Do you know why some BLDers use FU instead of UF? I thought for a long time that it was just a M' away from DF and then made learning easier. And are there differences between the FU and the UF algs ?
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
Stickers on the same piece will have the same algs. This means UF and FU algs are exactly the same. The only difference is that the cycles will have different letters associated with them. For example, if you use UF, UF-BU-RU would be QM in speffz. With FU, FU-UB-UR would be AB in speffz, but the comm is the exact same [M', R U R' U']. The reason why some people learn FU instead of UF is because the letters associated with DF and FU are similar. Also, it's easier to float parity (M/M' away). Finally, if they ever do bigBLD, wing tracing is the same for DFr and FUr. The same goes for corners: UBL, LBU, and BUL all have the same algs but the cycles will have different letters associated with them.
@nathanaelmorgan8604
5 жыл бұрын
@@timothygoh-4bld649 This is precisely why you should learn M2 with the FD buffer, so you can float parity and learn comms easier with UF. It's just an M/M' away.
@ThibaudOU
4 жыл бұрын
@@nathanaelmorgan8604 nah just use U2
@achyutkayastha4248
6 жыл бұрын
part 3 please!!
@ethanpan
5 жыл бұрын
I finished learning 3style before you made part 3 :^)
@avnir8966
5 жыл бұрын
How long did it take u?
@ethanpan
5 жыл бұрын
@@avnir8966 like 4 months
@avnir8966
5 жыл бұрын
Ethan Pan damn
@ThibaudOU
5 жыл бұрын
Ethan Pan how ?
@lachandangus9368
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone! I believe that you don’t need a part 3 I just kept watching these two and now know 3 style! Your welcome
@willwalter1384
5 жыл бұрын
When’s the how to learn 3 style Video coming out
@ThibaudOU
4 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid it probably won't so soon. Timothy is probably very busy because of studies.
@benbaron8951
6 жыл бұрын
7:30 how about [U, R2 D R2 D' R2]? Oh
@lachie0704
6 жыл бұрын
Im not sure why you arent at 5K subs already, if you are reading this comment please subscribe because he really deserves it, and BLD tutorials don't get much better than this :)
@iyslfj
4 жыл бұрын
Tim plz part 3 i know you are busy with school but plz
@user-dm9hb9ic8j
2 жыл бұрын
When will there be part 3?
@joelcuber
6 жыл бұрын
Hadn't seen it yet but THANKS!!!. Keep it up.
@joelcuber
6 жыл бұрын
And thanks for lending me your 5x5 =D.
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
No problem :)
@zackmartin3358
5 жыл бұрын
when is part 3 coming out?
@rahulmachhi4261
5 жыл бұрын
Part 3 please
@ducciocentili6808
6 жыл бұрын
Are the final moves anti-setup?
@thephysicistcuber175
5 жыл бұрын
Come on, upload part 3 already!
@iyslfj
5 жыл бұрын
The Physicist Cuber he quit cubing
@karieinarsson7347
3 жыл бұрын
@@iyslfj sad..
@achyutkayastha4248
6 жыл бұрын
Is part 3 not out yet??
@gabrielbarriosdeleon
4 жыл бұрын
I started learning coms for DF, but eventually I want to switch to FU: do you think I should finish learning this set and just afterwards go for FU or should I switch at once? Thanks a lot!
@LJF999
6 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand why FU/UF and UFR buffers are supposed to be better than the standard DF and UBL. I use UBL and DF and dont want to switch but will if it makes a huge difference. Do you think its still possible to get a sub 30 Global BLD average using UBL and DF?
@hieunguyencong1899
3 жыл бұрын
Where is part 3??
@cubotrix4152
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Tim, how fast is really UFR compared to UBL? Edit: I think Graham is a UBL user, and he is a fast BLDer!
@StanleyChapel
6 жыл бұрын
Not Tim, but my UFR comms are around .1-.2 faster than my UBL comms each, which makes for about .4-.8 saved per solve. Although this isn't a huge amount, and UFR+1 parity is slower than UBL+1 parity, advanced parity techniques are much easier with the two buffers right next to each other. There are many fast UBL users, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best buffer, although with current mainstream techniques it may be. However, UFR's potential as the best buffer isn't 100% agreed upon for now. For example, Ishaan thinks UBR may have more potential as a standalone corner buffer since the simple comms are less awkward.
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
The difference between UFR and UBL isn't as great as the difference between UF and DF. It's hard to put a number on it but the general estimate is that switching to UFR will save ~0.5 seconds. Yeah, Graham uses UBL but he's planning to switch to UFR. Also, don't be mistaken; I'm not saying that it's impossible to get fast with UBL (Angelo, Jeff, Ishaan, use/used UBL), I'm saying that UFR is faster.
@cubotrix4152
6 жыл бұрын
Since the time saved is ~1 sec, then I am probably going to stick with UBL for a while, especially since I am not world class by any means, I am sub 5:40. 2 days a go I figured out and wrote down all the 108 move optimal 3-cycles using UBL-DFR/RDF/FDR-xyz, so if UFR was extremely much faster, then I officially wasted 4 hrs. (No offense)
@ChrisChoi123
6 жыл бұрын
I'm one of those unfortunate souls who decided to tackle 3style with only speedoptimal algs. and I have to say it is very difficult and challanging.
@dmed
6 жыл бұрын
Chris Choi HAHS
@thephysicistcuber175
5 жыл бұрын
My situation is worse, I learnt corner 3-style back when the WR solves had tons of rotations, so many of my comms are slow, RUL and with tons and tons of rotations
@avnir8966
5 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for part 3
@benbaron8951
6 жыл бұрын
13:00 [D': (U2, M')] Or imo better [U: (S', U2)] which cancels a U
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
both of those are viable (and so is [U:[R2, S]]) but [U' : [S, R2]] is the fastest. Try drilling each of them and then timing them on a stackmat and you'll see what I mean
@benbaron8951
4 жыл бұрын
lol what was I talking about, U' is so much faster
@kiddtaviousk
6 жыл бұрын
What if you've gotten good at UBL and DF over a long period of time?
@kiddtaviousk
6 жыл бұрын
During the edges, if you use DF, you can get some pretty easy cases that either give you an M2 case, or just one move away from an M2 case. And in corners, I've made up a few cases That make UBL an easy buffer. That's why I'm curious that if you actually want to get fast, you should switch buffers.
@achyutkayastha4248
6 жыл бұрын
where is Part 3 of the tutorial?
@charlieharrison
6 жыл бұрын
For UBL UBR DBR you can do [U, R D' R' U R' D R]
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
that's really fast too but I didn't include it because I thought too many solutions would be too confusing :P
@connoryungbluth
6 жыл бұрын
I plan to switch to UF/UFR in the near future, however I’m confused about how you would solve to each target if you do not know the alg for it. I feel like learning 3-style completely first would solve this issue, however I’m almost certain that there is a better alternative WHILE you learn the comms with these buffers. Is there an explanation somewhere/could you explain how this would work?
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
You can learn the comms sticker-by-sticker (say, RDF, FDR, DFR and so on) and then keep setting up to stickers that you know. This is called "reduced 3-style." Another approach is to learn the basic concept of comms and then come up with solutions on the spot. This is called "intuitive 3-style." I'm going to talk more about these approaches in part 3
@connoryungbluth
6 жыл бұрын
4BLD Awesome, thanks!
@GoIrish8
6 жыл бұрын
I am a blind noob so this is a stupid question. If 3 style only solves 3 corners/edges, do you use OP to get to the final 3 corners/edges, then do 3 style?
@charlieharrison
6 жыл бұрын
3-style solves two pieces at a time, the third piece in the cycle is the buffer. There is no OP, just solving two pieces at a time for the whole solve.
@charlieharrison
6 жыл бұрын
Here is an example solve to explain better (UBL/UF buffers): D' R2 D F2 L2 D U' R2 B2 D' U2 B' L' D2 R2 U F L B F U2 R2 [R2 F: [R2, E]] // UF-RF-DF but it only solves RF and DF because UF is the buffer [R: [U R' U', M']] // UF-RU-BU (only solves RU and BU) You continue solving 2 pieces at a time for the rest of the solve: [r' F' R': [S, R2]] // UF-DR-break to UL [U E L: [E', L2]] // UF-LF-DL [L E2 L', U] // UF-BR-UL M2 U L U' M2 U2 M U' L' U M' U2 // cool BL-DB flip alg from Ishaan's list [U R' U D: [R U' R', D2]] // UBL-DFL-FDR [U R': [B2, R U' R' U]] // UBL-DBL-BDR [R' U D R: [R U' R', D']] // UBL-RUB-break to UFR [z: [U, R' D' R]] // UBL-FUL-FUR
@GoIrish8
6 жыл бұрын
@@charlieharrison ok that makes more sense thanks
@kiddtaviousk
6 жыл бұрын
If you come to a part where there is only one letter left in your memo, that lost corner will be OP
@charlieharrison
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it will
@lukevanlaningham194
6 жыл бұрын
Did you intuitively find all of the setup moves used in this video, or did you find some online and memorize some?
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
It was a mixture. Some of them I found myself, others I discovered after talking to other BLDers
@heejunkim04
4 жыл бұрын
Is thay weilong gts pink?
@boeing747cr3
6 жыл бұрын
I would switch to UF/UFR but how do you do parity then? Z Perm? Does the Y Perm alg still work?
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
I updated the description again with a link to a more detailed explanation of UF/UFR parity methods
@hazexcuber7387
5 жыл бұрын
where is part3
@smomnom9576
6 жыл бұрын
Idk anything about edges but for the corners I don't see why UFR is better than ULB cuz the argument with the B-moves instead of F- moves makes no sense to me cuz you can always do D-moves and then L/R-move insertions.
@smomnom9576
6 жыл бұрын
And if I switch to UFR what's gonna be my new single target alg?
@StanleyChapel
6 жыл бұрын
for UF/UFR parity a simple way to do it is to do your last edge target as UF-last target-UR and last corner target as UFR-last target-URB, then do a Jb perm to solve parity, since Jb perm with U' AUF swaps UF-UR and UFR-URB
@StanleyChapel
6 жыл бұрын
Beyond that, you can do UF/UR swap in tracing, learn algs for UF-UR+UFR-x (UFR+1 parity), or learn full UF/UFR parity (not recommended unless you're incredibly committed to 3BLD and know full optimized 3-style and all 2twists and 2flips)
@dmed
6 жыл бұрын
HECC mostropi lmoa gang for life
@justinzhao9831
6 жыл бұрын
You said that UFR is the best corner buffer. I'm a UFL user and almost finish all 3style algs (mainly optimized RUD). How do you think is the quality of these 2 buffer comms? I think the difference may be very very little if it does exist. Thank you.
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
I think UFR is still slightly faster but the difference is small (~0.5 seconds)
@smomnom9576
6 жыл бұрын
Whats the difference? I think you just need to mirror algs and see whats faster for you. I am lefty so I would use UFL and mirror the algs.
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
It’s easier to do RUD with UFR. If you prefer LUD then there’s no difference since UFR and UFL are R/L mirrors
@smomnom9576
6 жыл бұрын
4BLD Okay thanks for explaining.
@justinzhao9831
6 жыл бұрын
Pin Guin I will still use RUD for UFL
@johnkennyreyes7071
6 жыл бұрын
How should i memorize those?
@zakimoshi8686
6 жыл бұрын
Are there any cases where it's better to use the 5 mover or is it always best to use setups
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
99% of the time it’s faster to do setup moves
@zakimoshi8686
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Also because my hands are pretty small it's hard for me to do the slice moves what do I do
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
hmm maybe try using a smaller cube?
@zakimoshi8686
6 жыл бұрын
Hmm mabye
@zakimoshi8686
6 жыл бұрын
Which smaller cube would you suggest
@harrysavage9213
6 жыл бұрын
Inb4 people insist [U': [D, R U' R']] is fastest
@LEC1427
6 жыл бұрын
It is for some people
@neelgore
6 жыл бұрын
That’s optimal
@timothygoh-4bld649
6 жыл бұрын
Originally, I did have this in the section where I talked about optimal comms but the video was too long so I cut it out. Ok, I updated the desc with optimal solutions for other cases
@LazyEinstein
6 жыл бұрын
Meh for algs with U2. Necessary for algs with D2
@harrysavage9213
6 жыл бұрын
Depends which you can execute fastest, personally, I can't do [U': [D, R U' R']] faster, so I use the other. Some people will insist that the U' alg is faster no matter what.
@TheVichu01
6 жыл бұрын
Nice!. Can you also do UF/UFR parity in part 3?
@carterkucala4595
6 жыл бұрын
check desc
@TheVichu01
6 жыл бұрын
Carter Cuber I can't find algs for UF-UR, UFR+1 parity. Can you let me know where I can find them?
@carterkucala4595
6 жыл бұрын
Vishwanath Jeyaraman there might be some in the links in the description, but I'm not sure where to find them
@carterkucala4595
6 жыл бұрын
Or you could just do U2 then Opd pochmann
@StanleyChapel
6 жыл бұрын
On Daniel's comm sheet there is a parity tab, and all the algs are in the UR column
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