I have A6600 and the A7IV, I enjoy shooting landscape and bird photography. Despite the advantage of low light for full frame, I'm constantly taking my A6600 for birding trips and landscape photography. Being a lighter setup enables me to be less "scary" looking holding a big camera/lens. I can say its true that the full frame is not 2 or 3 times better, maybe just 20 to 30 % better, usually in iso performance. As such I'm now considering very seriously to sell all my full frame and go back to apsc (A6600 + A6700)
@SilatShooter
3 жыл бұрын
I have both and I reach for the A6400 with the Sigma trio setup more often due to the size and weight advantage and the results are soo close. You helped me realize that. Another great video and service for the community. Thank you!
@inquisitvem6723
Жыл бұрын
I find the Apsc Fuji cameras better than the Sony apsc ones. Socc are better with color science fantastic. I would buy Fuji over Sony.
@DennisDey
Жыл бұрын
I have been considering upgrading from a6400 to a7iii to move to full frame. Is it a significant upgrgade?
@inquisitvem6723
Жыл бұрын
@@DennisDey do it. A7iii only like $1,700
@SilatShooter
Жыл бұрын
@@DennisDey Yes and no, definitely a difference after ISO 3200 but noise reduction software like DXO has gotten soo good at reducing noise making it less of an issue. There's more background blur with shorter focal lengths with FF but the lenses are more expensive. So there's give and take.
@3dpuccio
3 жыл бұрын
Every time I get trapped in sales or full-frame love youtube videos, I come back to your channel and take my A6500 and go out so happy to take some shots. Thank you for another great video 🙌
@michaelcarr2466
5 ай бұрын
I also have the 6500 with my friends encouraging me to buy the A7iii. I think I'll stick with what I have. Glad to read your comment.
@ohmartinbronson
3 жыл бұрын
What an incredible value in the sigma 56mm. That might just be the next lens I purchase. Great analysis, thank you!
@ElBoyoElectronico
3 жыл бұрын
So true, I had one for my Canon M50 and I still miss it to this day.
@surja17
3 жыл бұрын
I think there are a few points to highlight here: APSC f1.4 is equivalent to full-frame f2.1 in terms of bokeh - therefore the background separation is significantly different in my opinion. Also, most of the shots you took were around ISO 100. Full frame widens the gap from crop sensor at higher ISO values ..... the one scenarios where you had higher ISO values - the full-frame at ISO8000 was significantly better than the APS-C at ISO6400. These may be the deciding factors for a lot of people and therefore should be highlighted properly.
@stephanweiskorn6760
Жыл бұрын
How often do you really use such high ISO numbers?
@nachot6592
Жыл бұрын
This just makes it clear that you only NEED full frame when you are focusing on night photography.
@alansach8437
Жыл бұрын
All true. On the other hand, the additional "reach" of a high resolution APS-C camera (like the Canon R7) might be just what you need for capturing shy little songbirds. Not only does the 1.6 "crop factor" get you "closer " with the same lens, but the high megapixel density (higher than the R5) will allow you to crop additionally in post. Also, APS-C is a fine economical choice for documenting family outings, vacations etc. There is no universal "right" choice.
@isblijkbaarnodig
4 ай бұрын
If I’m correct this is untrue. Crop factor has no effect on aperture. So a 56mm f1.4 lens on APSC has similar depth of field and bokeh effect as a 85mm f1.4 lens on full frame. Feel free to educate me because I don’t know the physics that would prove either way.
@Dastreum
24 күн бұрын
@@isblijkbaarnodig Bokeh is still impacted as we can see from the video. Bokeh is combination of parameter - Aperture (same of both - 1.4) - The focal length of the lenses (different - 56 vs 85) (Even if FOV with the crop is the same) - Distance from the subject (Same as the lense with the 1.5x crop have the same Field of view - FOV So IMHO, I would say a 56mm f1.4 lens on APSC should be closer to the bokeh of 56mm f1.4 on FF (positioned at the same distance from the subject) The FF would have a wider FOV and the subject would seems to be futher away. but the amount of bokeh should be similar Test would be needed
@davect01
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video and comparison. APS-C's have gotten so good that the differences are minimal until pushed to the extremes where F.F. has the edge. If you are a pro, go F.F. without question. However, for casual weekend Dad shooters like me, APS-C is an amazing package. My A6400 has served me well and I have no need to go F.F. Both those 85mm and 56mm are outstanding lenses.
@satchrocks34
3 жыл бұрын
"APS-C's have gotten so good that the differences are minimal until pushed to the extremes where F.F. has the edge." Absolutely! Especially in terms of super high dynamic range situations and low light/high iso situations. I don't know how the A6400 and the newer versions of sony aps-c function in the real world, but in situations where my lighting is sufficient and controlled, its incredibly difficult to tell the difference between my a6000 and a7iii. Especially if not using a higher end prime on the a7iii, there are times where the crop sensor camera performs better. However, in situations where i need to significantly bring down highlights, bring up shadows, or use a higher ISO, the a7iii blows my a6000 outta the water. Noise is much more well controlled and looks better (less color noise) and have used shots at like 12,000 ISO where there is no way i could have with my a6000. With things like cost and weight factored in, I almost feel like I coulda just kept using my crop sensor camera with quality lighting, instead of spending the money on a new FF camera and much more expensive glass. Having a joystick is a lifesaver for me though
@MrSka7cis
3 жыл бұрын
Well said, I share the sentiment. If pro (or a spare few $1k around), go FF. Otherwise, APSC is adequate. I fall in the APSC. That being said, I still dream of getting a FF set-up (just lacking the extra $)....one-day
@SkilledSpark
3 жыл бұрын
I have been using the 56mm and a6100 combo for over a year now, the images it produces are incredible and in my opinion the best value one can get, great video!
@olivershutterspeed
3 жыл бұрын
I love the Sigma 56mm for my Sony a6000 photoshoot behind the scenes!
@godson8559
11 ай бұрын
i feel like my man is just admiring his wife in many of the clips lol
@Mike-qo8nm
19 күн бұрын
As he should she let's him buy all these toys
@MrSka7cis
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review. I mostly simply take family photos of course non-professionally. I have an APSC set up but youtube videoes make me dream of a full-frame. However, I will simply save the money for something like a house.
@carrywu
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't regret buying the 56mm. It's a beast of a lens.
@satchrocks34
3 жыл бұрын
That was my favourite crop sensor lens by quite a bit. So damn sharp
@penguin_edits
3 жыл бұрын
same here man, i got it as a gift and its been producing bangers ever since
@tappedurmom9739
3 жыл бұрын
I like the sigma 105mm for my a7iii and like you said I'm not a fan of the noise on the smaller sensor. Limits my ability at night. So it's a no brainer for me. But you better start lifting some weights to Lug around that Sigma 105 mm
@donquique1
3 жыл бұрын
I have the 56 but enjoy the 16 way more. I find the 56 impractical in most situations but is very sharp too.
@penguin_edits
3 жыл бұрын
@@donquique1 i always have the 16mm and love it too. i have to say it gives a very interesting look to a photo yk
@AJ-ds5gf
3 жыл бұрын
I love, love the sony a6000 and I bought it 3 years ago based on your videos. What I would love from you, as I choose my next camera, is to compare photos taken only at night. I'm going Tokyo and would love to take bokeh pictures in lower light conditions which is why I'm thinking of getting the A7C but not sure if the full frame is worth it. Please do a video on the same camera comparison but with night photography.
@valentinfrei6054
3 жыл бұрын
well maybe you could borrow an a7c for your trip and decide afterwards?
@AJ-ds5gf
3 жыл бұрын
@@valentinfrei6054 good idea. Can I borrow yours?
@valentinfrei6054
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I don"t have one, sorry 😋 I Was thinking to rent one for money
@PhoonBucgeneMY
3 жыл бұрын
I think using the sigma trio will eliminate any issue for night photography
@Giovanniram22
3 жыл бұрын
@Oh hi I don't think that it is so simple.
@guyjordan8201
2 жыл бұрын
After watching my A7R2 rapidly fall behind more recent generations I am now pursuing APSC lenses to round out my kit. Cropped mode on my camera gives 18MP, which is adequate if we are honest, so I appreciate your emphasis on APSC Sony options. Good video, I like the results from the 56mm a lot.
@travelvidya833
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the tangible advantage full frame has, is how much better it does in low light. If shooting in great light, your setup matters far less.
@a55tech
3 жыл бұрын
iPhone portrait tricks can hang w/ them in good light too, at least for social media
@carrywu
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's the concept of photography, drawing with light. The more light you have, the easier it is to get better picture.
@PhullyNo1
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, 100 percent. It’s worth it IF you’re the type of person that needs it.
@SkymenKing
3 жыл бұрын
Here is the same Aperture, for the same Aperture, same ISO. The brightness must be the same, the only different is the number of pixel. For those reason that the photo is better because of retified by the internal computer, iphone instead of camera is a better choice for you.
@kiyoshim9593
3 жыл бұрын
WOW YOU DISCOVERED HOW TO COOK CUP RAMEN.
@shadowshapers
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make the side by side comparison. I think this will help me justify the lens purchases before I step into a full frame body.
@chicken_person
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, as was shown in the video and what a lot of people are saying in the comments, low light is definitely the huge difference here. As somebody whose favorite genre is astrophotography, low light performance is among the most important aspects of a camera. I started with the a6000 and Rokinon 12mm f/2.0, but once I had the budget to move to an a7s and Rokinon 18mm f/2.8 the difference was incredible, and that difference increased even more once I got the Sony 20mm f/1.8. Only big downside of the a7s is that autofocus is garbage, but I *still* like to use the a7s more for action shots (sports) regardless, because it just functions so much better in low light situations. I use my a6000 for basketball sometimes, because it's closer-up than when I shoot soccer and so I can use the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8, but for most of the rest it's worth dealing with the crappy AF. It just means I have to be more careful about timing, since continuous AF + burst shooting is unbelievably terrible.
@zeropain9319
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, thanks for doing this comparison. I'm on the fence to upgrade to full frame, but after seeing this, I'm going to keep my A6000 and my Sigma 56. I can see how lucky I am to have them and no need for spending another $2K. I do think the full frame is better, but not for my needs. This was a video I never imagined I needed, so well done, thank you for doing this!
@oddtechman
3 жыл бұрын
I suppose the crazy question here is .. did you try the 85mm on the aps-c at all during the time testing just as a "what if" ?
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
I have - Ive taken a few hundred photos with the Sigma 85mm on my A6100 and its a performer. I was thinking about reviewing it on APSC but not sure yet.
@oddtechman
3 жыл бұрын
@@ArthurR Would be very curious to see the results on a video for sure!
@davideberhardt4977
2 жыл бұрын
Great comparisons. The APS-C is definitely a good camera matched with the Sigma. I would NOT spend the extra on the A7C and expensive lens. One might think that people would not want really really sharp portraits anyway, right? One observation I had was that I was amazed how your wife was able to duplicate her poses. you can tell when your kid is in the shots cause he is looking at different places in his shots but your wife isn't. Very professional!
@COMEDYiNSiDE
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha. You are rightly so... You are spot on...
@dragonfist25
3 жыл бұрын
I liked the colors better sometimes on the aps-c but the bokeh looked noticeably better on the full-frame. If you have the money go with the full-frame but I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with the aps-c setup.
@dragonfist25
2 жыл бұрын
@@JL-fh4qw Just close down the aperture then.
@Jobitto07
2 жыл бұрын
long life APS-C ! thanks for another great video. Happy 2022 to you and your whole family. Blessings
@boukou
3 жыл бұрын
The cost savings continue to add up as you introduce additional lenses, too. The Sony 70-350mm, Tamron 17-70mm, Tamron 11-20mm, Sony 10-18mm, and the Sigma Trio (16, 30, & 56mm)…all far cheaper than full frame equivalent lenses. So, as you build out your collection of lenses, the cost savings will continue to grow. If you have the money, or you’re making enough income off your work, then go full frame or even medium format (if you’re really making the big bucks). Otherwise, APSC has come a long way.
@TechnoBabble
3 жыл бұрын
Most of the equivalent lenses are the same price or slightly more expensive. The Tamron 11-20 f/2.8 isn't much less than a 16-35 f/4, which has the benefit of OIS. The Sigma 56mm f/1.4 is currently $430USD and the Sony 85mm f/1.8 is $550 but lets in more total light on a full frame sensor, the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is $290 and the Sony 50mm f/1.8 is $250, the Sigma 16mm is the notable exception as the cheapest first party option for Sony is the 24mm f/1.8 Zeiss T* at double the price.
@runhardhooah
2 жыл бұрын
I actually have the 70-350 on the way as we speak. Should show up on Tuesday so I can get some crisp mountain goat shots. And one thing that I like about the APSC line is they will only improve, unless Sony ditches it altogether, which seems highly unlikely. After all, imo, they have to beat out the Fujifilm XT4 if they're a serious camera brand.
@jml7916
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison but, FF can be done much cheaper and for more reasons than you might think. I will compare your $1000 setup to my $1200 Sony FF setup and why I chose it and what I miss. First of all, Sony A7ii with Sony 85mm f/1.8. Yes the lens is slower but still faster (more bokeh) if you convert the aperture. I think this is a better, more interesting comparison than the A7c with a very pricey Art lens. Advantages A7ii for me. -Much larger and brighter EVF -EVF in the centre which as a left eye shooter is so much better -2 control dials for manual shooting -IBIS -Magnesium build and better ergonomics (more buttons lol) -Better dynamic range and low light performance (not my main reason) Advantage A6100 -Lighter and smaller -fantastic eye AF, better AF all around (I do wish I had this) -faster shot rate -Usually cheaper and lighter lenses for the same job. -Better video (I have yet to use any of my cameras to shoot video) I chose the A7ii for the IBIS, low light but mainly build and ergonomics for me. I use 3 lenses with it, Tamron 28-200 f/2.8-5.6, Sony 85 f/1.8 and Sony 50 f/1.8. It is my carry everywhere do everything camera.
@ToolsElectroDIY
Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison video, you have the best Sony lens reviews on YT!
@antalgabor
3 жыл бұрын
Best comparison between APSC vs FF on youtube. APSC FTW!
@tarunsharma5254
3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Arthur
@rexn1589
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison Arthur! Thank you.
@PurposefulPantomime
3 жыл бұрын
I love the concept for this video before even watching it.
@jg_jgjg
3 жыл бұрын
The colors between the two are interesting. Sometimes I like the skin tones on the A7c, and then other times the a6100. I currently shoot an a6600 with the Sigma 56mm. Good stuff as always Arthur!
@peoplez129
3 жыл бұрын
It's a trick. He's changing the white balances to try to throw people off, and obviously people gravitate to the warmer white balances as better. But all he's doing is crippling one image to make the other look more preferable. At 1:1 with the same white balance, the full frame wins every time. So he's trying to equivocate white balance to distract from image quality, as if the white balance changing means that the image quality must not be a big enough difference. But since we see color and contrast in colors, bad color rendering can naturally make a superior quality image look bad in comparison. But once you account for if the full frame wasn't crippled by a thrown off white balance, it would always edge out.
@emilolguin3087
3 жыл бұрын
The colors between the two are the result of a couple items not being addressed. The 85mm lens being longer will require the light to travel a bit further, therefore, there's about a 1/3 f/stop difference. You notice it the most when the shutter speeds and iso are the same, the 85mm will appear more saturated in color. On some of the shots where the colors are more equal, the shutter data on the 85mm lens reads about 1/3 slower or the iso will be higher by 30% to compensate for the light loss. Both lenses produce beautiful images and would certainly be an asset in anyone's camera kit.
@ikaustralia
3 жыл бұрын
Try Canon for skin tone and you will be blown away in comparison to Sony.
@JacobInzerillo
2 жыл бұрын
@@peoplez129 a 9:45 he says that all the images are straight out of camera with no editing.
@Primifluous
Жыл бұрын
@@peoplez129 it's not a trick, it's AWB being different between cameras.
@cvbattum
3 жыл бұрын
Here's a little fun fact: technically, full frame does not produce better bokeh. Practically, it almost always does. If you get this Sigma 85mm, you'll have the same exact bokeh on APS-C as you do on full frame. However, the amount of background blur (not the quality) depends on how far away you're focussed. Because of the crop, you need to be further away from your subject to fill the frame in the same way as on full frame. Being further away means you'll focus further away, so you get less bokeh. But if you're focussed at 50cm on full frame and 50cm on APS-C, you'll get the same bokeh!
@a55tech
3 жыл бұрын
TIL!
@jamesjackson4264
3 жыл бұрын
That is correct but like you said to get the same perspective you have to step back. So in the real world you do get less bokeh in most circumstances. Plus the compression. An 56mm is a 56m. Not matter what crop you get. An 85mm is an 85mm no matter what.
@sanderbos
3 жыл бұрын
I feel this is the same as saying that a 24mm lens can get you the same shot of a bird as a 800mm lens, "all you have to do" with the 24mm lens is get superclose to the bird but otherwise you get the same picture. For the same composition you have to use a much wider aperture on a smaller sensor to get the bokeh, so a big with a lens with a very wide aperture on full frame cannot be trumped by an aps-c camera in the bokeh-fuzzyness department.
@Crusaderhun
3 жыл бұрын
From the numbers perspective you are correct. But the most important detail was left out. If I perfectly frame a subject for a portrait photoshoot with a 56mm FF, it is physically impossible to take the picture from the same distance with apsc 56mm due to the crop factor. Therefore I have to step back, and bokeh is reduced. It’s that simple. Full frame’s main advantage is that its wider
@a55tech
3 жыл бұрын
more night & low lights tests pls
@ocker2000
3 жыл бұрын
Those Sigma lenses do make a huge difference compared to "other" lenses. I had better start saving to get that 56mm Sigma! Great video. Thx.
@classicboy97
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's important to point out that the composition of the images are just as important as the body/lens setup; if you're a hobbyist and just like taking pictures where the only thing that matters is the sharpness of the subject in center, then the APS-C setup with the 56mm is perfect for you. The 56mm DC DN is seriously so sharp and such a steal at that price point. However, if you're doing professional paid work, and the "bluriness" of the background is just as important as the subject, then you need to get the full frame setup. That 85mm Art lens is obviously just as sharp as the 56mm (if not sharper in some instances) but comes with the advantage of having more depth of field than the APS-C lens. There were a couple of times when Arthur thought the 56mm was sharper than the 85mm, but that's because the 56mm f1.4 equates to about an 84mm f2.1's depth of field (not light gathering capabilities) in full-frame terms, meaning more of the subject will be in focus. Is it worth the extra $800 just to get a little more depth of field if you're a hobbyist or just casually taking photos? Of course not. But when the whole image matters for paying clients, then that extra creamy background blur from the full-frame setup will be worth the investment. Equally important to note is that when you start stopping down both lens to f4.0 or 5.6, then the difference of background blur and sharpness becomes moot because both lens perform admirably in terms of corner-to-corner sharpness. If you don't need the background blur or bokeh in the kind of photography that you shoot, such as landscape, studio photography or real estate, save yourself the money and get the aps-c setup since you'll probably be shooting around those aperture settings anyways.
@irondiver2034
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate these videos so much. Hardly any channels really go with in depth comparisons between FF and crop cameras. They always overtly or subtly trying to push FF. I am willing to bet that 95% or more the people would never notice the difference. Save the money and use it for travel or other things.
@benuovir
3 жыл бұрын
With post production, I think either would work with wedding photography. Not often are raw images sold as final product. Just my opinion
@Grumpygrumpo
2 жыл бұрын
yeah modern apsC can do professional work too. full frame is mere hype and overkill at this point. for the size and price it demands, its not that much better than apsC; most of the time they look close enough some light editing can pick up the slack. and unless you're cropping a lot, or have some other niche ass use case, apsC is the smart choice
@dakunclear
3 жыл бұрын
The thing for me which I noticed is the low light performance since I do take more photos at night upgrading from my A6000 to the Sony A7III was a good idea plus doing time-lapse is much easier on the A7III. Mind you the upgrade from the a6000 to the a7III was a massive leap all in all so it made more sense for me.
@chrisd1903
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Your comparisons are really good (side by side, zooming really close in). I like that you do comparisons between lenses/ bodies where others would say "you cant compare Apples with peaches". But i liked all FF Shots better, mostly because of the bokeh, and then the so much better low light quality. But to be honest, i am even less than a hobbiest and the 1k for a6400 and sel35f1.8 hurt me (not reqlly finanziellly, but because of reasoning) - so spending 3x the money would not let me sleep, regardless of the better quality.
@gabrielsandu2718
2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much Arthur for showcasing so many sample pictures side by side! In 2024 it's really hard to decide if with 2k someone should buy APSC and a cornucopia of lenses or buy one of the cheaper FF 😅 for family / travel with small primes, but thankfully I also do only 99.9% family photos that we only print 3x2" or share to grandparents so I'm glad you help us all understand our use cases better 😂
@MrSmith-dt7bs
2 жыл бұрын
Long time watcher of your videos and this one just saved me some serious cash. Thank you for the comparison, truly perfect video.
@CloudSpecter
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison, thanks!
@francissosing
3 жыл бұрын
Really like this review. I really enjoy my APSC especially for its form factor and that lenses overall are less expensive. I shoot with the Fuji XS-10. Keep up the great work and going against the grain on KZitem. 🙌
@PatrickWithCamera
3 жыл бұрын
Got a6100+56mm and im happy with it, but in this video I see that FF + Sigma Art is a lot better, not only skin tones, shades, colors but even sharpness! If I see it in blurred and compressed YT video then in RAW it will be even more difference, this comparison makes me want to buy FF! If I were professional I would not hesitate and insta buy A7C + sigma 85 atm cause its huge upgrade.
@Openbaffle
3 жыл бұрын
superb comparison, i will retain my apsc set up.
@yaelsoto2742
3 жыл бұрын
There are differences in sharpness but because of the lens used and not because of the aps c sensor. if we put the same objective in aps c there will be no differences. where if there are many differences it is in the price. Aps c and full frame in price is a huge difference and in my opinion it is not worth spending so much since this sony a7c is a complete decal of the a6600 💁🏻♂️. Excellent video greetings 👍🏼😄
@louismeluso8633
3 жыл бұрын
Good comparison. The A7C has eye focus- advantage. Has better Bokeh- advantage. Lower noise-advantage. Better color science- advantage.
@gordon3988
3 жыл бұрын
Actually preferred most of the APSC photos; on a technical side the FF likely best, but this is KZitem and its more about how it looks on a smaller screen. Both were nice and regardless very close. Well done!
@stefanterbekke8506
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arthur, thanks. Main thing I am wondering about is that ff versus aps-c will not matter that much during the day, but if you use it during the evening and night, there is a major difference. I owned the A6000 and A6600 and currently own the Sony A7RIV (bit unfair, major difference in detail). I also noticed that the dynamic range is much better with ff (i.e. while shooting directly into the sun).
@Markyroson
3 жыл бұрын
The A7RIV is definitely the way to go...the problem is that it is about 5k just for the body here lol
@bayern1806
Жыл бұрын
Yes it's a common thing to do portrait photography at night 😂 Dude you missed the point of the video.
@vvlad78
2 жыл бұрын
Great job, Arthur! As always :) It could be interesting to compare the same cameras in video mode. I guess 4k and especially 1080p will be better on ff, but how big will be the difference?
@דובבגוליגר
3 жыл бұрын
How about more photos when there is much less natural light? For example indoors
@kiyoshim9593
3 жыл бұрын
He should have compared an iphone 12. With his sneaky reviews the iphone would have more detail than these
@haridj8532
2 жыл бұрын
That’s absolutely an easy win for full frame. Full frame is king in low light
@bayern1806
Жыл бұрын
Disappointed with your purchase?
@Jim_Mundy
3 жыл бұрын
Really great comparison. I'm right at the decision point to replace my setup after selling my Canon 7D kit a while back. I as SURE Sony full frame (in fact the A7C) was going to be where I went. But this gives me pause and that's not a bad thing! Thanks for this great content.
@dummatube
2 жыл бұрын
To accurately compare the bokeh ‘appearance’ between full frame and APS-C images you also need to multiply the aperture value by 1.5x. Our 56mm f/1.2 is the full frame equivalent of an 84mm f/1.8 lens. But don’t panic it still provides the light transmission value of a f/1.2 aperture!
@DivByZer0
Жыл бұрын
You don’t say, Captain Obvious! Everyone knows this, Arthur, too….
@Popcorn_0
3 жыл бұрын
As far as i know there is no ibis in 6100, did you use tripod while taking these photos? A6100 with sigma 56 looks really sharp!
@Joh146
2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks. Im impressed of the capabilities of the Sigma 56 1.4 and Sony A6400 Combo. That´s more than enough for a hobby photographer.
@rvnmedic2709
2 жыл бұрын
That was the best comparison I've seen yet. Honest and concise. Thanks.
@electrichimp
3 жыл бұрын
Fullframe can get really expensive, but I don’t think you lose too much going for f1.8 lenses, which are priced similarly to aps-c lenses but offer more light while keeping a small profile closer to aps-c
@brynocerouss
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I have the Sony 85mm 1.8 which was really affordable used and is just perfect for portraits
@a55tech
3 жыл бұрын
for ppl sticking to 1 body, telephoto becomes massively bulkier when going telephoto
@zacharymoran7596
3 жыл бұрын
I myself have been using the 85mm f/1.8 (amazing sharpness), the 20mm f/1.8 (my favorite lens hands down), and the 35mm f/1.8 (it’s alright). Bought them used, but even new that’s $1996 in lenses. They’re all very small, compact lenses that are just pleasant to use. The 85mm f/1.4, 24mm f/1.4, and 35mm f/1.4 G Master lenses are currently going to set you back $4300. They’re much larger lenses, and cost considerably more. That 85mm in particular is pretty chunky
@jml7916
2 жыл бұрын
I have the Sony 85 and 50 in f/1.8. I also have the Tamron 35 f/2.8 and 28-200. The 85 is amazing, the 50 is OK but slow to focus. The 35 is insanely sharp and the 28-200 blows my mind for a super zoom. I carry the zoom and the 50 in a tiny shoulder bag smaller than my wife’s purse. It’s always in the truck ready to go. It’s a great setup.
@jonoy4375
3 жыл бұрын
This is a very meaningful comparison
@ruben378
3 жыл бұрын
Can you please try the Sigma 85 on APS-C. Great video!👍
@parmanduke
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing results. Wow the sharpness of the 85mm f1.4 towards the end was mind blowing. Great stuff and similar to what others have gotten. Wow that 56mm f1.4 is amazing too. I love Sigma lenses.
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
Easy recommendations. The Sigma 85mm Art is significantly better than any other 85mm Ive tried.
@rickymcc8624
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arthur Thanks for an informative video. I agree it's easy to get swayed by hype that bigger is better. There is logic and science behind bigger sensors being better, however that comes at a cost. You demonstrate that for many/most APSC is more than good enough. Indeed extrapolating the argument, I can see why for many (eg my wife) that a smaller sensor phone is all the camera they need. Certainly that's a position born out by sales and user data nowadays. Your pics of a photogenic wife and son, demonstrate reason enough why anyone should consider learning how to use a good quality camera. I'm old enough now to have become a 'photo nut' in the days of film. I well remember the days I lusted after a Hassleblad on the basis that "a good bigun beats a littlun anyday". I have shot 645 and 67 roll film with a lovely Mamyia RZ - amazing quality but incredible bulk and cost. Digital is so much more convenient. Nowadays anyone prepared to spend a little money and time to practice can become a reasonable photographer. It's still down to physics though. The trade off then, as now, is still best quality vs. size, heft, cost etc etc. You demonstrate that for most enthusiastic shooters APSC is pretty good, compact, convenient, affordable and better than phones. In many ways it's the 'sweet spot'. But I'm a self confessed amateur 'photo nut' perfectionist. I'm also lucky that I can afford to indulge myself in my no.1 hobby. So I use both APSC and full frame. It's a different tool for different needs. I also shoot a phone occasionally too, but mostly it's full frame with high end glass. I have owned and used 30+ cameras in past 40 years. Yes I do like kit, but I shoot thousands of pics in multiple genres - favouring sports, portraiture and creative work. I will shoot anything from astro, reportage, travel, wildlife but love people and action sports best. Your channel helped me switch from Nikon kit (which I loved) to Sony which I like, but still have yet to love (I think love comes with time, memories and eventually nostalgia). I bought a Sony a6500 and ran that alongside two Nikon DSLRs for a year. Eventually I gravitated to full frame Sony a7r3 after the much hyped but lacklustre Nikon Z6/7 launch. Upgraded again to a7r4, then a9. Believe newer Sony GM glass is now way better than most of my Nikkor glass ever was, so I can't ever envisage going back to Nikon now. I'm keen to buy an a1 (mainly for action sports and nature work) but would like to see prices fall slightly first. So despite 40 years of mostly amateur photography practice, success both selling work, and winning awards in multiple international exhibitions, enjoying a budget that can support the best kit available - I still see real value and merit in the APSC format. A small compact APSC body with a good prime will allow great photos, whilst working discreetly and not looking like a serious photographer or professional - that occasionally invites unwanted attention and gets you moved on before making the shot you want (typically reportage). I recently bought a 35mm f1.4 GM lens (lovely quality) to use on full frame. It's a fantastic lens for environmental portraiture and street reportage. I'm now thinking that Sony's a7c body (which I have never tried) might be the perfect, reasonably discrete, partner for street use and today's best answer to Cartier Bresson's Leica. Anyway, do please keep flying the flag for APSC!
@myblueandme
2 жыл бұрын
Dear sir i use Flektagon 35 2.4 on Nikon D3300
@nightcoder5k
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you. For casual users, the APS-C setup is great, but if you want that extra wow factor, get the full-frame. It's like NASCAR racing, if your car was slightly better than it is, you may have won the race.
@valdemarcaballero5298
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Arthur!!!! thanks for sharing!!!! That little combo looks fantastic!!! even more because the difference in price is HUUUGE. I own both FF and aps c sony cameras and your information is sooo useful both for professionals and amateurs alike. Thanks for sharing, thanks for your time and effort and greetings from Mexico city... BLESSINGS!!!!!
@jayc9184
2 жыл бұрын
I like to have a micro 4/3's or apc on hand in bright conditions for the colors but generally like the honesty of a for skin tones.
@goldenretrieverindia
Жыл бұрын
You are the man who cleared the doubt of buying APS-C camera compared to Fullframe. Finally someone to support the APS-C where everyone brags about fullframe 😍😍
@wagnercs
3 жыл бұрын
I film weddings with an A7 iii and an A6400. Have both Sigmas 16mm and 30mm f1.4... They are amazing, whatever body you go for (crop or ff), no bride or groom have ever complained about the films. We start the day with Sony's F4s lenses, and when the night comes, we switch to Sigmas.
@druids84
Ай бұрын
Thank you, Arthur, for these amazing reviews! To me the Sigma 56mm appeared slightly punchier with more contrast, the Sigma 85mm was flatter, but a bit sharper even at 1-stop "effectively" wider aperture. What I noticed is that you were comparing both lenses at identical apertures - in such case APS-C will have more DoF, so if it's necessary to compare FF vs APS-C lenses at "equal" settings from DoF/bokeh perspective, I always compare with APS-C lens at 1-stop wider aperture (say Sigma 85mm f2 vs Sigma 56mm f1.4). That way it better shows what would be the sharpness difference in real life when shooting with specifically chosen amount of background blur that you're after.
@hi.imgonner5813
Жыл бұрын
I think another thing to consider is cropping, highest crop sensor map camera is the r7 at 32 MP which allows you to crop more, but normally I wouldn’t suggest not setting up your scene with with a crop sensor. Also the full frame camera depending on brand allows you to go between lenses. Also dual sd cards, features etc. Even though i believe every release cameras are becoming closer and closer, the r10 for 800 bucks shoots like 15 fps a second for sports. I think if you want high res Full frame and weather seal etc, if you want good photos that get the job done m there is nothing at all wrong with a crop sensor. Also if you are considering line of work. A lot of employers, clients get kind of interested in what you are using. I had a Fuji x-t3 that was amazing but jobs wanted canon/Sony.
@bhspenceryt
2 жыл бұрын
The thing that is not close and obvious in every shot is that the full frame setup always has a more out of focus background for the same f stop. This is because you need to convert the equivalent aperture when moving from full frame to APSC just as you convert the equivalent focal length. An APSC f1.4 is not equal to a full frame f1.4 it is equivalent to an f2.1. To have the same background blur as the full frame f1.4 you would need an APSC lens close to f0.9.
@COMEDYiNSiDE
Жыл бұрын
amazing comparison. We can rely on crop sensors easily. Can you guys make a comparison video between Sigma 56 mm 1.4 vs Sony FE 85mm 1.8? Should We Take advantage of taking Full frame lens over Sigma 56 in the future? For this what should I compromise for that? For Sony 85 we are getting better bokeh + Future upgradation. For this, Have I sacrificed some image sharpness?
@sbcheon
Жыл бұрын
I couldn't listen to you at the first go, because of your beautiful wife and your boy. Their beautiful smile must make your photography an absolute joy.
@neverforever1357
Ай бұрын
The great advantage of a full-frame matrix is precisely in the post-processing and final image. Greater dynamic range, softer transition between color gradients. Great iso value with a clean picture. Still, there is a difference for the eye. and if you are shooting a landscape, then in addition to a full-frame matrix, you also need a good resolution of the matrix.
@imSoNotDavid
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Arthur. Because of you I got the a6400 and sigma 56 1.4 a while back. Great advice. Since then I thought the a7c would be my next move (full frame whilst keeping the flip out screen) but this video has proven there's not a big need after all.
@annarakannan6620
Жыл бұрын
Amazing comparison. I was torn between the two lenses. Yes I started from the lenses to work my way backwards. I decided to go apsc. Suits my needs better.
@purplecorde
3 жыл бұрын
Great review as always, Arthur! Are you going to review the new Tamron 18-300mm?
@nevildadrewalla
2 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of presentation that does some good. Great job.
@benchia
3 жыл бұрын
I stumbled upon this channel looking for a7C content but now I'm hooked on your a6100 setup.
@reactivemouse
3 жыл бұрын
That Sigma 56 is exelent! Definitely my next buy.
@8pedro7
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It would be very interesting to see the same photos after tweaked in post.
@idcrafter-cgi
3 жыл бұрын
i like using mediumformat sensors
@하잉
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Arthur !
@SugarZ.
3 жыл бұрын
Can a6000 do like the a6100 with the sigma 56mm,sir? About the sharpness and portrait
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the A6000 will perform the same in sharpness, the color science just isnt as good. The pictures are a bit more reddish in tint.
@tysonator5433
3 жыл бұрын
The warmer tones from the APSC set up is very surprising !
@pwolkowicki
3 жыл бұрын
I'v discovered a very nice (and obvious) trick for APS-C and 4/3 if you need more bokeh - simply take your model further from the background. The same scene side by side will have more bokeh on FF and it's obvious. But if you have aps-c or 4/3 you can also have a very nice bokeh. You have different tools so don't try to use them the same way as FF and expect same results. BTW - this trick also works even with 1/2.3" cameras with long zoom. And the answer is - both setups did excellent job.
@RedStar89
3 жыл бұрын
I can tell the difference in the depth of field in these photos. As we know bigger sensor makes us move nearer the subject where as aps c makes us stand further if we are using the same focal lengh on each cameras. That said composition and good lightning whether its aps c or full frame can make photo look gorgeous or really ugly
@PabloMatsumoto
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to compare the results mimicking real world scenarios you should adjust not only the focal length but also the aperture in order to equal DoF. For eg,, a picture taken 90mm 2.8 in FF with another at 60mm 1.7. The advantages in low light for FF is not so relevant when you make this adjustment. btw, I use M4/3.
@skeeveskeeve
6 ай бұрын
It's not just the cost that puts APS-C at a strong advantage, it's the size and weight of the equipment. I bought an R5 about 2 years ago and I have some really nice glass to go with it, but I never took it with me it was too heavy. On the other hand, I have a Sony a5100 with the Sony 35mm 1.8 and it fits in my front pocket no problem at all. It doesn't have as good low light performance as my a6600, but it's fine for outdoors photography and that's where I would be carrying it anyway. I got the a5100 with a kit lens for less than $300. I got the lens on eBay for $275.
@kaushaltiwari9773
3 жыл бұрын
That APS-C sensor is generations older compared to the one on the A7C. Hope Sony releases the next iterations with a new BSI APSC without the AA filter.
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
This. Thats the exciting part. APSC performance is already so close, with an updated sensor, that would be amazing.
@cweb1988
3 жыл бұрын
if they ever do it.....been waiting for a legit upgrade to my 6300 for forever.....none of the new models are worthy upgrading to yet.
@andys844
3 жыл бұрын
@@ArthurR do you have the raw files as well? It'd be interesting to see how close they are when you manually match noise reduction color balance etc. The main difference is likely going to just be the different rending from the lens and focal length.
@kaushaltiwari9773
3 жыл бұрын
@@cweb1988 I too am keeping my trusty A6000 for now. I hope Sony releases a professional APS-C body with solid weather sealing, two card slots, fast read out BSI sensor, some advanced and fun features like Live Composite, a good IBIS. Fast touch sensitive screen. That would be awesome.
@wfp9378
Жыл бұрын
9:11 Everything about the difference in price is in the background separation seen here which is astoundingly different
@RockWILK
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I think crop sensor cameras are awesome. Obviously they are not technically at the level of full frame, but in the right hands, you can do professional work without question. Especially when it comes to video. Thanks for the great work, as always.
@hellopsp180
Жыл бұрын
The answer is APSC is NOT a disadvantage. Your lenses and knowledge matter more than anything else. But definitely buy FF if you need better low light stills and the shallower DOF.
@romekk3975
3 жыл бұрын
For portrait photography, you always want to be able to capture more detail so a full-frame camera is a natural choice. The APS-C setup you are using is a very strong contender but the difference is the price is well justified. I would take an APS-C camera for landscape shots as I stop down significantly for such photos anyways.
@otjutt
2 жыл бұрын
Horses for courses. This is by far the most objective comment. Couldn't agree more.
@proni32580
3 жыл бұрын
Aps-c a6400. Works great
@ChimaChindaDev
3 жыл бұрын
I switched from full frame but it doesn't really matter much which you choose as they are very similar. My setup is a little expensive though. Fujifilm X-H1 with the 50mm f1.0
@miroslavturiak4578
3 жыл бұрын
I just bought my Sony a7iii a few months ago and I can definitely say it is a better camera than Sony a6000 I had before. Also my new lenses are a lot better! I love the bokeh, colours are better by my opinion too and low light performance as well! But if you have the same amount of megapixels on full- frame and APSC you don't see a big difference in detail. And this video is a proof of it!
@rickymcc8624
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arthur Good to see you now have 170k+ subscribers. I subscribed around your 10-15k phase several years ago when I first started using a Sony APSC body. That early sub and my first Sony APSC (bought after viewing your channel) started me in a totally different photographic journey that eventually saw my switching from mostly Nikon kit (after 28 years) and going 'all in' with Sony. Not seen many of your vids lately, but stopped by for this, Agree APSC is pretty good and possibly optimum for most.
@fernandobernal2525
3 жыл бұрын
It really helped me this video , I’m having a A6000 and I was thinking to chang it for the Sony 7c but I think that I would go for A6400… or A6100?
@HagaishiSama
2 жыл бұрын
Go for the 6400 hands down
@avavaviv1
3 жыл бұрын
The skin tones with A7c are crazy good. Sony is doing some magic..
@nolejd50
3 жыл бұрын
Tbh I found them awful. She looks like a corpse 80% of the time.
@avavaviv1
3 жыл бұрын
@@nolejd50 poetic & optimal
@Haggis305
3 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the new ZVE10…..I sold my zv1 in anticipation of purchasing the ZVE10, but now considering getting the A6400….given the fact there is not a huge gap between the two cameras.
@roy.mclean
3 жыл бұрын
If both lenses are at f4, you will indeed see more bokeh on the full frame lens. Just as the focal length is subject to the crop factor, so is the aperture. F4 on a crop sensor is equivalent to F6 on full frame. It would have been interesting to see the results of the 80mm on the crop sensor and the 50mm on the full frame.
@FlowStateNewOrleans
2 жыл бұрын
I currently have an A6000 that I bought in 2014 and an A7C that I bought in summer of 2021. I've been thinking about selling both and buying an A6100 or A6400. I find that I often prefer the color in the A6000 to the A7C. But there are many things I love about the A7C that makes it hard to let go of and many things I probably still could learn more of from it.
@robertdavis1255
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing... great video showing different results...I prefer the skin tones on the APS-C gear...I am only a hobbyist & don't have a full frame camera so I am still happy with my D500 Nikon although I will consider the better glass of Sigmas Art lens.... cheers 😀
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