Another extensive answer to a question that I never ever considered asking, but, man, I definitely should had...
@mtrefanenko
2 жыл бұрын
So glad to have you back :)
@szariq7338
2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how in Poland we're taught only about the last coup, which we call for some reason Yanayev coup and not something else.
@Setarko
2 жыл бұрын
Well, technically he was the one who was assigned the role of "President" during these 3 days, maybe that's why.
@janpalider4229
2 жыл бұрын
Personally, i call it Yazov coup because i like to think he was the main mastermind of it (Yanaev being just a puppet/irrelevant piece of it - that part is probably true), just as i like to think He did it solely because Gorbachev took away his GOSR parade speech (for many years it was Minister of Defence/Marshall of the USSR who did the speech, in 1990 Gorbachev changed this and took the microphone for himself, which probably gave Yazov severe case of clinical butthurt). I know that scenario is highly unlikely, but i just like it better xD
@Gleaves
2 жыл бұрын
@@janpalider4229 It's more like Krychkov's coup, since he actually held as hostage Yanayev, and have biggest influence out of all leaders of the coup
@reytop5064
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gleaves А что по поводу Бориса Пуго?
@Gleaves
2 жыл бұрын
@@reytop5064 Пуго не решал ничего особо. Скорее второе или третье лицо в путче, после Язова
@beefyblom
Жыл бұрын
the fact you added the death of stalin scene at 14:10 was perfect
@tranquoccuong890-its-orge
2 жыл бұрын
my first impression from the intro part: - in the category of countries with frequent coups, their military are the elite class in the social order of each country - in the soviet union however (or any socialist countries), the elite class in the social order is the communist party, with the government/the bureaucratic system follows right after; the military is subjected to the power of the former two
@alanp3334
2 жыл бұрын
Communist countries also always install a VERY powerful intelligence organisation (NKVD, KGB, etc) to sniff out any threats to their power, including from (but not limited to) the military.
@janpalider4229
2 жыл бұрын
I think You seriously underapprecieated one element which i personally find as important here as all the others: Political Officers at all levels of the army. Although You casually mention the ideological devotion to the party at one moment, i believe it played much more significant and systemic role. In Poland we had political officers digged at many levels of military hierarchy - for example, in the structure of a fighter regiment from in 1949, there was always political and upbringing section, led by regiment commanders for political and upbringing duties. This entity was was formally on the same level of hierarchy as ambulatorium, communications company, flight support section etc. I have a book from 1980 about Polish Air Force and there is a whole chapter about ideopolitical upbringing of air force academy cadets...The battle for soldiers minds was an important one in Socialist Poland, i would assume it was seen as even more ctitical in the Soviet Army. P.S. Do You intend to ever do a video on march 1993 shitshow? I've seen RT take on it, would like to also hear it from someone less ,,system-bound" if i may call it so.
@Blazo_Djurovic
2 жыл бұрын
During purges, yes, commisars were incredibly important. To the point that during Winter War and first phases of Great Patriotic War commanders were often more terrified of disobeying orders and getting on the wrong side of commissars which tended to think orders were word of god and disobeying a sin, than these out of time orders causing dissasters. On the other hand this power and influence of Political Officers waned over the time of the war to the point they were just there to advise and do propaganda by the end of the war. And Political Officers were people too and not robots. They could be impressed. After all, Beria was head of the interior aparatus of which Political Officers were probably part off, yet nobody warned him Red Army personel was about to grab him. Political Officers were either silenced OR were brought on the side of army. Basically, in any post war coup, any coup would probably be characterized as doing it for the sake of Party and State and just to remove foreign agents in power or something like that. But for that to happen people in Party would need to be massively bungling things up. Because I believe the real obstacle was the level at which people had been indoctrinated that Party is in the right and they should follow the Party. It would be fairly unthinkable to try to attack the party for rank and file solders.
@Setarko
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are absolutely right. They were extremely powerful in certain time periods and that's definitely a factor. BUT if we look in these 4 particular cases...In 1923 commissars could actually have sided with Trotsky - he was their creator, after all. In 1937, commissars were purged just like the other ranks. About a thousand commissars were "suspended" for having potential ties to the enemy. And after the war, their influence gradually diminished. As for the 1993 - yes, that would be a great topic. And it IS a topic I really want to do, but here's the thing: there is a Russian KZitemr named "ПостРоссия" and he made a GREAT video about these events recently. Yes, it is in Russian, but still - I am not sure how am going to make a video about the same topic without "ripping him off" somehow.
@janpalider4229
2 жыл бұрын
2 loose ideas that just came to my mind: 1. Contact the guy, tell Him that there could be some people - probably not many, then also i can't be the only one - who would like to watch it but have problems with russian, offer him to make english subtitles for that video (if He doesn't know english to well) in exchange for promoting/mentioning Your channel or smth, or just advise him to make them himself (if He does). 2. Contact the guy and offer him to do english dubbed version of his video (like on Good Times Bad Times channels - they come in english, polish and russian but the videos/graphics are the same), post it on Your channel as a video made in cooperation with him, split revenue from views in some reasonable way. I expect the guy probably won't be very interested (i see he has over 300k subs so getting some additional rev. from smaller channel like Yours might not exactly grind his gears), then on the other hand, if i understand current situation correctly, rusian-bases russian-speaking YT channels are kinda screwed right now but russian-based english-speaking not as much so who knows (Disclaimer: I do not upload videos/am not youtuber of any kind, as such i accept the possibility that ideas mentioned above are stupid/undoable). As for me - thank You for reccomendation, will check it out though with my russian i'm not expecting much (recently i watched interview with Girkin on принцип ковалева and only with multiple rewinds of some parts and due to the fact that they talk about ,,current, well known events" i was able to understand about 70%, i expect that video on 1993 to be harder cause i don't know the subject that well), i will probably give up halfway through and then wait to see if You will do one :p P.S. Off course i meant september/october 1993, not march (but i guess You got that).
@corneliuscapitalinus845
2 жыл бұрын
Setarko Perhaps contact him and ask if he would be okay with you reworking some of what he puts forward in his video (and crediting him for it) for an English speaking audience? I shouldn't think that that would count as ripping off, and it's not trying to bite his style or audience or something of the kind. You've got this, man.
@gregoryking8574
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko I thank went you said that ukrainians was brother I thank you used them word and I don't like it went the Soviet Union killed millions of ukrainians in three famines and I don't consider that being a brother and I can see the Ukraine is being different then then you rushing cuz most Russians are just not right in the head and when I look at Ukrainian they are they are considerate they have a whole belief better than yours I'm not saying anything wrong it's just it's just true I don't consider you and Ukrainian Ukrainian and Russians being Brothers y'all are two separate cultures and by you calling them brothers you make you clean your mad because it's dead because they know that y'all are not Brothers when you all have when Russians and the Soviet Union kill millions of ukrainians
@TehGreyParrot
2 жыл бұрын
Lovely stuff, as always!
@GRIML0CK122
2 жыл бұрын
On the 1991 coup, a really great book is Vladislav Zubok’s Collapse: Fall of the Soviet Union. It gives a really great breakdown of the coup plotters and how absolutely shambolic and poorly planned it was
@ГригорийБуров-м1ъ
2 жыл бұрын
As being said "there's no such things as a successful coup, or else it would have been called a revolution"
@napoleonfeanor
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how the country would have turned out if Yeltsin had successfully been removed. As you said, Yeltsin ruthlessly used his power two years later.
@tropicalpalmtree
2 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Setarko!
@HEKVT
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Zhukov himself got to power, I wonder what would be different.
@Snp2024
2 жыл бұрын
Chad Zhukov
@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692
2 жыл бұрын
@@Snp2024 What was so Chad about him? Just because he was one of the least incompetent of a rather incompetent bunch of commanders (then again so was ie Konev and others, who get a lot less credit)? He was a butcher, who cared nothing for the lives of his men. In fact an officer from his personal staff said in an interview (World at War, I believe, and if not it was a documentary about the Oderbruch offensive) that Zhukov never called them "his men" but always refered to them as "effectives" (a military term, meaning combat ready soldiers).
@panzerofthelake506
2 жыл бұрын
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 Incompetent? Is that why these Generals took the Soviet army that was so shattered and disorganised by Barbarosa all the way to Berlin? "A butcher" Most of the casualties that Soviet union suffered came during the first year of the war because of all the encirclements and shattering of the Red army. Every campaign led by Zhukov other than the Rzhev offensive was a success. Despite the fact that most of his campaigns were hampered by superior enemy air support and interference from Stavka. Zhukov got his status because he was able to command massive disorganised forces in any sector, he was a strategist not a on the ground commander. And he was able to persuade Stalin and Stavka to reduce their interference in the Red army.
@panzerofthelake506
2 жыл бұрын
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 Even the Rzhev offensive had it's purpose, it made the Germans deploy their limited reserves on that front instead of sending them to aid the Stalingrad Offensive.
@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692
2 жыл бұрын
@@panzerofthelake506 It's easy to be successful when you have multifold the men, manpower reserves and tanks than the enemy has. When Barbarossa started the Red Airforce was as large as the airforces of everyone else combined, and their tank force large than everyone else's combined. Well over 25 thousand tanks. People say "obsolete, obsolete", but that's a stretch of truth at best. Yes, obsolete compared to a Panzer IV or some newer British tank. But when the bulk of the Wehrmacht was still Panzer II, Pz 35 & 38 (t) and only a few hundred III and IV it doesn't matter, since those "obsolete" tanks were still BETTER than the II and just as good or better than the 38 (t) (ie the BT-7 series was faster, better armoured and had a bigger gun with better penetration numbers than the 38 t and the T-26 was also superior to the Panzer II and about as good as a 35 t). And while they initially lost air cover, the front line was so vast that the Luftwaffe could only partially cover it anyway, as they had to keep a lot of their planes in the West and some others in Africa. Other than initially after Barbarossa the Wehrmacht never had superiority over the Red Army. Not in terms of artillery, not in terms of men and certainly not in terms of tanks. They also had ever longer supply lines, a shit road system that got worse the further they got into Russia (where the "highways" consisted of non-tarmacced roads, that would turn to mud in spring and autumn), a different rail gauge that they had to convert upon advancing, etc. And even then they could have won against the USSR, if they didn't have to divert so many troops and resources to other places, to make sure the Italians don't collapse and to guard against invasions by the UK and their minions. IE by wars end you had ~500k men sitting in Norway twiddling their thumbs, a million all over Germany manning flak (anti air) guns to try and minimize the incessant bombing. All people that were sorely needed on the Eastern Front, along with their guns and equipment, and ofc the planes. And while the loss ratio got "better" for the Soviets by war's end, they were still HIGH. The only reason they got to where they were towards the end, is simply because Germany lost more men in the last ~8 months of the war than they lost from 39 to mid/late 44 combined, due to a complete breakdown in logistics & supplying the front with ammo and fuel, ever shortening training times, etc. And even then the Soviet losses were still ~3:1. The losses were so bad still, that you STILL had soldiers (officers included), risking their lives and the wellbeing of their families, deserting the Red Army by the time they were standing on the Oder, close to Berlin. Zhukov was a butcher, using primitive methods to achieve breakthroughs at unreasonable costs. Sure, he won ultimately, but that doesn't make him a good general. He was marginally better than many of the Tsarist officers in WW1, the only difference was that by this time the USSR had industrialized sufficiently to supply them with enough shit.
@nuresproblemchind6176
2 жыл бұрын
Thank the political genius of Lenin to organize the Communist party in such a way that would make coups less likely. Awesome vid btw.
@lewisrowley1866
2 жыл бұрын
your videos kept me sane today I had a full day of painting haha
@deusgiff
2 жыл бұрын
perhaps the 1991 coup could've went to the end because the nature of those who organised it was hard-line, meaning that they were truly ready to go until the end. But they most likely realised that this could've caused unnecessary unrest or would have even unleashed an another civil war, considering that many republics, like for instance the Baltic ones, already declared their separation and Caucasian republics were also attempting to do the same and who knows what would've happened with the rest of the USSR had they unlelashed it. Perhaps it would've been a much more turbulent and a bloody collapse.
@xsc1000
2 жыл бұрын
In fact it was the only one case, when russians protested massively against state and for their freedom.
@deusgiff
2 жыл бұрын
@@xsc1000 indeed.
@-haclong2366
2 жыл бұрын
Russia at this point was also ready to declare its independence, so in a way the last thing that the Soviet Union did was declare war on Russia in the winter.
@Ypog_UA
2 жыл бұрын
That is one way to turn the collapse of USSR into a Yugoslav Wars
@FDKuzkoBG
2 жыл бұрын
Comrade i come from the "little russia" and i randomly got recomended this video...for 48 hours i have watched all you re content and subscribed You are seriously underrated my dude nfkrz and life of boris have nothing on u Finaly a russian who is not brainwashed nationalisticly and not a pro western delusional liberal I truly respect pepole like you who dont get blinded by the crap both sides trow at each other and you see things with as little as bias as possible Really funny and educational videos +the bear intro is cute af Keep up the good work i home someday you blow up and live in a dacha near putins palace in tzarsko selo and have a trash stream on chanel 1. Joke aside keep up the great work i really hope you blow up cus u are one of the few youtubers who i feel like truly deserve it and handle political topics withouth being demagougs and still not share a cell with Navalny🦁🐻❤️🙏🏿
@isisstarlights
2 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video on a question that seems so logical, yet never gets asked! Do you think you could do a video that goes a bit more in depth on the August Coup? Keep up the good work!
@DEFQ.1
2 жыл бұрын
Pls never stop makeing videos
@milanbikics3144
Жыл бұрын
Excellent work!
@YuriNikolayavich
Жыл бұрын
Aug. 19, 1991 "Ban, dissolve, prosecute the CPSU!" was one of the signs that was painted in defiance at a baracade at Smolenskaya Street.
@АндрейПашук-ь1ф
2 жыл бұрын
Would be great if you made video about"black october" 1993.
@Killverine1984
2 жыл бұрын
Setarko deserves more subscribers
@RDSyafriyar
2 жыл бұрын
"I believe in this tragic hour you can make the right choice. The honor and glory of Russian men of arms shall not be stained with the blood of the people." - Boris Yeltsin
@Mortablunt
2 жыл бұрын
Also Yeltsin: Yiggidy diggity durn, let Chechnya burn!
@sam1.714
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mortablunt Yes, not everyone loves Yeltsin in Russia. It is understandable. Who ruined the economy, who is responsible for the destruction of factories, who gave "freedom" that allowed a real gangster war to unfold in Russia, who is guilty of Black October 1993, who sent conscripts to fight in Chechnya instead of contract soldiers, who is guilty of a bunch of terrorist attacks...? Sure. Not only Yeltsin, but he was the main character of this show.
@rohanjaison6003
2 жыл бұрын
Great content brother, can u make a video planned ryazan aerospace valley, ERA technopolis and its prospects
@professionalantichristhate528
Жыл бұрын
I'd say that one other time a coup may have happened is in 1941 just after the German invasion. The front had collapsed, Stalin had left to his dacha and even expected to be replaced.
@3BlueHaze
2 жыл бұрын
great video.
@Donaldperson7
10 ай бұрын
Boy those generals have a lot of medals? I wonder what they did to get all of those?
@MBP1918
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts
6 ай бұрын
The Muslim caliphate similarly had great military leaders who conquered new lands for Islam, but when a commander had conquered a territory they would be recalled, stripped of power and publicly humiliated. No one was allowed to outshine the Caliph. There were religiously motivated uprisings, like the Sunni-Shia civil war, but the Caliphate didn't have major problems with millitary attempts to take power.
@boomr334
2 жыл бұрын
In here again for the history, but also production quality. Or 'qvality'. IKDM but this channel rocks because you tell a good accurate story with fantastic that I;d want to do myself graphics
@gildaalvesbrown5952
2 жыл бұрын
My topic suggestion is: classical Russian geneticists and their achievements.
@Setarko
2 жыл бұрын
I have something similar on my list of video ideas - a story on how genetics was considered a pseudoscience in USSR for almost 20 years. And about how Trofim Lysenko got his rivals (including very prominent geneticists) killed.
@xsc1000
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko Yes, it would be very interesting. In fact it affected science in whole eastern block for years. Also cybernetics was on blacklist as antisocialistic science. There were also soviet "miracles" like milking the billy goat :-)
@gildaalvesbrown5952
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko Other subjects: pre historic human life in Russia and pre historic animal life in Russia
@adammazeli
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko lysenko action and soviet anti intellectual campaign really piss me off. they do more damage to science in 20 years than the church ever did. hell the church actually dont attack the scientist for their scientific research while soviet actually attack those scientist for their research
@Mortablunt
2 жыл бұрын
Тротский похож на Кернель Сэндерс!
@Brick-Life
2 жыл бұрын
Lots of coups!
@funnytrialman3112
2 жыл бұрын
Sablin moment
@dIRECTOR259
Жыл бұрын
Lots of nonsense here. Kornilov never attempted a coup. Trotsky never had the opportunity to use the army, in fact he never had a chance since he faced both Lenin and Stalin.. etc etc
@SinclairA
2 жыл бұрын
How about the mutiny on Storozhevoy in 1975?
@Setarko
2 жыл бұрын
I will make a separate video about Sablin some day. I would not regard this particular event itself as some kind of coup attempt, but rather something similar to the seizures of planes with demands to let them go abroad, which also took place in the USSR at the time.
@SinclairA
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko Awesome!
@czechpatriot2230
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko Plz dont. He is being worshiped as god entity by anarchists from a videogame mod I'm not going to mention.
@kaletovhangar
2 жыл бұрын
@@Setarko Didn't Sablin actually declare that he wanted to remove birocrats from Leningrad and from there hoped to spread the rebellion through the country?
@ivanvoronov3871
Жыл бұрын
@@czechpatriot2230 what mod? I'm curious now
@tristanband4003
Жыл бұрын
I'm fearful the US is heading in this direction.
@erdelybela2416
Жыл бұрын
Very nice content, very nice indeed. I would only humbly add, that contrary to popular belief and a black comedy movie, it was Malenkov, not Khrushchev who did the most for the coup against Beria. Western scholars too often forget about true first hand accounts and documents, and too often rely on Khrushchevs memoire heavily and regrettably "redacted" by his son (the original, with all of Khrushchevs doubts and introspection would have made life far more easier for many historians). In a twisted way, all of them where gifted politicians, as in working as a politician day and night, but because of Malenkovs intellect, his schemes where more solid. As of Zhukov, he must have been quite vain and quire the useful idiot not to see the obvious coming. His vain nature saved his life on many occasion, but ultimetly led to his demise.
@MrMexikin
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to comment, like, and subscribe hell even hit the bell button this quality content is being shadowbanned and we need to boost the algorithm !
@peaceling9826
2 жыл бұрын
❤
@christophmaier4397
2 жыл бұрын
Why are u defending kornilov? "Tragically died", why tragical?
@zyanego3170
2 жыл бұрын
Because he seems to think that he could've won the war.
@kaletovhangar
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly for gigantic country,it seems that collectivist ideology which despised strong individuals through decades killed any sort of individuality and personal responsibility, even in the government's top.
@corneliuscapitalinus845
2 жыл бұрын
Collectivism isnt really the issue. The issue was the turgid, mechanical bureaucratic nature of Soviet Communism, and how it drilled in that it was the highest minded but was boorish in "material reality" (as they say). This is not even slightly a one to one equivalent with 'Collectivism'.
@symbolsandsystems
2 жыл бұрын
Socialism/Individualism-inside/outside
@JoshuaTreePark2002
2 жыл бұрын
3rd
@jasontandria2166
2 жыл бұрын
second
@KillerofWestoids
2 жыл бұрын
Russia and USSR ❤️❤️❤️
@АндрейПашук-ь1ф
2 жыл бұрын
Would be great if you made video about"black october" 1993.
@Setarko
2 жыл бұрын
I have it in my list of topics, but recently "ПостРоссия" made a great video about it and he already said a lot of things that I would say about it. Obviously, his video is in Russian and mine will be in English, but I'm not sure I can make a video without accidentally plagiarizing it somehow
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