Why spend hundreds for a 3dconnexion SpaceMouse when your regular mouse does the same thing faster?!?! What am I missing, folks? 5 Reasons to Use a Fixture Plate on Your CNC Machine: bit.ly/3sNA4uH
the fact that your window isn't full-screen is driving me INSANE.
@MrAM4D3U5
3 жыл бұрын
calm down
@mixchief
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAM4D3U5 No, these things are serious matters!! ;-)
@CrazyDadsDiy
2 жыл бұрын
I feel you😂
@yourpersonalspammer
2 жыл бұрын
I used to be like that. Even wanted the top window frame to begone so I "have more workspace". but once you let go of such nonsense and focus on the work instead you don't even see it anymore or in this case things like that don't matter. Most work is actually done in a small part of the screen anyway, about the size of a smartphone or less.
@IICODNERD
Жыл бұрын
He's part tme
@yetidynamics
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think you're using software that fully appreciates the use of a 3d mouse, I don't use mine to move objects, I use mine to move the *camera* around, to this end when doing modeling,. 3d texturing, and animation it has become invaluable, i'm able to move around objects in a way that would be completely tedious with a mouse. I can see how you probably don't like it that much since you're just using it to just rotate and pan objects.. try making a complicated landscape and flying around and in the scene with a mouse, it's unpleasant, but is a breeze with 3dnav
@mixchief
3 жыл бұрын
What 3D program are you using this with (I'm on Blender)? Are there any other potential uses for this, in non-3D programs perhaps? I'm on the fence buying the 3dconnection Spacemouse Enterprise thingy, looking for as much advice as I possibly can before shelling out the money. Also curious, if their (3Dconnexion's) own 3-button mouse is any good.
@yetidynamics
3 жыл бұрын
@@mixchief 3dsmax, and blender. it also works in Kerbal space program, I just use the Puck version with 2 buttons
@dushk0
2 жыл бұрын
@@mixchief the Cadmouse has a smooth action scroll wheel and it also has a dedicated middle button, so you don't move the wheel while clicking it, which happens even on a clicky wheel on a gaming mouse. You can control that by wrapping your finger around the wheel but then you are sliding the mouse while you click...so that's the good (maybe I'm overthinking it - if preventing accidental movement is crucial, one could as well use a trackball). The bad...only the 2 side buttons programmable? A cheap vertical mouse or a dual scroll wheel one might be just as interesting to try.
@micekmon
3 ай бұрын
@@mixchief Allplan Architecture + Twinmotion
@kevink747
8 жыл бұрын
I started using one of these when I was working in CAD 8 hours a day. Once you get good at using them, they do save some time, but the bigger reason to get one is to reduce repetitive strain injuries. This basically can cut in half the number of clicks that your right had has to perform while modeling.
@Rapbando
4 жыл бұрын
IDEM
@rakshaansoogrim6566
2 жыл бұрын
I don't have one but I understand the 3d mouse uses. Especially for 3d sculpting because you can navigate effectively and quickly. Especially when you are using a pen tablet to pressure sculpt. It also gives you a more smooth natural control, from what I have seen, and makes motion more fun and zen. I hate pressing keys repeatedly to toggle between pan, orbit and rotate. It becomes strenuous.
@adeeperbluegreen
2 жыл бұрын
If you are a machinist and computers are a thing that facilitates that function, a 3D mouse isn't your tool. If you are an engineer or designer who uses a CNC machine, an entirely different matter altogether! I for one cannot live without my 3D mouse. Watching the John doing all that clicking and moving and modifier keys and saying "see I can do everything with this mouse" made my ulnar nerve twitch! He wouldn't think that after doing that motion for 8 hours a day for 39 years.
@KingLewyYT
Жыл бұрын
You can use a 3d mouse and 2d mouse at same time… alone ur 2d mouse can do everything yes, but at a way slower pace. These tools are generally used in manufacturing. Time matters any time saved matters
@MarkRehorst
8 жыл бұрын
You can drive nails with a rock. Who needs a hammer?
@SupermuzuDK
7 жыл бұрын
Spot on!
@durandun
7 жыл бұрын
A L E C - L J a
@Gam3B0y23r0
7 жыл бұрын
It's like, why the fuck use Stylus when mouse can do the same... some people Zbrush with mouse...
@LeonAllanDavis
7 жыл бұрын
Wrong analogy. You can drive a 12d nail with a cheapo 16 oz claw hammer. You don't need an atomic-powered, liquid-cooled, gyro-stabilized, space-rated 1200 nps nail gun with gamma ray shielding.
@HemangJoshi
7 жыл бұрын
yo man... righty right....
@OscarGBecerra
5 жыл бұрын
wao, this made me remember 80's people saying they won't use computers typewriters are better
@clysher
4 жыл бұрын
Or the early '00s... I'll never have a cell phone! You can call my home phone!
@frankschafer1505
8 жыл бұрын
who needs a graphic interface. i do all my CAD on the console.
@carlblaskowitz7817
5 жыл бұрын
PoV Ray
@awmin2145
4 жыл бұрын
@@carlblaskowitz7817 hi Frank, which kind of program you use?
@carlblaskowitz7817
4 жыл бұрын
@@awmin2145 Cinema 4d, POV ray is for the autistic lol
@carlblaskowitz7817
4 жыл бұрын
@@awmin2145 Or you could be like John Carmack and write a an entire 3d engine in a bar, on paper with a pencil.... a foookin pencil?! Who the foook can do that?!
@awmin2145
4 жыл бұрын
@@carlblaskowitz7817 hhhhhhhhhh
@jbluemel
8 жыл бұрын
Because you can work in parallel. Both mice working at the same time. Yes, it takes time to master but once you do, you won't want to work any other way.
@jamespufflecock6466
8 жыл бұрын
+Jonathan Bluemel Solid point!
@proefpa
8 жыл бұрын
For me the 3D mouse is a gods gift but only when i use it with a Wacom Tablet and without the original mouse. You have very good point.
@NicolasTsagarides
5 жыл бұрын
Don't you need to type values and expressions like all the time?
@HappyBeezerStudios
4 жыл бұрын
Just like I would prefer the numpad on the left side for excel. With frequent cell hopping and c&p using numpad + mouse is much faster than using the numbers above the letter keys.
@danielkbastos10
4 жыл бұрын
Sure, but that don't make the price weller
@GS-lo2hd
6 жыл бұрын
This is the best thing that happened to Cad, 3D and parametric world since the invention of all that. Probably you don't find it useful due to the simplicity of your models/ assemblies. I personally can't go back to the old days when this didn't exist.
@WaveMaster1406
2 жыл бұрын
Bro I don't know how I can tell you really RIGHT!! Can't go without my 3Dconnexion Enterprise...
@dangle933
2 жыл бұрын
Subtle burn...
@SamBirchenough
8 жыл бұрын
Couldn't live without mine. Probably adds ~15% efficiency to my CAD workflow, especially on complex models.
@jrohit1110
4 жыл бұрын
I am broke. Please buy me one or... Donate.
@olivercoles87
8 жыл бұрын
I find them really useful when doing assemblies when you have to select opposite faces where you can only see one from a single view. Without one you have to click in and out of the constrain menu.
@jamespufflecock6466
8 жыл бұрын
For 3D modelling in Solid Edge, I find my Space Navigator totally indispensable. Also, CAM work in Fusion is a lot faster for me personally with the space navigator than without
@fassaklaq3425
7 жыл бұрын
3D mice are great for interior scenes in 3DS Max where the srcoll wheel often zooms out awkwardly sending you through walls and losing what you were working on.
@ChipMonkeys
8 жыл бұрын
Plenty of comments here! : ) I found that it is faster. 1. You can select faces while rotating the model. 2. It's more natural. One hand rotates, the other can manipulate the model. Selecting, pulling on control handles... 3. Customizable buttons save hand motions. Especially on multi button selections. like crt Z, crt v, crt s 4. Makes for better presentations. Keeps audience from getting sick : ) I get sick easy. 5. Its dope - the dope factor is quantifiable Remember, you are comparing this new process to something you've been doing for years. It's $100. There are 260 work-days a year. It would have to save you .385 Minutes a day to pay for itself at $60 an hour.
@LeeLloyd
8 жыл бұрын
Just to throw in my two cents, been using a six axis 3D mouse since my original Spaceball on my SGI back in the '90s. I just can't work without one at this point. I've used it in Maya, Modo, Solidworks, Inventor and Fusion 360, and find it a huge time saver. That said, everyone works differently, and there is no "right" way to do it. For me, the secret is a 3D mouse combined with a Wacom tablet. Where it really saves me time, and makes everything much faster, is when I am making selections on different faces of a model all around a model. For example lets say I have some extruded text, and I want to add a draft to the inside faces of the letters, but not the outside faces. The ability to be rotating the model and selecting faces at the same time, without having to select, then toggle to rotate, then select, then toggle to rotate, and so on, over the course of a long modeling session is so much faster. I also find the more freeform and sculptural your work, the more useful a 3D mouse seems to be, since there is much more need to constantly look at it from different angles, and sometimes select faces, points, edges and manipulators from different angles. When working with a tablet in absolute mapping, and a 3D mouse, I find that a great number of operations quickly become muscle memory, so you don't even have to think about where the menus are, you just kind of flick and do it. However, you are quite correct, you can do this with keyboard hotkeys too. I have just never been a big fan of hotkeys myself. For me, between mapping the buttons on the 3D mouse, and the buttons on the tablet, I hardly ever even have to touch my keyboard while working on a part. However, if you are a big keyboard guy, what you should probably check out instead of a 3D mouse, is something like the Razer Orbweaver, that gives you a very handy remappable keypad.
@leocana
6 ай бұрын
I've been searching around for someone commenting on this setup for a while now, and was lucky to read the comments on this. Can you share more insights on this setup? Maybe do a video about it, or contact me? I'm very dissatisfied with the regular way of KB+M after almost 20y doing architecture modeling, and this sounds like a dream setup.
@LeeLloyd
6 ай бұрын
@@leocana I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.
@makalaga56
4 ай бұрын
3d mouse with tablet and a stream deck for shortcuts ;) Best combo ever :D
@thomasallan5042
8 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I think you're right! The only thing I've ever thought of was you can orbit the part while moving the cursor at the same time. So it can speed up some tasks where you need to select a tool or something, but it's still not faster than using keybinds!!! Learning to use and setup keybinds efficiently is by far the greatest productivity enhancement available! A higher grade mouse with programable buttons on the thumb side also helps massively. I have Ctrl, Shift, Windows, Enter, and Escape keys bound to my mouse. That alone is a huge time saver!!!
@PowerSports
8 жыл бұрын
While i agree that it is insanely overpriced, i work as a Design Engineer full time, and the 3D mouse is very valuable to my workflow. When i mess around at home, i don't have it, and it makes it so difficult to work. I really wish there was a cheap off-brand 3D mouse!
@OoysteinO
8 жыл бұрын
I have used the same basic 3d Space mice for 8+ years and it has survived four computers, countless mice, keybords, phones, headsets, all which has about the same price-range. I would say it is one of the most well invested money I have done on that front.
@Gam3B0y23r0
7 жыл бұрын
it's a tool like Wacom, which makes your workflow more easy and less frustrating... you are palying in Comfort,for me it's a must thing.
@waynehedd
6 жыл бұрын
How are you a full time design engineer and but can't afford multiple 3D mouses?!?! Spend your money more wisely my man!
@digibluh
6 жыл бұрын
no kidding, even i have a space mouse pro and i am not an engineer. though i did get it 1/2 price.
@David-uw4tq
4 жыл бұрын
@@waynehedd No one said anything about not being able to afford it. I love my spacenavigator at work and sorely miss it at home, but there's no way I'm paying $300+ for one when I only use CAD a few times a year.
@Worrsaint
8 жыл бұрын
They do take a while to get used to, but once you do they are better overall in my opinion. The biggest benefit that I see is for the programmable buttons. You program them for common operations you do a lot and it does save a surprising amount of time. An example would be circle, or line or rectangle. The one I used to use also had axis lock so you could rotate only x, y, or z. You could also turn pan, zoom or rotate off if you are trying to get a view that has to be just right or you can't see a feature down in a hole or something. Just my $.02 YMMV.
@robertschultze7926
5 жыл бұрын
The way the 3d mouse translates your movements into movement in your editor is unrivaled. It feels like you are holding the object you are designing in your hand. It improved my 3d cad workflow immensely.
@robbiegrant4977
2 жыл бұрын
yep. almost like im in side the program.
@IVAN_ENT
Жыл бұрын
Just wait till everything is done in ar/vr haha was trying gravity sketch vr recently and was blown away and it's still quite basic I'm sure the industry will move that way personally
@professorfukyu744
10 ай бұрын
VR CAD will be the most amazing thing.
@proteummachining
8 жыл бұрын
Try to do any of those actions together with a mouse and keyboard and you'll start seeing the reason I love a 3D mouse. I can rotate the part while zooming in and find lines/holes/features far easier than separate pan then zoom then rotate. I often use it during fillet and chamfer edge selection too. I can go back and forth between the top and bottom of my part while actively clicking edges as it rolls. Using just the mouse and keyboard you are already occupying these with input
@proteummachining
8 жыл бұрын
+TehSiliconia with your space mouse you can only do one at a time? I'd try a new driver install, or go into the Space mouse program and set up a new profile. The whole point of the 3d mouse is multiaxis movement
@richard-sim
8 жыл бұрын
+Proteum Machining I completely agree - it's the simultaneous actions that make 3D mice amazing to use. It's not necessarily just due to them being done simultaneously however; I find it's more about the lower-friction to doing the actions at all, as you can effortlessly rotate/zoom/pan to the most effortless view to do the task at hand, so you're no longer trying to do an action from a suboptimal angle just because it hasn't occurred to you that another angle may be better (let alone click-dragged a few times with various modified keys held down each time).
@richard-sim
8 жыл бұрын
+TehSiliconia This may be the "Dominant" setting in the 3Dconnexion settings
@3dconnexion
8 жыл бұрын
+TehSiliconia Hi there, as per the comment from +Richard Sim it sounds like you have the "dominant" axis setting enabled. This restricts navigation to the axis which is being actuated the most. It can be useful when you are first learning or if you want to pan / zoom without accidentally rotating. It can be toggled in the 3Dconnexion properties panel.
@richard-sim
8 жыл бұрын
+NYC CNC ahh, maybe that's it - I've set up the buttons on the SpaceMouse Pro (same one you have) to be custom radial menus with all my common keyboard shortcuts on (L, C, X, etc), completely removing the need to use the keyboard.
@michaeljuan98
8 жыл бұрын
I originally bought one to use with solidworks, it didn't work out and was neglected for a long time until I used it with blender. The spacemouse is extremely helpful with sculpting but for cad its a hindrance.
@arielamarante5240
8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Juan Absolutely Agree! This thing is trash for 2d cad work, but I've come to appreciate it in 3d environments. Most programs let you rotate around your items, but it can get a bit nauseating when you are trying to get the right orientation sometimes, this eliminate that. Granted is more a bit of luxury, but when you are working a lot in 3d environments with complex geometries, going under objects, around the side at a quarter angle... this provides a natural flow. There are other issues aside the learning curve with desk space and getting used to essentially having both your hands on mice essentially. Its kinda strange. Obviously I am a fan, but i know its not for everyone.
@consig1iere294
4 жыл бұрын
I love how this video pissed off so many people here lol.
@Noeman2009
3 жыл бұрын
When you create Machinima, this 3D mouse is very valuable, you can move your camera 360 degree in 3D Space.
@ngryyellow1533
3 жыл бұрын
in fact, I was hopong the video to emd just to came here and hear all the rants haha. Not disappointed
@dylankirdahy9591
7 жыл бұрын
Just got a 3D mouse and once it finally clicked with my brain it was incredible. Really cool that I can focus on modeling and the camera becomes second nature. Definitely not for everyone, but at $100 for the base model it's at least worth a shot
@andrewlukachko4103
8 жыл бұрын
For general purpose 3d modeling I agree, you don't need a 3d mouse. I didn't here you mention hot keying the mouse to anything. Having them keyed to measurement tools or sectioning makes work flow very quick. Especially when checking clearances or interferences on assemblies of 100s of parts The type of work you do and time spent on CAD wouldn't allow you to notice the benefits of owning one, so you are right. Ergonomics is a huge plus for people who spend 40 plus hours on 3d cad. So if you're a cad jockey, it's a definite must.
@andrewlukachko4103
8 жыл бұрын
+NYC CNC Haha no! When I worked for a machine builder for manufacturing cells, I was issued a 3d mouse and mouse with a thumb ball. Computers give people Carple tunnel, apparently by reducing wrist movement it makes it better. I personally use a Logitech g650 and I can't say I've lost much productivity
@moonmail3422
5 жыл бұрын
@@andrewlukachko4103 Thumb ball mice are my favorite. I'm starting to get carpal tunnel (I'm only 24! Too young for this!) and they're a godsend. I do illustration with a mouse and making the switch was the best choice I ever made.
@20vK
8 жыл бұрын
I got the basic one back in 2009 and found it very dynamic and fluid, compared to a normal mouse and keyboard. I could get to the work area, zoom in and manipulate objects easier with less effort, too. It felt much more efficient once I got the hang of it. That was on solidworks on an older computer I built in 2008 too, so with today's processing power, you shouldn't be getting any jitters - something does not sound right there.
@indirjith8482
4 жыл бұрын
N
@Mike_zxc
8 жыл бұрын
I use NX9 for many hours a day and I love my 3D mouse when u are working on assembly's with 100+ or just a little CAM peace and would never go back to just a mouse. I love being able to naturally fly around the part while the other hand is selecting different tools. how ever if you do not spend so much time on cad the price is a little steep. i have a few hundred hours on mine and would never go back.
@zachb3043
8 жыл бұрын
If your designing all day long its nice to rest your main hand and pan with the other and observe the aesthetics of what your drawing. $300 or carpel tunnel, you decide! ;)
@Medyo
4 жыл бұрын
carpel tunnel sounds worse than carpal tunnel *wink
@jamessbca
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes.
@adamvolkert8160
7 жыл бұрын
I love that the comment section of a video about how something is overrated is where I find the most explanations of how useful the thing is... A necessary service. Thanks everyone!
@barebooger
8 жыл бұрын
I have several of the small "laptop" versions. I did win a larger version at a Solidworks user group meeting, but don't use the buttons. To me, the space mouse is intuitive and fast. If you are using more than one or two 3d modeling softwares, the space mouse works the same in all of them, so no different commands to remember. I don't use Solidworks any more, but have PT Creo at work and use Fusion at home and at work. Fusion has almost completely replaced Creo for me. One of my pet peeves is scroll wheel direction zooms different in separate programs. Drives me nuts! Bottom line, do what's right for you.
@dmccorvey
8 жыл бұрын
I run Fusion on a Mac with an Apple Magic Trackpad 2 and the Space Mouse Pro. I'm used to using gestures on the trackpad for getting around quickly and don't give it a second thought. But the trackpad requires a keyboard command (at least) to go into rotation mode in Fusion. So I just reach over maybe 4 inches and grab the Space Navigator knob as if I were grasping the model to turn it around and look at it from a different angle or bring it closer/move it farther away. For more complex models, it allows me to fly through the model as if I were piloting an airplane, with normal control motions for pitch, roll and yaw. Translation is second nature once you get used to it (and get the sensitivity set properly!!) Note: I am right handed. Both trackpad and Space Mouse are on the RIGHT. I switch between them as required. Minimal motion is needed and the trackpad requires zero additional space to operate, unlike a 2D mouse. So for speed, the combination is pretty hard for me to improve on. YMMV.
@SebastiaanSwinkels
8 жыл бұрын
I've always been interested in getting a 3D mouse, but could never justify spending the money for something that you can do with any regular mouse. However, a few months back I found a used one in great condition for a great price and I have loved it ever since. I didn't get the fancy version you have there, just the regular spacemouse, 2 buttons and the big knob. I wish it had a few extra programmable buttons (which would make yours a dream) but other than that it's just great. The big difference is in how you move your viewport or object. If you pan or rotate you can do that just fine with a normal mouse (which is something I catch myself doing still). However, when you want to pan AND rotate, good luck doing that with a normal mouse.
@SebastiaanSwinkels
8 жыл бұрын
+NYC CNC Pan, rotate, zoom, pretty often. Even intentionally. But seriously, I like the thing that I'm looking at dead center in my viewport. That means I rotate and zoom to see the part the way I want it and then need to move left/right/up/down to center it in my viewport. Maybe you can independently pan, rotate or zoom quicker with the mouse, but how often do you move, rotate, then move some more, pan, re-zoom, pan a little more, etc? If you're just moving from one orientation to the next (top, left, bottom, etc) you can do that even quicker with just the keyboard shortcuts.
@SebastiaanSwinkels
8 жыл бұрын
+NYC CNC That said, if I want to constrain movement to a single plane or axis I don't touch the spacemouse because it's simply impossible to only pan, zoom or rotate. All 3 combined, yes, just the one, forget it, too sensitive.
@alphgeek
8 жыл бұрын
I LOVE my space navigator! Horses for course I guess :) Personally it's the best efficiency gain for CAD that I've found - natural movement turned into object orientation on screen. I saw your video at John G's shop and immediately got the sense that you didn't like 3D mice...never mind, you're a keyboard wizard and that's fine too :) Took half a day or so to get used to. Then after two weeks I upped the sensitivity enormously and it is so quick now. Apparently they are also very good for Kerbal Space Program and helicopter sims but I wouldn't know :)
@ComicAdrian
4 ай бұрын
BTW if you're using Blender + a gaming mouse or keyboard with macro function (basically every Razer and Logitech Product) you can just map a button to a macro for {f3}walk navigation{enter} for an easy game like wasd style of navigation. If your sculptin with a drawing tablet and prefer to use a standalone device for your macros you can get a used razer nostromo for cheap nowadays, which unlike their newer crap doesn't even require an account.
@maartens8811
7 жыл бұрын
I had RSI in my right hand the pain was so enormous that I could not touch the mouse anymore. Therefore I bought the 3D mouse, and in weeks the pain was over. Best purchase ever!
@ntesla66
8 жыл бұрын
As I got older my right wrist began to pop in and out so tumbling an assembly to select constraints began to be a painful problem. Bit the bullet, bought a space mouse, can't believe I lived so long without one. But that's just me, it takes all kinds to make a wonderful world. Also using an external numpad placed within easy reach speeds up dimensional entry.
@MIGuy
8 жыл бұрын
use it 5 days a week - 8 hours a day and you will see the light.
@-.__.__.-Rad
4 жыл бұрын
1) It's been 4 years. Are you still thinking the same? 2) Can you pick points to list/pan/zoom/lock views at the same time? Would that make your job faster/easier? 3) How about creating 1 button shortcuts(views, zoom fit/all) ergonomically accessible? 4) How about if the company you work for pays for it? 5) Should I mention carpal tunnel?...... Would you get it then? I believe is fair to say it is a very expensive(maybe unjustified) commodity IF your budget does not allow for
@shawnlund
8 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine going back to a regular mouse and keyboard. To each there own I guess.
@maxdefire
Жыл бұрын
It allows to manimulate the view not in a consequence manner but in all degrees of freedom at once. It also doesn't need as much clicks and keys pressigs. Some precise moves take a few times more time with conventional inputs. Also have some additional keybindings at the palm of your hand.
@formaffinity
7 жыл бұрын
A 3D mouse dedicates all of positional movements to your left hand. A metaphor would be like having a rock in your left hand that your carving on with a knife in your right hand. Plus with the added benefit of having hot key buttons assigned so that you're rarely having to use the keyboard when you're modeling. So in essence you're 1) putting part of the work load on to your left hand, which helps with RSI 2) cutting down on time that is wasted when the right hand (and left brain) has to keep switching from large form movements to detail work. Maybe your preference is to use the keyboard a lot, but for me I can't stand having to hold down the "alt" key every time I want to rotate a model. It strains my hand/wrist. I would much rather lightly manipulate a knob which will not only rotate the model for me but also pan etc. Plus, a 3D mouse puts your hand in more of a vertical position than a keyboard does, so less wrist rotation. It might be slight, but it helps.
@EastyUK
8 жыл бұрын
I've had these on my desk for 20 years as an aircraft designer and very rarely used them. Only time they are quite good is flying through a large DMU in a various navigation mode. I'd never see it's better than a mouse for navigating around even large assemblies. like you touched on I think sometimes its tech for the sake of new tech.
@servant74
8 жыл бұрын
One place I worked, there was a department of about 100 draftsmen with workstations and spaceball 3D mouse configured to their then super-high-priced CAD/CAM package. I did computer systems support, and didn't really use the 'special hardware' in the day. But the pro's could make it fly (Autocad I think it may have been, but it ran on HP Unix workstations). Anyway, I enjoy your video's. Thanks for providing them.
@7333-e3k
8 жыл бұрын
If I'm designing and/or modelling something complex in SolidWorks at work (i.e. takes me more than all day to complete) I find that I'm much faster using my SpacePilot than I would be without it. I like it because I can get immersed in the work and just get on with it. The features I use most often are all mapped to hotkeys. The only downside I suppose is the entry of dimensions requires a third hand and arm, for which I actually take my hand off the mouse to use the numpad... I think it's an adequate compromise.
@inund8
Жыл бұрын
If you're working 40+ hours a week as a CAD monkey/designer, these are essential. When I started as a CAD designer, I didn't get one during my probation, and I noticed that every time I cut my fingernails, I would get discomfort by the end of the day caused by pressing and holding the mouse wheel. And as others have said, pressing a mousewheel button and moving your wrist is one way to guarantee repetitive strain injuries.
@UnknownHumanoid
8 жыл бұрын
Another thing I have to say. I use a Logitech G13 in Autocad, etc. because I can map 24 keys. Basically I don't use the keyboard at all (just for some minor stuff). Now this pad can't replace the G13 because of the lack of keys! However, if you want your 3dconnection close to your keyboard, just use a classic one! it's small and it can stay next to it. You don't move the camera and edit objects in the same time anyway! But even if you do, why don't you use a Logitech G600 mouse which has 12 programable keys for your thumb! Combine that with the right click options in the program and the 3dconnection! :D
@NathanNostaw
8 жыл бұрын
I love using it in creo/pro engineer. I have both the big one with screen and the small portable one. I found the best way to get max use was to add a numerical pad between the keyboard and my left hand on the 3d mouse. That way all dimensions could be entered with my left hand. All model movement was done with the 3d mouse, all application/tab selection was done with right hand on trackball mouse and data entered with left hand or both if typing. Took me many months to perfect the use but made modeling much faster. Found it great in creo with most used functions added as short cuts on the 3d mouse buttons. 3d mouse also could be programmed for short cuts on many other programs. I agree with the issue of using multiple machines though. Its a hassle to go from work machine to home laptop without the same 3d mouse.
@ScottMoyse
8 жыл бұрын
It's not just about navigation. Have you spent time learning to use the buttons around it? And I'm staggered that you are comparing orbiting with the middle mouse button to using the 6DOF puck. It's far smoother and more precise than use the orbit tool which gets triggered when using the middle mouse button. For instance, its impossible to zoom, pan & orbit simultaneously without a 3D mouse. There are times when you are using select other on screen, when a quick flick of the 3D mouse would get you to where you need to be, to make the selection, without disturbing you selection workflow. All in all, you are entitled to your opinion of course, however, you are overlooking some core benefits and features of the device. The title of the video is REALLY harsh though and the description below it simply isn't true. You definitely don't have the 3Dconnexion driver with your budget mouse and navigating with a standard mouse is far more clunky and sequential than it is with a 3D mouse.
@ScottMoyse
8 жыл бұрын
NYC CNC Then you need to clear up your product naming. SpaceMouse Pro (Wireless) product & SpaceMouse Wireless are two different products and price points. The former is the professional product and the latter is the consumer product. About your point B, Large assembly, or complex part, it doesn't really matter. It can be as simple as panning, rotating and zooming simultaneously to get better access to an edge or joint origin for selection. Regarding point A. I once had this discussion with the director of f360, he said the same thing as you about speed after using a 3Dconnexion device for years. He's back to using one now after realising he was missing a few parts of the puzzle. You're still missing out the benefits of the context sensitivity delivered by the driver & faster selections. You're title & description doesn't discriminate between Pro & Hobbyist, it just slams all 3D SpaceMouse products in all situations. I use a SpaceMouse Pro Wireless when in the office and a SpaceMouse Wireless when on the move. I miss the keyboard modifiers on the Pro, but there is a lot to be said for simplicity and the two programmable buttons on the SpaceMouse Wireless are spot on and make for ridiculously fast modelling when they are configured for your most commonly used commands in each workspace.... I'm also aware I owe you a video to back up my words. If you stick with it, and learn a bit more about the products' point (dig into the driver and context sensitive use cases), then you will probably change your mind, just like you did with Fusion 360 between March & June last year.
@ScottMoyse
8 жыл бұрын
NYC CNC Sounds good. I don't have any spare time for the next couple of weeks, but after that I'm keen. We will have to choose a method & dataset.
@StefsEngineering
8 жыл бұрын
Did you guys ever got to the point of trying this out? I guess it still comes down to preferences. I really like mine but it did take me some time to get used to. For the cad users. you might want to look into the mouse gestures first as a way to improve workflow and efficiency as it does not cost additional money and really improves how fast you can use the program.
@ScottMoyse
8 жыл бұрын
TheNorthkiters No... still haven't pulled it together. I'm overdue writing my review of the SpaceMouse Enterprise. So maybe we can do it as part of that.
@hdwdlnd
8 жыл бұрын
I have had years of use in 3 of the big name CAD softwares and have used the budget $90 version for years on and off. In some CAD software I heavily utilize hotkeys/mapped keys and out of the box quick keys. This makes it difficult for me to utilize the 3D mouse. It's also a little bulky to travel with for work which I have done extensively. However, when it comes to marathon selection sessions in CAD they do prove useful and efficient. I would say the justification in buying/using one depends on the most common daily CAD tasks one does.
@Dorff_Meister
7 жыл бұрын
I use Fusion 360 as a hobbyist. The 3d mouse seemed sexy and "connected with the model" and I nearly got one to try and I thought... I'm actually quite fast with all navigation with my Apple Trackpad and keyboard. The Trackpad 2 on my iMac and the built-in on the rMBP. I find prefer the Trackpad (at least for Mac) over mouse because the pinch/expand and a more fixed hand position. Also, as you mentioned the keyboard modifier on Mac for rotate is Shift and my hand is always right by shift. I feel completely connected to my model already and it was very easy to learn. I use keyboard shortcuts, so switching to a 3d mouse would be a major step backwards. Kudos to you for speaking up for those who might be looking at them.
@keal.vietnam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you
@fastzebrazoom4454
7 жыл бұрын
If you're only buying this to rotate your model then you are missing the beauty of this thing. Try spinning your model while simultaneously painting on it or voxel painting geometry on it with mouse and keyboard only (3dCoat, BodyPaint, Z-brush, etc.), can't be done. For CAD folks and 3ds Max/Maya/Blender folks, all it's doing is giving you a super refined model rotation experience that surpasses a mouse once you've mastered it, plus you can get fancy with programming the buttons on the more expensive models. This is one of those inventions that comes along every so often that makes you wonder how you worked without it.
@FriedrichKegel
8 жыл бұрын
We grew up with those things during the apprenticeship - and they were great there. Those really old things with a serial port and terrible ergonomics. After i quitted i dont use my private one anymore. I found out for myself they are very timesaving things in (big 200+ parts) assemblys but completely unnessary in single parts or small assemblys. In parts you spend the most time inside drawings, in assemblys you spend the most time on navigation measuring things, hiding objects... So you are completely right about it - but we will talk again after the first assembly with 1000parts
@oh0stv
4 жыл бұрын
Look, i can explain. If you are able to use our cursor independently from your model, you can do tasks and maneuvers impossible otherwise. For example selecting something while moving the model. Also, try to use the 3d Mouse on lager scale object, for example in architecture. The models are not small gadgets you can easily orbit around with your mouse. Its about the additional orbital points the mouse generates, for example in Rhino. The mouse is orbiting around the nearest surface, you can navigate your mouse inside of rooms working on details in almost closed spaces. Plus, like many pointed out, you need to use the additional keys on the mouse, which makes you basically never lift your hand from your 3d mouse and the standard mouse.
@EliasNPC
2 ай бұрын
I use it at work everyday, i totally recommend it if you wanna speed up some tasks and i kinda prefer the compact version over the pro versions, what i like using it mostly for is when inspecting or showing a project, or if you do a lot of contraints
@jamessbca
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the video. Some thoughts on using a 3D mouse. I love mine. You MUST try playing around with it in Google Earth. Once you do that, you won't live without it :) I find when I'm presenting stuff, it lets me move my Solidworks assemblies around much more smoothly, preventing people from getting "sea sick" when I move around. Sounds nutty, but I've had people say, "whoah, that's making me feel nauseous" when I zoom in and out really quickly with a regular mouse. The material of my Spacemouse Pro is getting gross now that's it's several years old. I find I don't use the buttons on it much. I might stick with the simple unit without the buttons moving forward. Also, as you get older - looks like you have some time before you have to worry about that ;) - you'll find whatever you can do to "share the load" between your hands might be beneficial.
@reportersuper9636
4 жыл бұрын
dude, when you reach the level of JEDI, you can use space mouse with feet
@definitelynotcole
3 жыл бұрын
god that is actually genius lol
@vigneshvenkataraman8930
6 жыл бұрын
As Jims Video commented,I am left handed and use it for my work(Full time design engineer) I love it since I can have one hand on the space mouse and one on the regular mouse.Makes manipulation of 3d models so easy.You eventually learn to use both mice together ,then it is impossible to live without one!
@EVguru
8 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have spend hundreds, but I have ventured £50 on a used SpacePilot SP1 from ebay. It's not arrived yet, but by complete coincidence one of my colleges from computer support turned up with an SP1 that had been ordered by someone but never deployed and the record of who ordered it lost. So now it's on my desk and I've played with it for 20 minutes or so. I think I may fine it easier to manipulate views with the SP1 and I'll have the same setup at home.
@Kluneberg
8 жыл бұрын
I use the spacepilot pro and I can't imagine doing any 3d work without it. Note that I'm using it for maya/3ds max and I'm not a pro but more of a beginner who still has a lot to learn. When I started learning 3D I hated the controls, the way you interact with the objects and the whole workflow, using the keyboard and mouse when modeling/animating feels so clunky and unintuitive.. later I found out there are specific devices for doing 3D and decided to give them a try. It made a huge difference for me, working with a 3d mouse does indeed feel like "trying to peel an apple using both hands instead of just one" in regards with the 3d object you're working on, as they advertise. With all that said I can definitely see how someone who has a lot of experience with the software and who has mastered the workflow with mouse and keyboard would not like using a 3D mouse, I know other people who don't like these things too. It looks like it's a matter of personal preference rather than one way being better than the other way of doing things.
@robertpastorella
7 жыл бұрын
For me, it's an excellent left-handed navigation/camera tool, while my right hand controls the selecting and manipulating of the object. When I'm using the keyboard, my hands are on the keyboard. So I move with the left, select with the right, and enter dimensions, etc. with my keyboard.
@RambozoClown
8 жыл бұрын
I think a lot has to do with model complexity, too. With a simple assembly with only a few components, it's not a big deal to just hide things that are in the way. I often work with assemblies with several hundred components, and the 3D controller will let me go right to the point I need to see without hiding anything. I can only imagine people that work on even more complex models like a complete Boeing 777. That and being able to do many things at once. Like moving a part into position, or locating the next point to click on for a command. After using them for many years, going without at times, makes me feel like I'm trying to type with one hand. Sure I can do it, but at a much slower rate.
@totidoki05
6 жыл бұрын
ever tried 3d sculpting with a tablet and a mouse? having yout right hand on the tablet and your left on the mouse when your right handed is a night mare, controling your view with a mouse you can easily control with your left hand while using your right (inverse it if you're left handed) is a life saver and i've been working 2 years with tablet/mouse so i can tell you there's a great difference in confort, speed and quality when using it, although yeah this is too exensive i can give you this point
@JorgeRodriguez-gf3xs
Ай бұрын
As a mechanical designer that works sometimes 8 hrs I definitely feel the improvement on ergonomics with the spacemouse More specific with the shift, escape, enter and some other buttons where my hand used to had a lot of pain after some hours. Now, the enterprise version I think is not very useful but the spacemouse with the extra buttons is great.
@tylerpestell
7 жыл бұрын
I just ordered one but it seems clear it will help tremendously. Its kind of like the difference between serial vs parallel. When you use the mouse as both the selection/movement tool you are stuck doing one then the other you can't do them together. With this setup the mouse is just your selection or sculpting tool while the puck is just movement and you can do them at the same time.
@Wrenchmonkey1
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I was looking into these, and wondering if it was going to be worth the investment. I kinda got the same impression that it couldn't fully replace the mouse, and now I'd have to be working with 2 separate peripherals. Thanks for settling the debate in my mind!
@bhanson1824
8 жыл бұрын
I found that using the middle mouse button put tremendous strain on my hand particularly when I was working in 3D CAD all day every day. The 3D mouse is defiantly clunky and slow but it may make more sense to you if you have hand strain and fatigue problems. I do have to say that now I don't use cad as much the 3D mouse is a less useful tool.
@ProtoSimTechnologies
8 жыл бұрын
I actually use one of these, but I only use the smaller version (Space Navigator). I don't know that these are very useful for CAD, but they are a huge help when doing 3D models with programs like 3DS Max/ Maya. I used to do 3D modelling, and this thing saved me so much time. Technically, yes, you can use the mouse. However, for specific applications, they can be very useful. With that said, I don't use it for CAD, either ;-)
@AnTirKP
7 жыл бұрын
I even use mine in 2D Autocad; being able to seamlessly pan across an entire drawing, rather than click-drag, move mouse, click-drag again is so much faster. I even mapped some macros in Microstation to the function keys, as there was no native support for uStn.
@iamstickfigure
8 жыл бұрын
Lol. I love the part where you say you'd like to get rid of your regular mouse. It reminds me of this software called "rat poison." It's function is to add enough keyboard shortcuts that the mouse becomes unnecessary (Poisoning the "rat"). I think it's only for Linux though, and I don't think it would circumvent mouse usage in Fusion 360.
@catlightst
7 жыл бұрын
In blender you can use a tablet to sculpt while navigating using a 3D mouse It's fun, can't do that with a normal mouse since it overrides the sculpting input.
@everydaybodybuilding2282
Жыл бұрын
I'm a concept artist, use blender and fusion a lot, the biggest reason I'm thinking about getting one is that the muscle memory difference between the two programs is so annoying. I get used to blender navigation for a bit, then I'm rusty on fusion. Would be cool to just use the space mouse for fusion and normal navigation in blender.
@marcellemay7721
7 жыл бұрын
I just bought the exact 3dconnexion space mouse that he had in this video, used on ebay for $55. I wasn't about to spend $300 on something I might not like. I'm pretty new to fusion 360 but I find the regular mouse navigation slow and frustrating. I'm really looking forward to giving this thing a go. It really send far more intuitive than using the keyboard/mouse combinations to get around your designs. If I really like this thing then I might spring for the latest and greatest. But, I have a feeling I'll be perfectly happy with this older model for the foreseeable future.
@TheRealKoolair
6 жыл бұрын
Good points actually. I use a space mouse for navigating thru building construction. Indespenible. But I always prefer the keyboard. Don't need the ribbon for much either. I agree, if it were possible I'd only use the keyboard. Where he spacemouse really shines is when you're doing a collaborative design meeting and want to jump to preset viewpoints but have the freeedom to float around the issues for group viewing. Good for recording animations.
@yoman1988
7 жыл бұрын
Try to rotate the component, zoom and move at the same time , very helpful in big assemblies in addition, the buttons of the spacemouse can still be programmed ... the rotation can also be locked by button and is then helpful in sketches where you sketch at the same time and move the sketch Greetings from Germany
@mc2racing7emh
8 жыл бұрын
I don't have experience with the beast with all the buttons that you have, but I have the Space Navigator at both home and at work. I find it to be a critical piece of equipment for speed and control. If it doesn't work for your application and the way you use it, you aren't the only one I know of who feels that way. Perhaps the difference is how it's used. I work in complicated CAD assemblies (which just means a lot of parts - gears, plumbing, oil nozzles, seals, bearings - are jammed in a small space) where a lot of design work is done in the assembly. Speed of applying assembly constraints and fine positioning of the point of view greatly increases my speed and reduces my frustration. Having the two buttons mapped to the Escape key and the "View Normal" functionality of the CAD software allow me to work for longer before having to remove my hands from the mice to make keystrokes. I've used the Space Navigator with SolidWorks, Alibre/GeoMagic, Unigraphics, ANSYS and EdgeCAM and it's a help in each one. Both mice are operating simultaneously, working together.
@MikeInNature
3 жыл бұрын
I WORK with 2d manufacturing plant layouts in cad and with 8 speed transmission components 3d models and assembly with proE and other CAE software. I found that a pen tablet instead of a normal mouse was a huge upgrade with my workflow, I don't even keep a mouse plugged to my computer any more. For this applications the 3d mouse is just an overkill and agree with you, completely unnecessary. Now for FUN I like doing creature creation using maya, Zbrush and after effects, and OMG I just have my left hand on the 3d mouse and my right hand on the pen... and with all the extra buttons on both devices (pen tablet & 3d mouse) I don't even touch the keyboard. Its a pain in the ass configuring each buttons for each application the first time and at the begging its hard to remember what was each button for, but once you get the flow going over time... this thing is a HUGE upgrade, I can bet anything that the improvement on movie effects and speed of quality animation production was significantly upped by this 2 devices over the past few years.
@gamm8939
2 жыл бұрын
I think that you are 1) not really comfortable with using it, 2) not using a program that uses it to its potential, and 3) that it's not that useful with your models because they are quite simple.
@jeffreyryan1639
2 жыл бұрын
Slow down. User preference, I am left handed and love it. But have instances where I can't use my 3d mouse (forced to use VDI). Love the tips with pressing scroll wheel and shift. Will do this when I can't use my 3d mouse.
@andrixhitoni
Жыл бұрын
Depends a lot on the software. I never found much use for my old SpacePilot in CAD/CAM applications, or Photoshop for that matter, but when it came to organic modelling (in 3dsMax) back in the day, I couldn't live without it. When configured right, it feels like actually holding the model in one hand, and modifying it with the other.
@JimBridgerHarney
2 ай бұрын
3d mouse is in the category of “Maybe it would be fun if I had it” but I’ve worked in a lot of cad programs, and the old mouse and keyboard shortcuts is probably one of those things where it’s probably as fast or faster if you’re experienced, and the 3d mouse is faster if you aren’t.
@KeithDDowning
8 жыл бұрын
I agree with you John. But I will say this: "You get used to what you do". In other words, whatever you use 8-16 hours a day for a year and longer, you get used to using. 25 years ago, I was using a digitizing puck on a digitizer tablet in my left hand, and keying thru numeric menus on the 10 key numeric keypad with my right hand (architectural CAD). I became VERY proficient to the point where I didn't even think about the numbers, and the keypad was just an extension of my thoughts. Everyone finds what they like, what they are forced to use, or what works for them.
@gusbisbal9803
8 жыл бұрын
+NYC CNC Ask they guys with blue tooth headsets.... I bet ya they can't live without them. The reason they say so much more freedom its because its an undefined evaluation and better than saying. I wasted my cash, I don't want to look like I got hussled. I am a chump and can't admit it. Perhaps that was a bit harsh but you get my point. Sorry now I am on a rant like you....
@KeithDDowning
8 жыл бұрын
+gus bisbal I use a Bluetooth headset, and can't live without it ;-)
@KeithDDowning
8 жыл бұрын
+NYC CNC Like I said John, I agree with you. I would think the 3d Mouse is a waste, for all the reasons you mentioned. I wouldn't spend the money on one.
@keithnichols6403
8 жыл бұрын
Dude your 110% right. Just wish you had done this video last month. Big learning curve, If I put the work in and master the thing I bet I could save 10 hours in a 8 hour day. Just saying I have trouble with my Iphone and it only has 1 button.
@McCawley74
2 жыл бұрын
Being able to move the view around with the spacemouse whilst simultaneously selecting mesh objects saves a lot of time. I use the normal mouse to select mesh faces while moving, so as I'm panning, turning, etc. click, click, click, selecting items. If I were to just use a mouse, I'd have to move the view, stop, select, move, stop, select, move, stop, select, repeat. I guess it all comes down to what you use it for. I'd avoid condemning products just because they don't fit your usage model. For some it's a time saving miracle of technology.
@yoonki
8 жыл бұрын
I really wanted to love my spacepilot and for years I was waiting for that epiphany moment when it finally clicked with my workflow, but it never happened. There are occasions where it is faster to use the 3d mouse manipulate the part with your left hand while you your other mouse in your right hand to select a bunch of edges or faces (to fillet, for instance) but those are few and far between. One technique that I've only been able to do with a 3D mouse is to use it to rotate and move individual parts in an assembly to check for complex assembly interferences (like, can you replace an alternator in a space constrained engine compartment). This is something that is still really difficult to do in CAD, and the 3d mouse provides a reasonable way to do it. Again, this is a very specialized application that doesn't apply to most people.
@MacoveiVlad
8 жыл бұрын
I see how it could help reduce the risk of RSI. It basically transfers all the view movements to the left hand. But if it does not have enough buttons i see how it might actually increase the risk of RSI, constantly moving your hand between keyboard and 3d mouse. And if the sensibility is set too high it further increases the risk of RSI. Having to keep your hand in a tense position doing micro movements destroys joints.
@AkaSilentCreed
2 ай бұрын
I find that I get a more natural feel for the movement with my spacemouse. Maybe you are not just accustomed to movement of the camera with the mouse but it also just clicks for you in a way that it doesn't for others. I've been modeling for many years and can navigate with a mouse just fine but it's the diffrence between 2 to 14+ inputs to get what I want and one with a spacemouse.
@LowDownAndDirty
8 жыл бұрын
As a solidworks user I have one of these, I have tried and tried, but I can not get used to it, and for me as mentioned, there is nothing I can't do with my mouse, well tracker ball actually, that includes panning and zooming simultaneously. I do have a gaming pad though, and if you want to improve efficiency IMO that's the route to go down, hot keys and macros at my fingertips at all times ;)
@buznee17
8 жыл бұрын
it's a relatively steep learning curve to get proficient and it takes some setup but once you get good with it, you won't want to go back. i think if you are a casual CAD user it's probably not worth the investment. i actually used one at work because of ergonomics. middle clicking and panning the mouse 8 hours a day starts to get you some discomforts. you can then focus the right hand on tool control and selection and left hand on views.
@buznee17
8 жыл бұрын
also make sure you set the sensitivity up high enough. If not the response may be too slow validating your point that it's faster with a mouse.
@krbruner
8 жыл бұрын
I always loved using my 3dconnecion Space Navigator. When I was doing cad work as a job, I would use it all the time. You do have to spend a little time to get it tuned right, to prevent parts from flying away, but when I had it all tuned and was using it, I would not use the keyboard for anything other than for dimensioning and text entry on Inventor.
@MrCantStopTheRobot
7 жыл бұрын
Great presentation and flow to the video. Insightful comments section. So, this is what KZitem is supposed to be...
@Parisella
6 ай бұрын
I'm working on an animate scene in a Maya where a character with multiple arms is grabbing and manipulating another character. I have to constantly zoom in and rotate around contact points and get very specific particular angles. I can safely say that it's incredibly frustrating using a mouse (even after 8 years of experience.) In a case where you have intricate scenes (or at a time where you need to animate a camera) I can see how a spacemouse would be useful. If you're doing CAD though, and just kind of rotating around one part, it's probably not worth the constant switching back and forth between the keyboard and the spacemouse.
@dammitcoetzee
8 жыл бұрын
I really like mine. It does take a little bit to get speedy on it, but once you do it's more comfortable and faster than the shift click middle mouse draggy droppy garbage you have to do with a regular mouse. Also, fusion 360 has turbo poop for orbit and pan controls regardless of the mouse, so it's not the best piece of software to judge in anyway.
@Mr.Poseidon000
8 жыл бұрын
Oh Man! Stop it please. Please do not listen this guy. When you use only mouse you can only "walk or use your hands" When you have 3d mouse, you can use your hands while you're working. It speeds up at least %30. I use 3d connexion products for 4 years, i have almost all models of them. At home, in office, traveler versions etc. I do not start design if it's not with me.
@darylsummer1424
5 жыл бұрын
He just wanted the youtube views. 81000 so far.
@darkfox2401
Жыл бұрын
You can adjust the speed of the 3D mouse so it's as responsive as you want it to. You also can do it all with 1 hand.
@imabeapirate
6 жыл бұрын
can you do a teardown so we can see how it was built? I'd like that!
@louissmith4993
3 жыл бұрын
The default Zoom Direction for the Spacemouse wasn't to my liking. It was much more natural for me with the Zoom Direction set to 'UP/Down'. After that change, I got used to it in a few hours. With a mouse you can only move one axis at a time. With a 3d mouse I can zoom, pan, rotate and tilt all at the same time like I am holding the part in my hand. I can flip a part over and zoom/pan to exactly what I want to view in under 2 seconds.
@266Cov
6 жыл бұрын
I work with architecture and I simply cannot work as efficiently without it. Without it, it’s hard navigating in or around a structure without my camera getting stuck inside a wall or something and losing my way around. I guess it only benefits those who work with very complex or large models. Having a 3D mice is must have for me.
@SuperHaptics
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on for cad. I work with cad for mechanical design (creo ptc) more than 25 years. I never found that thing useful. And i have it. The only time it did something different was when i wanted to do a sort of fly through or inspection of an architectural model in creo and in blender. Basically allows to precisely make decoupled or coupled motions along specific axes to simulate walking and turning your head while being inside of a building model. A normal mouse cannot do that. By the way for both software behaviour was at best lousy...
@jschoenly
8 жыл бұрын
Like you, I never found them useful with the slight exception to 2D drawing work (ProE, Solidworks). For whatever reason I liked it a little better at times for that panning around work, but i 99.8% agree that they just collect dust on my desk.... Not even sure where my little space puck is right now.
@nicholasdacek5182
Жыл бұрын
If you go from multiple 3D packages, they have different shortcuts/hotleys for 3D navigation. Try going from Zbrush to Cinema4D. The space mouse makes it all the same. Just grab the puck and go. Also its great for animating cameras
@IcyBaker4867
6 жыл бұрын
I use autodesk inventor, and I hate working without my spacemouse. There is no more precise way to control the model and you have independent access to the pointer while moving. I use the basic spacemouse wireless so I do not have such issues as it being large and clunky, and I carry it in my bag that goes back and forth between home and work on a daily basis. At $150 it was not cheap, but feels like a very well made device with well thought out features. E.g. the two buttons available on either side are accessible without moving your hand from the control knob, and upon clicking a wheel of 4-8 buttons appear around your pointer for quick access to up to 16 different functions. With inventor (and any other mainstream cad I assume) you can assign any function to any of the 4-8 buttons on the wheel. Particularly for functions requiring changing tabs or some such this is quite useful; even not having to move the mouse to the top of the screen for very frequently used functions is incredibly convenient.
@supahonkey
8 жыл бұрын
"Everything it does I can do with my inexpensive cheap mouse". True, but you can only perform one function at a time with your mouse. With my Space Pilot I can combine all functions simultaneously. Take the time spent zooming, panning and rotating individually with a mouse and add that up over one month. Divide that time by more than three, subtract from your mouse time and that's how much you will save with the Space Pilot. I design in CAD, create prints and use CAM nearly all day at work. The Space Pilot has paid for itself many times over in time savings.
@gteam2
6 жыл бұрын
As a long time Apple Trackpad user, I have been forced to adopt the mouse solely for Revit navigation, specifically the middle scroll wheel click to pan/zoom/orbit. With the SpaceMouse, I can continue to use my macbook pro keyboard and trackpad, sitting in front of my PC monitors, to control my PC and Revit without a mouse via Synergy. Yes, i am that stubborn.
@zenginellc
Жыл бұрын
You seem to be confusing "Speed" with "Efficiency"... The point of a 3D Mouse is not necessarily to "Speed things up". There's more than just that one metric behind efficiency. Speed (Comes with experience, but that's with anything) Smoothness Efficiency Reducing strain on right hand. If it's not useful to you, cool! But just because you don't see worth, doesn't mean it's worthless. 🤷♂
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