That was hosted by Wink's old friend - Jim Lange, who previously hosted "Bullseye," who was also "under contract" with Barry & Enright, with his old friend.
@jesselockhart1230
5 жыл бұрын
Jim Lang is without his glasses!! Haven't seen that since his early Dating Game days.
@terracottapie
4 жыл бұрын
I swore I thought I remembered him without glasses on Name That Tune. But I googled it and there he was with glasses.
@snotloutisagod2956
2 жыл бұрын
The opening theme was the final portion of Alan Parsons Project's "Don't Let It Show", "Hyper-Gamma Spaces" for the contestant intros, and "Nucleus" for the part where the contestants enter the soundproof booths.
@MDCSWildcats86
Жыл бұрын
Was the "think" music at 5:19 from APP as well?
@khenry320737
10 жыл бұрын
Steve Nadeth... from "Scrabble" fame, having won over $76,000, including the only ToC in that show's history.
@TheMisterJ
10 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! I've only been able to find poor-quality clips of this episode until now! Gotta love the music by APP.
@illustriousrocket4476
7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have minded seeing this make it to series. It would have made for a nice followup to Bullseye.
@theodorehsu5023
3 жыл бұрын
When it did, it happened around the time of the heyday of the US "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" David Legler won $1,765,000 in 2000, making him the biggest winner of the Maury Povich NBC run. It would also make him the 8th highest winner among US game show winners.
@LeoVargas94Oficial
4 жыл бұрын
The randomizer from the bonus round was later used in the 1985-86 version of Break the Bank.
@BlaqC
4 жыл бұрын
As promised elsewhere, here's my 21 story. I was a contestant on the Québec version (Vingt et Un), which followed these rules: 1-11 point questions, three questions maximum, one strike for a wrong answer (3 strikes and you're out), one "ask a backstage friend" lifeline per game (a wrong answer gets you 2 strikes), players secretly asked whether they want to stop the game after 2 rounds. My focus on strategy earned me the dubious honour of causing producers to panic and stop tape! On this version, the challenger played last. After the second round, when my soundproof booth was activated and host Guy Mongrain asked whether I wanted to stop the game with 13 points, I couldn't hold my excitement back and, with a gigantic smile, exclaimed "I'll stop the game!" A few moments later, there was confusion on the set, then they stopped tape. I was stuck in my booth for several minutes until someone came to ask me why I'd reacted as if I knew what had happened during isolation. My next memory is of being outside the booth, on the set, recounting my rationale to an exasperated producer. There had been no technical issue. I had been as isolated as I was supposed to be. Can you guess what made me so happy? Answer below.
@BlaqC
4 жыл бұрын
My episode wasn't the first to be taped that day. I spent several games in the audience, watching a frighteningly-knowledgeable champion win game after game, in two rounds each time. 10 points, 11 points, boom-end the game and win with 21. 11 points, 10 points, boom-end the game and win with 21. Each time, the same strategy: aim for 21 in two rounds. Being less knowledgeable than the champion, I knew my only chance at winning was to ask for two midrange questions (to maximize my chance at answering correctly), earn just over 11 points, and cross my fingers. The champion never deviated from his two-question strategy. This gave me what was meant to be impossible: one single bit of knowledge about the game being played outside my soundproof booth. After two rounds, he would either stop the game with 21 (and the host would inform me the game was over and I'd lost) - or, if the host instead asked me whether I wanted to stop, it meant the champion missed one or both questions and had a maximum of 11 points. Again: ➡️ the only scenario where I would be asked whether I wanted to end the game after two rounds was if the champion had 11 points or less. ⬅️ Just the fact of being asked "do you want to stop the game", in itself, would reveal crucial information I wasn't supposed to know. I answered my two questions correctly. I even called upon my lifeline to be sure I didn't flub a question out of misguided pride! And if I recall correctly, this was the first game in which he missed a question. So after two rounds, he wanted to continue the game, my booth came on, and Guy Mongrain said the words I'd been praying to hear: "Voulez-vous continuer la partie?" "Yes, I do!", I gleefully exclaimed. Which freaked the producers out! How could I be so certain about ending the game? Did the headphones malfunction? Did I perceive some sign from the darkened audience? These booths had a bulletproof design-contestants could neither see nor hear anything from the studio when isolated. That's why the producer was so aggravated when she asked me what happened and I proudly recounted this entire strategy. I had done nothing wrong, but boy, did I make the show appear to be rigged! (Francophone Québec audiences wouldn't know about the Twenty One scandal, but the producers sure did!) Once reassured that I didn't cheat and there was nothing wrong with the isolation booth, I was sent back in and we resumed taping. I wound up winning three games (but, embarrassingly, flubbing the bonus game every single time on stupidly-easy questions) before meeting my match. I'll never forget the experience of my fine strategy and cheerful demeanour causing a game-show taping to come to a screeching halt.
@DBR00
3 жыл бұрын
Are the contestants able to see the audience? Perhaps they can see audience clapping to know that their opponent answered the question correctly?
@DXKramer
3 жыл бұрын
@@DBR00 The audience was probably darkened so the contestants couldn't see their reactions.
@marcpower4167
2 жыл бұрын
@@DXKramer on the Maury Povich era they said the contestants can't see the audience because of the way the lights hit the glass but they can see the host.
@LeoVargas94Oficial
9 жыл бұрын
The theme is the final portion of "Don't Let It Show" by the Alan Parsons Project.
@user-yh6us2jk8t
2 ай бұрын
This guy is like the key to unreleased pilots of forgotten or well known game shows!
@BenJabituya
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, Wink. After watching "Quiz Show", I loved the concept of this game show.
@JosephPratt1986
9 жыл бұрын
Interesting game show! It was also taped inside of Studio 33 at CBS Television City!
@rwboa22
5 жыл бұрын
Which was also where the later seasons of "Bullseye" were taped. The pilot, with the $1,000,000 top prize, and the first seasons, were taped at the old NBC Burbank Studios where according to a story, Johnny Carson gave a thumbs up to the set.
@bobthetvfan
8 жыл бұрын
I agree that the questions were like those on "Tic Tac Dough," but I want to know where the 10 and 11 point questions were. Those were the ones that created the ties on the original show (never mind that the contestants had the answers in the '50s). Someone mentioned that the show couldn't have worked because of CBS's $25,000 limit at the time. The show just happened to be taped at CBS Television City; it was intended for syndication and could have been turned down by the CBS-owned stations. And yes, it was supposed to replace "Bullseye." And yes. too. Jim Lange was better than Maury Povich also not as dramatic as Jack Barry. This was my first look at this version and I'm sorry it didn't get on the air.
@ericandy88
5 жыл бұрын
I am going to guess it still had somewhat of a taint even 2 decades or so after the scandals. Even if it got picked up, it may not have lasted long.
@someguy23475
4 жыл бұрын
The theory I heard was they reused old Play the Percentages questions, which were worth 10 to 90 points based on what percentage answered incorrectly. A bad idea.
@MDCSWildcats86
Жыл бұрын
There were no "10/11 pointers" on this version, only 1-9's. Jim Lange explicitly mentions this.
@brianschwartz1372
10 жыл бұрын
This was taped exactly two months before I was born.
@bluebear1985
7 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Barry & Enright wanted to give this show another go, considering that the original version caused so controversy in so many ways. Maybe it was just too soon.
@rwboa22
5 жыл бұрын
Also that NBC still owns the rights. If Sony would gain the rights from Comcast, I could see this coming back as a mid-summer run.
@steve760
3 жыл бұрын
@@rwboa22 Sony would be a logical choice, since they own the Barry/Enright game shows not owned by NBC, but I don't see it happening.
@MDCSWildcats86
Жыл бұрын
B&E actually did a show called PLAY THE PERCENTAGES, whose final format was essentially 21 without the isolation booths.
@TheNinjaTurtleDude
10 жыл бұрын
This pilot was fine. But I like the Maury version better.
@danmonticello4164
8 жыл бұрын
me to Maury is better
@AaronBruceLadner
6 жыл бұрын
Maury was the Original Host of A CURRENT AFFAIR
@pacdude5000
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Maury’s version was multiple Choice, which is better
@someguy23475
4 жыл бұрын
Maury’s was the worst. Too dumbed down, and a gimmicky second chance. The 50s version, game wise was the best. Wish it wasn’t rigged.
@DocIdaho
4 жыл бұрын
The 50's version was best, but rigged. Multiple choice is for morons.
@MMB18abel
10 жыл бұрын
The Win Music would later be used in THE JOKER'S WILD bonus round. Hal Hidey did the composition.
@Singingboy1978
9 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I found an OOPS at time index 12:13 when Mr. Lange referred to the continent of Africa as a "country!" LOL
@ericandy88
5 жыл бұрын
Paging Drew Carey.
@gilwood7530
4 жыл бұрын
I'll have to look for that...I caught one about a month ago on an old game show ...Biggest countries ...ANTARTICA ????????? Really ?
@georgef551
9 күн бұрын
The giant computer number machine ultimately was used in "Break the Bank" to randomly select how many keycards you could take from it.
@steve760
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. In the wake of the quiz show scandals, Jack Barry ended up selling the rights to four of his games to NBC. NBC owns Tic Tac Dough, Dough-Re-Mi, Concentration and 21, and has for at least 50 years now. But in 1978, he ended up producing a reboot of Tic Tac Dough, and then he produced this pilot for 21. I'm wondering how he pulled that off.
@marcpower4167
2 жыл бұрын
May have "leased" the rights from them. Mark Goodson did that to produce Concentration (the Jack Narz hosted era) and Classic Concentration.
@mrceleb2006
9 жыл бұрын
No earphones in the the iso-booths!
@CartoonsAndGameShows
8 жыл бұрын
Should've been sold, I like it.
@witherblaze
7 жыл бұрын
CartoonsAndGameShows 30 years later, it did.
@LeoVargas94Oficial
4 жыл бұрын
@@witherblaze 18 years, that is.
@DrummingWriterTrekfan84
5 жыл бұрын
With (R.I.P.)The Ledgendary Charlie O'Donnel(pardon my spelling) Announcing the show! The same Charlie that was famous for announcing Wheel Of Fortune!
@davidduquette1970
3 жыл бұрын
And I believe the 100,000 Pyramid
@steve760
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidduquette1970 Did anyone NOT announce Pyramid? :)
@kurttoy5035
Жыл бұрын
Johnny Jacobs for one. I bring him up because when I first saw the original Pyramid some time àfter its 1973 debut I thought Jacobs was the announcer, this was before I found out it was based in NYC.
@DBR00
3 жыл бұрын
I always liked Jim Lange.
@robertlehman1337
4 жыл бұрын
That had to been taped at CBS Television City Studio 33 same studio of Price Is Right Match Game 1973-82 Card Sharks 1986-89 Wheel of Fortune 1989-95 Family Feud 1988-95
@drquuxum
10 жыл бұрын
At 0:52, you can hear The Alan Parsons Project's "Hyper-Gamma-Spaces". A little surreal.
@VahanNisanian
10 жыл бұрын
drquuxum I thought it was "Don't Let it Show".
@Scrabblerouser
10 жыл бұрын
See my reply to Greg Palmer's question below. :-)
@LogoMan7777
10 жыл бұрын
***** That's the opening theme. "Hyper-Gamma-Spaces" is the contestant introduction cue.
@CrestwoodRocks
9 жыл бұрын
1982. That probably was Jim Lange's show after when he hosted Bull's Eye.
@robertlehman1337
4 жыл бұрын
You can tell that it was taped at Studio 33 at CBS television city same studio where Price is Right Match Game 1973-82 Card Shards 1986-89 Body Language 1984-86 was taped
@roysanders7245
6 ай бұрын
Jim looks different without his glasses in this 1982 game show pilot. I am more used to seeing him with glasses.
@roysanders7245
6 ай бұрын
I recognized him from “Bullseye” as a contestant from 1980.
@JEMQueen
10 жыл бұрын
when you saw the ending 21, it looked like a station ID more then the title of the show, kinda weird isn't it?
@lakebay972
10 жыл бұрын
yes, it almost looks like the one KTXA in Fort Worth used back in the '80s
@JEMQueen
10 жыл бұрын
no wonder this never became a series until NBC picked it up in 2002 with Maury Povich
@andrewschroy6368
9 жыл бұрын
lakebay972 And what KAME in Reno used back then, too...
@johnnyballenatl
6 жыл бұрын
JEM Queen 2000, actually.
@Scrabblerouser
10 жыл бұрын
That number generator they used for the bonus round looks familiar. Was it the 1985 "Break the Bank" they used that for, determining how many bank cards a team would get?
@andrewschroy6368
9 жыл бұрын
Yup! :D
@Tubewings
10 жыл бұрын
I never understood why Jim Lange choose to not wear glasses for this pilot when he had been wearing them on-camera for over a decade by this point (the earliest I've seen him wearing specs was in a 1970 episode of "The Dating Game").
@pgtcf7806
10 жыл бұрын
Maybe he had broken his glasses and hadn't received his replacement pair yet...plausible I guess.
@whirliebird74
10 жыл бұрын
My theory would be that if Jim Lange wore glasses, it might reflect the scores off his glasses, making the contestants able to see their opponent's score, thus affecting the integrity of the game.
@pgtcf7806
10 жыл бұрын
You know, I never thought of that, but you're right Woodie.
@rodney1279TheFlip
10 жыл бұрын
Woodie B. Good point Woodie B. He looked great None the less.
@wschmrdr
10 жыл бұрын
Perhaps he needs them off to read the questions.
@TheCharlesJLee1000
10 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Steven Nadith was on Scrabble in 1985 in the Tournament of Champions?
@andrewschroy6368
5 жыл бұрын
He was-- defeating Annie McCormick to win a $49,500 jackpot.
@amywilson3593
Күн бұрын
gerry wilson didn't know jim lange had done pilot of this and jim, africa is a continent
@georgemaster9952
6 жыл бұрын
Jim without glasses...interesting!
@zacheryalderton7797
6 жыл бұрын
I love Jim Lange
@OnScreenThatStudios
5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that Barry & Enright decided to secure a spot to air on CBS or NBC after Tic Tac Dough was cancelled by CBS Daytime in 1978.
@angrybirdsfan2003
11 ай бұрын
Or maybe ABC.
@davidgamble2673
11 күн бұрын
Naughty naughty Jim tipped the challenger's score when he emphasized "and YOU have 5 points" lol..pilot's gotta work out the kinks
@Almafeta
4 жыл бұрын
The cash-stealing and point-losing rules were rough. Marie went two perfect 21s and got a lousy $8000, while the champion (who went 20 (in the previous game), 21, 17) lost 1/3rd of his winnings. And the endgame had all the strategy of Acey Deucy. The set was gorgeous in its simplicity though. The physical question carousel was a neat touch too.
@MDCSWildcats86
Жыл бұрын
The cash-stealing/point losing rules are from the original 21 of the 1950s.
@SigmaRho2922
11 ай бұрын
The rules were discarded for a 3 strikes rule for the show’s 2000 revival.
@OGNoNameNobody
9 ай бұрын
Ooof. -1 for the lack of a 'Spoiler' tag.
@pgtcf7806
9 жыл бұрын
This should have sold as a replacement for "Bullseye" and had a 3-5 year run. It had my undivided attention.
@LogoMan7777
9 жыл бұрын
+James Greek It was syndication. Had to be.
@cg0825
Жыл бұрын
Jim Lang would've been a better host than Maury Povich was in the 2000 version.
@nextbarker2702
10 ай бұрын
Image if Jack Barry hosted this pilot?
@briansmith2990
11 ай бұрын
I was surprised that this wasn't picked up. There have been far worse programs that have been picked up.
@johnissoevil
8 жыл бұрын
Jim was better than Maury Povich
@DBR00
3 жыл бұрын
The lie detector determined that you are telling the truth!
@AaronBruceLadner
9 жыл бұрын
Stephen Nadeth later Appeared on SCRABBLE.
@mattcrowley8993
11 ай бұрын
21:55 If she gave the computer a 9, it would not end well for her.
@thymemasters8902
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice how the bonus round is literally impossible to lose? You can give yourself the first number and then every of the next numbers to the computer to force it to bust and you automatically win.
@BlaqC
4 жыл бұрын
You can't give the computer infinite numbers; like a blackjack dealer, it freezes on 17 or above.
@MikeHL78
8 жыл бұрын
If I had been hosting this pilot, I would have likely said something about Bo Derek @ 15:56... ...and then @ 16:15, I would have wanted to crawl into a hole for sabotaging the game. lol.
@BlaqC
4 жыл бұрын
Although the format is legendary, this pilot was weighed down by endless exposition. Much of the audience doesn't care for math (remember how they dumbed down the Shatner version of Show Me The Money) and Lange's endless discussions of each question's point outcomes gets old real quick.
@dan1701a
9 жыл бұрын
The end game was a little kludgey. Basically like blackjack.
@danbarker4857
7 жыл бұрын
s 21 the only TV game show, where returning champions can lose money if they get defeated?
@andrewschroy6368
7 жыл бұрын
Winner Take All did that, too.
@bobthetvfan
7 жыл бұрын
The 1950s version of "Tic Tac Dough" deducted money from the loser's total, if any. Both it and "Twenty-One" were, as I'm sure you all know, Barry and Enright productions.
@marcpower4167
4 жыл бұрын
Joker's wild had it early on too, where if you won 4 games (later 3) in a row, you won the joker's jackpot. But if you gambled and lost, your cash winnings were lost and added to the jackpot.
@BenJabituya
4 жыл бұрын
Earlier seasons of "The Joker's Wild" did that practice, too. If the champion's cash is at risk.
@Ian16545
10 жыл бұрын
Not bad here, Jim. But you'd be better off just hosting "Bullseye".
@QHMCQ
4 жыл бұрын
Terrible bonus game. I always wondered about Twenty-One, including this incarnation, can the contestants see the host from inside the booth? If so, and I'm in the booth, I could probably read the host's body language. Also, if the other contestant's taking a longer time with the question than I did, I'd probably think it was the 2-part question. The one time in here, Jim walked back to the podium and then resumed asking the question, which would seem to me another hint. I dunno. I can see why this didn't get picked up.
@mshroye2
4 жыл бұрын
Eric McHugh The booths were designed so that the lighting blocked the contestants view of not only the audience but I believe the host. Also they played music in the booth and since they didn’t know each other’s scores if I were inside I’d be thinking either they’re doing a hard question or just racking their brain on an easier question.
@marcpower4167
4 жыл бұрын
Maury mentioned before on his version, the contestants can see him but not each other or into the audience and they added audience noises to the music to keep the contestants in the dark. I've noticed contestants can get a hint from where on the card Jim's reading during their opponent's round. They fixed it though on the quebec version (vingt et un) by giving the host a tablet to read the questions from.
@BlaqC
4 жыл бұрын
@@marcpower4167 Do you mean that Jim would place his thumb under the question being read? Such a "tell" is disappointing. I was on Vingt et Un! Fun anecdote in another thread.
@BlaqC
4 жыл бұрын
@@mshroye2 Yes, if the host spends a lot of time on your opponent, it can indicate that they picked a two-part question.
@nextbarker2702
10 ай бұрын
Was this the only game show where champions could LOSE money?
@terracottapie
4 жыл бұрын
These questions are WAY too easy. A 5 point question out of 10 is "name the Coliseum"? Romulus and Remus? Come on.
@peaceandsolepodcasthost6922
Ай бұрын
0:05 - So they were allowed to rig the pilot for the contestants to tie in the first game? Great! lol
@rongamble8930
10 жыл бұрын
12:11 - is Africa a country or a continent? Make up your mind, Jim!
@archibaldcabebe6062
10 жыл бұрын
And this was before a similar debacle in Whose Line for Drew Carey
@bmhedgehog2
10 жыл бұрын
Guess like no one liked the bonus game. I think that why that pilot didn't take off. I would like to see the other 21 (in this case Blackjack) pilot.
@RolandTaylorJr
10 жыл бұрын
I kind of did like the bonus game, but nothing else on this pilot episode. Also, that board that the numbers spun around on in the bonus game looks like the one from the 1985 version of Break The Bank
@LogoMan7777
10 жыл бұрын
RolandTheBigBootMan Yeah, aside from the APP music and the bonus game, nothing really stood out.
@JoeyLamontagne
9 жыл бұрын
The bonus game was really unnecessary
@johnissoevil
8 жыл бұрын
A B&E game of the 80s without a bonus round would have looked awkward, necessary or not.
@timglende8869
4 жыл бұрын
The bonus game board looks a little like the Fame Game board on Sale of the Century (which premiered 7 1/2 after this was recorded.
@taofanarchy96-renzomaracas14
2 жыл бұрын
Nice pilot, it just need a major overhaul in the format and the influence of a British imported show to make this show on the air- OH WAIT, IT DID HAPPENED
@hockeybagged
10 жыл бұрын
I like this pilot though the bonus round is a little weak.
@AK-oo5cj
5 күн бұрын
Jim Lange $1,000,000 host
@MilkLikeSubstance
10 жыл бұрын
A rating from 1-9? Must've recycled Tic Tac Dough questions...
@rwboa22
5 жыл бұрын
The 9-point questions do borrow from Tic Tac Dough's center box questions, which are two-parters, but two answers from the same question.
@scootover7
7 жыл бұрын
This is okay but not as good as Maury Povich version.
@jhillst
8 жыл бұрын
What would they do on this game if they had two new contestants, and the loser had no money to forfeit to the winner?
@andrewschroy6368
8 жыл бұрын
+jhillst My guess-- winner gets the money from the house depending on how ahead they were of the losing opponent. Losing opponent would get parting gifts.
@sillyolryan
10 жыл бұрын
If this was a pilot, then I'm assuming the contestant introduced as a "returning champion" was made up?
@ordinaryk
10 жыл бұрын
Yep. The "contestants" go into the pilot knowing that they won't actually win anything, but they must have been compensated in some way, as there were several pilot contestant regulars in the 70s and 80s, such as Jack Campion.
@bencalebrod
8 жыл бұрын
+Kenton Cernea You can tell it was staged too, by the fact that the production slate said 'tie' pilot.
@wschmrdr
6 жыл бұрын
Obviously wanted to test situations, but could have contributed to why it didn't sell (aside from the game having some serious flaws that led to the rigging).
@cutemimi25
6 жыл бұрын
Marie: 10 Jim Lange: We don't have 10 Me: You will when NBC picks it up in 2000 when Maury Povich hosts it
@JimmySand9
5 жыл бұрын
Jim: What’s a Maury Povich?
@steve760
3 жыл бұрын
@@JimmySand9 I'll take Talk Show Hosts for $2000, Alex.
@Ultimate23Dragon
10 жыл бұрын
I'm curious as to how there could be a reigning champion with $20,000 if this was the pilot, which usually mean first/test episode... unless they somehow brought back the very last 21 champion from years before...
@marcpower4167
4 жыл бұрын
Not uncommon for a "pretend" champion on pilots.
@DBR00
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcpower4167 Also, some of the contestants are sometimes actors on these pilots.
@LogoMan7777
10 жыл бұрын
All right, here's a two part question. This pilot was scored by a British progressive rock group who had five Top 40 hits in the United States. First, name the band; and second, name one of the songs used in this pilot. (TTD thinking time)
@Scrabblerouser
10 жыл бұрын
"Don't Let It Show" is at the beginning, in the opening theme. They add some horns to it to make it their own, but the very beginning is the song itself. "Hyper Gamma Spaces" is used for the contestant introductions. "Nucleus" appears to be used when the contestants go to the isolation booths. Apparently, the producers were fans of the Alan Parsons Project, and the "I Robot" album in particular.
@LogoMan7777
10 жыл бұрын
"Hyper Gamma Spaces" came from Pyramid. I don't think I've ever heard "Nucleus", though.
@Scrabblerouser
10 жыл бұрын
You're right about Hyper Gamma Spaces. The other two are on I Robot, though.
@terryleemangrumii8566
9 ай бұрын
I didn't want to say this, but the 1990s version of Tic Tac Dough should have had Charlie O'Donnell announcing, music from Alan Parsons Project (mainly from this pilot) instead of Henry Mancini, and should have been hosted by either Jim Lange, Jim Peck, or TTD '85 host Jim Caldwell!
@thewkovacs316
3 жыл бұрын
first question was wrong judaism is an eastern religion....the mid-east is not the west
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