Greetings, Tasty Morsels! Welcome back for episode 2 of 3 Body Problem! This episode centered around a few *big* decisions and how much fear and trauma, and the apprehension of both, can push us to do things less damaged versions of ourselves likely never would have considered. Also, my brain decided to check out completely in a few places. Have fun roasting me for some breathtakingly obtuse moments. 😅 As always, please be careful of the spoilers. Thankee-sai!
@raspberrybellini
6 ай бұрын
The avatar of the little girl is Vera We as a child. Jin briefly sees the picture of the young Vera at her mother's home after the funeral
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
🤯Thanks for pointing that out! That adds some tantalizing dimensions to the nature of the game.
@imeprezime4764
6 ай бұрын
I thought long and hard about whether I would press that button. My conclusion is that 99% of the time I wouldn't. But if you catch me on a really bad day I think I would.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
I know what you mean. I'm pretty sure spite couldn't move me to do it, but there's the possibility that she really just thinks we need help to save ourselves from our own destructive behavior. And *that* sentiment might motivate me to push the button. Though I would never say, "I'll help you conquer this world." I would welcome aliens in peace as equals or even as teachers, but not ever as masters.
@Maya_Ruinz
6 ай бұрын
Feel you, for myself I would never touch the button because knowing that life outside of the earth exists would be enough for me. I would definitely keep the data and before I die give it to an astronomer to let them do whatever they wanted with it.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@@Maya_Ruinz Makes one wonder if that's exactly what happened...
@MightyKingYoung
6 ай бұрын
You have really good powers of deduction lol
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
I choose to take this at face value. Thanks!😅🤣
@slebetman
6 ай бұрын
No. The sun amplifier is not a thing. It is a good plot point though.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
There's a concept in speculative fiction called "One Big Lie," if memory serves. Every sci-fi story needs to have one just for the story to happen. As OBLs go, this is a pretty fun one, and I guess not too far off the mark, though using a different reason for why it works than would be the case.
@researcherfromsite-1926
6 ай бұрын
looking forward to the next episode!
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Glad my sudden descent into moron territory didn't scare you off! 😅
@Xancio
6 ай бұрын
In the book it's better explained how the aliens can reply in Chinese. The original messages included a way to encode/decode from basic math, some kind of universal self-describing language. Looking forward to the next episodes!
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Ah, okay, so there *was* a primer included. I probably would have added a tiny bit of exposition for that one, were I writing it.😆 Also, I need to look into this universal language concept. It's often said that math would be the one true universal language, but I'll admit to difficulty wrapping my brain around extrapolating from logical manipulation of numbers to the kind of communication we achieve with speech and writing.
@berlindude75
6 ай бұрын
In the show, you see Ye Wenjie use a cipher book to craft her ill-fated response despite the pacifist's warning.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@@berlindude75 I had thought it was for translating characters to number codes because the input device she was using was numeric. I should have asked myself why she was using a numeric input device, though. I just figured it was similar to using Alt codes and that someone decided it was simpler with the thousands of Chinese characters.
@jaredf6205
6 ай бұрын
Awesome, like your reactions, choosing to go through the show again with you.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Yay! Thanks for choosing me as a companion on your rewatch! I'm shooting for Tuesday to release episode three. I've got a *lot* of homework to do this weekend, so Monday probably won't be doable.
@ASageCalledQ
6 ай бұрын
When first contact goes from excitement to terror.
@joeldodd6526
6 ай бұрын
I've watched every reaction to this show (I'm obsessed) and yours is one of my favourites.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad my smooth brained moments didn't turn you off. 😅
@Maya_Ruinz
6 ай бұрын
Episodes 2 and 5 are definitely my favorites, the acting here is so good and the stuff that happens in episode 5 is just… you will find out 😱
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
So... some of the edits and cutaways I'll do for these are with the benefit of hindsight, if I've managed to watch past a certain point while still working on an earlier episode's edit. Episode five is why I cut away to "Yeah...kinda" when I was spitballing about Auggie's research and wondered if it was "for making a processor." 🥲
@FrancoisLC-s6m
6 ай бұрын
It is not said during the entirety of the season, but yes you are correct : It is proxima centauri :) A bit easy choice for the author, but if you want to have communications in a time of a human life, you should not aim too far
@berlindude75
6 ай бұрын
Except, the Alpha Centauri system is stable. What we see as a single point of light approx. 4.25 light years away when looking in the direction of Alpha Centauri is, in fact, a pair of two stars much like our sun (Rigil Kentaurus and Toliman) orbiting each other in close proximity (varying distance of 11 AU to 36 AU) while a third much smaller and dimmer star called Proxima Centauri orbits this pair at a much larger distance (13,000 AU = 0.21 light years). And it is this third star not visible to the naked eye where exoplanets have been found.
@FrancoisLC-s6m
6 ай бұрын
Of course it is stable! After all, this is where Pandora and it's natives, the Na'vi, lives too! xD
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@@FrancoisLC-s6m And the Earth Alliance colony of Proxima III! I love how nerdy we all are! 😁
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@@berlindude75 I wonder what the radiation and gravitational swings are like on those planets. I would have to imagine they'd be more extreme than ours, though predictable to any advanced civilization(s) that might pop up there. I think we've got a probe planned for Alpha Centauri, don't we?
@berlindude75
6 ай бұрын
@@reverseBLT en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri#Planetary_system en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri#Planetary_system Because Proxima Centauri is a small red dwarf (1/7th the diameter of the Sun), its planetary system is prone to frequent typical star flares and radiation bursts. As for future exploration, see the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri#Future_exploration
@spamfilter32
6 ай бұрын
The Aliens are not from Proxima Centauri. Their star is of a similar distance, but the Wow! signal was received by a radio receiver in Ohio. Ohio can not see the Alpha Centauri system because it is located in the southern hemisphere. Only American radio stations that could conceivably receive a signal from Alpha Centauri system would have to be located in southern Florida, Southern Texas and Hawaii. A radio station in Outer Mongolia would have a similar problem of being to far north to send or receive a signal from Alpha Centauri. The Aliens star system is of similar distance as Alpha Centauri, but is located in the direction of the Sagittarius constellation. So not the Alpha Centauri system.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the astronomical context. 😄 Shall I assume we've not identified a real system like theirs anywhere in that section of the sky at that distance?
@spamfilter32
6 ай бұрын
@reverseBLT not at that distance in real life. I assume there are trinary systems somewhere in the Sagittarius constelation within the field of the Wow! signal boundaries. But not within 4ish light years.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@@spamfilter32 This is why I empathize with Jin's desire to know everything.
@spamfilter32
6 ай бұрын
@@reverseBLT me too. I always loved the PBS Nova and Richard Attenborough (sp?) specials.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@spamfilter32 Nova was my *jam*!
@thorwuttudal1440
6 ай бұрын
Another great reaction. Hard to comment on your theories so I will refrain. I think you are going to like the turns the main characters go through. Lets just say there are choices to be made😊
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'm still waiting to get blasted for my *whoosh* moments. LOL I was supposed to finish watching the season by now, but homework has delayed me. Being a student again is a bit of an adjustment. Going to try and get done by the end of the weekend, at least, so I can discuss some of these things more freely!
@konstantinkrastev4478
6 ай бұрын
Yup for making fun of their baldness - zooms in... genius editing lol
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
That was one of those gags I didn't plan. It was just meant to be a push in to isolate the comment, but I realized what I had done right after and chuckled to myself. I love when I stumble across a joke. Glad you liked it too!
@LMarti13
6 ай бұрын
pretty funny you figured out the "deepfake" but were baffled by the nanowires haha
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
😅My brain is a funny thing. I'll pick up on some little detail and have a decently clever deduction, one minute, then miss the most obvious plot point in the history of the world, the next. Wait until you see how bad my face blindness is...
@spamfilter32
6 ай бұрын
I'd really love to know from a physicst if it really would be possible to bounce a signal off the sun. Notice, that when they 1st brought Ye Wenjie to thw radio base, they brought up her published paper that was all about the reflective peoperties of the sun. Thst was a nice set up.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
I looked it up, and the consensus seems to be that it isn't possible the way it's presented in the story. However, funny enough, especially considering my many brain farts in this reaction, including when Wenjie was explaining her idea about using the sun to amplify the transmission, it turns out what I was *thinking* she was getting at *is* plausible. I mentioned slingshots because I was thinking along the lines of gravity, and a paper was published proposing the use of the sun's gravitational lensing to focus transmissions. The actual application of the idea would require placing a relay at a huge distance from us and the sun, where it would line up with the focal point of the lensing effect. So I was still off, but I consider myself vindicated! LOL
@berlindude75
6 ай бұрын
But all of these considerations do not help the fact that even radio signals will not travel faster than the speed of light (299,792,458 m/s). Hence, sending such radio signals to communicate with an alien civilization 4 light years (i.e. the distance light travels in 4 years) away from Earth will still take 4 years one way and another 4 years back for a possible response (that may not be sent immediately).
@spamfilter32
6 ай бұрын
@@berlindude75 time scales was always an issue, no matter how you figure out how to do it. So that really isn't an issue. Inverse square law is really the biggest issue. When Ye Wenjie said 25 megawatt wasn't enough, she was probably correct.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
@@spamfilter32 That's exactly why I was wondering who they could possibly end up communicating with in this story. I figure the odds are *way* against another intelligent species being within several thousand light years. But we could get (un?)lucky, I guess.
@roastpork5437
6 ай бұрын
When she pushed that button, she was hoping aliens would come and remove the totalitarian regime oppressing her. Conquering doesn't always mean extermination... at least in our own history. Many nations have been conquered before and usually the people survive and the ruling party eliminated. We have this weird assumption that advanced aliens are by default, friendly for some reason.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
As I thought more on things, I started to consider that her reasoning was more nuanced than I first assumed. In the moment, particularly with how her story has unfolded, it was easiest for me to see her actions as rooted in simple misanthropy, formed from pain and reinforced by her love of nature. As for the aliens and what form conquering could take, I agree with you, though our history gives us few reasons to hope for good intentions. But, when people talk about aliens, it always seems to fall squarely on one side or the other: we either assume they would come with hostile intent or else assume they would come full of benevolence. I think it's most likely their motivations will be as complex as ours would be, depending on their unique combination of needs, hopes, and fears. I figure basic curiosity would be a strong motivator for most intelligent life, but there's also the basic need to protect themselves. If we ever do encounter aliens, regardless of how we stack up in advancement, I hope smart, relatively optimistic and openminded folks are in charge on both sides.
@JohnnyJohnny-f5o
6 ай бұрын
"Proxima Centauri, how lucky" Or maybe there's just a lot of aliens.. Although I don't know why advanced civilizations haven't already mapped out star systems in detail and instead need to wait for signals from other worlds.
@reverseBLT
6 ай бұрын
Considering the bonkers size of the universe, there probably are a whole bunch of alien civilizations, even allowing that there would be tons of factors preventing most life from lasting long enough to become spacefaring. That said, one would expect an advanced species within a certain distance from us to be noticeable because of their manipulations of their celestial neighborhood, such as building megastructures whose effects on their systems can be spotted. Not seeing anything doesn't mean they're not there, but does drop the probability by a sizeable amount. As for mapping other systems in detail, sure, they should have. The aliens in this probably would have very accurate info about our system, for instance, including that it might represent a good candidate for habitable planets. But it could be extremely cost and/or resource prohibitive to make the century-plus journey to find out, especially if there's the risk that you find a world full of people as advanced or more so than yourselves, who now have telemetry to trace back to your planet and mess you up.
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