It would be nice to see the effects of rust/corrosion on crash performance.
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
I guess airbags still reliably deploy after 15 years? I'd want to know that too. Same with crash sensors and the like.
@SheriffJackCarter
Жыл бұрын
I have a 2004 Mercury Monterey that spent 19 years in Michigan. If IIHS wants to give me a new Carolla, I'll give them this one in exchange.
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
@@SheriffJackCarter correction: you have what’s left of the Monterey. I’d imagine after 19 years in Michigan, quite a bit of that car has returned to nature, 😂
@SheriffJackCarter
Жыл бұрын
@@superspeeder Well, it's still my daily driver. Sure, the rocker panels, some of the rear fenders and the bottoms of the sliding doors are gone, but also, when they tried to pick the car up with a rotary lift to change the oil, it only crumbled a little before they aborted that attempt and put it on a roll-on rack.
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
@@SheriffJackCarter healthy as a horse! Probably has another ten years in’er! 😁
@crashcore_cc
Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how much crash compatibility has improved over the years. A decade or two ago, this would have been a very different ending for the smaller car. The growing weight disparity between EVs and non-EVs will be a huge challenge going forward though.
@serenan920
Жыл бұрын
Yes, work done early 02 in EU. Now, used by all manufacturers
@andrewahern3730
Жыл бұрын
EV/nonEV weight disparity is a non-issue and so comically irrelevant, you’d have to assume it’s yet another hollow anti-EV “talking” point. It’s pretty obvious that the weight disparities we need to worry about is the cancer of trucks and SUVs everywhere.
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
5 ай бұрын
@@andrewahern3730Not really, why do you say that? An EV weighs around 25-30% more. It makes a big difference, I agree on SUV's that BS needs taxing out of our towns and cities ASAP
@matthewalexis
Жыл бұрын
The forte's structure held up pretty well
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
Can't say the same for the crash dummy 😭
@adl6907
11 ай бұрын
* At 40 mph🤔
@surajrs4
Жыл бұрын
Slow day at the IIHS office: Might as well crash a couple kias from the parking lot
@Xyto77
Жыл бұрын
I love to think that’s what actually happened
@ministig63ace
Жыл бұрын
IIHS lore
@Xyto77
Жыл бұрын
@@ministig63ace yes
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of which, what people are driving in the IIHS parking lot probably tell you more than just the TSP+ ratings
@mdr7517
Жыл бұрын
Tapping private institutions is serious crime my friend
@AgentSmith911
Жыл бұрын
Now imagine an F-150 pickup truck, the most popular personal vehicle in the US, versus a smaller car such as the Toyota Corolla...
@aliendroneservices6621
Жыл бұрын
Such a crash happened locally here. Corolla driver deceased. F150 driver uninjured.
@AgentSmith911
Жыл бұрын
@@aliendroneservices6621 Not surprised 😕
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
Haha, that would never happen, the Corolla is only ....another one of the most popular cars in America....oh...
@akj2387
Жыл бұрын
What? Corolla is the same size as the Forte
@J7Haip
Жыл бұрын
@@akj2387 a bit smaller but ye similar
@titan9259
Жыл бұрын
Some driver info: Sorento (low risk of serious injury): Vector resultant acceleration (g) - 58 Vector resultant acceleration - 3 ms clip (g) - 56 Head Injury Criterion (HIC) - 399 Head Injury Criterion - 15 ms interval (HIC-15) - 275 Forte (high risk of serious head injuries): Vector resultant acceleration (g) - 105 Vector resultant acceleration - 3 ms clip (g) - 99 Head Injury Criterion (HIC) - 1506 Head Injury Criterion - 15 ms interval (HIC-15) - 1247
@MrManolom
11 ай бұрын
And Driver info about Yaris vs Sorento at 40mph???
@ConservativeCoinCollector
Жыл бұрын
20 years ago, that crash would have been deadly for the smaller vehicle. It's crazy how much safety has improved.
@Connor-xe6fl
Жыл бұрын
The advancement in safety over the years is truly extraordinary.
@matthewmooney4301
Жыл бұрын
This demonstrates that even though vehicles are much safer than they used to, the laws of physics haven’t changed.
@alifms2730
Жыл бұрын
My assumption (if this was a real crash): • Kia Sorento driver survived with minor injuries • Kia Forte driver survived but seriously injured
@NissanQuestGuy96yt
6 ай бұрын
0:05 They Kissed!
@superseries7007
Жыл бұрын
Now this is a real life crash scenario. Finally. Would love to see Toyota Tundra vs Ford F150... Let's go.
@6770connor
Жыл бұрын
More tests like this please @iihs!
@CrestedSaguaro520
Жыл бұрын
0:22 What I immediately noticed was how the back left tire "recoiled" and almost came off the rim. 😮
@legioner9
Жыл бұрын
I want to see a similar test with each car going 55 mph. 😊
@kodywilcox
Жыл бұрын
Death. You dabs see death.
@lilmonix
Жыл бұрын
I have made provisional ratings for the two vehicles based on my crashworthiness research "experience". 2016 Kia Sorento Overall evaluation: G Structure and safety cage: G Head/neck: G (HIC-15: 275) Chest: G Leg/foot, left: G Leg/foot, right: A Driver restraints and dummy kinematics: G 2018 Kia Forte Overall evaluation: P Structure and safety cage: A Head/neck: P (HIC-15: 1247) Chest: M Leg/foot, left: A Leg/foot, right: M Driver restraints and dummy kinematics: G June 14, 2023 2:09AM
@justin6581
Жыл бұрын
I think that the 2018 Forte rated for dummy kinetics would be Acceptable because the dummy bottomed out the airbag
@titan9259
5 ай бұрын
@@justin6581 Not usually
@Phantomaviation
Жыл бұрын
*5 years later*
@hanks-dances-stuff
23 сағат бұрын
The sorento is my dad’s car. He almost got in a wreck and now has PTSD from it.
@sgtdan707
Жыл бұрын
I would presume the forte driver would live reliably, but there would consistently be serious non life-threatening injuries.
@LivingTheDream77
Жыл бұрын
He will be brain dead. His HIC score is over 1000 in the data sheet.
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingTheDream77 rip Mr. Crashtest dummy. Ooo now do it 5 mph faster
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
No you see the dummy's head slide past the airbags due to the force and slam into the A pillar. He dead (or brain dead)
@whattheheck1000
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingTheDream77 A HIC of over 1,000 means serious injury, not fatality. The HIC-15 here was 1,247 (HIC 1,506), which is very high but not quite high enough that fatality would be likely. HIC-15 is calculated over a 15-millisecond interval corresponding to the most severe head loading while HIC is calculated over an interval that can be as much as 36 milliseconds, that's why the difference. The rule of thumb is that fatality becomes likely at about double the Injury Assessment Reference Value (IARV), which is where serious injury is judged to be likely. The HIC-15's IARV is 700 and the HIC's IARV is 1,000; therefore, it would take a HIC-15 of at least 1,400 or a HIC of at least 2,000 for fatality to be likely. That being said, fatality, or "brain dead" as you put it, is still possible between the IARV and double-IARV, so particularly frail or unlucky occupants could still be killed. June 14, 2023 3:12 am
@LivingTheDream77
Жыл бұрын
@@whattheheck1000 i didn’t say dead. I said brain dead. Vegetative state.
@Klimov12
Жыл бұрын
It's a good thing they did a crash test. But where can I see the results of the test?
@matthewmooney4301
Жыл бұрын
When will you do the Moderate Overlap 2.0 for midsize cars?
@dr.gamester
Жыл бұрын
I love watching these
@user-op7vy5ny4r
Жыл бұрын
much better than yaris into avalon
@xxk4rilsxx
6 ай бұрын
Nobody is driving 40mph. Everyone is doing 55-59 on a 45mph limit and 85-93 on a 65MPH limit. All cars aren’t safe.
@MartinVich
Жыл бұрын
Weight matters.
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
Regulators usually like to avoid talking about this too much but it's a huge factor. A small sedan might hold up well in a crash test of itself against a wall, it's not doing so hot getting hit by a 6000 lb SUV. The new side crash test with a heavier barrier starts to get at this, but even then it's not that heavy and not that fast.
@MartinVich
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperMrgentleman It is still very good that your regulators are doing something. In Europe NCAP is not interested to improve passive safety. They are focused too much on crash avoidance software... Luckily EV cars brings better safety for front passengers as battery body in the floor needs to be protected.
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
@@MartinVich Many of these electric cars are also adding 1000+ lbs low on the vehicle, which will add a good amount of heft with a low center of gravity to improve crash performance and reduce rollover risk. Even the hybrid/PHEV versions can add 500-700lbs
@LivingTheDream77
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperMrgentleman but now you have to go against 10k lbs hummer EVs, which means nothing has changed overall.
@landenwoodford4445
Жыл бұрын
This is my dream job to do
@vectr0nmusic
Жыл бұрын
I want to drive the smaller car
@DaOneEnOnly
Жыл бұрын
I would enjoy seeing a Vivian or any bev suv run into the rear end of a stationary car.
@Trinny1751
Жыл бұрын
Why dont they post earlier? They recorded ghis vid since 2017
@theclueguy3388
Жыл бұрын
They both seemed to do well
@LivingTheDream77
Жыл бұрын
Small car did terrible. Extremely high HIC score.
@tedubadu2536
Жыл бұрын
Ah, see that’s where you’re wrong.
@SuperMrgentleman
Жыл бұрын
He dead in the small car, he don't move no more
@tedubadu2536
Жыл бұрын
Why didn’t we see the Forte interior view?
@LivingTheDream77
Жыл бұрын
We did. Its the last view.
@fugudacat
Жыл бұрын
Now do the exact crash test with Capa certified parts!
@scottymoondogjakubin4766
Жыл бұрын
Is that 20 mph each or 40 mph for a combined 80 mph impact ?
@iihs-hldi
Жыл бұрын
40 mph each
@scottymoondogjakubin4766
Жыл бұрын
@@iihs-hldi thats incredible !
@user-cs9if4bq1v
8 ай бұрын
Kia Sorentos Headlight has left the Chat 😂
@SheriffJackCarter
Жыл бұрын
Factory stock car vs. factory stock car is fine, but honestly, it's far from the only kind of danger on the road. How about a Chevy Malibu Vs. a Ford F-250 modified with a lift kit and wheel spacers. We got a lot of those driving around and they drive like nothing can hurt them. If you start doing crash tests with modified/lifted trucks, maybe the government will reclassify them so they aren't considered agricultural vehicles which has no restrictions on bumper height. Car vs. jacked-up truck with the bumper at the height of the cars windscreen.
@aliendroneservices6621
Жыл бұрын
Or restrict the speeds of all "agricultural vehicles" to 17 mph.
@user-op7vy5ny4r
Жыл бұрын
jacked up trucks should end up crashing to a semi.
@Doc1855
Жыл бұрын
And another ones gone and another ones gone, another one bites the dust, hey hey…
@darrencurry4429
Жыл бұрын
Would be more interesting if they were more evenly priced. The Forte and Sorento were about 10k different when new. Is this really a comparison of size or are you comparing an economy car to a low-to-mid range car. Do the same test in something that is more similarly priced. Adjusted for inflation the BMW 2 series is $5k more than the Sorento and is roughly the same dimensions as the Forte.
@iihs-hldi
Жыл бұрын
Actually, the point of this test was that these vehicles (used Sorento vs new Forte) were similarly priced. This was one of two tests run to promote a list of recommended used cars for teens.
@darrencurry4429
Жыл бұрын
I looked up the MSRP for the base models of each when new. Not the used market value of one vs the new market value of the other. The test makes sense for the given what your saying in the comment, but you can always make a case for buying used provides better value. My comment is regarding the videos description. It implies that based on size and weight the SUV is better. But you’re comparing cars that have vastly different new prices. If you wanted to show SUVs are better it would be more accurate to compare ones that are of a similar price point. I wouldn’t say “always” but in general price determines crash worthiness of the car. The context of the test was changed without mentioning the original context. The new context’s conclusion is invalid.
@LexLExistor
5 ай бұрын
need to start banning/taxing the hell out of heavy vehicles. there's shit box suvs weighing 4000, 5000 and even 6000 pounds these days for fucks sakes.
@yarrrthekraken
Жыл бұрын
lol that headlight said "I'm out"
@zzoinks
Жыл бұрын
Honestly a 928lb weight difference isn't even that big sounding to me.
@burakg.7494
Жыл бұрын
What are ranks? Results?
@ianclaudio777
11 ай бұрын
Kia forte is strong
@windmorgen3083
Жыл бұрын
OMKIA~!
@rwankramershorts4732
11 ай бұрын
real
@fedorgranovski444
11 ай бұрын
idk who won
@mariqexendriqse4156
9 ай бұрын
Israel y Mireya
@MBisFrenchy
Жыл бұрын
Where's the new 2023 Nissan Versa? That's the cheapest car available. I really feel it should be tested by IIHS.
@demarcorosas3850
Жыл бұрын
It's just the basic laws of physics.
@tristanrabier8608
Жыл бұрын
Can you test others cars Peugeot, renault, citroen ford please 🙏👍
@showoe3126
Жыл бұрын
they have done fords, but the IIHS is US based and only tests USDM cars
@tristanrabier8608
Жыл бұрын
@@showoe3126 OK thanks
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
Time to ban SUVs, they’re putting people at risk, lol
@aliendroneservices6621
Жыл бұрын
Simply require a commercial license to operate any vehicle with a GVWR over 6,000 lbs. That would be *_all_* body-on-frame SUVs, and a few 3-row crossovers.
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
@@aliendroneservices6621 drop that to 5000 lbs. Nobody needs a 5500 lb pickup, they need a sub-5000 lb short cab work truck or a minivan. It would also cap the ridiculous mass of EVs, which is probably the biggest hurdle to lowering the non-commercial GVWR cap. 😉
@aliendroneservices6621
Жыл бұрын
@@superspeeder 6,001 - 10,000 lbs GVWR is an existing vehicle class (Class 2). Creating new vehicle classes is a non-starter. GVWR is not curb weight. All work trucks and minivans have GVWRs over 5,000 lbs.
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
@@aliendroneservices6621 right, got curb weight and GVWR mixed up. Either way, it's not going to happen but would be a good move in the right direction for people who have no use for a pickup. Can you imagine the backlash though? LOL
@titan9259
Жыл бұрын
You might also wanna ban older cars...
@TheCarHornMaster
Жыл бұрын
These cars are junk
@yoshi64632
Жыл бұрын
i had a feeling you were going to comment this
@TheCarHornMaster
Жыл бұрын
@@yoshi64632 Maybe lol, this era of KIAs suck imo.
@yoshi64632
Жыл бұрын
@@TheCarHornMaster kind of agree
@David-Ramirez451
11 ай бұрын
;)
@vahagbuniatyan7998
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm… I don’t Lilit Kia
@povertyspec9651
Жыл бұрын
All Kias should be crashed into another Kia.
@Reddot_AUTO
Жыл бұрын
과학 3호기 나름 선방했네
@serenan920
Жыл бұрын
Stoopid test. Different cars, weight. Yes, corroded Asian cars are a problem. Lexus and all of them suffer from. Should make more cars here
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