 жыл бұрын
You can also say: are we really comparing a car with one cam vs one with four cams? Its really just DOHC vs OHV. Even though it has more liters the LT1 engine is physically smaller and about the same weight if not lighter. Simplicity and performance at its best.
@nth842
8 жыл бұрын
+Nick Henry who cares about litter to hp. I care about weight to hp. So I'd rather have a 6.2l that produces more power and weighs less than a 5.0 that weighs more and produces less power
@HumbertoYi0878
8 жыл бұрын
are you honestly saying the GT and SS aren't direct competitors?
@traxxasrcfun
8 жыл бұрын
+Rob Kahla no, I'm saying it's pathetic that gm has to use a 6.2 to keep up with ford's 5.0
@jeremyeliseo
5 жыл бұрын
Do these guys not know that the Camaro has launch control?
@TheBoolio
8 жыл бұрын
I'm a 5'3" woman and just bought a 2016 camaro. I have no trouble seeing out of it. There's a reason it's motor trends car of the year. I like mustangs too, but the camaro won out for me.
@ubercooper
8 жыл бұрын
Lap times arn't really comparable since one had garbage all seasons, and the other had Eagle F1 summers.
@3star2nr
8 жыл бұрын
and smaller wheels
@chrisinyaass7508
8 жыл бұрын
That's what Ford and GM sent TFL,so they just have to take whatever is handed to them ;)
@HaloToday
8 жыл бұрын
these cars came with what the factory puts on them. So it is a fair comparison as far as how you get the car from the factory. If the Mustang had new tires maybe it would have improved a bit but I appreciate it when the car I am buying has the tires that fit the car better. Why put all season tires on a sports car?
@PapaBDF
8 жыл бұрын
Agree, a more comparable test would've been ditching that pathetic California Special package and going with the GT performance pack, 255/40 and 275/40 pirelli pzero summer rubber.
@Jmalb
8 жыл бұрын
The Mustang GT PP is still slower around a track.
@isaachunt5799
7 жыл бұрын
the mustang is an utter pos..sold mine and buying another camaro..
@cwyoming7004
8 жыл бұрын
I like the Mustang looks, but love the Camaro's performance. Chevy makes the best sounding engine too. Great reviews, thanks.
@subaru4me
8 жыл бұрын
I really liked the format of this show. The apples to apples comparison with the cutting back and forth to the discussion then car time footage. Cool.
@MrKeyboardCommando
8 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't lemon to lemon be a better metaphor⁉️😐😐😐
@heavy_z7147
7 жыл бұрын
lmao when don't salty mustang fans make excuses...
@AllYouCanWatchChannel
7 жыл бұрын
Ikr, they always find excuses that the mustang is better lmao
@heavy_z7147
7 жыл бұрын
TheAllYouCan Watch Channel they're number one excuse is "spun tires"😂 even on a 50 mph roll lol
@julianmares9496
8 жыл бұрын
Mustang
@slapster2275
8 жыл бұрын
+CareerFireman fanboy's
@julianmares9496
8 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to have a 5.0 with bolt ons
@DrainPipeJoe
8 жыл бұрын
You will need $4,000 to $6,000 dollars worth of bolt on's to compete with the Camaro.
@julianmares9496
8 жыл бұрын
I don't care they are ugly
@youtheonecreep2140
8 жыл бұрын
+julian mares You are ugly
@bucketoftruthify
8 жыл бұрын
When you watch this, be ready to mentally add "...too bad they didn't have the same tires" to the end of every comment about the cars in about the last 1/3 of this video.
@kotatejaswi1034
8 жыл бұрын
No way ss takes 5.41 seconds to get to 60. Its 3.9 or 4.1
@aaronbehindbars
8 жыл бұрын
LT1? Is it 1995? Don't you mean LS3?
@NuclearGrizzly
8 жыл бұрын
Nope. GM has recycled the LT1 name and using it for the third time.
@aaronbehindbars
8 жыл бұрын
+NuclearGrizzly 10-4. I thought Roman was having a senior moment :D
@christophermelendez4395
8 жыл бұрын
The new gen chevy small blocks are now called LT1 for the NA version and LT4 for the supercharged version found in the Z06 and CTS-V.
@NuclearGrizzly
8 жыл бұрын
Aaron Fink BTW My best friend has a '70 LT1 Corvette. It's solid lifter engine that revs like mad.
@cali2468
8 жыл бұрын
+NuclearGrizzly Fwiw, the '70-72 version was LT-1 with a dash.
@lh9899
8 жыл бұрын
Put Tanner Foust in that Mustang against Paul the story will Change Tanner can out drive Paul anyday on or off track make This straight up a bias video
@TFLcar
8 жыл бұрын
+L Haslett Paul and Tanner are good friends and both completely disagree with your comment.
@cantbsdave
8 жыл бұрын
Tires make a huge difference and the Mustang GT has big time inferior tires. I have MP Super Sports with tighter suspension and it handles like a race car. 1.05 Skidpad. This video needs to have a better matchup but I enjoy The Fast Lane Car's videos.
@gangman261210
8 жыл бұрын
Love your guys videos! I appreciate your work and these videos. Thank you TFL team. God bless
@hellkitty1014
8 жыл бұрын
TFL Car- What rear gear ratio was being used in the Camaro? This is the first I'm hearing of the lack of torque. The Camaro SS is usually associated with a wave of torque.
@SpyderRios
8 жыл бұрын
If I wanted a track car I would go for the GT350. Realistically everyone who buys one will rarely take them to the track and that's why the GT Special makes sense. The Camaro is very track capable but falls short in everything else.
@OptimusX1972
8 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@fzr1000981
8 жыл бұрын
Just wait for the 1LE Camaro, which is a more far comparison. The GT350 is a $50+k car. Actually the ZL1 is closer to the price of the GT350 and will utterly demolish it
@R8RFan007
8 жыл бұрын
Wow, I didn't know stupidity was that evident in public, but you raised the bar for me to measure other folks that ride the short yellow bus. You have a nice day, watch out for your helmet hitting the door frame when the bus driver opens the door.
@SpyderRios
8 жыл бұрын
+Lorenzo Garza Take the time and state your case instead of saying random shit that is irrelevant to my post and the video itselft.
@SpyderRios
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Strong I would still choose the GT350 over the ZL1. The ZL1 is the best of a GT car and a track monster but I would still not buy one simply because I prefer the high revving, naturally aspirated nature of the GT350. When it comes to the ZL1 I think Ford is going to up their game with a Twin Turbo GT500. Either way both Ford and Chevy are making awesome cars and you can't go wrong with either one, I just happen to like Fords more.
@rearview5.018
8 жыл бұрын
Put new tires on the mustang it's way closer
@rdost1040
7 жыл бұрын
FINALLY, a fair and balanced comparison between these two bad ass cars. Today we saw which one was superior, the Chevrolet Camaro SS
@danziger69
Жыл бұрын
He burned the tires in the Camaro on launch. Then said you needed revs to launch? Worn all season tires? Still a great video...thanks guys.
@MrKeyboardCommando
8 жыл бұрын
Ye Gods, but it's a bloody bad day for Ford‼️ Their pile of junk was conclusively beaten by the GM bag of nails‼️ And, even worse than that, their pile of junk was slower than Chrysler's heap of scrap‼️ How did Ford manage to make such a slow car⁉️🤔🤔🤔
@ponygt6629
8 жыл бұрын
motherfukkers think like this Pony cars have never been all about speed
@MrKeyboardCommando
8 жыл бұрын
Ponygt 662 I completely agree that Pony cars have never been about speed‼️😝😝😝
@thebuttersword1672
8 жыл бұрын
+MrKeyboardCommando not really pony cars anymore, they have evolved into something closer to a sports car.
@dpajc056
8 жыл бұрын
no, judging from all the KZitem videos, Mustangs have been all about pulling out of the parking lot and crashing into innocent bystanders or trees.
@Fisherman99
8 жыл бұрын
+ben better Ford doesnt even come in the top ten on the most reliable vehicles... I believe Gm is like #2
@hemispace641
7 жыл бұрын
4 second difference? Doesn't sound like a fair comparison. Certainly the all-season tires was a handicap for the Mustang.
@KlipschHead281
8 жыл бұрын
California Special with beat up all weather tires against an SS with real tires and people are surprised the SS won?? You know we're spoiled when cars with 400+ pound feet of torque don't have enough torque.... good grief man, jump into a 1999 Z28 or GT and come back and talk about not enough anything. 1/4 mile times.... hello, anybody actually drag race anymore? I could care less about aiming for the damned M3, I never ever want the Mustang to compete with that, it was never meant to. Make it a brawler, period.
@BrandonSmith-dq4jd
2 жыл бұрын
You can’t see out of the car?? You do know the seat raises up. It’s very simple
@CarazyDiamond
8 жыл бұрын
Good-1 Roman, However, as there's always one, the contest would've been much closer had you chose the Mustang GT with with GT Performance Package for the 'Like-for-like' comparison. And here's what you will get: 19" X 9" (F) 19” X 9.5” (R) That Offset front/rear tire set, you were indicating... • 255/40R19 (F) 275/40R (R) Summer Only Tires • Brembo™ Six-Piston Front Brake Calipers with Larger Rotors • "Engine Turn" Aluminum Instrument Panel • Gauge Pack (Oil Pressure and Vacuum) • Heavy-Duty Front Springs • K-Brace • Larger Radiator • Spoiler Delete • Strut-tower Brace • Unique Chassis Tuning • Upsized Rear Sway Bar • Unique Stability Control, EPAS & ABS Tuning • TORSEN® Differential with 3.73 Axle Ratio
@davidhoover2446
8 жыл бұрын
I know you have to test them how they come, but a lot of fans would love to see the same tires or competing tires on each car and another hot lap episode. Tires are the first mod you should do on a car for faster track times.
@xsixinfantryx
2 жыл бұрын
that 0-60 in that camaro is kinda hard to believe. ive had a 5th gen 3.6 that has done that
@brentgath4447
8 жыл бұрын
Tires can make or break a car. Toss some summer tires on the Mustang and see how much of a difference there is.
@jasanmiguel
8 жыл бұрын
Tires indeed! A competitor channel to TFL just happened to compare a convertible mustang GT with street vs track tires and managed a 5 sec lap difference with same car....
@Laviathan50
8 жыл бұрын
About time some of note did a 6th gen. ss vs 6th gen gt video
@AKDurkee1
8 жыл бұрын
Great show, I love what you guys are doing. There's a big top gear void right now this show is headed in that direction. Love it!
@chasitynuvo1844
7 жыл бұрын
NOW BACK 2 THE BUSINESS OF THE DAY YES THESE AMERICAN CARS ARE LOVELY!
@zoolander0700
8 жыл бұрын
I love the design of the Mustang but its hard to ignore how amazing the Camaro performs
@joshmiller804
8 жыл бұрын
The camaro seems more like a performer, but the mustang is definitly more for the street, especially with that GT C/S package. If one would argue to put a mustang such as the GT350 against the ss, that wouldn't be fair. So to sum it all up, this is a fair test. Great video btw!
@llwellyn1
8 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this review indeed. Perhaps to truly validate your conclusions , you should use a fresh set of the same make/model tire on both cars. As well, a few laps to warm up the tires would be a practical test standard worth using. I'm pretty sure the Chevy would still win but it would make for a more informed comparison.
@annav6481
8 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison. Looking forward to when you guys will be able to pit the Focus ST against the Civic Si (manuals). Another iconic battle between volume sellers.
@mitchconnor1263
8 жыл бұрын
TFLC has evolved/matured a lot. I like this video
@ftffighter
8 жыл бұрын
I know you guys got the best comparison that you tried to get but damn...those tires. I'm a Mustang loyalist but even I have to know when I'm beat, tires aside, that camaro is faster around a track. Fellow Ford fans, this is a good thing the Camaro beat the Mustang here...its competition. Very healthy! It just means that the Mustang will get better and beat the Camaro again another day. The pendulum swings back and forth again.
@daringdevil101
8 жыл бұрын
The packages in this video aren't focused for the track, Roman said himself "these are what most people would/are buying for a daily". The mustang did better on regular roads as they said. You guys (TFL) should definitely test the track focused performance mustang & Camaro!
@zeljkodejanovic578
8 жыл бұрын
How did you park the Camaro in the garage?
@mattg7271
8 жыл бұрын
Interesting you recommended the mustang for tall drivers. I'm 6'5" and had a Camaro and found it very roomy.
@hagbard72
8 жыл бұрын
You guys should track the V6 Mustang and see if it actually gets a better track time. I'm thinking it would.
@kazoo3434
8 жыл бұрын
Being a Mustang owner (2000 V6 convertible), I have my bias, but I'd still pick the Mustang for a few reasons. Like they said, the Camaro is not for very tall or short people. Having driven a 2014 Camaro SS, I was always having to prop myself up a bit because you're seated very low in an already low car with not a lot of viewing area. Secondly, I'd prefer the prestige and the nameplate of having a Mustang. The Camaro is very quick and very fun, but it's not as noticeable nor as desired as the Mustang is. Third, The Mustang has a larger aftermarket across the board from the I4 EcoBoost, to the V6, to the 5.0, to the Boss 302. Finally, the new Camaro just... looks bad. I thought the last generation was too edgy, but now it looks too modest and it sports wheels that just don't look like they belong. I'm still out to lunch overall, but I'm leaning more towards the Mustang...
@Strayer007
8 жыл бұрын
Mustang has more torque than the Camaro? Every stock for stock dyno I've seen shows the exact opposite. The Mustangs gearing is shorter to compensate for its lack of low rpm torque even without the optional 3.73 rear from the track pack. I think your commentary is quite a ways off there.
@stringsattached67
2 жыл бұрын
Great video but those 0-60 pull's are way off I'm getting near the 4sec advertised 0 to 60 in my 2SS with the 8 speed.
@medellon
8 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video guys, Hot or Not is becoming my favorite segment.
@lanceripplinger8352
8 жыл бұрын
Let the fanboy flame wars begin! I see the fanboy trolls in the comments here. It is like they just can't help themselves. Saying one car is better over the other is like comparing apples to oranges. Both cars are clearly different, and target different customers. Just because they are in a "similar price bracket", doesn't make them apples to apples. Part of the charm is that they both have different handling characteristics and thus "personality." If they were both the same, what the hell would be the point of either one of them?
@raf8474
8 жыл бұрын
8:10 casually passing a parked hellcat haha
@mrfrankdangelo1
8 жыл бұрын
The Mustang is the real horse here! Long live the Stang!
@06364ss
8 жыл бұрын
You should've utilized the driver mode selector in the Camaro. It goes from a floating 1977 Cadillac Coupe DeVille to a Z06 Firm Suspension in half a second.
@ahmad1080p
8 жыл бұрын
I just love both, Camaro would always be my choice
@ike780
7 жыл бұрын
the first 5 times i saw that model camaro when it came out i thought it was a mustang with a body kit. i actually said to myself thats a nice mustang...wait.
@isaachunt5799
3 жыл бұрын
those s550 mustangs are colossal pos cars in every way. just bought a 2017 2ss camaro and boy what a car. love this car with a passion. one of my happiest days in my life selling my junk s550 mustang
@riftyfx
6 жыл бұрын
The reason why the Camaro has less visibility is because Chevy camaro people wouldn’t crash into crowds it’s sad for mustang people
@50ccAdventure
8 жыл бұрын
This feels like the start of the next top gear
@mr.c493
8 жыл бұрын
In my book they are both beautiful and awesome looking machines!!! On the other hand, that garage, WOW, amazing!
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