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@tfcig2019
Жыл бұрын
Curious where you got the huge Sun Shade/Cloth? Just built my own hoop house (sorta) which is an odd size.
@Giggiyygoo
7 ай бұрын
Back before I got really into gardening I grew determinant tomatoes. Threw miracle gro on them once a week, did everything "wrong" according to the Internet, and they produced all season until frost. I swear, sometimes ignorance is better.
@GardeningWarrior
2 жыл бұрын
I garden on a small balcony and I grow determinate tomatoes. However, every year I have loads of indeterminate volunteers. Thank you for sharing this info. BTW- I currently LIVE in the PNW so I'm sure you know which tomato I find from my local farmer's market to grow! I had one plant I brought in 4 years in a row and grew under a strong grow light during the winter that produced just fine.
@fancythat5136
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been growing indeterminate toms for years but the 2022 growing season killed off most of my crop with diseases, heat etc. The only 2 that survived beautifully were Rutgers and Matina. The Matinas have an old time acidic flavor and really produce.
@christenawalker2944
Жыл бұрын
I love Celebrity here in the LA area. Sets even in heat grows in ground and large pot stays in a cage and stake set up.ALWAYS GET GREAT TASTING tomatoes that look good enough to make you proud to share!
@darnelldunaway9244
Жыл бұрын
You are a wealth of knowledge. Learned a lot. Thanks.
@shadyfieldhomestead1974
5 ай бұрын
I actually do prune my determinate tomatoes. I prune the bottom area for airflow and only prune the suckers in the beginning. After that I let it grow. I also run it up my single string just like I do with indeterminate tomatoes. It works fine on both. My determinate varieties that I grow are Romas
@NatureScapesStudio
4 ай бұрын
I’m so glad you commented on this, I just bought a flat of determinate romas from a local farmer kinda by mistake. I set up my bed to grow indeterminate in the string method so I have been wondering what to do. Do you need any additional support or trellis for them since they bush?
@shadyfieldhomestead1974
4 ай бұрын
@@NatureScapesStudio no the string works great. Sometimes though those suckers will get big and wild so sometimes I’ll just use a tomato clip and attach that sucker to the main string
@heavymechanic2
7 ай бұрын
People come pick tomatoes and are shocked to see the bounty hanging on the vines. My parents learned me to not plant (D) and always pick out (I) for the reasons you discussed. I found MOUNTAIN FRESH/Carolina Gold which are bred for cold damp spring weather and they are amazing with summer humidity and drought conditions typical of the eastern states. I plant these Determinate tomato plants 2-1/2 feet apart and OMG there is no reason to get a second harvest. Big-Beef is also a great tomato if you have root knot nematodes, I get a few other plants and paste types for variety. Check out the Mountain series of tomatoes, you may be surprised.
@jimjam36695
Жыл бұрын
Florida 91 is a solid determinate for the South East.
@SpiceyKy
2 жыл бұрын
I just pulled up both my sungold plants this past weekend. Between the thrips and the heat, they didn't stand a chance.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a shame. It is sad to see them go. Sun Gold still tasted best, but I’m shocked by the vigor of SunSugar. I was going to consider axing it, but after seeing how strong of a plant it is, I’m going to keep growing it!
@amyk6028
2 жыл бұрын
AGREE 💯 my friend! I have grown Rutgers, Celebrity, Bush Early Girl and Ace 55 for the past 3 years and they ALWAYS outperform my indeterminates 👍🏼 And, my determinate tomato plants consistently produce for MONTHS. All I have to do is keep the fertilizer going and they will keep producing until disease takes them. I love the way you keep it REAL about the struggles with gardening. I live in Hot, Humid Georgia and frankly it’s a pain in the ass to grow tomatoes.
@andielliott7721
2 жыл бұрын
Had no idea....
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
It’s about the same, here. Really hard to grow tomatoes past Memorial Day. Determinates have changed my life by making the impossible possible. I have no idea how they’ve developed such a negative reputation. They should be the FOUNDATION of our tomato garden, and the indeterminates should be considered the fun play things for kicks and excitement.
@amyk6028
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener So true! My Cherry and Determinate tomatoes are most of what I grow, then about 4 Indeterminates. And every year I cuss them and pull them out by mid-July. Growing in heat & humidity is a whole different ball game. It’s a constant battle
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
@@amyk6028 I've found the same thing. The cherry and roma-type indeterminates will still grow. However, the determinate roma types are just as good. It's really only the cherry indeterminates that are worth the trouble. Honestly, if I were growing strictly for production, I wouldn't grow another indeterminate tomato, but I grow them out of love for the variety. Determinates are just so much more productive and lower maintenance!
@stevenharris6866
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener The Tommie Toe Indeterminate is one that I've grown here in North Central Florida for 4 years now. It's a vigorous and giving plant. Basically my only one still fruiting right now! I haven't grown determinates due to the "myths" so thanks and I'll start adding them as we have a second summer here starting real soon and rainy season will end in Sept plus weather beginning to get cooler as we head to winter. Thanls for the awesome content!
@KT-yq7ed
2 жыл бұрын
Darling you are a Cutie-pie!!!!!😂👵🏻. Love that you live in my State bc I can count on when to plant something since our climate is the same…..this old lady planted green beans, limas, bell peppers, oh and in containers…Oriental Eggplant….it’s a lot of work for me but I do what I can….my green beans developed a bacterial something and I can’t find where I put my Neem Oil” 🤷🏻♀️….🤣 I direct sowed Tomato Seeds (Romas and Red Delicious) and put too many in the container!!!!! Will never do that again……I tried….Love all your informative videos…..keep up the good work….Gram
@jaynebirkholz1596
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it wonderful we all have choices? For anyone to say that determinant or indeterminate is the only way to go is just plain being uninformed. Great video to educate.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t met anyone that mastered how to grow determinate tomatoes and quit growing them! Once you get it, they’re tough to exclude.
@jaynebirkholz1596
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener I think the fact that you grow both types and seemingly know the pros and cons of both lends A LOT of credibility to your video. I will be trying one of the favorite varieties you mentioned in my Wisconsin garden next year. Thanks again!
@Mrs.LadeyBug
Жыл бұрын
Very diplomatic. 😊
@Wendy420T
2 жыл бұрын
You didn't convince everyone, but you convinced me. I have a whole new tomato plan for next year.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear it! I recommend growing both types of tomatoes. The determinate tomatoes make fantastic foundational workhorses for solid protection. They're the "food tomatoes." Indeterminate tomatoes, to me, are "fun tomatoes" and go well in salads since they have more 'interesting' varieties.
@katiem9644
2 жыл бұрын
Really good video. Gave me a whole new way to look at determinate vs indeterminates. And I also agree about Bella Rosa and Celebrity. Down here in Florida they are practically bullet proof. I like Celebrity a bit better, as I get larger tomatoes, but both are great varieties, for the reasons you mentioned.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I think Bella Rosa is sort of an "updated" version of Celebrity that is more perfect looking and productive. Celebrity gives you 90% perfect looking tomatoes, but you can tell it's a bit of an older strain. That being said, I agree, Celebrity is better tasting. Celebrity is king of the F1 determinates.
@babystepsgarden6162
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I am def. going to try growing determinant tomatoes! Thank you! This year (my first garden) I found that I can grow a garden and get produce from it. Lots of mistakes along the way, and it still grew. I honestly didn't think it would. But I tried. I hoped. I prayed. It grew. 😊 ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ There is So much to learn about gardening, and it's so much fun. Hard work at first, but def. A lot of fun. Thank you for sharing your love of gardening, and teaching us how to garden.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Great job starting a garden! That's excellent. I've been in the garden since diapers, and I still make mistakes all the time. When I moved from the Northeast to the South, I had to learn all over again! Just remember, there are no such thing as failures, only learning experiences. You only fail if you give up and quit. Every year, things go wrong. Learn from them, and try another angle next year. Every year, they'll get better and better. Start slow, and every year, add a few more things. Don't forget to try a fruit tree or two. They grow themselves and produce for a lifetime!
@suehill6194
2 жыл бұрын
that hard work never goes away..just gets (hopefully) more efficient. plus hard work feels good. Great job on your first garden and happy gardening!
@NobleEphraim
2 жыл бұрын
I believe if you had left the determinate tomatoe in the bare sun without covering or shading them, they'd be killed by now too. Why didn't you provide shade over the indeterminate tomatoes?
@Rascal455
2 жыл бұрын
You definitely sound a little biased to determinants. Now do a video on why determinants are not as good as indeterminants. I did both this year I live in Michigan and my indeterminants destroyed the determinants. I think if you put in the time such as removing the Leaves From the Bottom and spraying them consistently and not getting the leaves wet you will certainly produce a better crop out of indeterminants. Yes you are correct if you want to do nothing then sure determinants will outperform indeterminants just because the grower let the Plant die doesn't mean it's a better thing. Plus I've tried celebrity. It doesn't touch the black krim for taste. I wouldn't mind trying that other one that you said though next year. I've watched a lot of your other videos and they are great. But I disagree on this one. I'm frequently still getting tomatoes in September. And I really only had one bad year up here when it rained forever and i was sick and couldnt keep up with pruning and spray. Which i use baking soda and oil. But i have got black krim tomatoes on my plant right now that are huge and are still producing great early August.
@bluewolf4915
2 жыл бұрын
I think the myth of "all at once" comes from farmers who HAVE to harvest all at once with machines. Not all of their tomatoes ripen all at once either they only keep the ripe ones and spread the green ones back onto the field to compost. Thanks for suggesting Siletz earlier in the year. Just picked the first ripe one and it was very good. 👍🏻
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed Siletz! It's a very special tomato.
@SpiceyKy
2 жыл бұрын
YOU are literally the reason I'm hooked on growing determinates. I succession plant them constantly.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
That’s excellent. There are two types of people: those that love determinate tomatoes, and those that haven’t grown them yet 😂 After many years of wrestling vines, it is nice to have something easy to manage.
@jmaalona
2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to try this strategy next time.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
@@jmaalona you won't regret it! Just make sure you DO NOT prune them. The only foliage that can be removed from determinates are the lowest leaf nodes underneath the first sucker. Anything above that can't stay. Determinates thrive on neglect. Stake them up with Florida weave or a short, strong stake and they'll flourish.
@SpiceyKy
2 жыл бұрын
@@area51z63 My indeterminates have been through h3ll this season. Thrips and extremely high UV Index levels. Only my determinates are thriving. And we eat them to fast to freeze any because we now live in an apartment. Can't grow too many at a time. 😔
@mimiashford5544
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener I never even knew there was a difference... I just plant tomatoes, either seed or plant. Nice to finally know that there IS a difference and now know what to look for.
@christophershaw4608
5 ай бұрын
Great advice. It validated my experience with tomatoes. You rock. I appreciate how informative you are my dude! Thank you! From TX
@justincentraltexas
2 жыл бұрын
These are grown the same! Shows a group of tomatoes that shade each other and are covered in bug netting then some ugly tomatoes on the edge of the garden spaced out and no bug netting.. you tone says facts yet your video says other wise. Love the channel though 😀
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
The shade cloth went up last week. The indeterminates have been dead or dying for over a month. The indeterminates were pruned and tied weekly. They were sprayed with fungicides weekly. The determinates were neglected and left alone. The indeterminates had every advantage, but they all died while the determinates thrived on neglect. The vining nature of the indeterminate tomato seems to be the problem. They’re just weaker plants.
@justincentraltexas
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree that determinants are stronger plants and are easier to grow. Just wanted to point out the video had some silly moments. A point you didn't bring up is that breeding priority has switched in the last decade to make determinants much better on the taste end. Almost all the breeding before that was done for commercial growers and gave us the trash in stores. I'm going to assume that's the reason most people still want to grow indeterminate tomatoes. I don't blame them.
@tmcdatty
2 жыл бұрын
It’s been the reverse for us this year, low production on the determinates but huge continuing harvests for the indeterminates. Slowing a bit now but plants are still going strong! I have been spraying weekly with a diluted baking soda solution and disease has been kept under control. One interesting variety we are growing is “Candyland” which is a currant type, hundreds of very small sweet fruits. Give this a try. On your suggestion I have started some tomatoes for (hopefully) a late fall harvest. Wish us luck!
@paulabusa2037
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Great video! I have limited space and think that determinant tomatoes would be the way to go, going forward. I usually do 1 roma/paste, 1 slicer or beefsteak and 1 sun sugar (told you I am space limited, lol). Are all cherries indermanent? If not, is there a determinant as good as sun sugars? I have tried different roma types and like their compact tendency. I will try your other suggestions for next year. Thank you!
@imaspacewoman
2 жыл бұрын
This is the only video you have done that I have to disagree with somewhat. May be the difference in humidity there. My indeterminate tomatoes Monster leader and Better Boy Hybrid are disease free now. I did have a little blight on those, but trimmed the diseased limbs and sprayed H2O2 spray twice with great results using 8 oz per gallon water just after 5 pm so that the spray could dry before sunset, but not bake the plants. The sun acts with the peroxide when applied late with the daylight to kill the disease. My determinates, yes still have a few tomatoes left and green leaves at the top but blight and dead limbs covering the lower 3/4s of the plants. They did produce well but I had a lot of bug damage, my faught, but they were all relatively small tomatoes no more than 2 inches, Homestead, Mariglobe and Rutgers. They were also sprayed at the same time as the indeterminates. My Better Boy hybrid plant, which I didn't prune at all, remarkably has had no blight at all. I think it was the variety. I did spray my tomatoes with Takedown twice and it completely irradicated my bug problem, mainly marmaladed stink bugs and leaf footed bugs. We are about one hour southwest of you and the lack of rain here has been terrible this summer. I think it is your humidity there that is causing the disease in your indeterminates and perhaps your varieties as my German Johnson's, Mortgage Lifters and Early Girl died of blight and leaf curl, had small tomatoes and didn't produce well. My indeterminates that are surviving and thou not as productive, the fruits are much bigger to my liking. I love your videos!
@JoseMariaEguiguren
Жыл бұрын
Good morning friends . You are confused, some varieties that you mention in the video, belonging to the dwarf tomato project for example Rosella, Uluru etc, are not of determined growth, they are of low growth but Indeterminate, as well indicated by the creators of the DTP (visit the page), this should clear it up so as not to confuse people. I am starting with this type of tomato, small and indeterminate, greetings from Spain
@rosalitatran3955
Ай бұрын
Love how true this is! My first ever tomato plants were Tiny Tim (determinant) and they did so well in a large grow bag. Certainly not that “tiny” if you provide sufficiently nutrients and space for the roots to spread. They got me hooked on growing more tomatoes. So the year after, I decided to try out ALL indeterminate varieties (on a proper garden bed this time). After watching all successful stories on the Internet I was so inspired by the strings/ lower&lean method. The plants were pruned to only one main vine each so only one cluster of fruits set at a time. Being heirlooms and all, each clusters gave me 2-3 good size fruits (a few were huge). What I didn’t account for was the limitation of the growing season. By the time the 4-5th flower clusters started setting, rain season hit, hard! The first fruits started ripening up but their flavours were washed away by the excessive rain. Leaves eventually became rotten and the plants started to die back with green fruits still on them. So my hope of having a long lasting tomatoes harvest were shattered. The truth is it doesn’t matter which variety you plant, they will only last as long as the weather/season allows it. I’ve realised that Indeterminate varieties are best suited for a controlled environment like a greenhouse or poly tunnel. Trying out bush varieties this year. Wish me luck!
@helenvannest7397
2 жыл бұрын
Tried determinate this year and never going back- delicious 😋-productive - space saving -and no pruning Best thing I ever did in the garden! I only tried this because of your earlier video, thanks you soooo much for the helpful info 🍅🍅🍅🍅
@gailalli8086
2 жыл бұрын
InDeterminate grower here! It’s what I’ve always grown! Roma to be specific. I love how fast they grow, I love how they taste even in a sandwich and so much more, and for me I get great harvests! I grew just two plants in a raised bed this year, planted them end of April. They are still producing! I’ve had the most beautiful fruit this year despite this horrible heat, humidity and drought! Every time I try growing indeterminate, including this year, I’m disappointed. Low yields, problems with pests or disease, And way more upkeep than my faithful Romas! So I am so glad you are making this video!!!
@lorr.jones8887
2 жыл бұрын
What variety of Roma's are they? I didn't know there were determinate ones. I've only found indeterminate ones.
@00Recoil
2 жыл бұрын
@@lorr.jones8887 Most Romas are determinate. I think Gail was a little cryptic with the first word of her post.
@teresa4973
2 жыл бұрын
The Tasmanian Chocolate variety from Johnny's seeds is a tasty one to grow👍 I actually love determinate tomatoes because I can grow then on my deck. They stay compact and still give you great tomatoes. But you are right about determinate varieties not being very common. I don't really see very many when buying my seeds online so thank you for the suggestions. I will definitely try Siletz, Bella Rosa, Celebrity or Marblobe next year🙂... Or maybe all of them 😄
@threadbarerag336
2 жыл бұрын
I love Roma and Rutgers, both determinate. I also love indeterminate Early Girl, Cherokee Purple, Carmello, and Brandywine Red tomatoes, not to mention Sweet 100 and Sun Gold Cherry tomatoes. I try Beefsteak every year but only get a couple unless we are having El Nino. I live in Seattle. Usually my determinates stop fruiting first. Cherokee Purple would be perfect for Millennial Gardener.
@bigrich6750
2 жыл бұрын
Celebrity was one of the first tomatoes I ever grew. It had just come out as an AAS winner and I read about it in the old Organic Gardening magazine and ordered some seeds. It performed fantastically.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I worked on a farm from Age 11-17 back in the late 90's/early 2000's. All the farmer grew was Celebrity. No other varieties. They were split-proof, produced like crazy, every one was picture-perfect. People would drive from Pennsylvania to our farm in NJ to buy them.
@jeffbradford1999
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for debunking these myths. Of the tomatoes I have grown from seed the determinate plants have done best. The heat this year has been brutal on all crops but especially my tomatoes. I learn alot from you,thanks.
@BramptonGardener
2 жыл бұрын
This is my first year with determinate. I'm growing several dwarf varias well. This was great, I had heard those myths as well, and wasn't interested in determinate because of that. I'm in Southern Ontario and the dwarfs have worked great, I can start them indfs in January and they're manageable until April when they grow in the greenhouse. I'm growing marglobe for the first time this year, I've only gotten so far, but it was tasty. Thanks for the info.
@BrainsOfMush09
8 ай бұрын
I grew 8 determinate roma plants in 2023 and had nearly 85 lbs of romas.
@lburrsshinyhunts2253
2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried Cherokee Purple? They look really cool but the ones I grow do split along the tops of them and the plant has only grown about 3 to ripen so far. Not sure if there is anything I can do to increase yield.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I grew Cherokee Purple religiously for 6 years. I quit on them this year. It just isn't worth it to put this much effort into a plant that gives you 4-6 tomatoes before it quits on you. I prefer Rosella Purple, which is a Dwarf Tomato Project variety. Rosella Purple produces as many fruits as Cherokee Purple all on a 24" tall plant, but the fruits are BETTER TASTING! In my opinion, Rosella Purple tastes much better than Cherokee Purple. It's one of the best tasting tomatoes I've ever had. It's absolutely mind-blowing how good they are.
@salysok2378
2 жыл бұрын
i agree to grow both , i have a determinate bed witch i call my insurance bed , due to if my indeterminate bed shits the bed i will still have tomatoes coming in
@S.Kay.Steffy
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, another great video. You are such a wealth of information😊👍. This is the first year I have had a garden and I ended up getting both kinds of tomatoes. I must say, the determinants are much easier for his senior citizen to handle. Honestly, when I bought the starts (not brave enough to try seeds yet) I didn’t understand the difference between the two…but I’ve learned so much from your videos that have helped along the way. Thank you!
@ammorales1524
2 жыл бұрын
I tried determinate one year. They were very prolific. You convinced me to raise determinates next year!
@xuyahfish
Жыл бұрын
Here in CT, I've only had success with Determinate, Inds have produced, but poorly. The Determinates give me sooo many that I freeze & can a ton & still give away a bunch. 1 determinate will produce MORE than 3 Inds.
@prettyboy54321
2 жыл бұрын
So funny, I KNEW you had a Philly accent. I was going to ask you after a previous video. I went to sleepaway camp in the Poconos for 10 years and I can pick that accent out anywhere. And thanks for the info on indeterminants. I already have Celebrity and Bella Rosa seeds and will be planting them this fall (South Florida, Zone 10B. You think YOU know about heat and humidity. HA!! AND our bugs are the size of Mini Coopers!)
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I was born and raised in South Jersey until I was 18 when I packed up and moved to Philly for university. I lived in Philly proper for 5 years, then lived in Montgomery County for another 8 years until the bad weather, traffic and living costs broke me and I picked up again and moved south. It's just as bad as where you live here from June 1 to September 15, I promise you. Your humidity just lasts a lot longer than mine, but at this time of year, it's exactly the same 😅 I do enjoy a cool season, but our winters are just a little too cold here. Sometimes, I wish I moved about 150 miles further south to make Januaries a little less cold.
@prettyboy54321
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardenerI spent a ton of time in Montgomery County. My godmother lived in Plymouth Meeting and later Blue Bell, and my best friend from camp lived in Elkins Park. I was there every single spring break or winter break of my childhood. I can do a Philly accent almost better than the natives.🤪My husband grew up just north of you in Monmouth County, but has no accent whatsoever. (Our heat and humidity might be the same during the day, but your temps must dip lower at night because my tomatoes won't even set fruit this time of year.)
@andyo1333
2 жыл бұрын
The only reason i plant indeterminates is for my wifes sauce. Dont think i have ever eat one without it being in sauce.In the south we plant tomato for slicing for a tomato sandwich.I plant german pink tomato every year and they are some still growing in the south carolina heat.The seeds can be hard to get but give this determainate a try.I have grown them to be 2 pounds.
@christines2787
2 жыл бұрын
After my determinate tomatoes are done, I give them a haircut. They regrow, and produce a 2nd crop. The tomatoes are smaller, and fewer, but it's a nice bonus
@HomeGrownVeg
Жыл бұрын
The packets of tomato seeds in the UK don't specify Determinate or Indeterminate. I have only just discovered Determinate / Indeterminate through watching US gardeners on KZitem. If I mention Determinate / Indeterminate tomatoes talking to my gardening mates they have never heard of them. Just saying. Jim.
@JRileyStewart
2 жыл бұрын
Great content; very relevant and timely. My indeterminants look just like yours this year (northern Virginia).
@gregryeii403
5 ай бұрын
I agree a person should grow both. Look at your climate and your growing season. If you plan carefully you can have a very long harvest season
@brokenarrow6491
2 жыл бұрын
Your comparing the indeterminate plants out in the open to determinate plants in a hoop house. Could that be the possible difference with the disease?
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
No. If anything, the hoop house is a disadvantage, because it limits airflow. The indeterminates were routinely pruned and sprayed with fungicides. The determinates were neglected and left to grow in the weeds. The indeterminates were given every advantage, and they still died off well beforehand. Indeterminate tomatoes are, unfortunately, weak plants. The stature of determinates seem to be stronger.
@brokenarrow6491
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener Good to know thank you. I have mixed determinate and indeterminate this year.
@HealthyDisrespectforAuthority
2 жыл бұрын
I don't have good luck with tomatoes (yet) and I generally have to look up which ones are which. I have a preference for yellow tomatoes, any size, but have tried many varieties and colors.. I think I had more plants than tomatoes this year and now they're all either pulled or trimmed to stem.. Georgia on the line of 8A and 8B. I feel like I wasted a season of fertilizer on pretty plants that made no tomatoes. So far I've tried; Rainbow cherry, Roma, Yellow brandywine, Kellogg breakfast, yellow pear, Amish paste, marglobe, sunray, sweet hundreds (which I thought were sweet millions.. still not sure if they're the same thing) and one called the worlds smallest tomatoes.. those did ok but they're very bitter for tomatoes. I have the worlds smallest in containers because I didn't understand that even though the fruit is tiny.. the plant is not. I just restarted more seeds since first frost isn't til almost Thanksgiving. There is a woman in southern Cali that does container growing (Robbie) and she had some very small plants producing lots of fruits. She got the original plant at a nursery and made lots of cuttings and all she knew was it was called a patio tomato.
@jeffreydustin5303
2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel...my favorite garden channel. My question is of the vining tomatoes, such as Arkansas Traveler, and the bush tomatoes, like Celebrity, are they comparably disease resistant? How many tomatoes per plant on average do you get from each. I suspect that bush tomatoes are more developed for commercial tomato canneries while the vining are more for the small farm or gardener. Just a hunch.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
What I’ve found is that it is just the nature of indeterminate tomatoes to be disease-prone. Because it takes indeterminate tomatoes so long to ripen their crop, disease often overwhelms the plants before the tomatoes can all be harvested, so if you live in a rough climate like mine, you lose many of your tomatoes. Determinate tomatoes set much earlier than indeterminate tomatoes, so comparably, you’ll have an entire loaded determinate bush by the time your first two big fruit clusters form on your indeterminate vines. Therefore, by the time disease gets to your determinates, it isn’t a big deal, because you’re already well into ripening your crop. Even if your determinates get infected, you still get a great harvest. Indeterminates are too busy growing vines to be productive for me. While Arkansas Traveler is a GREAT variety, I lost it in late June to wilt. So sad 😭
@renedean4232
2 жыл бұрын
👍, I didn't know my 2 determinate tomatoes were so, & I pruned😢 but, amazingly, still have a few product coming😊 thanks, love them!
@alancarter4270
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video brother. I will grow more determinates this season. I can argue with your data because you present honest truth IMHO. I only grew early girls in memory of my ex-wife grandfather , who massive plants.
@marthakratz7877
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if your indeterminate tomatoes were as heavily protected and shielded, then they would be looking as nice as your determinant tomatoes.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
That's just the thing: you can't protect an indeterminate tomato like a determinate tomato, because the plants are too large and cumbersome. This is another notch in the belt that sets determinate varieties apart. That being said, the indeterminate tomatoes were pruned and sprayed with fungicides weekly. Their nature requires constant attention. I mostly ignored my determinates, letting them fall all over the ground and get overrun by weeds. Despite all that love and attention the indeterminates got, they failed before the determinates. Indeterminates are just weaklings. People don't like to hear it, but it's true.
@marthakratz7877
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener So far, all of mine are doing very well, both determinate and indeterminant, I guess maybe I'm just lucky.
@zachshott7833
2 жыл бұрын
My indeterminate varieties did great this year, but the determinate variety not so much. I believe the mistake I made, other than getting a bit of a late start, was buying plants that had fruit on them already.
@tinab7791
2 жыл бұрын
Without knowing anything about gardening I inadvertently grew determinate varieties for years. This year I decided to get serious about it and took all the internet advice to get indeterminate varieties, and what a freaking nightmare lol. It doesn't help that we've had a completely atypical year weather wise but I still just like the ease of growing determinates. I'm definitely going back to the determinates!
@candacebradley7335
2 жыл бұрын
I live in Central Ohio and have always grown indeterminate tomatoes and they’ve always grew up until frost.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Think of the length of your growing season relative to the tomato's age. You likely don't plant your tomato transplants until May 30, and you get frost around, maybe, October 10? That would make your tomato growing season 133 days long. Your plants simply die before they can develop problems. 133 days after I transplant tomatoes is July 31. My tomatoes are as old as yours are at the end of your season in the middle of the year, and I get more 90 degree days in a summer than Ohio gets in a decade 😁The point I'm trying to make is that in order to see the limitations of the tomato plant, you need to live in a location where the growing season is long and hard enough to beat the plant up. When you live in a location like that, you can see how weak indeterminate plants are relative to determinates. If you grow determinates, even in your climate, you'll get more food.
@MANPREETKAUR-qk1wj
2 жыл бұрын
I am totally agree with determine tomato's. I had a good big tomato's harvest . On the other hand had good experience from Johnny seed : Nepal indeterminate tomatoes. It's 10ft tall , big tomato's. Next year I will plant that one again.
@fredherbert2739
2 жыл бұрын
Growing Siberian and Legend determinate tomatoes this year. Have 3 plants total and great yield so far.
@williammoody2781
2 жыл бұрын
I grew Bella Rosa determinate tomatoes this year and they produced abundantly I was very pleased with the flavor and crack resistance.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
They're definitely amazing tomatoes. Are they as good as Brandywine Sudduth? Of course now, but you'll get 3 times the tomatoes on that little 36 inch tall bush than you'll get on a 7' Brandywine vine and they'll all be perfect and never crack. I'll say they're 80% as good as a Brandywine and on par with Big Beef without the trouble.
@jimoyler1780
2 жыл бұрын
I have been growing determinate tomatoes and other crops this year. I also have found that hybrid versions are much more rewarding too. I enjoy the videos.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You may also be interested in looking at Dwarf Tomato Project varieties. They are not particularly disease resistant, but they're fun to mess with early in the season. The fruits are fantastic.
@nickzivs
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. For the first 3 years of my gardening career, I've gone for indeterminate only growing one determinate (Carolina Gold) which had blossom end rot issues (potted plant) each time I grew that variety and it turned me off vs indeterminate. However, last year I grew a Mountain Merit hybrid that was super productive, allowed me to succession plant up here in Southern Ontario, and was resistant to the "early" late blight that hit and eventual took out my indeterminate by late August. The yield was better, the plant was far more compact, and the taste was sensational. Obviously, I still like growing indeterminate predominantly for the funky varieties/specific cherry tomatoes that do exceptionally well, but your video definitely persuaded me to grow more of a 50/50 split of indeterminate and determinate and thus far when we've been dealing with 100% humidity nights in the 60s and upwards of 110F sticky spells, the determinate varieties are far more stable and productive. Thanks for the advice on the topic and for all the videos you put out, it's a wealth of knowledge.
@Kimipu
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely plan on some "real" determinates next year! Sounds like a good experiment to see what does better So far, the only ones I have grown are orange hat micro dwarfs and I was surprised they didn't live up to the "everything at once" stereotype. Planted it over the winter (hermit tomato) and it's still throwing out tomatoes, despite being severely neglected lol. Good sign
@beverlyboyce1041
2 жыл бұрын
Some seed companies r telling that there could be a serious shortages of seeds. Stock up
@snugglebunny.jmosbrook
2 жыл бұрын
I am trying hybrids and determinates next year. I live in Pinehurst NC and grew mostly indeterminates and got a max of 7 tomatoes per vine with a minimum of 3 so far. Last year all the tomatoes died in full sun 3 weeks ago in a garden in SC. But this year I have a lot more shade. My romas are still producing but some leaves are turning brown. My favorite tomato flavors are a pineapple indeterminate, brads atomic grape, and thornburn’s terracotta. Have you tasted these? Do you have a recommendation for similar flavors to those? I have ordered rosella purple, Bella Rosa, big beef, lots of different chef choice, super sweet and more sungold.
@sherreeroper7656
2 жыл бұрын
I've learned so much from you. Like that you can't leave a cucumber to turn yellow. As for tomatoes, I keep hearing that they're full of lectins? Only the peel and seeds... I thought determinate meant it doesn't get leggie and indeterminate grow and grow all over the place. Anyway it's a crap shoot here, I feed my chickens tomatoes and I have tomatoes growing everywhere. 😌 I have so many roots,to see something growing in the ground..I sometimes top off my indeterminate, pick the suckers( if I see them) it's hard to find determinate tomatoes I look at the tag. But I didn't know to not prune them.. a BIG Thankyou to you!
@kittiew260
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome update & I agree 100%. I tried siletz this year because you suggested it & thank you. Enjoying them. Good boy Dale. Hope he got an extra treat for finding the critters. 😉
@clem24u
2 жыл бұрын
I kept indeterminate over the winter here in Charleston, SC in a small green house I built but I have to listen to a tomato grower from Jersey. I'm going to try some 👍deternimate right now. I have just enough time.
@johnlord8337
2 жыл бұрын
All one needs to understand is that certain varieties are more climate and regional connected. Don't grow cool/cold northern toms in warm/hot southern places and vice versa. Don't grow short-days toms in long-days tom areas - and vice versa. Properly grow out (and properly harvest the ripe from the unripes during the growing season - with successive harvestings. Properly grown toms will have their proper ripe taste and flavors - instead for harvesting everything and then tasting green, unripe, or kitchen-ripening toms (which taste different than properly grown toms on the plant.
@Mstymntntop
2 жыл бұрын
You and lazy dog farm/hoss need to collaborate!
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I was actually just corresponding with Travis a few days ago. I actually tried Bella Rosa based on his recommendation since his climate is about the same as mine.
@Mstymntntop
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMillennialGardener That’s great. I watch both of you since I’m also in the same zone on the NC coast. I’m going to try some fall determinate tomatoes, so hopefully it is a success. Thanks for the videos!
@Khalinjai
2 жыл бұрын
Dwarf determinates are amazing, you can plant 3 together and get a really nice bush full of tomatoes and it grows to a maximum hight of 50 cm, outside of some small support they dont require any work.
@shorty8256
2 жыл бұрын
Love the video...I too grow both determinate and indeterminate tomato plants and my determinate tomato plants outperform my indeterminate tomato plants funny thing both in my garden beds and amazing in 25 gallon buckets...so really appreciate your videos and I am willing to try some of your tomato variety recommendations! All the best to you and Dale!
@SusanHilesArt
2 жыл бұрын
I live in Jersey and just pulled out my indeterminate plants and planted Tiny Tim determinate seeds. I plant only in containers and it's my first year gardening, so everything is an experiment for me. I hope I have more success with the Tiny Tim determinates than I had with the beefsteak indeterminates. Thanks for another very informative video!
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I recommend looking into Celebrity and Bella Rosa if you want the "easiest to grow" beefsteaks. They are tough plants.
@kb1236
2 жыл бұрын
I agree as well! I grew both determinates and indeterminates this year and they have been just as productive and still going. The determinates were a little smaller plants but other than that they produce just as long as the indeterminates in Georgia . Red Snapper has big beautiful beefsteak size tomatoes and the plants are still going.
@sandieweatherup
2 жыл бұрын
I only grow determinant tomatoes due to space limitations. Thanks for the list of varieties you like. I'm growing Celebriry here in Georgia, but I'll try some of the others next year.
@nicholasdemarest4254
2 жыл бұрын
I will say this I live zone 5b in northeast PA. My pruned indeterminate tomatoes now are 5 to 7 feet. But I tried 2 determinate varieties red snapper and hossinator. These are large slicers. I picked 3 tomatoes yesterday and weighed them from the red snapper and was rewarded with 3.4lbs. Of tomatoe.. determinate tomatoes is my go to from now on.
@janking2762
2 жыл бұрын
FYI, my mother’s family is from SW of Wilmington, think Monkey Junction…
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
I go there every week to hit Lowe's and Aldi! Monkey Junction has turned into quite the traffic jam these days!
@janking2762
2 жыл бұрын
My family’s Horne Family Cemetery is near there. No Aldi or Lowes last time I was there , maybe 2001, another family funeral. Anyone you meet named Horne or Newton is related to me. Will probably be there sometime soon for my currently 95 year old aunt. Her father was a farmer on a family parcel dating back to early 1700’s until the Depression. You can figure it out. I’m really impressed with your comprehensive and fair approach to vegetable gardening. Info, no agenda.
@DawnaRo
13 күн бұрын
I love, Love, LOVE my deterinants and dwarf tomatoes". I'll never go back to the jungle tomatoes. They are hardy, the plants are smaller, but not the tomatoes, NO prunning and they are delicious! And I don't have to have a 6 foot cage for them. This year I had 8 determinant and dwarf plants plants in containers (and 2 volunteer dwargs in my raised bed). Now I'm trying to find out if I can clone them and keep in the house over the winter to get a head start in May when I can plant them. Don't see any info on that so I will just try it and see.
@deeburks4238
2 жыл бұрын
One other thing with determinates is that they have been bred to be disease resistant....most were developed by universities and commercial growers and over time they produced varieties that are exceptionally disease resistant and they continue to cross breed varieties to make that even more true!
@mathrocks7591
2 жыл бұрын
Where in New Jersey are you from. I am also living in North Carolina and originally from Jersey
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Atlantic County.
@kylerichard1285
5 ай бұрын
Ive grown determinate tomato plants for as long as 2 years in containers. Just brought them in over winter. If you have the right climate, they don't NECESSARILY die back. They will have further fruiting cycles.
@xdraconicgaming5204
2 ай бұрын
Amazing information for your area!! You do a great service by making these videos. I’m in Newfoundland and indeterminate tomatoes are much more productive where I live. Our summers hit 30 degrees Celsius fairly consistently and we have a humidity that hovers around 75%. My tomatoes last from May to late September with disease starting to happen in late September. Determinate tomatoes don’t nearly yield as much here (maybe about 1/3). This video is giving me some great knowledge even though it doesn’t apply to us. But I imagine this is incredibly helpful to everyone in your zone.
@annissa485
2 жыл бұрын
I really like determinate because the space savings. I tried the mini tomato plant this year and I enjoy that one also.
@buckshottv3420
7 ай бұрын
love that burpee bush steak...succession planting every 4 weeks...tomatos all the way to the freeze...
@kandlbecker
5 ай бұрын
I often watch this channel and have generally been supportive. But this video is combative and guaranteed to piss off people. Calling these points "lies" is really in your face "Lie" #1: Taste is always a personal perspective, How can you claim that its a lie to say one thing tastes better than another? someone else of good conscience may disagree "Lie" #2: Is the actual definition of determinate. You even agree it is true in the "classic" sense, whatever that means. Your counter-arguments are very location and growth pattern specific. "Lie" #3: I think you ignore the difference between determinate and semi-determinate. The amount of energy put into fruit vs foliage is a good point, but that wasn't the "Lie." I grow semi-determinate vining tomatoes (ACE 55 VF) that do NOT fruit all at the same time, but they are clearly not "determinate." "Lie" #4: Is correct, but the VAST majority of youtubers and reputable garden advisors no NOT recommend pruning determinate tomatoes. Your comments about the footprint are great, and had you couched this as "pross vs cons" of determinate, semi-determinate, and indeterminate, you'd have had a far more positive response. -1 subscriber.
@jamesmarotta5650
2 жыл бұрын
Hey! Goomba! North Georgia (7a) here by way of Philly. I miss my Jersey tomatoes, corn, blueberries, etc. Thank you for all your knowledge. Any recommendations for varieties for North Georgia?
@Biabueno78
2 жыл бұрын
Can you please share where to find the seeds for the specific tomatoes you’re recommending? I only grow determinant tomatoes because my garden is small and because they’re super productive.
@BurtGordon-o2u
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you made this. Reached a similar conclusion on my own this season. My determinates have been rock stars this season. I’ll double up on Celebrities next year.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Bonnie didn't grow ANY Celebrities this year 😡 I always snag one pot with 3 tomatoes in it and grow a short row. This is the first year I didn't get my Celebrity fix. Next year, I'm just going to buy seed. Celebrity is outstanding!
@veronicablessed9808
2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Florida, thanks for share your knowledge with us, really good information and very well explained. Have a question after you have your harvest you can use the bed soil again for new crop? Thanks!
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Because my tomatoes all get some level of disease, I don't plant new tomatoes in the same bed that previously had a tomato crop in it that season. I try to rotate every other season. My next wave of tomatoes will grow in the beds that I was growing my brassicas that I pulled back in June. The bed has been resting with a tarp over it for close to 2 months, and they will house the new plants.
@timisaac8121
Жыл бұрын
"more food, for a longer period, in most cases". Many of my past 'tomato failures' were NOT just me!! haha. I live where it is very hot in late summer....Even 2 to 4 weeks, of food, will be great!! I've got some seedlings just popping now. Where do I post my photos to your channel? (you didn't 'change my mind'- you educated me and I know in my heart I made mistakes. Even my recent purchase of Determinate was my "mistake". LOL)
@johnrody1645
9 ай бұрын
Nice work. I’m from Philadelphia trying to get used to Vero Beach growing. Gonna try the determinate.
@mimiashford5544
2 жыл бұрын
I'm in Middle TN & just want a good paste tomato. Which one should I plant? Also, which hot pepper are best? I want the HOTTEST chile available to grow.
@hurricanefisher170
3 ай бұрын
I have a question. I have Better Bush tomatoes from Costo. I already harvested my "bumper crop" and have just a few new flowers on top and 1 lone fruit. I was considering removing it from my small raised garden and replacing it with one of the several replacements from suckers I have on deck that could use a better space. When would you consider the plant done or done enough for the season? It is healthy, just wondering what to expect. Thanks!
@erictownsend4236
Жыл бұрын
Not a good comparison between the two types! Hoops with cover over the determinates, with no cover , etc. over the indeterminates. I live in NH, zone 5A, Lat. 43.6, ele. 1100 ft. I have always grown determinate tomatoes, want to try some indeterminate tomatoes this year. I will still do so, but I will NOT be using your growing practices to compare the 2!
@cameronalexander359
2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Australia, were in the middle coldest winter in decades...and I feel warmer just watching the vid 😎
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
It’s been pretty hot in the middle of the US. It seems there is always a balance. If it is hot somewhere, it is because it is cold somewhere else. If you’re along a frost-free coast, I still consider you lucky. We get around 25 freezes a year where I live 😞
@graemejackel2397
10 ай бұрын
My indeterminate tomatoes still fruit well into winter. Live in Melbourne Victoria. Ripening is no problem, beautiful taste , roma cherry . Disease not a problem. Planting 300mm apart.
@beverlyboyce1041
2 жыл бұрын
I ordered a bunch more of the Dwarf tomato project varieties earlier this season. Bella Rosa was definitely a winner for me last year. I forgot to sow any this year. Red Snapper was very similar to Bella Rosa.
@TheMillennialGardener
2 жыл бұрын
Everything Hoss recommends is tough. Their climate is just like mine, so if it grows for them, I know I can handle it 😀
@OldTimerGarden
Жыл бұрын
Your Celebrity Tomato plant isn't actually a Determinate, it's considered a Semi-Determinate plant.
@juliegogola4647
Жыл бұрын
Here in Pa, the past several summers have been HOT, like in the 90'sF for a great number of days, even reaching 100F a few days. I'm going to have mostly determinates this coming growing season because I've noticed that my indeterminates fizzled out towards the end of summer too. Any remaining fruits had been pitiful little ugly bug eaten fruits. Even with plentiful rain.
@shelbymarks1169
4 ай бұрын
Love all your advice and info! I’m trying to determine the best way to contain my determinate tomatoes as I’ve planted them (probably too) densely. What do you think about pruning the non-fruit bearing branches below the suckers? My thought is by pruning many of these it will help with air flow and contain the plants a bit but not hurt production as I don’t plan to prune off any suckers.
@MrShutterbug321
Жыл бұрын
Don't be giving our secret away! You're gonna drive up the price of our seed 😉Let them keep growing their 10 foot tomato plants with 9 feet of empty vine. I only grow Determinate varieties, and have for years. You didn't mention my favorite; Bush Early Girl. It has it all. The only problem is keeping it from collapsing under the massive weight of the tomatoes that it produces. Now if we only had a better choice of determinate cherry tomatoes.
@soniamarshall9293
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the pro and cons to both types. Good helpful video.
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