For 99% of us 308 is more than enough for hunting purposes. If you already have a 308...there isn't enough of a reason to change.
@marksini3598
3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. If hunting is the primary use, and you own a 308 you are happy with, it doesn't make much sense to replace it. If you're buying a new rifle, and don't mind adding a caliber, 6.5 could be a great addition, but the advantages for a hunter are minor outside a few circumstances that are pretty rare for most folks.
@DinoNucci
3 жыл бұрын
Correct
@connoroulton8107
3 жыл бұрын
Yesss
@madride858585
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 CM all day
@andyreed1292
3 жыл бұрын
The 6.5x55 created in 1890. Norwegian round. Never took off in the US. Now look at us. We invented the wheel, again.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Not much new under the sun. The big "improvement" for the Creedmoor round is simply taking advantage of modern powders to shorten it sufficiently to use a short action rifle/magazine system rather than long.
@GeorgiaBoy1961
3 жыл бұрын
@ Andy Reed: Yes, well-said! The Swedes and Norwegians must be having a good old time laughing at us, probably saying something like, "What took you so long?" Apart from one or two details, there's really nothing that the new kind on the block - the 6.5 Creedmoor - can do that the 6.5x55 can't. Or the .260 Remington, for that matter.
@whocares3132
3 жыл бұрын
Hahahah well said. But still Americans couldnt make it a good round. creedmore is barrel eater.
@GeorgiaBoy1961
3 жыл бұрын
@@whocares3132 - Yeah, but if you're in the business of selling FAs, what's not to like about that? And 6.5 CM isn't as bad of a barrel burner as something like .264 Win Mag.
@oddmunddale806
3 жыл бұрын
We have been using 6,5 in Scandinavia for 120 years. It's fine but has its limitations. I have used it (6,5x55) for hunting on 3 continents loooong before 6,5 Creedmore was made.
@DROCKJAMO
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 is a better long range target round because the of it’s ballistic coefficient like you said. Inside of 600 yards both rounds are similar with the slight advantage for hunting to the 308 because of the bigger bullet. The 308 is better in the AR platform in my opinion because of barrel life and cost of ammo. Long range target shooting go with 6.5, hunting and anything inside of 600 yards go with 308.
@dave-d-grunt
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Target round. But, has the 6.5 won any 1000 yard competitions?
@dutchjennings1705
3 жыл бұрын
I own more than one of all of the following: .223, .243, .270, .308 and 30-06. Even for long range hunting I am MORE than covered with any one of these depending on what I'm doing that day. I love buying new rifles as much as the next guy but why would I buy a 6.5 anything? For extreme long range out to the 500 yard mark, which I'll never do, I'd have to certainly take the .270 over a 6.5 because it still has the juice to ethically take a whitetail whereas the 6.5 does not (according to Hornady charts anyway). Simply put, it's the answer to a problem that doesn't exist at all for me.
@GeorgiaBoy1961
3 жыл бұрын
@ Dutch Jennings: Your reasoning makes eminent sense. The 6.5 CM cartridge offers advantages to precision-shooting competitors and also to the tactical community (which is why some personnel in JSOC are now using weapons chambered for it), but apart from modest recoil, it really doesn't offer anything particularly new or novel to the hunter. Its capabilities overlap considerably to the 7mm-08, 6.5x55., and .260 Remington, as well as the .270 Winchester. The venerable .243 is arguably just as good a choice for new/recoil-sensitive shooters looking to bag a white-tail, or simply someone who doesn't want to use too much gun. The .308 and 30-06 are such good general purpose cartridges that even with some advantages, it is tough to justify switching to the newer 6.5 CM. Ammo and FA manufacturers are continually introducing new products. Their marketing departments do their best to talk up the new stuff as being the greatest invention since sliced bread, but in reality, most people don't "need" whatever it is - if they have one of the time-proven calibers you mention.
@LovingIdaho
3 жыл бұрын
Dutch Jernings, very well put .
@lessforloans
2 жыл бұрын
Hold on now, love the .308 but a 6.5 cm will smack a deer down just the same.
@titomish5914
Жыл бұрын
Who’s asking you to buy one?
@MrKillswitch47
2 жыл бұрын
This is very good info for someone just getting into hunting.
@BulletsNBrass
2 жыл бұрын
I think the best advice I ever heard for a new hunter is that it's all about location and patience. Placement for yourself relative to the animals, wind and terrain as well as shot placement. Patience to wait for the right shot but also to know when trying to continue a hunt from a particular spot or direction is just going to spook animals out of your area rather than put meat on the ground. All the toys and stopping power in the world doesn't make you a better hunter, it just helps a good hunter extend the ven diagram for location and patience.
@maddog8148
Ай бұрын
This was a great explanation on the 6.5. Thank you very much.
@kentgoldings
3 жыл бұрын
For hunting, 308, no question, it is simply much more versatile for hunting applications. The 6.5 CM wins at the rifle range. The two primary reasons are #1 superior BC, #2 lighter felt recoil. The superior BC means better retained velocity downrange and better wind resistance. Wind is everything downrange. A new rifle shooter should master the basics with a 22LR. However, after the proper homework, shooting 1,000 yards with a 6.5 CM is very accessible. The wind is less of problem and you’re not fighting the recoil. As a range toy, 6.5 wins.
@gsxr1189
3 жыл бұрын
Not anymore. Used to be that 308 hunting loads had an energy advantage on 6.5cm for the 1st few hundred yards but they improve on 6.5cm's loadings all the time and that's not the case anymore. Berger has a new factory 6.5cm ammo the 156gr Hunting VLD with a 0.679 BC that runs the same energy out the muzzle as 308's hunting loads. So if that was the argument you were making it's null and void.
@kentgoldings
3 жыл бұрын
So, you’re using a boutique bullet to replace an average Spitzer soft point? My argument for 308 is not based only on muzzle energy. It is based on versatility. But, that edge will be eroded by modern bullets.
@gsxr1189
3 жыл бұрын
@@kentgoldings Yes premium hunting ammo may cost a little more than the generic stuff but what's the difference you're not going through that much hunting ammo anyway. So yes it's a 100% valid point.
@gsxr1189
3 жыл бұрын
@@kentgoldings And BTW that was premium factory hunting ammo from Berger no different than buying factory ammo from a company like Barnes or Federal. Boutique ammo would be something like custom ammo that is loaded at a small custom shop and if you want to go that route the situation for the 308 is going to get a whole lot worse here's an example. dallasreloads.com/product/6-5-speedmoor-143-grain-eld-x/
@kentgoldings
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t disagree. However, I’d be much more worried about availability than price. For example, I’m working on a load for black bears. ATM, I have more 308 hunting bullets on hand. Most of my 6.5 bullets are from target shooting. This is probably my prejudice. If a 6.5 CM was the only rifle I owned, I would not go wanting. But, TBH, if I was somehow unsure the 308 would do the job, I would grab the 6.5 PRC next. My 6.5 CM would be third or fourth in line, depending on the game. My 6.5 has a special place in my heart and a first-time shooter could do much worse than a Ruger American Predator or Remington 700 in 6.5 CM.
@craw0808
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I’m missing something.... who the hell shoots a deer at 1000+ yards?
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
A lot more rounds go down range for steel and paper than deer. A lot of the focus these days is further out. If it was just about hunting I don't think the 6.5CM would be having the success it does. As I mentioned, at common hunting distances, particularly in the more eastern states, 308 will have more energy.
@sirich7751
3 жыл бұрын
Simple...which caliber do you own? Stick with it. For most hunters .308, .270, 30-06, 6.5 Creedmoor...it doesn't matter as long as you take a responsible shot.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Within reason, it's almost all about taking a good shot within the appropriate range for your caliber. Shot placement is key no matter what caliber you use.
@whocares3132
3 жыл бұрын
creedmore is barrel eater and .308 is legend.
@titomish5914
Жыл бұрын
@@whocares3132 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@whocares3132
Жыл бұрын
@@titomish5914 what?
@craigsayner7341
3 жыл бұрын
One reason for the 6.5 to run faster and truer down range is the 1-8 twist in the barrel. I thought you said the 6.5 is smaller in circumference. I just watched a video of a guy didn't want to pay the higher price for 6.5 brass. He bought 308 and trimmed it down to the length of a 6.5 then slowly ran it thru a 6.5 full length die and it worked.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
I've heard of it being done, but never met anyone who did it. That seems like WAY too much work to save a little money. If you were converting enough to make the cost significant you'd also be spending a lot of time doing it. I guess if you've got children to use as "free" labor it might work out. Or just because someone wants to try it out. Plenty of reloaders are just that kinda person, it doesn't have to make sense.
@12vibaba
Жыл бұрын
twist rate does not make a bullet faster.
@jamessteele3723
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 Japan rifles were used in WW ll
@mr.noneyabidness
3 жыл бұрын
With wooden bullets at the end of the war.
@johnkizziah108
3 жыл бұрын
Both very good rounds. At reasonable hunting ranges 308 will shoot heavier bullets. 308 is a bit better on barrels if ya shoot them alot. I hunt with a 270 (everything). But damn the 6.5 is fun to shoot. Accurate with almost any load...
@GeorgiaBoy1961
3 жыл бұрын
One of the legitimate selling points of the 6.5 CM is how efficient and accurate it is. Until the intro of the 6mm Creedmoor, it was the choice of a lot of PRS competitors, in fact. It's inherent accuracy and efficiency - excellent BC numbers with slippery projectiles, and high SD values - are part of the reason the tactical community gravitates towards it. A 147-grain Hornady ELD-M at maybe 2650 fps, offers exterior ballistics out to1500 yards comparable to the 300 Win-Mag, but with less recoil, barrel wear, cost or weight. It stays supersonic 500-600 yards past most .308-caliber loads, yet can still function from a short-action rifle. Switch-over from .308 to 6.5 CM is a snap in a lot of cases since many .308 magazines also work with 6.5 CM. An AR10 upper in 6.5 CM can still utilize Magpul .308 mags, for example. In the hunting realm, the venerable 6.5x55 (Swedish Mauser) has a slight edge in range and power due to its long-action case, whereas the 6.5 CM, being a short-action features shorter and lighter cartridges, and a rifle which is potentially 1/2 lb. lighter. In real-world hunting terms, the differences between 6.5 CM, .260 Rem. and 6.5x55 are probably negligible in most circumstances. The 270 hits harder than all of them.
@BW-sd3bk
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. You’ve confirmed what I thought is the right choice for me. 308 for an iron-sight lever-action.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, between those two.
@quigley4440
3 жыл бұрын
Eats barrels? I took hundreds of groundhogs out to 500 yards with my Ruger 220 Swift. Shot a 52 gr. soft point at 4,000 fps. Did it eat the barrel? No. Run a patch or two every 10 rounds. Clean it well and let the inside of the barrel soak with solvent a couple of hours and watch the green on the patch - old Hoppes. The rifle just made one enlarged hole at 100 yards. Everyone back then said - 220's eat barrels.
@stevedouglas5443
2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a 308 walnut bolt action Sporter, and I'm having a hell of a time finding one.
@BulletsNBrass
2 жыл бұрын
Used market, but even that's lousy right now. Plus hunting season... I bet you can get one after deer season closes. Otherwise, throw money at it via the internet if that's an option. Let's face it, supply chain be damned, if you'll pay enough, SOMEONE will sell it.
@jasonlopez4855
9 ай бұрын
For the price of 223 is the same as 308 now in my 🔫 shop and 6.5 creedmore is $5 more I'm big 6.5 PRC fan for big game power and speed in one.
@Healthliving1967
3 жыл бұрын
The difference is. 308 rounds are always available at my local gun shop,these 6.5 are barely there everytime i go to purchase reloading gear. If you want good old stopping power .308 over 6.5 creedmore anyday.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Normally I'd mostly agree, 308 is still more available. What's been weird is that I've seen way more 6.5 in the past six months. I'm only talking locally, I haven't shopped for either online since I got some 6.5 last spring.
@Healthliving1967
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass yeah different here in Australia, you barely see 6.5 creedmore ammunition on the shelves were i live,even out on the range when i was sighting in my new scope,there was one shooter shooting 6.5 creedmore,there was about 20 shooters last time i went out and they were mostly .22 cal and .308,270,and 223 calibres. The creedmore isnt a popular choice were i am,but theres no doubt heaps of other people who are into the 6.5 creedmore here in other Australian states.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
@@Healthliving1967 Yup, every area is different. I've never looked into the modern shooting situation down under. I'm slightly amazed 6.5 is there at all given the gun laws, but I guess if you're gonna go to the trouble you'd probably be more into it than the average joe around here.
@Healthliving1967
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass the calibres isnt the problem with Australian gun laws, its the firearm. Besides .50 cal you can own anything under .50 cal as long as its bolt action and not semi-automatic. You can get a licence to own semi-automatic weapons but the screening process is so complicated they have made it nearly impossible to aquire anything semi-automatic for general population, if your involved in law enforcement, military,or security then no problem with acquiring semi-automatic pistols and rifles.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
@@Healthliving1967 Gotcha. For some reason I was thinking even new bolt actions were fairly tough to get. Glad to have been wrong on that.
@LovingIdaho
3 жыл бұрын
I will stick to the 308 . It has not let me down . Also , I already have enough ammo to last me until I croak . Most my hunting is out to 300 yards . It will drop anything from a moose to bear and on down to deer , wolves and coyotes . After over 30 years , I know the 308 . I trust the 308 , no reason to change . 6.5 is a goid target round , but I have no use for it .
@cbwelch4
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 CM is not that fast.. in fact comparable to .308. It flies better due to its BC. .30-06, .270 or .243 flies faster. As far as wearing out barrels faster, if they are both flying at 2,700-2,800 FPS, would they not have similar barrel life too? I own both and like the 6.5. For medium sized game, I think it is fine. But if I ran into a 350 lbs boar, probably .308 is superior at typical ranges. My .308 isn’t going anywhere. The 6.5 is more fun to shoot, but it costs more to shoot. They both have their purpose.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
It has to do with throat erosion, which is a combination of diameter and pressure more than final velocity. We just tend to refer to it as a velocity issue. In theory, 243 has the same issue, but most 243 owners don't spend a lot of time target shooting so they never notice. Rifles primarily used for hunting rarely notice the issue regardless of caliber. The exceptions are things like 22-250 where you are likely to fire enough rounds in a row, and total, to have it become a problem.
@cbwelch4
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass I didn’t think of wear where the bullets lock up due to pressure and the angle of the throat. That has to be it.
@KOK678770
3 жыл бұрын
Nobody wins. 6.5 target round. 308 - hunting and military.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
but that's not exciting and doesn't get people fired up and watching videos. :)
@KOK678770
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass yea. People will compare it for years.
@Fudmottin
3 жыл бұрын
I really wish Federal Gold Match 175gr 308 Winchester was only $1/round! LOL. When you get to the 180gr Berger stuff, you go north of $2/round. You can get good BC from a 308. You just need a heavier, longer bullet. You also need a 1:10 twist to keep it stable.
@davidmeeks2405
3 жыл бұрын
For average folks the. 308 has been around a lot longer thus more surplus ammo available at more reasonable prices. And let's face it, long range shooting (although a lot of fun) is a very expensive and time consuming hobby.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
If you're shooting surplus, definitely 308, since there isn't any for 6.5 and there's no cost equivalent. For anything else though, the price difference has shrunk to the point of being insignificant. The real issue there is still availability. I'm not sure we'll ever see 6.5CM as commonly available as 308. There isn't a big enough difference to have it really replace 308 even for new buyers so 308 will always have the first to market advantage. I suspect that we'll actually see 6.5 peak and start to get nibbled away at by newer rounds that steal its competition and long range hunting markets. There's always something newer and better coming out and if you don't have the history and military background that 308 does, you can quickly find yourself replaced. I'm not saying I think 6.5CM will be killed off, just eventually lose the dominance it has right now and become more like a 7mm Rem Mag. A great round that people know about but not a popular day to day option for most.
@davidh9659
2 жыл бұрын
Old stuff is bad because engineers r smarter today? What about 9mm and 45ACP? Do those suck too? The 30-06? Sure, the 308 could benefit from a little steeper shoulder angle and (depending on goal) maybe some additional COAL to seat out bullets farther, but all in all? It remains an amazing allrounder.
@TheWarriorsMind
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, ethical hunting ranges considered, they both do the job well .(400 yds is the max range I would consider ethical.) With a 200 yard zero and 2700 muzzle vel., at 400 yds, a 6.5 143 eld-x will drop -22.43, drift 9.47 and have 1467 energy. A 308 178 eld-x at 2620 muzzle vel., at 400 yds, will drop -24.83, drift 11.36, and 1603 energy I dont think a deer, elk, hog, or etc. would notice a difference. The main thing is Recoil (6.5 =11.87) vs (308 = 18.27) and S.D. (6.5 = .293) vs (308 = .268). In both cases, the 6.5 wins. For 100+ yrs, people in Europe have used the 6.5x55 to take elk. I have never seen bullet proof vests on elk yet and they are the same size as they have always been. Personally, I own both calibers in rifles and encore 12" pistols. I enjoy hunting with the encore 12" 6.5 creedmoor using the 143 eld-x. At 2350 muzzle vel., it has >1300 energy at 300 yds. That is more than enough for deer and elk.
@stevegertz3902
3 жыл бұрын
Great informative video
@brandon974
3 жыл бұрын
solid breakdown yeah
@andrewspringer3565
3 жыл бұрын
308 great round.Good for everything in north america,everything.Is the creedmore? Enough said.mic drop!
@gsxr1189
3 жыл бұрын
So is 6.5cm. Used to be that 308 hunting loads had an energy advantage on 6.5cm for the 1st few hundred yards but they improve on 6.5cm's loadings all the time and that's not the case anymore. Berger has a new factory 6.5cm ammo the 156gr Hunting VLD with a 0.679 BC that runs the same energy out the muzzle as 308's hunting loads. So if that was the argument you were making it's null and void.
@db.cannon
3 жыл бұрын
nock on dude haha. appreciate the video. leaning .308 as an entry level hunting/target rifle. honestly i think it's gonna come down to what I can find on the used market.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Perfectly good reason to pick one over the other these days, or any day if you don't have a strong preference. If they weren't both so good it wouldn't be such a popular topic.
@rontate7719
3 жыл бұрын
Recoil. For me that's it at this point ,maintaining a lethal dose down range.. 12 /15% less recoil than .308. That's good for me..
@MrCRAIG5550
2 жыл бұрын
I SHOOT FEDERAL 110 GR FACTORY AMMO IN MY AAC/SD 308......3300FPS......SMOKES CRITTERS IN THE FIELD....SUB 1/2 INCH MOA ALL DAY LONG
@FlatEarthFighter
3 жыл бұрын
1 year later and try to find 6.5 ammo almost impossible, 308 ammo everywhere
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Next ammo panic will probably be the same as well. I'm pretty sure it comes down to a combination of them focusing on the highest demand and component availability. 308 brass is a parent case for a lot of rounds, so they're never going to not have a line making it even if sometimes the last stage or two turns it into a different caliber. 6.5CM brass? Not so much. It just makes sense for them to focus on efficiently meeting the largest demand, and I don't think 6.5CM will ever replace 308 there. Heck, it could be better in every way and it still wouldn't replace it in the market.
@itstherightone5179
2 жыл бұрын
Both go out to 1000 yards. Both go out to 1 mile. I can't find 6.5 cm. Every NATO Country uses 7.62x51 just saying when SHTR
@johnbillenstein8872
3 жыл бұрын
It's almost 5 to 1. ... unless they make a barrel out of Captan America shield metal the 6.5 is less than 1000 rounds the 308 is 5000 round barrel before the moa degradation
@Remymoto
3 жыл бұрын
what kind of ammo are YOU using? That's gotta be some crazy over pressure pushing the limits kinda stuff.
@johnbillenstein8872
3 жыл бұрын
@@Remymoto I am using regular ammo . I can tell you are confused by my comments
@jasonlopez4855
9 ай бұрын
6.5 creedmore can't even go through 3/8 mild steel. The 308 win has no problem with 3/8 mild steel 🤔 I've shot steel to see the out come from plenty of rounds. Is kno 6.5 PRC what I've seen and shot. But like the 6.5 Creedmoe for paper on the range is cheeper stuff like the 308 win but 6.5 creedmore is not a power house.
@geeeee8268
3 жыл бұрын
For me personally, I just want to keep caliber variety to the minimum. And (I might be wrong) doesn't 6.5 require longer barrel?
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
People seem to run about the same lengths. Somewhere in the 22-26" range depending on design intent. You CAN run shorter, but just like with 308 you get some wicked muzzle blast and start losing significant velocity. I'm honestly not sure which starts hitting that line first as you shrink the length. I imagine you could hand load both to do ok down to around 18. Pressure is going to become a factor real fast if you go to faster powders to still get full burn. Obviously that assumes you are trying to get at least semi-optimal performance from the ammo. It's always interesting, some folks want ammo commonality, others want a variety and figure there will always be SOMETHING available that way. I only had the one 308 and one 223 bolt action so I traded both in once I was sure I liked the 6.5CM. The 223 ammo will get used, all of it will feed in an AR. The 308 ammo just got tucked away for a future build. Now I focus on the one 6.5CM for bolt action and have built a modest depth to my supply for it. I'm like you, I prefer fewer calibers. I handload so I'm rarely at the mercy of what's on the shelf at the store.
@scotto5426
3 жыл бұрын
At distance the boat tail design of 6.5 is superior.
@snek9353
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah cause no .308 bullet has ever been made with a boat tail.
@DHFHades
3 жыл бұрын
to hunt large game here I need 30 caliber minimum...I would love a rifle in 6.5 though.
@jfox71
2 жыл бұрын
I cannot agree when you state after 200yds the 6.5 is better. I push a 175g with alliant 2000 at 2750fps bc is .520 g1. The terminal performance on game is superior out to 500yds. I agree the 6.5 is better after that. At 400 yrds i dial 5.5 moa sigted in 2 inch high at 100(ethical hunting distance) a 6.5 may dial 5 but the energy is around 300ft lbs more. If you're talking shooting steel the 6.5 wins if you're talking hunting at ethical distances 308 is superior. Put the numbers in a ballistic calculator and see.
@BulletsNBrass
2 жыл бұрын
People hunt things other than deer. Also, once you start hand loading, all the math changes for both calibers.
@jfox71
2 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass I can't agree with handloading changing things. What is the potential of each cartridge. I would be willing to bet there are more deer hunters than any other game probably combined. If you're taking smaller like coyote and prairie dogs you would be better off with a smaller caliber.
@michaelodonoghue7464
3 жыл бұрын
In some parts of the world you can not legally hunt with anything less than a 308. In fact in some places the 308 is considered too small to hunt, thus the 6.5 leaves you out in the cold completely.
@kennardjohnson7875
3 жыл бұрын
My 308 of choice, rem 660 short barrel and Hornady black amax 168 grn,I have many 3006 for different purposes. Only caliber I'm missing 284 Winchester. I laugh at people who like the Creedmoor.
@123joshmallett
3 жыл бұрын
Yea any one have a huge stash? Let me know
@dt3852
2 жыл бұрын
I’m on 308.
@deadgameguns
3 жыл бұрын
If you got the money & desire play with new rounds...if you’re on a budget I’d stick with a military round that half the world uses.
@rockjohnson2879
3 жыл бұрын
Both work great. Just how far u want to shoot.. 700/1000 you can push a 308... 6.5 you better range and energy at 700/1200 yards.
@jabreck1934
3 жыл бұрын
Who wins second place behind 8 mm
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
If you handload, pretty much everyone as long as you're good with the available bullets. It's a decent selection these days but still not as big a variety as 30 cal.
@williamshao1985
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 is batter for long range, by a wide margin, and less recoil. 308 is batter in every other aspects.
@shannonmarcantel7993
3 жыл бұрын
308 for hunting and 6.5 for1000 yard paper punching
@sparky_-mf2cs
3 жыл бұрын
If i want smaller faster caliber ill take the 270 over the 6.5 anyday. Shit ill take a 243 over the 6.5 for hunting. Now if u wana shoot paper targets well maybe thats a diff story..
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Well, to each their own, but 270 isn't comparable, it's a long action round and definitely the winner in terms of energy at all ranges compared to 6.5 CM and 308. The 243 though? Not to disparage the 243, which is an excellent round, but it's a notch under the 6.5 Creedmoor in power. It has the speed advantage though, so if you needed a flatter trajectory and didn't mind a significantly shorter barrel life, it's certainly a great round.
@sparky_-mf2cs
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass 243 barrel life isnt any less than a 6.5. What is your definition of power when it comes to cartridges? Because obviously a 243 has more velocity. Are you talkin about energy or sectional density? One thing i agree. To each his or her own 👍. I see things from a hunting perspective. Not a target shooters perspective.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
@@sparky_-mf2cs Either KE or momentum. Either way the 6.5 CM is ahead of the 243. The sectional density math would obviously be very range specific since the 243 loses velocity faster but starts out significantly faster. I imagine that within the effective ranges the 243 is always going faster but I don't have time to look it up right now. I tend toward slower and heavier within a category. 6.5CM and 243 are very different but do fit in a similar niche overall. There's a reason I try to avoid terms like "stopping power" since there are so many ways to achieve that and they don't always convert to nice math.
@davidh9659
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass Also kinda difficult to find twist rates for those extra heavy 243 bullets if you want the cartridges full long range potential. Have seen several rifles all of which had custom barrels :/
@sparky_-mf2cs
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass sectional density math has nothing to do with velocity. Although it all matters in the end result. 243 and 6.5 have similar sectional density. Which is what helps penetrate and animal
@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
3 жыл бұрын
Make mine a .308 Win. It does everything I need from it, as it has for millions of others since 1952. If I need more performance from a short action, I'd go with something like the .284 Win, since everything the Creedmoor can do, the .284 Win can do better. Creedmoor fans like to suggest their cartridge is ultra modern uber rocket science that renders everything else obsolete. They look at you like you're using an atlatl if you use a .308 Win. In truth, not only is the Creedmoor not ultra modern uber rocket science, it renders nothing obsolete and can be soundly beaten by a cartridge introduced in 1962. So .308 Win from my AR10s, .284 Win from a bolt action, no need for a Creedmoor for anything.
@drysori
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I got about 5000 rounds of surplus 7.62 x 51 and 3000 rounds of .308 win. I guess I'll just have to keep shooting my 3 rifles chambered in it.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good position to be in.
@bradmccall1
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 is not modern. It has just been marketed to the extreme.
@rayval4522
3 жыл бұрын
Why 308 is twist and 110 all the time
@richardjones1446
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Bullets N Brass If you would like to get rid of your .308 ammo, I'm willing to take it off your hands.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
lol. Folks keep offering, but the couple local friends/associates I offered to sell to at fair prices weren't interested. I decided to keep it. At some point I imagine I'll have a use for it again.
@sekhemmontu7072
3 жыл бұрын
Respect your choice, however perceived data and real data between these two is no contest. .308 is king.
@jP-nw7nm
7 ай бұрын
Can’t hate 308
@kerrypurcell6022
3 жыл бұрын
i have rifles in both calibers,, like them both,,,,,i feel the 308 is the better hunting cartridge for game bigger than deer,,, the 6.5 is a little better at long ranges for hitting targets,, but at long range its low on energy,,the 308,,,,,is not a real long range game getter either,,,but both offer enough for most reasonable range shots,, right now i can buy 308,,,,,,,nothing can be found in 6.5,,,
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
It's funny how different areas have different ammo more available. Locally they seem to be about equal for loaded ammo and if anything the reloading supply situation favors 6.5 because 6.5 doesn't have most of it's advantages in this area, we just don't see those kinds of distances.
@Sean2002FU
3 жыл бұрын
I get it, you like 6.5...and that is excellent! But I'm sooo tired of this, "well, 308 is 70 year old tech" nonsense...the same tech to make 6.5 is used to make 308! Its a game of trade offs! 6.5 will not replace 308 on the battle field for many reasons, except for specific units ( spec ops guys). Its the new tacti- cool round and when the dust settles it will be just another offering, like Grendel, or 300 blackout was for AR's..." OMG DUDE, YOU GOTA CONVERT TO GAS PISTON!!" remember that crap?? If you prefer 6.5, God bless you! I'm happy your shooting! But please stop with the marketing crap, there are a thousand reasons the military will not replace the 308 with 6.5, and I'm not typing that long! Peace brother. Keep shooting!
@macgyver5108
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but this is quite literally a "terrible" video with TONS of major holes (and not like the ones that should be in your target!). Because the real answer is, "depends"! If you want to sort of "handicap" or limit yourself to around 800 yards BUT have more available ammo then go .308, especially for SHTF. But if you want more accuracy, downrange energy, less wind drift and more importantly WAY less RECOIL which makes it WAY easier to put rounds on target at ANY range go with the 6.5! "Logistically" it's roughly about 30%~ less drop, wind drift and recoil with 6.5 Creedmoor vs a .308, plus a 6.5mm at the same velocity has a lot more hydrostatic shock/killing power too because it retains velocity and penetrates better. "Good luck" finding ammo for a 6.5 right now though unless you don't care about "long range" accuracy with the specific ammo yours shoots best with...
@snek9353
3 жыл бұрын
You can send me your .308, just sayin. I recently spent big bucks building a really nice AR10/SR25. In the 6.5CM vs 308Win contest .308 won.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
I am hanging onto it. I have a feeling that I might do the same. While 6.5CM may be my choice for the bolt gun, in something I might want to do higher round count stuff it's nice to be able to buy surplus. At least eventually, maybe... But, congrats on the new rifle. A nice AR10 is a thing of beauty. Not the same as a nice traditional rifle, but there are different forms of art.
@snek9353
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass Darn it, I really thought you'd send it to me, lol. Oddly surplus wasn't really something I considered, this sucker is only getting match grade and handloads, I'll shoot my surplus in my M1A or other AR10. I used some cheaper stuff for the first 10 break in rounds but that's it. However one of the reasons was what if I'm scrounging for ammo, in that case .308win/7.62NATO would be easier to come by than 6.5CM. Another related reason is that I also do a lot with 300BLK, keeping as much as possible 30cal is practical. An additional reason you didn't mention is barrel length. For equal efficiency the 6.5CM needs a longer barrel than 308Win. A longer barrel not only of course makes the rifle heavier and longer. But also it increases barrel whip/harmonics effecting accuracy. 6.5CM has a flatter trajectory but .308Win is easier to make one hole accurate. Trajectory is easy to compensate for, barrel harmonics not so much. Really the comparison between .308Win and 6.5CM isn't much different than comparing 300BLK to 5.56NATO.
@thesickening0169
3 жыл бұрын
@@snek9353 Perhaps a silly question but, regarding 300BLK and keeping 30 cal stuff on hand, are you using the same projectiles in loading 300BLK that you are loading .308? Or did you mean something else?
@snek9353
3 жыл бұрын
@@thesickening0169 Not yet, I certainly can, and probably will in the future, but so far no. There's yet to be loads for both that I want to put together that use the same bullet. Currently the most important 30 cal items I have that the two share is silencers. But the ability to share bullets is a part of my back up plans should ammo become a bigger issue. I also intend one day to put together some .308Win subs and will likely try the same bullet in both. But in general the needs are different, different weights and different terminal velocities.
@thesickening0169
3 жыл бұрын
@@snek9353 Great, thank you for the info man. It is appreciated!
@DinoNucci
3 жыл бұрын
Correct
@montanawild7558
3 жыл бұрын
Who farted?
@stuartnevins8098
3 жыл бұрын
I need some 308 ammo if you are going to get rid of it. Comment me back and name your price
@dave-d-grunt
Жыл бұрын
.308
@macprince5667
3 жыл бұрын
One statement is relevant, bigger bullets kill better.
@madride858585
3 жыл бұрын
6.5 CM all day
@Me2Lancer
3 жыл бұрын
I have multiple calibers and have had 6.5x55 Swede for more than 20 years. I've added the Creedmoor. Flatter trajectory over long range has major advantages. Again, I evaluate the target situation and choose the caliber and cartridge that best fits. Btw, Swedes have been taking moose with the 6.5x55 for generations.
@BulletsNBrass
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to go wrong with the Swede. I think the only reason the 6.5CM took off the way it did was the length. It fits in an AICS magazine, which opened it up to the massive number of 308 shooters with minimal hassles compared to the longer options. That and really good marketing, of course.
@Me2Lancer
3 жыл бұрын
@@BulletsNBrass Introduced by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor opened with an abundance of publicity backed by a large marketing budget.
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