this is an exciting innovation! well done to the engineering team designing this process! 👏😎
@canadianoddy8504
Жыл бұрын
That is so cool. I"m a retired certified millwright and wish I wasn't such an old man now (63). I would learn about CAD, CNC, and this Metal Printing. Very very cool. It would be so awesome to be resurrected from the grave in another 100 yrs to see what has developed out of this tech. One thing I would really liked to have seen you do in this video is some destructive testing to see how strong these prints are. Near future video on this ??????
@FPVtrix
Жыл бұрын
Talked with these guys few years back. Wanted to use their stuff for stainless exhaust printing and engine parts. Still day dream about it now and then 😅
@frikkied2638
Жыл бұрын
I can get behind any company with Dan Gelbart in the driving seat
@Mobile_Dom
Жыл бұрын
oh, its the printer LMG has in the labs
@platin2148
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like pretty expensive in comparison to powder especially if there is no competition in that system. Still a interesting system.
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
Much less waste, facility costs, handling costs, safety measures..... it's an entirely different beast, bringing the costs significantly lower compared to powders
@DT-gm2zi
Жыл бұрын
One of those things is that if you need to know the price, it's probably out of reach.
@انا_ابراهيم_البناوي
Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely love an affordable desktop Metal 3D printer but most are just too expensive and proprietary
@3dprintedhardware
Жыл бұрын
@@انا_ابراهيم_البناوي The day will come though when affordable desktop Metal 3D printers are available and I built a business on that belief. For now though high temp filaments are useful for making strong parts. I buy HTN CF25 from Vision Miner and I printed one of our 11/16 wrenches with it and it got up to 35 foot pounds of torque which is generally more than you would ever be using a wrench that size for.
@circleofowls
Жыл бұрын
@@3dprintedhardware Essentium's HTN-CF25 is the most incredible material I've ever printed with. It does need to be dry but damn, it's as easy to print as PLA and it'll easily replace aluminum machining in most of our fixtures.
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
Epic! Send over pics/videos of parts, and we'll feature your company in a video! media@visionminer.com
@انا_ابراهيم_البناوي
Жыл бұрын
@@circleofowls That's a new one I'll make sure to check it out might get one for my college they've been looking for filaments like that
@luciankristov6436
Жыл бұрын
Eventually metal 3D printers will be simplified and be sold to household consumers for the same price of high temp printers in the next 10 or so years. I love technology!
@TheOneLifeRider
Жыл бұрын
I love the concept of making assemblies with the paste. I think that's one of the best features.
@beez1598
Жыл бұрын
the music bed is very distracting.
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting us know! Finding a good middle ground for these type of videos, had to cover up some of the expo floor noise :)
@beez1598
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner understandable! Thanks for the consideration. It was taking away from the amazing tech displayed is all.
@ddegn
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. The music wasn't awful but I think it would have been better without it.
@calvinkattola9999
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner the music rocks
@davidruppelt
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner Have you tried AI based noise reduction? That usually is pretty good for this type of noise. Voices do sound a bit weird if you completly remove the noise, but with medium reduction and some quieter music beds it should come out way better than this.
@gizmobowen
Жыл бұрын
Internesting new solution for metal 3D printing. Will be interesting to see how it compares to selective laser sintering. That seems to be the leading technology in the industry.
@ddegn
Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to know a bit more about the support they were using. Thanks for another really interesting video.
@DisorderedArray
Жыл бұрын
He said ceramic supports, so I guess it has to be a material that survives the sintering process intact. I wonder how much of an issue it is to remove it, probably internal supports aren't feasible.
@htomerif
Жыл бұрын
"its better than a weld. Its closer to a braze" Its very concerning to hear those words leave the mouth of someone working with metal printing. You're basically screaming "this technology has no structural application whatsoever". I hope you got that backwards.
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
According to the internet, "Brazing is better than welding at joining dissimilar metals. It can form strong bonds while not significantly changing the properties of the two metals." -- that would make sense. But this is certainly an interesting point you bring up!
@htomerif
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner You're 100 percent right, its not just better at joining dissimilar metals. Brazing is the only option. Steel and aluminum is the obvious one. Here, we're talking about welding (sintering, actually) the same metal together. The exact same metal. The only time you would use brazing (aka soldering) is for convenience, where strength and high temperature function aren't issues and needing to take the pieces apart again is an issue. There are a lot of metal 3d printing techniques out there, from powder bed fusion for precision to additive MIG welding for strength and uniformity of the metal, to regular FDM with high metal content filament that requires sintering later, the only real advantage of which is cost. So cost is the real question here. Powder bed printers and additive welding machines are going to start very conservatively at 100k USD and shoot up from there. Unless these guys are bringing a whole system to the table for less than 10k USD, I don't see the point. Having a shrinkage factor of 10 percent (or similar) puts it in the same usefulness category as a Creality Ender using Utrafuse filament. Its great to see innovation, not so great to see gimmicks. I think all they've got here is removing the debinding step in FDM sintered metal 3D printing.
@neverwipe
Жыл бұрын
I think he means that the entire contact patch between the parts are joined together, like a braze would be when the material wets between the surfaces from capillary action. Also, similar to a oven braze, there isn't weakened surrounding area due to internal stress like there is in welding without post process.
@htomerif
Жыл бұрын
@@neverwipe I already covered all this in another comment, but no. What you said would make a tiny shred of sense if he wasn't standing right next to a sintering furnace. There's too much to cover here, but I would suggest watching one of the many videos on Ultrafuse, but not a paid sponsorship. These parts come with some worse internal stresses than any welded parts. Thick parts crack and any change in thickness creates stresses that can't be annealed away like they can in a welded part. I sort of get what you're saying, but brazing is always bad unless welding literally isn't an option or strength doesn't matter, and brazing steel DEFINITELY gets the steel hot enough to ruin its temper and it can't be quenched again without cracking the braze. I mean lets put it this way: if you had a cracked engine block that you wanted to save (aluminum or steel), you would NEVER braze it and pretend it was going to work. Welding is the only option.
@neverwipe
Жыл бұрын
@@htomerif I agree that he could have worded it in a less confusing way. The joint that's created from water bonding is no different than the base material since, as he said, the solvent in the paste is water. It's still not considered welding, the bond created is just plain sintering, like the rest of the material. IMO, this is actually a very attractive property that you wouldn't get with the standard fdm/debind style methods. This company talks about this in other youtube content. Btw, I respectfully disagree with your view on brazing. In some joint applications, even where your bonding the same metal, it is stronger. Brazing an overlap for a shear joint is better than just welding the edges, for example, a sleeve over a round bar. They're especially strong if you use an alloy like saftey silv 45. This isnt true for tig brazing, which is weaker than tig welding. I think brazing is slept on since it makes less sense on larger structures, so its not popular. I am a fan of both welding and brazing. They each have their applications.
@ProtonFilms_Mark
Жыл бұрын
So realistically, how far away is one of these from my desktop? Let's assume I have Bambulabs X1 money to invest in a metal printer, am I a decade away? A year? A month?
@techpriest4787
Жыл бұрын
Too bad that I have space issues. The sinter device kills it for me.
@ProtonFilms_Mark
Жыл бұрын
@@techpriest4787 I too would prefer for it to be a Hail Mary device, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that much of a hassle to own a kiln of some sort to produce metal on a whim.
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
The metal powder costs more than a bambulab right now.... so you're in for a bit of a wait :)
@ProtonFilms_Mark
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner figures. I am still excited to be able to make bespoke parts for my projects in the future.
@markmalonson7531
Жыл бұрын
We need to crowdsource access to the best of these designs for all. He should include prices in the presentations so we don't have to search.
@jamieclarke321
9 ай бұрын
Is this the company that Dan gelbart is part of?
@circleofowls
Жыл бұрын
This is a really promising tech, please keep us updated!
@Crokto
Жыл бұрын
oh shit this is the printer ltt just showed off in their labs video. cool stuff, but i wish youd let them show off more of the tech in their videos!
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
Oh no way! Where is that video??
@Crokto
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpiJ14eQnqh8om0 starts around 13:16
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you!
@anthonygarrison3120
Жыл бұрын
I think this technology will make it's way to the public D.I.Y. market before SSS does at an affordable cost basis.
@brianhutchinson7863
Жыл бұрын
Our process... I independently came to the same idea approximately a year ago. I wanted to figure out a viable way to D.I.Y. a metal 3D printer and knew SLS Powder was too complicated/costly. Discovered M.I.M. and knew of ceramic paste printing and people printing freaking Nutella onto toast. No way I could afford to own a metal printer and unfortunately even having simultaneously realized this process on my own can't afford to even start build my own metal paste printer. But yeah great work RAPIDIA. Maybe you or vision minor would care to offer a little assistance to a skilled "visionary". I have at least two other ideas/inventions for the additive manufacturing space...
@evilsdexter5261
5 ай бұрын
pretty cool
@samueldummler7307
9 ай бұрын
$100,000 USD 🤣
@mechadense
Жыл бұрын
3:53 - I wonder if this technology would be suitable for on demand parts for UHV systems. Rough internal surfaces might have too much gas adsorbtion maybe.
@arned432
Жыл бұрын
I think it will work for bulk parts, and laser printing is better suited for precision work. From what I understand, laser printing can become messy when printing something as thick as 2cm, and the process is very slow (correct me if I'm mistaken). I'm also a bit concerned about material shrinking during curing in the kiln, but ability to machined after cure process impresive.
@mostwantedmes
Жыл бұрын
Nice machine ! But i think is to small ! Where i can find more information like where to buy etc... ?
@bobwatkins1760
Жыл бұрын
Excellent tech.....now if they could only do this process so that we could make parts at home rather than a huge oven like shown....
@degreeless_engineering
Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool, but looks like you'd have to buy cartridges from them directly.
@Jkauppa
Жыл бұрын
tin sn99 solder filament 3d printing, then electroplating/forming directly
@rick5078
Жыл бұрын
wonder if this method can be used to make 99% copper parts.
@janlassen6101
Жыл бұрын
KZitemrs claims that Superglue and Metalpowder is incredible strong. I tried with some powder left from grinding in steel, but it seems to be difficult to mix with the glue, but got a little piece that seems to be very hard. More testing is needed. One problem is that superglue is very expensive. But that mix should be possible to 3d print with. Now just make the machine for it, thanks.
@alf3071
Жыл бұрын
doesn't that water remain inside the parts?
@prednosttrake
Жыл бұрын
Incredible machine. I want one.
@emberprototypes
Жыл бұрын
Cool to see you cover their machine! We're good friends with several people there 🙂
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
They're great, great people!
@MichielvanderMeulen
Жыл бұрын
BG music alert :(
@Quatuux
Жыл бұрын
Can it make bridges and overhangs with this paste? Up to what angle?
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
Up to 45º overhangs, and they use the support material for overhangs :)
@giuliobuccini208
Жыл бұрын
I suppose shrinkage will never bee the same on the three XYZ axis, so this method will always produce warped/deformed parts depending on the object shape... Or I'm missing something?
@DRMH2016
6 ай бұрын
Shrinkage along the Z axis is often higher than the XY, but once the process is dialed in, the difference is pretty constant. So, you can scale up the print (i.e., “green” part) in the slicer by one factor for XY and another factor for Z, and obtain the desired dimensions after sintering.
@jpii6074
3 ай бұрын
@@DRMH2016with the cost of material it sounds like it will be an expensive endeavor, but then again I doubt cost will be of concern for most buying this printer
@whatthefunction9140
Жыл бұрын
You could make epic heat exchangers with this
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
100%
@newagetemplar6100
Жыл бұрын
Always cool to see stuff like this The only thing that really annoys me is the price of the machines, ok yeah you deserve some payback for your research and need to make a profit which I’m fine with but the over the top sintering chamber , controls and software detracts from the main concept. It’s the actual concept and process that will make it viable. Charging vast amounts for over the top bling to provide ‘sales marketing’ is irrelevant . Kinda hypocritical of me to say it does look a nice bit of kit though lol 😝
@VisionMiner
Жыл бұрын
I'm always on the fence with this..... developing it in the first place takes lots of capital, manufacturing it takes raw material and labor, and then supporting it over time and scaling takes lots of labor/salaries -- and those salaries are not cheap, minimum wage labor, and then they still need to make it better -- this is why we actually see many of these companies not being profitable, or not for many years -- thus, the early-adopter phase always helps bring the technology to market, then as it develops, becomes cheaper over time -- but putting it out there cheap in the first place can be a recipe for disaster, for an underdeveloped technology -- if it doesn't work well yet, the consensus will be that it doesn't work, and it won't gain momentum and become it's potential.... alternatively, make it open and cheap, and watch it develop even faster, that sometimes works as well. Good times!
@newagetemplar6100
Жыл бұрын
@@VisionMiner Yeah I know what you mean , it is a funny one . Developing new tech can be expensive mechanically though a lot of this tech is fairly basic and decades old . Bach in 2006 I purchased a powder 3D printer for castings delving around the cabinet would have been more expensive than the mechanics inside the vacuum / de powdering unit was an off the shelf vacuum and compressor in a fancy unit and the vibratory sieve I could have fabricated for a 1/4 of the price and made it out of stainless . Cost me aprox 27k . Seems sometimes their marketing dept focus on the looks to impress accountants , buyers and directors who know little about manufacturing . That said it’s still vital to any company to have pride in their products and looks so sell . 👍🇬🇧
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