The engineer at Toyota said point blank in an interview on TFL youtube channel, the partnership allowed Toyota to keep the price at $50k . So without BMW, Toyota would have to charge people close to 100k and take another 3-5 years. It's a win/win for Toyota and BMW. TOYOTA knows how to sell car and make cars. Toyota is pathological about reliability and simplicity. They spent countless of months abusing and refining the Supra and making sure the parts from BMW were up to Toyota Standards of reliability. You're getting 3 years of bumper to bumper quarrenty and you can extend it another 3 years. 6 YEARS OF FULL COVERAGE ON A CAR THAT DOES 0-60 IN 4 SECONDS FOR 50K!! this is CHEAPER THAN WHEN THE SUPRA FIRST LAUNCHED IN THE 90'S AND IT'S NOT MORE POWER. They learned from Honda's mistake when they were remaking the NSX. They took several years in engineering and spent hundreds of millions, only to re-scrap and start over. With the Finnish product now currently costing close to $150k. No one is buying it. No matter how many great reviews it gets. Toyota gets it! The sweat spot that will make this car desirable is a low price tag, tune ability and readability.
@deuce9star
5 жыл бұрын
☝️Someone with brains in the comment section 👏👏
@aky19832001
5 жыл бұрын
@@deuce9star Thank you!
@aky19832001
5 жыл бұрын
@humble harambe My buddy has the Mk 5, so you're 100% correct, I was talking from experience from his ownership.
@jeromebrown5744
5 жыл бұрын
It's a BMW. It will tank in value in 3 years.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@deuce9star where?
@princenissan9121
5 жыл бұрын
Normally dont comment but this was a really good review, unbiased mostly and lots of smaller details. Good job
@syedlink27
5 жыл бұрын
Toyota nailed it. Kudos Gazoo Racing! The fact that a loaded RAV4 can cost $40k... Toyota gave us an inline 6, turbo RWD, GT sports car, with a premium luxury interior, and sexy body lines and looks for under $50k... Toyota is going to sell lots of these. Thank you for making this supra less expensive than its predecessor- and to think.. the old supra was $50k+ in 1990s money!
@jthor8373
5 жыл бұрын
The look is starting to grow on me.
@ogjk
5 жыл бұрын
Embargo must have just lifted just saw a bunch of these pop up on my feed.
@ForTehNguyen
5 жыл бұрын
i got spammed with about 15 videos at the same time
@PremierAutoMan86
5 жыл бұрын
I said the same thing haha, every car reviewer on KZitem dropped a video today
@CalvinHikes
5 жыл бұрын
Embargos stink because you get nothing... then every review on the car all at once. I find it a bit annoying.
@EdgarRenje
5 жыл бұрын
That's always the case with new cars or tech stuff...
@Powaup
5 жыл бұрын
wtf this review is excellent, so thorough, I'm subbing
@elementarytechie6449
4 жыл бұрын
Powaup welcome to the family
@javierduran1390
5 жыл бұрын
I love Alex! Finally someone who reviews the new supra as it stands, as it is. Not as it could have been or Bashing with comparison against the old supra. Bravo Alex!!
@A2dy
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Honda could bring back some form of an S2000 replacement!
@StrikeFromTheSkies
5 жыл бұрын
They already brought back some form of an NSX replacement
@TassieLorenzo
5 жыл бұрын
I think Honda would be better off making a mid-engined baby NSX, since they could use existing Civic Type R engine and transaxle (or the old 3.7L V6 & Honda Accord manual transaxle -- even better!) -- Honda showed the Sports Vision concept, but it is not for production, sadly.
@jedix123
5 жыл бұрын
I typically watch videos on 1.25x but not with Alex. Info packed!
@jzk2020
5 жыл бұрын
Amateur. I always watch things on 2x.
@virsensingh7066
5 жыл бұрын
Only Alex can pack this much info into a review! Excellent, as usual! 👌🏼
@moze.
5 жыл бұрын
HERE COMES THE SUPRA NOTIFICATIONS, BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES
@itmustbelove08
5 жыл бұрын
It’s batten down not batter down the hatches.
@moze.
5 жыл бұрын
@@itmustbelove08 thanks, I'm stupid lol
@mcalebeb
5 жыл бұрын
Base model Corvette/Supra track battle 🤔 6k difference now that’s interesting
@99-Zulu
5 жыл бұрын
This is what I foresee happening. The Corvette will probably be faster around the track but the Supra will be the more fun car to drive. That's my prediction. The more I see the Supra the more I like the exterior design more so over the Corvettes. But from what I've seen I prefer the Corvettes interior. Just my opinions on this comparison.
@horuslupercal3872
5 жыл бұрын
Inb4 c8 comes out and it only costs a little more
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
@@99-Zulu Three years later, the Corvette will be falling apart if wheel quality flaws have not wrecked it.
@tommynobaka
5 жыл бұрын
Corvette is faster, Supra is more fun to drive/balanced as in it's playful but safe whereass the vette steps out and you actually might die
@ciello___8307
5 жыл бұрын
@@horuslupercal3872 idk with the midengine and fancier interior I think it might be pricier.
@mikemorales1725
5 жыл бұрын
I suppose the BMW engineers skipped the quality control meetings?
@afa6361
5 жыл бұрын
The engine was made with Toyota specification and quality control. Toyota rejected several revisions of the engine BMW made because it didn't meet Toyota's quality control standard.
@Mexieman11
5 жыл бұрын
Peder Hansen this is very wrong
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
@Peder Hansen True! Toyota subjected it to their testing and inspection regimen and signed off gladly.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
@Peder Hansen Bingo! We have a winner!
@DoctorSkillz
5 жыл бұрын
@Peder Hansen He's a liar and a thief.
@econ0611
5 жыл бұрын
You have to compare it to the M2!!
@biz4twobiz463
5 жыл бұрын
econ0611 ... Yes!! I agree the M2 would be a great competitor!! IMHO, M2 all day long!😋😊
@kolyan1980
5 жыл бұрын
Rev up your Toyota!! Oh wait..
@pow1983
5 жыл бұрын
rofl
@afa6361
5 жыл бұрын
You need to mention that even though the engine was made by BMW, it was made to Toyota specificaiton and quality control standard. Toyota rejected several revisions of the engine BMW made because it didn't meet Toyota's quality control standard.
@AAutoBuyersGuide
5 жыл бұрын
There really isn’t much justification to this. The Toyota engineers simply said they selected the engine used because it met the performance criteria. It is unlikely to be any different than the same engine in other models
@Techjunkiero
5 жыл бұрын
Lies.
@neubauerjoseph
5 жыл бұрын
Time will tell if it has the classic Toyota durability or not. Bmw not a bad car but parts just don’t last like other brands.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@AdamRosenberg90 NO! This is a BMW engine - Toyota had nothing to do with developing it and they could not change anything but the tune. They detuned it for "reliability".
@BrogeKilrain
5 жыл бұрын
They both beat Porsche by having 2 more cylinders 😆😆 a win win in my book and $20k less to boot
@BigHeadClan
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah dropping 2 cylinders was a big miss step for Porsche.
@apt62
5 жыл бұрын
Only Porsche worth buying now is gt3 and gt3 rs. But most of us don’t hv 200k.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
@@BigHeadClan Well, it certainly was not a Mrs. Step.
@BigHeadClan
5 жыл бұрын
@@maxnix346 That was terrible... I loved it.
@johnnyjohnson8928
5 жыл бұрын
Max Nix yes, it was a Ms. Step
@Fly2kill1
5 жыл бұрын
The BMW part don’t bother me at all. It’s the fake vents that bother me.
@scottyh1509
5 жыл бұрын
The vents are not fake. Reviewers keep saying that and they're wrong, the vents setup was explained to them by Toyota and they still mislead their viewers.
@Fly2kill1
5 жыл бұрын
Scotty H they are totally fake. There is nothing behind them. To make them function you will have to cut the body up.
@Mangofresh2012
5 жыл бұрын
The design of this car looks like it should’ve been released in 2009
@dsugioaga
5 жыл бұрын
I have no problems with joint ventures like this in general, but it IS a shame that they chose to use the legendary Supra name for this. A heritage/halo model like the Supra should have been developed completely in-house... but, oh well, it's all about the money, after all. Let's just hope that BMW improved on their reliability... Edit: Oh, god that shifter.. one of those yucky digital BMW-type ones... plus, no manual? Yeah, this car is a missed opportunity...
@naveenkrishnamurthy7576
4 жыл бұрын
I think the Supra should be based off the Lexus RC F. But change the engine to the new twin turbo v6 from the LS
@LifeISMagix
5 жыл бұрын
This car with BMW parts makes no sense. I can totally buy an almost new RCF with a V8 (not F Sport) for the same money or less. That’s a Lexus, the car looks equally good and gives you back seats and more space. If anything, this is a 3 year lease car for a single male. RCF over this any day. I am sure this is a fun car.... but no thanks
@rightlanehog3151
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@rayhayduk3668
5 жыл бұрын
Should have used the RCF engine. Who cares if it’s not a inline 6. Can’t believe it would do much to the weight distribution either.
@itsm3th3b33
5 жыл бұрын
Alex made it sound like Toyota and BMW jointly developed both cars from scratch. BMW came in with the entire engine, the transmission and most of the computer control modules, including the iDrive. Toyota designed their Supra body panels. Make no mistake, this is a BMW wearing Toyota clothing.
@DatDude7802
5 жыл бұрын
So
@krisnadiimam4556
5 жыл бұрын
much prefer the other way around
@itsm3th3b33
5 жыл бұрын
@@DatDude7802 You're gonna get BMW reliability. If you're used to the famous Toyota "change the oil and forget about it" maintenance schedule, it will be an eye opener for you.
@M1911jln
5 жыл бұрын
Yup. And that Toyota-designed body is simply hideous.
@deuce9star
5 жыл бұрын
@@M1911jln WTF is wrong with your eyes? Hideous?? No way! You sound like a hater because this car will turn heads once it's out on the roads.
@LessTalkMoreDelicious
5 жыл бұрын
I love it. Wish I could afford it.
@kempowarrior
5 жыл бұрын
That was a really great review Alex and keep up the good work bro : )
@thegoodguysteve
5 жыл бұрын
I believe porsche has said the manual take rate for the 718 and 911 was 50%... so people are buying manual sports cars
@Jesusprayerwarriorbw
5 жыл бұрын
It's more a 75-80% auto
@InvestBetter.
5 жыл бұрын
Can Toyota + BMW = Supra? The answer is no.
@rightlanehog3151
5 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@rightlanehog3151 NO!
@rightlanehog3151
5 жыл бұрын
@@doctorlarry2273 My Yes indicated that I agreed with No.
@shahedhasnat
5 жыл бұрын
Other than the Toyota logo, everything - the engine, dash, infotainment, lock buttons, controls even the battery is BMW.
@ForTehNguyen
5 жыл бұрын
gonna have BMW owners shopping at the toyota dealer for cheaper parts now rofl Unfortunately this is going to be the most unreliable Toyota ever :(
@jctai100
5 жыл бұрын
@@ForTehNguyen That a fact? BMW inline-6 engines (this one particularly) have been pretty solid for the past 2 decades
@tinhinnh
5 жыл бұрын
Shahed Hasnat thank u capt obvious
@tommynobaka
5 жыл бұрын
Tell the chassis that, I guarantee you see the 86 with Subaru stamping, but tell me an STI drives like an 86
@krisnadiimam4556
5 жыл бұрын
thats where my worries begin... i would hate this thing once its out of warranty.
@clairekennedy8767
5 жыл бұрын
I think people dislike the reliability issues with BMW. people loved their Toyota because they’re still running and could mod the cars. These cars will be hard and expensive to get parts.
@sakura608
5 жыл бұрын
Toyota inspected the engine bolt by bolt with their own engineers and made notes for improvements until the engine met their standards. It's a BMW engine with Toyota standards. It should be pretty reliable. But yes, parts will be expensive.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@sakura608 It is a BMW 99%. It WILL be unreliable.
@clairekennedy8767
4 жыл бұрын
Josh Khup get off my comment.
@Tirah5
5 жыл бұрын
First time in Toyota's history the wheel wells from factory are properly filled with right size tires. Once again, thanks to BMW.
@paulpellico3797
5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, Alex! 10/10 for front seats that make you look like your sitting in the rear with how poor your vision is. Your head disappears as you sit back in the seat. And where is my convertible! Heck, for this money I would just look at the new Z4
@realbeetlejuice
5 жыл бұрын
Alex, just so you know, I watch your review FIRST out of all the top youtube car reviewers. You give us ALL the details and facts.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
The Fast Lane was out first and featured the Toyota chief engineer with some very interesting commentary.
@audaciousifti
5 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the BMW design components too much, my only concerns are: 1. Reliability: Toyota is one of the most, if not *the* most, reliable car brand in the world. BMW? Not so much. 2. Why did they veer away from the FT-1 Concept? It looked really cool.
@s50201
5 жыл бұрын
There's another vid out on YT about this, but Toyota engineers subjected the BMW engine to their rigorous endurance and reliability testing & design revisions. I wouldn't be worried about reliability at all. A reliable BMW? Hell yes.
@itmustbelove08
5 жыл бұрын
No concept has translated exactly to production and you can honestly see a lot of resemblance. He addressed the proportions but most of the details save for the interior and the bottom bump that has been replaced with an inlet. I would compare them again. Topspeed.com has a comparison and you’ll see they look fairly similar.
@anthonycbrown1952
5 жыл бұрын
Have owned several BMW family products and had no reliability issues. BMW had a problem with fuel pumps but that has to do with the supplier of the part. Toyota reliability in 2018/2019? Google Camry/ Highlander 8 spd transmission problems.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
Like he said, concept was too wide for the BMW designed chassis.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonycbrown1952 ZF 8HP is one of the best if not the best AT in the world, currently.
@bassandtrebleclef
5 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't trust any BMW engine/cooling system/ wiring harness/heater core if you're at all thinking you'll own a car for longer than a warranty period. If you lease this, you're fine, but I would never again own/lease a BMW engineered product without a warranty. Just not worth the trouble.
@zready20
5 жыл бұрын
bassandtrebleclef 💯
@DoctorSkillz
5 жыл бұрын
I contacted several high volume Toyota dealerships. They are anticipating a market adjustment of at least $8,000.
@danbernstein4694
5 жыл бұрын
The streering wheel and all the controls are exactly the same as my 2016 bmw 320i!
@Day7Reset
5 жыл бұрын
How has your bimmer held up? I know it’s a different engine, but have all the electronics been good, bad, or minimal hiccups? Should be a good indicator of expectations for the Supra.
@danbernstein4694
5 жыл бұрын
@@Day7Reset after owning another BMW and 3 Mercedes, all of which, to be honest, were money pits, after 2 and a half years, I have not had a single problem. However, I deliberately got the base model no navigation or fancy electronics- less to go wrong.
@Day7Reset
5 жыл бұрын
Dan Bernstein glad your current car is working out so far. Really hope the Supra does the same. Though it seems this car comes in loaded with gizmos even in base trim. Maybe Toyota could use BMW’s 2.0T in a lower cost version. Lower cost and less gizmos and more fun for the tuner crowd to work with.
@mrcn119t6
5 жыл бұрын
The definitive review.
@accord03
5 жыл бұрын
I hope the BMW parts aren’t gonna destroy the Toyota reliability
@rightlanehog3151
5 жыл бұрын
They will.
@14981fc
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, they absolutely will
@stoptellingmewhattowrite
5 жыл бұрын
3-4 years max and then you gotta unload it on some sucker that will be fixing it
@naveenthemachine
4 жыл бұрын
If Toyota texted the Supra through Quality control they wouldn’t pass it because the engine is turbo lol. Toyota is against forced induction.
@schunkelperser1794
5 жыл бұрын
As soon as the Stickshifter comes, this car is worth buying.
@caedom21
5 жыл бұрын
I'm going to wait a few years until a "Supra" TRD PRO model comes out. I really want it with a snorkel... i mean desert air intake.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
Working instead of fake vents and scoops would be nice.
@markg1531
5 жыл бұрын
I have an M240i xDrive 8spd. I wonder how the Supra compares. It looks more exciting to me, but I do love the awd in my BMW, and its greater practicality. And of course, my BMW's limits far exceed mine as a driver.
@Jaymac720
5 жыл бұрын
It’s like the Acura NSX: it’s fantastic but the name just doesn’t apply. The new NSX was so hyped for so long but just wasn’t the same idea as the original. This is in the same boat. It’s just not like the original Supra
@cocoyc495
5 жыл бұрын
Is this going to be the first toyota that will need a new cooling system by 50K-60K miles?
@stuartnaulty6821
5 жыл бұрын
Why did you ignore the corvette in your comparison?
@_cam-
5 жыл бұрын
What Toyota needs to do (or no all car manufacturers need to do) is come back with their older cars
@user-go2cv8fs6f
5 жыл бұрын
Cameron White emissions make that impossible.
@_cam-
5 жыл бұрын
Well that freaking sucks
@ast5515
5 жыл бұрын
It's a perfectly awesome car. Just not sure it's a Supra. I still like it though.
@gt0703
5 жыл бұрын
I double checked the badge and can confirm this is indeed a Supra! Sure its not a GT anymore but it's the new type of Supra. Looks like it's way better than what many mk4 owners originally believed it would be.
@M1911jln
5 жыл бұрын
@@gt0703 It's not a Supra. It is a Z4 with a roof, a Supra badge, and a whole lot of ugly ladled on top.
@godofdestructiondiecast6756
5 жыл бұрын
it has the Supra name and marketed as a Supra but underneath mechanically it is not a Toyota Supra because Toyota did not built the engine transmission differential what suspension is BMW even the interior is BMW the only thing up here is Toyota is the badges so basically it's a BMW Supra
@kurzhaarsilva
5 жыл бұрын
@humble harambe i give millions of fucks if it's a true toyota or not. No reasons to buy it if it's a bmw. If you are not a toyota fan keep it to yourself. We can decide for ourselves what to think of this car. What do you even care if you are a bmw troll? It's a toyota problem. If we wanted or liked bmws we would drive them but we don't for a reason.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@humble harambe I would buy this car - if it were a Toyota. All parts are from the BMW parts bin. Look at any labeled part in the car (outside the badging) and it says BMW. Period. This car will have the proven (un)reliability of the BMW engines - iincluding this B58. You are the troll - how many Supras have you owned?? My tastefully modded 1994 MKIV turbo will eat this for lunch and will continue to be more reliable over the next few years - even given it's age.
@DanGuida
5 жыл бұрын
Do consumers really have a problem "defining the driver and passenger zones" that BMW/Toyota must solve with different color armrests?
@anthonycbrown1952
5 жыл бұрын
The new base mid-engine Corvette will start around $58K - I'll wait for it. Why can't a wealthy billion dollar global manufacturer make their own engine and architecture? This is not Toyota's finest moment. How many folks are modifying a new $60K Toyota - especially when it is leased? Toyota leadership should be embarrassed by this misstep.
@faeinthebay
5 жыл бұрын
Toyota could make their own engine and platform, but why would they? It wouldn't have many other applications across their lineup (Lexus cars already have their own heavier platforms and engines). The high cost wouldn't be worth the sales of a niche car like the Z4/Supra, which is also why BMW didn't develop this on its own. So both manufacturers decided to split the development costs to develop this niche platform.
@dailyrant4068
5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter how wealthy the company is, do you even know how much it costs to manufacturer vehicles in the modern age? Chrysler spent $1 billion just retooling and preparing to build their minivan. A brand new inline six will cost Toyota hundreds of millions and they won't get that money back because they don't see it as usable in other vehicles. They love their V6 in all their SUVs. Bottomline: It's all about economics
@anthonycbrown1952
5 жыл бұрын
@@faeinthebay Mercedes made the decision to move from V6 to a new inline 6 that can support a 48 volt system and it provides efficiencies needed to support increased increased efficiency standards. That engine will live in their SUVs, sedans, and probably sportier coupes. Something is going on in Toyota where they have engines (v8 is 13 years old) and platforms that are quite old and not seen updating. Are the money folks controlling the product planners/engineers?
@anthonycbrown1952
5 жыл бұрын
@@dailyrant4068 A 1980s Supra was priced in the $50K range and an inflation adjusted Supra would be $70K. It Toyota had a fully evolved RWD flexible architecture that could be shared across multiple vehicles the expense could be shared. The VW Group knows how to do these things and explains why they are #1 globally.
@dailyrant4068
5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonycbrown1952 That's precisely the point most of us have made already, Toyota doesn't have a good use for a "RWD flexible architecture".
@samkelomordaunt2518
5 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the BMW partnership, Toyota beefed up the engine ensuring their quality and reliability standards were met. However I wish Toyota used The S68 engine from the M3/ M4 competition producing (503hp) 375KW and make this a proper fast sports car. . .
@meh-87
5 жыл бұрын
It's more desirable than I thought it would be. 50k+ is beyond what I'm willing to spend on a car right now, but if I was in that range this is a must drive.
@tttran60
5 жыл бұрын
I hope Toyota replace all the plastic stuffs that BMW famous for
@clee19821013
5 жыл бұрын
tttran60 more like the other way around, BMW interior even in lower trim is better... though my experience is mostly with 5 and 7 series so I might be biased...
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
They did not. The biggest problem is all the plastic in/around the engine - it will be toast in 3-4 years.
@amill1563
5 жыл бұрын
I am liking it now that reviews are in. Built in controversy at no extra charge.
@MillennialVetFamily
5 жыл бұрын
Id use the same money on a leased return Alfa Romeo 4c hard top. But still a hard choice.
@delinois2011
5 жыл бұрын
90's turbo lag except the 4R4, those little TD04's spool up nice and quick.
@ShakingTwoTrees2012
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alex! Your consistently excellent vehicle reviews are by far the most comprehensive, insightful and informative that I've seen over the past several years. While I appreciate this new Supra, I'll wait to see what Mazda has in the pipeline for an RX-9, inline 6-cylinder with manual transmission and RWD when I'm in the market for a new ride a few years down the road.
@mechwarrior13
5 жыл бұрын
No stick shift really kills the interest for me, that's why I got the 86 last week =D
@thatebutuoyguy788
5 жыл бұрын
10:40 Only Alex has his phone 'plugged in' with a wireless charging mat. lol
@RBzee112
5 жыл бұрын
Does his phone have wireless charging?
@thatebutuoyguy788
5 жыл бұрын
Regardless. It is the wording that makes it funny.
@kekememe788
5 жыл бұрын
Best in-depth review I've ever watch. Period.
@ZipSpeed
5 жыл бұрын
Love seeing the Supra back. Okay Honda, your turn. Bring back the Prelude nameplate!
@mjdgi1
5 жыл бұрын
I don't understand when Toyota have the Lexus lc500 platform or the RC platform why did it go to BMW .??
@AAutoBuyersGuide
5 жыл бұрын
Because the LC is a bit too big
@mjdgi1
5 жыл бұрын
@@AAutoBuyersGuide okay so what's wrong with the RC-f platform?
@AAutoBuyersGuide
5 жыл бұрын
According to Toyota, the RC platform was too big and too heavy
@AbzAden
5 жыл бұрын
Alex on Autos also the RC platform is a mix of the IS and GS a mixed Frankenstein of platform and its also heavy
@enthused7591
5 жыл бұрын
I like it, but it just reminds me how insane it is that you can buy a 2019 Corvette Stingray for the same price. Far superior vehicle.
@justinfontaine5539
5 жыл бұрын
That's what I did. I was not even a Vette guy until now. It's just a great sports touring car for 55k.
@strongb05
5 жыл бұрын
"no other manufacturer makes a main stream 2 seater for this price range" cough cough corvette.
@jeromebrown5744
5 жыл бұрын
Reading from a script. They paid him to say all these things. Not a objective review.
@christianhernandez7007
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what dealership is going to market this Frankenstein?? You buy at Toyota dealership but you have to take it to BMW for parts...... No thanks!
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@tomj4731 No - Toyota is having to train techs, buy toolsets, and devote (waste) time and space to try and service a BMW. BMW will NOT sevice a TOyota.
@krisnadiimam4556
5 жыл бұрын
im just worried about Toyota using BMW parts bin... coz its pretty much public knowledge that one doesn't last as long as the other. *sigh*
@M1911jln
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a Toyota guy. I've owned Toyotas for about 20 years. Alex, I completely disagree with you about the BMW tie-up. I buy Toyotas knowing that I will give up some excitement and in return get Toyota reliability. That is why we buy Toyotas. Toyota makes several excellent V6 engines, both naturally aspirated and turbocharged. As much as I like inline-6 engines, I would much rather have a Toyota-developed V6 than a BMW-sourced inline-6. BMW sadly has a history of serious reliability issues, and this car is a BMW built by Magna Steyr in Austria. I don't have a problem with the ZF automatic (other than the fact that there is no manual transmission available). As automatics go, the ZF is one of the best. I despise the BMW shifter, though that is a rant for another day... The styling is, frankly, hideous. The fake vents are atrocious. They can make up whatever stories they want about the fake vents, but fake vents just suck -- they are indicative of lazy designers. The visibility looks poor, with very short side windows. Toyota blew this. Toyota spent a great deal of money developing the 200 Series Land Cruiser, even though it also sells in very low numbers, but that is a Toyota through-and-through, with legendary Toyota reliability. Toyota chose not to make the same investment in the Supra. That is their decision. My decision in response is that I won't buy this car; it simply isn't a Toyota. If I want to buy a BMW, I'll go to the BMW dealer and buy one.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
You are exactly right. You could not bive me a BMW if I had to keep it over 3 years. I will happily keep my 1994 MKIV - which will last longer than this 2020 BRZ4.
@Tigerex966
5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a 2+2, about a foot longer based on this, with optional awd, that would be awesome for $10K more.
@haonanzhang6759
5 жыл бұрын
BMW 440 here you go.
@bradyspace
5 жыл бұрын
True Toyota purist fanboys would understand the Kaizan method and what this easy to upgrade Supra model is really about.
@HBKiran
5 жыл бұрын
I think this car is worth this price. Very nice car with a reasonable price, well done!!
@cadsux
5 жыл бұрын
It's Toyota's tradition to pair-up with another automaker for sports cars, but with all their best selling sales of Rav4, Camry & Corolla (combined, 1 million units sold in the U.S. last year), they act like they're barely hanging on like Mazda. Easier to tune aftermarket than the Mustang or Camaro? Well, there's 55 years of aftermarket parts for those two.
@kmeekins4168
5 жыл бұрын
Got all the supra notifications, only clicked on Alex's.
@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow
5 жыл бұрын
As a first time BMW owner, I can tell you that BMWs are kind of a different beast -- they complexify everything. How can you trust the Toyota dealership is going to be able to fix, maintain, and troubleshoot, what is (for all practical purposes) a BMW? The specialists are going to be at the BMW dealerships -- where they know these cars like the back of their hands. Furthermore, I don't think there's a single turbo charged Toyota for sale in the US market -- this just isn't "their bag" -- their mechanics have probably never worked on a turbo car before. They've probably never even walnut blasted the back of the valves on a direct injection engine, either -- because they've never needed to. Probably never changed the trans oil in a ZF transmission -- which has a special process. Hell, they are probably are not even familiar with the ins and outs of run-flat tires. There's simply a lack of depth of knowledge and expertise outside of their own products. Also, are they going to put BMW diagnostic tools in all the Toyata dealerships? Or just some? Or what? And I hate to say it, but your BMW sports car is probably a lot more likely to be taken for a joy ride at the Toyota dealership, than at the BMW dealership, where higher horsepower, RWD cars, are not really a big deal.
@AAutoBuyersGuide
5 жыл бұрын
Well, they have had turbo Toyota in the past and it hasn’t been an issue. And every new model has its own challenges
@enigmaPL
5 жыл бұрын
@Show Me What I Need To Know Wow.... you're really clueless aren't you??
@williamreinhardt2774
5 жыл бұрын
While Complexify is not an actual word, I marvel at its beauty and thank you for introducing it to my life. Now if I could just get more gription.
@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow
5 жыл бұрын
@@williamreinhardt2774 You are very welcome. Although I think it's a word. It's in multiple dictionary sites, like merriam-webster.com, collinsdictionary.com, and others. But I'll let you be the judge.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@enigmaPL Actually you are clueless. What he said is exactly right. This will be a service nightmare.
@coureurdebois
5 жыл бұрын
It's like a slower Japanese Corvette
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
Name the faster Japanese Corvette, please.
@zbomb33
5 жыл бұрын
Toyota could’ve just used the Lexus RC package for this project. Imagine a modernized 2JZ variant...... people would have bought these in droves.
@faeinthebay
5 жыл бұрын
I doubt that many more people would have bought a modernized 2JZ, and considering how high development costs are these days, why should Toyota bother?
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@faeinthebay Why did Mazda just introduce their NEW inline 6?
@faeinthebay
5 жыл бұрын
@@doctorlarry2273 Because they're moving upmarket and don't have any newer in-house engine designs that offer the characteristics they're looking for? I don't know what you're implying.
@cedricm5153
5 жыл бұрын
The Legend has NOT returned. It's been dead for nearly 20 years.
@tinhinnh
5 жыл бұрын
Cedric M Acura Legend?
@antmarquis87
5 жыл бұрын
Mk4 wasn’t a good seller, expensive and heavy. So, this is actually better.
@bv2001
5 жыл бұрын
Cedric M you cant expect a car that literally just came out to instantly be a legend. Back when the mk4 was released in 1993 many auto magazines called it “heavy and bloated” among other things. The community made it a legend, it took decades for it to become a legend. Im not saying that the A90 is a legend, but im not being biased either. Only time will tell
@matty_o
5 жыл бұрын
Vassilis Vez it was a legend while in production not after. Check out Japanese racing scene of the 90s. Plus stateside people were boosting to 1000hp
@bv2001
5 жыл бұрын
Orvil Matthews You are right, but the mk4 saw its biggest fame after production ended and for many people when Fast and Furious came out in 2001. Still, we have to wait to see what happens to the mk5
@LoLPhuocDat
5 жыл бұрын
this is a really really good review
@nodak81
5 жыл бұрын
Both this and the 86 would be so much more appealing if they had let BMW/Subaru build the bodies but installed a Toyota powertrain. This just has lazy written all over it. Toyota wants to have "sports cars" without dedicating any of the time and expense necessary to build their own. If I were actually in the market for either of these cars I would purposely buy a BRZ or a Z4.
@boboutelama5748
5 жыл бұрын
But you aren't. Instead, you write shitty comments all over the internet in waiting for a client during your shift at Subway making 10 $ an hour because you refused to suck the boss.
@EskiZagra
5 жыл бұрын
Manual is more expensive than auto? Since when? It's a damn sports car - meant and designed to be modified! Slap a Getrag 6 in it from 20+ years ago and you have a perfect package. Automatic = cheaper; what???
@mhicks31
5 жыл бұрын
He means its more expensive to manufacture and offer 2 options and therefore would increase the overall cost to the consumer.
@MrRoyck10
5 жыл бұрын
In effect this the BMW Z4 coupe supra, it looks good for what it is: a supra but a BMW at heart. My e86M coupe is a keeper!!
@666chew
5 жыл бұрын
If I could afford it, I'd get it. No questions.
@Noo795
5 жыл бұрын
"Dive into the elephant in the room up front. "
@Rhyme905
5 жыл бұрын
when you try to force a cliche shitty phrase into your video
@driving1
5 жыл бұрын
Great work as usual Alex, especially appreciate your thoughtful choice to compare to the non-obvious choices of Camaro and Mustang
@horuslupercal3872
5 жыл бұрын
Money wise I would buy a Camaro ss 1le
@gianniclaud
5 жыл бұрын
This looks like an amazing car. Time will tell if it is reliable or not, and if it isn't - you can't say you didn't know it was a BMW Supra.
@ShahnewazYT
5 жыл бұрын
This or the Stinger/G70 Sport? And how about the aging Q50?
@Lionsheartification
5 жыл бұрын
Stinger and g70 doesn't really compete with this. This is much more performance focused and less practical than those.
@ShahnewazYT
5 жыл бұрын
@@LionsheartificationI know that but they come about the same price, comparably equipped.
@stoptellingmewhattowrite
5 жыл бұрын
G70 3.3TT for a bit more luxury and Stinger for a bit more utilitarian use because of the hatch. Those can run high 12s in the quarter stock so plenty of power with much more practicality.
@freytheviking
5 жыл бұрын
Gj hitting the apexes!
@Tigerex966
5 жыл бұрын
Call me when they add the rumored 8 speed digital drive by wire manual, with launch control, rev matching, and anti stall.
@JMD535
5 жыл бұрын
Guess what! One can now take their Toyota Supra to a BMW Center for engine and drivetrain service,...and their Z4 to a Toyota Dealership for engine/drivetrain service! Edit: The "Supra Look",...I just saw it at "2:36" and "3:53"! This to me is the new Supra's best viewing angles!!
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
Actually you would have to take the Supra to a Toyota dealer that is totally unprepared to service a BMW. They need separate techs, toolsets, training for this one car and they have no experience with unreliable cars. It will be a disaster.
@johntheaccountant5594
5 жыл бұрын
Just watching tests, I would be opting for the Toyota Supra as opposed to the BMW Z4; $10,000 cheaper and more relaible and better handling being a hard top against the BMW convertible. I also remember when the Honda NSX came out and was comapred against the Ferrari at the time and look what Honda NSX is worth now second hand. I can see the Toyota Supra being the same.
@james2042
5 жыл бұрын
you understand its a bmw with a toyota badge and aesthetics, so reliability is that of a bmw
@JBsC6
5 жыл бұрын
Ft1 concept was a little more appealing. I hope in person the sports car looks more dramatic. Should have made the body wider to meet the ft1 concept styling. Bmw is the ultimate driving machine so sharing parts is a smart way to go. 50 grand is priced well. Feeling like a lexus is impressive. Interesting insights from Alex. Thank you
@Voltedge89
5 жыл бұрын
this thing looks beautiful .
@claytonroot806
5 жыл бұрын
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think it is fugly, particularly in the rear.
@nlouisf
5 жыл бұрын
Right it's a beautiful car
@gorillagod5316
5 жыл бұрын
What a lovely balanced review. Thank you
@schmo7777
5 жыл бұрын
I love you Alex! I hope to meet you in person someday!
@ron2366
5 жыл бұрын
Think about it even though the Supra has less power it's just as or faster than Lexus RC F, which cost $13,000 more and that's just comparing base model.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
Light weight but strong chassis helps. RC are fat cars. Bad news for BMW haters.
@Sarcastic_Asmodeus
5 жыл бұрын
The RCF is a heavy GT car with a V8 and way better quality build by Lexus. The Zupra is a nimble light sports car with a decent interior shared with daddy BMW.
@ron2366
5 жыл бұрын
@@Sarcastic_Asmodeus Well, according to Alex on Autos and some other journalists the Supras quality/luxury is on par with Lexus.
@Sarcastic_Asmodeus
5 жыл бұрын
@@ron2366, right. A car with recycled BMW parts is on par with Lexus interior. Specifically the F models. Ok. Also, Alex is the only who's said something like this so far. I mean look at the Zupras steering wheel. Seriously. Lol
@ron2366
5 жыл бұрын
@@Sarcastic_Asmodeus Agree with you, but at least we are getting good light weight rear wheel sports car.
@esteemedenergy
5 жыл бұрын
I never liked the old Supra, but this new version....WOW...I am a buyer. Great job Toytota/BMW.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
Better get rid of it before it is 3 years old. Ask BMW owners why.
@vanvan5709
5 жыл бұрын
4:58 What am I looking at? I see a blob of plastic.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
That is the rats nest that will indeed be a blob in a few years.
@ustunkaya6383
5 жыл бұрын
First time seen your video good job cameras and all the details 👏👏
@JAM_2024
5 жыл бұрын
Great review as always!
@RainnMakerr
5 жыл бұрын
Great review Alex.. as always. So when it comes to maintenance and repair i am expecting to go to a toyota shop and pay toyota price and NOT bmw price hopefully.
@rayhayduk3668
5 жыл бұрын
Is there a difference?
@jessemunoz2642
5 жыл бұрын
I wounder how much it costs to replace that battery.
@stoptellingmewhattowrite
5 жыл бұрын
You just throw the car away by the time it fails, no point in fixing BMW. ( 3-4 years)
@insideamerica5978
5 жыл бұрын
Toyota + BMW = V6 Camaro 335 HP
@HiPlains1
5 жыл бұрын
Except the B58 inline six is a MUCH better engine then GM's 3.6 and the MPG's are going to destroy the 3.6 at the same time. What's really lacking for GM is they use their crappy in house 8 speed. Its a pile of shit compared to the ZF 8 speed. Plus a long history of shuttering and torque convertors failures. The Supra will hit 60 a second sooner then the Camaro. Both have 335 HP but your comparing the crappy GM 3.6 to the legendary B58 inline six. And then you have the ZF 8 speed in the toy which is the best AT on the planet full stop. Then you have the cheap interior of the GM next to the toy that has BMW's full center stack and high quality materials. Right up there with all the rest of the German cars that obliterate anything Detroit can come up with.
@somsordachanh9686
5 жыл бұрын
Toyota + BMW= (v6 Camaro 335hp = Camaro dead)
@Day7Reset
5 жыл бұрын
No spare tire, BMW battery system, engine, transmission, interior switch-gear... why did they name this Supra? Should have let the legend stay awesome in memory and call this the GT96 or something. Then it would not have to fill the same shoes as it does with the Supra nameplate.
@maxnix346
5 жыл бұрын
Also way better than Supra IV. At is made by ZF and used by Chrysler and Rolls Royce and Jaguar, among others.
@doctorlarry2273
5 жыл бұрын
@@maxnix346 Not much better than a stock MKIV and not at all as good as the average MKIV of today - like mine. I have no problem with the new automatics like the ZF - they are particularly fast, especially for turbo cars because you get a boost drop when manual shifting that you do not get with an auto. HOwever, the 99% BMW thing kills this car for me and will plague the owners after about 3 years.
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