In this episode, we discuss: 0:01:29 - Olav’s background, expertise in exercise physiology, coaching experience, and interest in the extremes of human capability 0:08:03 - The processes of energy conversion within the human body and its implications for performance 0:19:50 - Improving movement efficiency, and the importance of mindfulness in training to optimize performance 0:36:34 - The relationship between VO2 max, power output, and endurance performance in different sporting contexts 0:47:36 - How VO2 max is measured in the lab, and why it’s a crucial predictor of both lifespan and quality of life 0:58:15 - Absolute vs relative VO2 max, the significance of functional threshold power in cycling, and the importance of longer duration tests for accurate assessments 1:10:35 - Portable VO2 testing devices as a practical alternative to lab-based tests 1:22:19 - The complexities of measuring ventilation and its impact on performance metrics like VO2 max and heart rate 1:30:54 - Training interventions to increase VO2 max, and factors that impact performance outcomes 1:41:15 - The respiratory exchange ratio (RER) and endurance sports, and how factors such as diet composition and exercise intensity influence RER values and performance 1:50:30 - Science-guided training for versatile athletes: maximizing VO2 max, power, torque, and cadence in cycling, and the importance of incorporating diverse stimuli to enhance performance 2:14:28 - Physiological limitations on VO2 max 2:19:07 - The different energy systems used during work, and other things to monitor like VCO2 and heart rate 2:24:03 - Lactate threshold and other metrics to guide your training 2:38:48 - Analysis of a lactate power curve: exploring lactate dynamics in endurance training and performance
@unknownKnownunknowns
6 ай бұрын
thank you
@elclaudiosanchez
6 ай бұрын
thank you for this interview we really appreciate it.
@Jagged_Ice
6 ай бұрын
Wonderful interview. Thank you.
@jansusicky6050
2 ай бұрын
I think it was this podcast in which Peter says, that pro cyclists do like 5.5 W/kg in 30-60' climbs and they are clean if I remember correctly. Well, Pogi today and his 7.15 W/kg (sea level normalized) for ~30 min is really something....they are smashing records from the "juiced" era clean as whistles😂Sure they eat more CHOs, but...no pro sport is clean (winners, not back-of-the-pack), great entertainment though🤌🏻
@risky_scalps
6 ай бұрын
Great guest and topics but super frustrating ! Please : when you open a subject make sure to let your guest finish his response. You keep cutting him in the middle of his answer and you add precisions to you initial question that, at the end, is not even answered anymore and you jump from subject to subject without even ending any of them. Frustrating!
@stephenmarshall4953
6 ай бұрын
I completely agree w your comment, let the guest complete the answer!
@nooahchannel
6 ай бұрын
You are right. I agree, Olav should talk without interruption.
@brianthomasconner9875
5 ай бұрын
Everyone has to show how smart they are
@alfredvincent13825
5 ай бұрын
He interrupts like a kid. Not the first time.
@Movement-Training212_7
5 ай бұрын
Yes disappointing interview due to interviewer .
@KIMKIRCHEN
5 ай бұрын
Peter we know you're smart. Please don't interrupt the guy FFS! Just let him speak PLEASE!!! Thank you for the incredible guest!
@Re3iRtH
6 ай бұрын
Peter keeps repeating the same thing about VO2max always avoiding to discuss the elephant in the room and that's correlation versus causality. V02 max levels are largely genetic and that is probably the reason why people are living longer. The longest lived human beings invariably are not athletes and did not train for most of their life. They were born to the right parents. Most runners swimmers and cyclists are dying before age 90.
@SandyWhisker
6 ай бұрын
Brilliant to see you both going in to so much detail, however, there were several times where Olav was about to say something really useful for the listener when in your excitement you interrupted him. Please let the guest get to the key point they are trying to make rather than show us you know almost as much if not more than them. Thanks 🙏
@Interceptor
6 ай бұрын
This. Had this thought many times throughout the podcast. Sometimes, Olav managed to hold on to the thought and steer the conversation back on topic, other times not. 😩 Still a very good episode, though!
@SandyWhisker
6 ай бұрын
@@Interceptor I think you make a great point that Olav sometimes came back to the topic, this somewhat salvaged the interruptive nature of Peter. Agreed, still a fantastic episode and looking forward to the next one 👍
@henryhofman7766
5 ай бұрын
Peter spends much of the interview pointing to specifics in relation to his own personal expediences (mainly biking and a little swimming) which unfortunately is a small subset of people who exercise, it would be nice if he steered towards those who run and other more common exercise disciplines. Also they speak with far too many technical terms and acronyms. So much knowledge to share !
@spotofgolf
6 ай бұрын
Surprised by Peter's fundamental misunderstanding of metabolic efficiency being entirely a precursor to mechanical power and therefore not being related to his speed improvements at 21:00
@jimreome
6 ай бұрын
Two best in their respective fields! As a 59 year old still competing in running and triathlon this was glorious! I always wanted to hear a in depth interview with Olav and no better than the good doctor Attia to bring out the best from Olav! OMG and more to come!!!!
@cesaredileo800
6 ай бұрын
This is the ultimate podcast. Thanks Peter and thanks Olav.
@anthonysei
6 ай бұрын
Oxygen to the cells. That transport mechanics with the heart pump is the very mechanism that excercise/effort builds heart function/strength/size. I'm no Dr. But I seebthe relationship. When one taxes the cv system through effort, the body adapts. Fascinating. As an engineer and a hydraulics expert, I see the flow for what it is. Add the mitochondrial and metabolic function and wow, what a sophisticated mechanism we are! Fantastic conversation!!.
@ryanoneil4473
6 ай бұрын
Unreal podcast, completely turned my understanding upside down. I thought the rate limiting step was at the mitochondria. Seems like it is more about stroke volume/hemoglobin/myoglobin axis. I was of the thinking that the lung could always diffuse enough oxygen/co2 through the aveoli, wondering if that was true. Now I’m thinking about doping in cycling and It make sense with even these guys in the tour 2 decades ago were getting 10% faster/more power (going up hills drag has a marginal effect) with a boost in hematocrit without necessarily training with hematocrit that high. Makes sense that you isolated mitochondria can use 300-500ml/kg.
@Interceptor
6 ай бұрын
I don't think the lungs are the bottleneck, no. The saturation of oxygen on hemoglobin molecules after passing through the lungs is close to 100 % in healthy individuals. Even when exercising, I think?
@joemoya9743
6 ай бұрын
One of the best interviews - yet.
@intramotus
6 ай бұрын
incredible content. Masters degree level stuff - thank you !
@hantla
6 ай бұрын
This is one of the best podcast episodes you’ve done. Pair this with member notes: pure gold
@jayalanlife5926
6 ай бұрын
The best pod I have seen with Alex Bu
@pumpkinpie82
6 ай бұрын
What a privilege to be a fly on the wall as these two nerd out. Awesome!
@jarekbatkowski9039
2 ай бұрын
Frustrating with interruptions all the way through. Self promotion kind of thing. I stopped watching after 30min.
@ivanm9180
6 ай бұрын
What a great surprise that you found him and had him on as a guest! Thank you
@davos4268
4 ай бұрын
How polite to not simply say net 200w is the same propulsion and therefore…
@tsi2568
6 ай бұрын
I am really looking forward to the next episode(s) with Olav!
@jonasEGC
6 ай бұрын
Great podcast! But Attia is not very updated on the real W/kg values of some of the cyclist nowadays. Vingegaard and Pogacar, the 2 absolute monsters in the sport, have reached values between 6.7 and 7.1 W/kg. They even surpassed the mean values of Pantani, Armstrong, Ulrich, Indurain, etc. So far they are clean and so far they are breaking records on the historical climbs of the Tour and on other important competitions. Records that were from guys that used PEDs.
@cordeiropedro
6 ай бұрын
Just why seeing Olav's name on my notifications made me came running to KZitem. Thank you for this Peter.
@tri-bambalinas6706
6 ай бұрын
thank you both for your generosity... we want more of this… greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽✌🏽
@akdrn3624
5 ай бұрын
Is this the nerdiest interview ever? 😂
@kurthanson7522
6 ай бұрын
biggest takeaway - surfing is the single best workout a human can possibly do 🏄♂️ 🤙
@mehmetcakir4231
6 ай бұрын
This had the best ever content with a super guest who had the most outmost knowledge about the subject matter. Also I bet only ever knowledgeable Peter could have done this interview. I can’t wait for the follow up interviews. Thank you Peter.
@neerajkulkarni6506
5 ай бұрын
Great podcast. But please stop interrupting him
@domeniquedelafield1278
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for making a podcast for elite athletes. ❤🙏🏼
@peterbuckley5221
6 ай бұрын
Incredible interview As Always!
@kvk1
6 ай бұрын
Would love more technical discussions of this nature, thank you.
@parlagigaspar
5 күн бұрын
That was an amazing discussion to listen! Thank you very much, guys! Looking forward to the next session(s). :-)
@thomasdievart8710
2 ай бұрын
VO2master ....@$6000+......anything more B2C focused and realistic for general population?
@jfcfilms3883
6 ай бұрын
Pure gold ! (At least for me)
2 ай бұрын
I’m perplexed by the weird/vague/inexact/oversimplified summaries that are provided each time Peter feels like interrupting Olaf
@lukepaulson3428
6 ай бұрын
Fascinating! Thanks for this Peter!
@eamonnw
24 күн бұрын
listening to this in bed i fell asleep and was dreaming that Olav had agreed to do some coaching with me, he was gonna hook me up with a good swim coach also, was thinking about prepping to leave for Norway then i woke up
@normandtourangeau2268
6 ай бұрын
Fantastic podcast. It is just amazing to listen to the knowledge but also very humble about what we don’t know which makes the pursuit for better ourselves incredibly fascinating.
@TommySaucierPlourde0
6 ай бұрын
oh wow guys, this is so so interesting! Technical yet not burry in theory and not applicatif. Golden pod right there
@doctornesneb3955
2 ай бұрын
Actually: Distance per Time is not Velocity. It is Speed. Speed needs to have a direction to become Velocity.
@berl2003
6 ай бұрын
amazing podcast, as always good quality. I can't wait for what's next.
@MattyJTri
5 ай бұрын
This absolutely has to be a series, would love to hear discussions on all the topics listed at the end!
@endobiff
6 ай бұрын
Awesome Podcast. Could you interview Pavel Tsatsouline sometime in the future?
@RM-mx3tk
5 ай бұрын
Best podcast I've ever listened. So far. Bravissimo Peter.❤
@ktmxcw4501
6 ай бұрын
Great pod! Looking forward to the continuation🔥
@CenturyRide
5 ай бұрын
LOVED this episode. I hope you two reunite for that discussion about HRV (and Peter's other 7 pages of questions).
@stoddycarey2266
5 ай бұрын
This needs to be 3 times longer
@frohrers281
6 ай бұрын
Best pod cast on KZitem period.
@shainn2237
4 ай бұрын
you should bring chong xie on the fascia, he has some very good insights and research about the feet, fascia and the role in movement and health
@mehmetcakir4231
6 ай бұрын
I have listened this while having Av work out at my local gym. I was enjoying it so much that I wanted to inform local personal trainer who was also working out but unfortunately and regrettably he did not know who Peter Attia was.. so disappointed!!
@natew4489
6 ай бұрын
This was amazing! Intense levels of nuance happening here!! I am curious about reaching breathing limits by running and pedaling versus doing squats or picking up a heavy weight. Pick up a big weight once every 45 seconds for an hour versus pedal at .8 RPE for an hour. Imagine heart rate is kept at same number of total beats over that hour. This was brushed upon regarding pedaling in bursts vs continuous. More simply - muscle fiber types versus VO2 max? Are hybrid fibers associated with longevity? Thanks for your amazing combination of interview skills and guest technical expertise.
@richardreocreux1141
5 ай бұрын
your best video - extremely well formulated and analyzed - definitely top end of performance nerd - thank you
@kwilj
6 ай бұрын
Is VO2 Master a public company?! Hopefully Peter and Friends will order enough for the price to be cut in half in a year or so! 😂
@Ummonchinable
5 ай бұрын
The discussion around the 56-59 minute mark should be part of the second edition of your book.
@cosbro5389
6 ай бұрын
This episode is equivalent to an oscar 😀
@andrepohlann
6 ай бұрын
Great podcast! For me one of your best and I know most of them. You ask the right question and you are specific in asking. Thanks a lot. Well spend 2,5 hours.
@hansschenker
6 ай бұрын
Now Peter wants to go high! Next will be Christian Blumenfeldt!
@Eirikkinserdal
6 ай бұрын
If the CDA is the same and power is the same, wouldn't the last variables be weight and weather conditions?
@domeniquedelafield1278
2 ай бұрын
❤Looking forward to round 2.
@hardlylast
6 ай бұрын
Get John welbourn on good friend of dr parsley former nfl vet and trains the top heavyweight jiu jitsu competitors currently
@cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855
5 ай бұрын
God dam dude you got Blummenfelt's coach and not even hint at it in the title. Have to rewatch the podcast, the dude is outputting so much valuable info
@beyondtraining_
4 ай бұрын
Priceless episode 👏! The guest still has so much to say...it's incrible!
@catherinemaddux241
6 ай бұрын
Question for both: I’m looking for a new fitness tracker that accurately measures Vo2… would much appreciate your recommendations. Thank you!
@raunefare
6 ай бұрын
Have seen some KZitemrs testing their vo2 max in a lab and with a garmin watch and it pretty close. And even the old school vo2 running test will bring you pretty close. Even if it’s higher or lower the most important is to see if you’re improving 👌
@patrickf2386
6 ай бұрын
Yes, Garmin is pretty accurate for me. But you can quite easily back test this yourself with just a stop watch and do a 12 minute Cooper-test on a track or on do 20 minute test uphill on a bicycle with an accurate powermeter.
@mj8482
6 ай бұрын
I just had my Vo2 measured in a lab and it was exactly the same as my Garmin measurement.
2 ай бұрын
@@patrickf2386I can’t see how a Cooper test would give you your vo2max 😅
@HkFinn83
6 ай бұрын
Understanding vo2max and it’s centrality to health and longevity really is the keys to the kingdom.
@luislodi4626
4 ай бұрын
thanks for trying to make this conversation the most accessible for the crowd, peter
@johnbrown2030
6 ай бұрын
Best podcast to date !
@nooahchannel
6 ай бұрын
It is good to hear Olav, but 2 hours 47 minutes is way too long.
@Nando_lifts2021
6 ай бұрын
Half His family died, how sad. Anyone know more about this?
@stuartallington7046
6 ай бұрын
He discusses it on the RichRoll podcast
@Nando_lifts2021
6 ай бұрын
@@stuartallington7046 thank you
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
They died in a helicopter crash.
@Schlauchy
6 ай бұрын
What are your guys main takeaways from this episode? As a non native speaker I had trouble getting the main points for a normal dude looking for longevity
@davidgrimes4726
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, there is not that much practical advice that the average exerciser could take from this. Basically Olav recommended playing with different intervals lengths and look at maximizing total power over a session, as opposed to always using same interval. Some interesting physiology discussed here, but not highly applicable outside of competitive cycling.
@Schlauchy
6 ай бұрын
Thanks. Very helpful!
@joemoya9743
6 ай бұрын
@davidgrimes4726 If you don't understand the basics of the conversation, it appears to be less practical. But, the reality is it is a gold mine of multi-faceted applications in practical terms. But, you are correct, it is not dumbed down.
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
Just do more zone two training and VO2 max is also dependent on weight so if you lose the extra weight it will also increase. A last point is that your training load shouldn’t be larger than you can sustain it for months or even years. Consistency wins.
@kevinburola889
5 ай бұрын
A variety of intervals and intensities is what raises VO2 max but Zone 2 compliments that and is also required.
@newbe46
4 ай бұрын
Nice IKEA chair
@bobwilliams9061
5 ай бұрын
I understand about 20% of this discussion but it's a game-changer as one who recently became very interested in VO2 Max for health reasons - well done Peter.
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
VO2 max is calculated by weight and oxygen so if you’re overweight losing the extra weight will increase it alone.
@Southwestmade
6 ай бұрын
Atria you’re a fuvkin grump❤
@liamconneely2042
6 ай бұрын
i could listen to these 2 for hours. so interesting
@TheKevindj360
6 ай бұрын
Hey Peter, I love your videos. The algorithm might be more kind if you schedule your uploads for about 9am eastern. Not sure why but the algorithm likes it.
@meryaz8961
6 ай бұрын
Great interview 👍What is the name of the device to measure your VO2max ,could you please write it down🙏Thank you
@krismajowicz8069
6 ай бұрын
Vo2Master....$6,295 plus servicing. Not for avarage Joe who maybe should be walking instead running 😅
@krismajowicz8069
6 ай бұрын
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7523887/
@Interceptor
6 ай бұрын
@@krismajowicz8069 As Olav alluded to, it will be democratized (i.e. come down in price) during the next 5-10 years, though.
@tengrisherpa4517
5 ай бұрын
Vo2max is not the best predictor for preformance. No one of them have any high preformance background.
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
Eh… Gustav and Kristian is top elite.
@tengrisherpa4517
5 ай бұрын
@@ketle369 They have been training sens 5 years old, no party no woman. Very adapted mitocondria. Its not because Olav is so smart or even worse Peter Attia, they just want to make money 😂😂
@Marc-gregory
5 ай бұрын
Norwegians go deep
@anthonysei
6 ай бұрын
One of the best episodes...
@jennakericson
6 ай бұрын
Just black box it
@mediamx6574
6 ай бұрын
wow, what a great episode
@Aldorains
5 ай бұрын
Sweet pajamas
@bergerlab8128
6 ай бұрын
Power is the King!
@kensai7
6 ай бұрын
Great talk! Let's work on our VO2 max now! 🫁
@Shakedown24Seven
6 ай бұрын
Does anyone know if creatine will help improve vo2max given an appropriate training regiment?
@SennaMadeF1
6 ай бұрын
No, not really at all.
@ashdgee
5 ай бұрын
No
@joakimbengtsson7450
6 ай бұрын
This is soo cool!
@harrywebster6752
6 ай бұрын
Wow!
@stoempert
6 ай бұрын
Very interesting
@gabebinversie4902
6 ай бұрын
Olav!!!
@unknownKnownunknowns
6 ай бұрын
For Anyone crunched for time, how about a summary?
@batporio
6 ай бұрын
summary is - find time to watch the entire episode, its pure gold.
@unknownKnownunknowns
6 ай бұрын
not helpful@@batporio Have a great day
@RandomAvatar168
6 ай бұрын
Peter’s declining ambitions and expectations sadden me. When this podcast started, he talked with excitement about ideas for reversing aging and improving performance at things he loved. Now he’s talking about working an hour or two a day for thirty years, not for the joy of exercise or the things it lets him do, but to be marginally less atrophied at 90. That said, Peter conveys great information and I'd obviously rather he be honest about his evolving views than tell optimistic lies.
@WhatInTheActualHealth
6 ай бұрын
This just in… there is an unsubscribe option!
@jnic2165
6 ай бұрын
Did you listen to Peter's intro ? He literally says how "excited and enthusiastic " he is about this subject lol
@Ryan.G.Spalding
5 ай бұрын
It’s just a change of focus. His career is 📈 and he loves spending time with his family. You can’t achieve all of that and spend 4 hours a day on a long run, bike, or swim. Me being late 30’s it actually warms my heart to see someone that close to balance. That’s the real 🏔️ achievement.
@joemoya9743
5 ай бұрын
Hmmm... Attia has never advocated the reversing of aging. He has always thought that age reversing is the wrong parameter to define improving quality of life. But, he has interviewed people who do think that the reversing (or slowing) of aging is viable. He thinks the best approach to longevity is defined by performance improved through training and not pills or supplements.
@ownerdirector
6 ай бұрын
I'm lost.
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
Not to worry. They are talking about fine tuning a Formula One car. You’re in comparison a twenty year old Toyota. There’s a lot do be done before you reach this level.
@ryankeels4661
6 ай бұрын
I've been trying the descending ladder VO2 intervals that came out of the study at Florida State. I've been doing 3m/2/1/45s/30s x 20 intervals at close to my 5min power max (93%) with 2/3rds rate recovery... I've been sensing what Peter what alluding to that the intervals aren't long enough to fully tax the respiratory system although during the 20 rounds of 30sec I feel my legs getting really fatigued
@dfinma
6 ай бұрын
0:33 This is me. I have excellent heart and lungs (h-u-g-e lung capacity) and I have had serious illnesses and I have chronic condiditions.
@oscarovanger1979
6 ай бұрын
Love the dynamic between these two! If Olav is not held back he will go on crazy tangents. Peter brings him right back on topic, and summarizes the information so neatly. Need more of these!!
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
To clarify: If you’re an amateur who’s never going to be a pro one day this is way too complicated for you to do. Just ride more slow sessions to increase your training load over time. Second VO2max is also calculated on weight, so if you are overweight simply losing the extra weight will increase it.
@ketle369
5 ай бұрын
Don’t be sad if you don’t understand. What they are talking about is fine-tuning a Formula One car. You are in comparison a twenty year old Toyota.
@jafonster
4 ай бұрын
Too technical. Seems geared for extreme, overtraining Triathletes. IMHO
@nichtsistkostenlos6565
6 ай бұрын
"Basically"
@bryceherring946
6 ай бұрын
Wrong...grip strength (strength and muscle) is a far more superior indicator of longevity vs anything aerobic, your muscles your strength and your physical grip strength, your ability to get up, to pick something up, move something heavy, is the number one indicator against all cause mortality and for long term longevity, I see way too many skinny and frail snowflakes who are busy running and walking and running and walking yet are physically lacking in any sort of upper body muscle and strength because they ignore strength based activities and rely only on the exaggerated cardio myth, it's the runners look with pale face and low muscle mass (skinny fat) with no grip strength, these are the same kind of people who will neglect strength training as they age instead opting for everything aerobic based and then they can't lift the heavy rock that accidently falls on them when running or hiking.
@MarkusWaas
6 ай бұрын
Check out 'AMA #27: The importance of muscle mass, strength, and cardiorespiratory fitness for longevity' where he analyzed this and came to the conclusion that VO2 max seems to be more important. But that doesn't mean strength is not important of course.
@Eirikkinserdal
6 ай бұрын
Both is important.
@meryaz8961
6 ай бұрын
The best approach for longevity is a mix of both,so no use to have a high VO2max if you have no strength and no use to have a lot of muscle mass if the engine has no power and your cardiovascular system is in bad shape
@Re3iRtH
6 ай бұрын
Like other episodes they are confusing the difference between correlation and causality. People who tend to live longer.It's because of their genetics and it's their genetics that allows them to have a high VO2m. Close to zero percent of centenarians are or were athletes.
@Interceptor
6 ай бұрын
@@Re3iRtH How many percent of the population in general are athletes who also keep their vo2max high until they die?
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