This probably the best power meter for my amateur use case. Subscribed! You saved me from buying a Shimano power meter!
@derekkuhl
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the extensive testing! You are the worlds authority on power meter functionality!
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Cheers. I just have a lot of experience using them. There are some truly amazing people behind the scenes making (and fixing) this tech. There's also our friend Uncle Keith. He's truly one of a kind bike nerd genius.
@derekkuhl
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama can’t thank you enough for making this available and understandable to us end users. Thanks!
@kwakeham
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama You're doing a great job keeping on top of this stuff!
@allanbray7196
Жыл бұрын
I too have seen cadence drop outs, while outside not near any other power meters or other head units. Thanks for taking the time to confirm that the new firmware improves them and makes them usable.
@AlbaTech
Жыл бұрын
That was my feedback to RoadCC - this is exactly the kind of information they should have published. Keep up the good work.
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Thanks AlbaTech. I saw your comments which prompted me to get out and complete my final few test rides and get this video up.
@AlbaTech
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama Your efforts are appreciated. 👍
@michaelb6973
Жыл бұрын
@gplama would you recommend this over the stages?
@MarkBurghouwt
Жыл бұрын
I think you are right with that theory of switching cadance modes. Sometimes I get power spikes of 2000W when pedaling easy after it drops out for a couple secs. Was better for me before, because the dropouts are really often outside
@gavinpoupart2469
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I have had this unit for 1 year as my first power meter and it has worked well. Glad they have made improvements. Yes i get cadance drop outs, not too often but do see them. Also i have done 650 hrs with the unit and i am just on the third battery. So 300 hrs seems more like what i am getting. Still good but not 800!
@craigbrady73
Жыл бұрын
Thank god you do these videos. I'm looking at buying a 2nd power meter, for my type of riding and the firmware advancement I think I'll go for the 4iiii. Thanks again and keep up the great work 👍
@patrickflanagan317
Жыл бұрын
My new left hand 4iiii drops out especially noticable on Zwift as soon as I stand on the pedals and go below 60 rpm. My old 4iiii never dropped out but eventually died, 4 years of life is all you get. Hope new firmware can solve the cadence drop out problem.
@kiverrussell8369
Жыл бұрын
First data comparison, you are remarkably balanced! Having ridden a single sided 4iiii for years and then switched to Favero Assioma Duo's for the last 2 years I'd be no where near that close. Typically 54-46 but go the other way when watts go up, cadence goes down or standing, perhaps 47-53 if those conditions overlap.
@trepidati0n533
Жыл бұрын
I think Shane has indicated that he will try to hit 50/50 on purpose many times. I personally will spend a couple weeks a couple times a year purposely focusing on my "power balance".
@kiverrussell8369
Жыл бұрын
@@trepidati0n533 Usually your body knows best, if you aren't experiencing injury problems a bit of imbalance is nothing to worry about but interesting nonetheless 👍
@romanlf5620
Жыл бұрын
I heard that power balance i's often explained by leg assymetery, you Can try some shims under the shoe of the shortest leg to improve power distribution and confort. Leg assymetery can also cause pain on the saddle because it makes people sit obliquely on the saddle.
@8rk
11 ай бұрын
Always had a soft spot for 4iiii's. I really want this one to be perfect without cadence dropouts so I can buy one with confidence and swap back to my dura ace pedals. LOVE the airtag feature. Fingers crossed for another leap in performance with the next firmware.
@BTcycle
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Shane. I been on the fence getting a power meter and with this firmware, I decide to go for it.
@Greenteac
Жыл бұрын
I live in Canada and have been super happy user with their 1st gen left side power meter. Just got a new bike with R7100 and has been waiting to install a power meter but was a bit scared by the initial review...glad they have solved it! Now just need to wait for dual side 😂
@mohamadjamil3164
Жыл бұрын
Your reviews are very comprehensive and objective . Bravo
@mseekles1972
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. Happy I can keep them on my bikes. ;-)
@LukeGJPotter
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the follow up Shane.
Жыл бұрын
Hi and thank you. I have this PWMTR that came with a Canyon Ultumate. It failed twice, they sent me a new one twice. It's not totally waterproof, I think. Power n,umbers seems to be correct but in my case, big reliability concerns. Be careful when washing your bike with this toy.
@__marshie
Жыл бұрын
I’ve found my battery life has decreased. I also found it was not going to sleep when not connected to anything whilst on my trainer. Took battery out then in and seemed to fix it. I don’t need perfect data and I’m pretty happy with it. Update is definitely an improvement.
@mikeprytherch8875
Жыл бұрын
I've had 3 of the 4iiii previous gen and had no issues, really like them, however, 2 months ago I purchased a Stages, firstly because the Gen 3 wasn't accurate (from you and Ray) but also it wasn't worth waiting, 4iiii used to be cheaper than Stages, now they are the same price so why bother waiting for something that doesn't work that isn't cheaper than the competition, obviously they are using battery life as the major selling point, but Stages is perceived as a more upmarket power meter (rightly or wrongly), so why would you buy a 4iiii when you can get the market leader for the same price, I feel 4iiii has lost it's main reason to buy (price) and replaced it with battery life
@svendeclercq5160
Жыл бұрын
I have a quark one side rival power meter on my gravelbike, a presission 4iiii on by spare racebike and a power2max on my main roadbike. My élite suito and power2max have almost exactly the same power output. But the two other bikes with the single leg power meters 4iiii and quark are average 10% less tgan my suito so glad Both power meters have adjustment capability , so all my single power meters give me the same power outputs as my suito and power2max dualsided afther 10% adjustment
@JelleDeconinck
Ай бұрын
Love your videos! Looking for my first power meter ever. Thinking about the Garmin Rally RS100 or the 4iii P3 ULTEGRA R8100. Any thoughts / suggestions between those two? What would you go for?
@jsva8661
28 күн бұрын
@gplama I am having issues with mine. Got a 3+ r7000 and a r8100.. my issue is (what I believe) to be the unit constantly switching back and forth between “gravel” and “road” modes thanks to UK pothole ridden roads. When the unit switches modes it disconnects for 30 seconds or so. Annoying! 4iiii should give us the ability of exclusively using one mode over the other. My stages left-sided never had any issues. I just hope favero sorts out their duo shi issues.. (bearing/bushing play)
@WowRixter
Жыл бұрын
You’re timing is amazing. Just yesterday I contacted 4iiii inquiring about the P3 as I need a new PM
@Spareroom-music
Жыл бұрын
Love your content. I know you say its hard to compare power meters but I have to ask..... would you recommend stages or 4iii for a left crank only power meter? Thanks!
@marquesreyes3287
Жыл бұрын
I have both, I prefer the stages, less quirks on the single sided. SRAM (quarq) is the best; however, going dual sided Stages is comparable
@fabianmolyneux2308
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Great update
@pantster9855
Жыл бұрын
Damn it! I went with the older version cos reviews seemed to be suggesting this was hardware issue rather than software.
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Older version is still a good option.
@pantster9855
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama yeah I've got a couple of others so it works for me. Figured the P3 wouldn't be able to be rescued
@LukeGJPotter
Жыл бұрын
Im just back from my first test ride on the new Firmware. The Unit still goes to sleep any vhance it gets. So long coasting (or stopping to take a photo) still lags. They should really give us a Sleep Timeout in the app.
@invisiblescout6335
Жыл бұрын
got a karoo 3 in testing yet? they've dropped prices by 35% on the K2, so clearly a clearance sale before a new release
@darinsteele7091
3 ай бұрын
There are other people who have the same cadance dropouts and looks like 4iiii hasnt pushed out any more firmware to fix it.
@rasherdk
Жыл бұрын
Might make for an interesting short nerdy video to compare the recording of a single power meter on multiple head-units to see how much difference there is.
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Which units would you like thrown under the bus…. errr… tested? 😉
@harryhollaway
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama would love for testing and information around which head units make my numbers look better 😏 #marginalgains
@rasherdk
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama Garmin, Wahoo, Hammerhead are probably the most interesting. Anything else you have lying around? Stages, Bryton, Sigma - the Strava app maybe? I'd think most models would all act similarly within a brand - but maybe try an old Garmin and a newer one? Wahoo I think we know for sure runs basically the same software right? Good thing I said it'd probably make a short video - not short to make 😆
@michaelb6973
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama would you go the stages over the 4iiii?
@Rob_33
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelb6973 thats the exact dilemma I have. The battery life on the 4iiii seems much better but stages seems to perform better.
@8rk
8 ай бұрын
Hey Shane! Will you be testing 2.2.0 soon? VERY interested to see if there's even more improvement.
@gplama
8 ай бұрын
Not on the cards at this point. (I didn't know there was a 2.2.0? Was that their AirTag firmware?)
@8rk
8 ай бұрын
Oh I just periodically check 4iiii because I’m interested in the unit. Saw this today. Looks like it’s been out for a bit. Key Features of the 2.2.0: Specific improvements to gyroscope/accelerometer algorithms for better data accuracy and consistency switching between modes. Cadence improvements with start/stop detection system. Improvements in unit zeroing for both accelerometer and gyro.
@saintuk70
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@sportnation8885
Жыл бұрын
Anyone know what that OZ QL sticker is on shimano cranks for?
@gpsheepy
Жыл бұрын
First!
@wilfriedjansen1125
5 ай бұрын
Hi Shane, thanks for all of your extensive testings! You‘re the man!!! 👍👍👍. Here my Question, I would like to by a single side Powermeter. Which one of the following would YOU prefere. inpeak, 4iiii, or stages, or is there an other one you could advise! I would appreciate your advise to make a final decision!,😉
@gplama
5 ай бұрын
4iiii single sided at this point. Stages looks to be in corporate limbo/trouble with a LOT of their cycling tech staff leaving. InPeak might be ok but I haven't tested their latest meters.
@wilfriedjansen1125
5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@derx6666
Жыл бұрын
You sure the dropouts are not from the Garmin Edge devices? The x30 serie have had a long standing issue with dropouts that might have been fixed with the latest beta firmware that was just released 5 days ago, version xx.79.
@anon7789
Жыл бұрын
Have never had any droputs in bout a year with bolt or zwift.
@luczx3144
3 ай бұрын
Wow. Such a great video. But would you recommend the 4iiii or the Quarq? Thank you
@gplama
3 ай бұрын
What's best for you crank/spider has to be your call.
@tilexcan
5 ай бұрын
That’s interesting because they are out of stock everywhere on ULTEGRA meters. Only reason I’m looking is because of the Shimano crank recall
@gplama
5 ай бұрын
There's something interesting happening with 4iiii and their battery doors. There's a stop-sell in the US as I understand until they can design a new battery cap/door.
@tilexcan
5 ай бұрын
Oh my!! Looks like I will be without for a while now if that’s the case. I really enjoyed my Stages so now I may be out of luck all around for awhile. I’ve had my stages for five years with no issues.
@a.m.d.6679
3 ай бұрын
@@gplama Hmm. With Stages now being kaput, there might be a run on other left-crank PMs. Both 4iiii and Inpeak now have Shimano left ride-ready cranks in stock. Although you've put out positive video reviews on both, on another reply upstream, you leaned towards the 4iiii vs Inpeak. With this battery door issue, might it now be a safer bet to choose Inpeak? thx ..
@stevehein9061
10 ай бұрын
Shane, I have precision 3 on a grx crank and I’m hoping you can help me on a different more extreme power variance. I did a gravel race this past weekend and while it started with the power reading at what I would consider normal but after several hours it was reported power about 300 watts too high so I pulled over and recalibrated it and all seemed well for a little bit until it started acting like it wasn’t doubling the power like it should which it did once before in a different race. I tried the calibration again but this time it made no difference on the reading so I just finished like that since I was only 15 minutes from the finish. Have you seen any crazy anomalies like this before ?
@20dpb
Жыл бұрын
Mine has just died. Won't read power only provides cadence and won't zero offset?
@alexxbcg
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your review! How much of a difference does pre-installed vs factory installed (my own crank) make in terms of measurement accuracy?
@gplama
4 ай бұрын
There should be no difference.
@hannesstrickner371
13 күн бұрын
Is it possible to turn off cadence if it’s not working properly? Because I‘m already using a cadende sensor.
@gplama
13 күн бұрын
Not for the purposes of power measurement (which requires cadence to calculate watts). You can use a seperate cadence sensor if you wish. It’d still give phantom watts in the scenarios shown.
@olivierdecoen5396
6 ай бұрын
Any possibility to test the new PRECISION 3+: Firmware Version 2.2.0 ??
@gplama
6 ай бұрын
2.2.0 was the AirTag/Find My compatibility firmware, as I understand. Recent testing shows the non drive side (left crank only) data is good.
@guidogoerz1854
8 ай бұрын
Hi, thx for this great video. How does the pwoermeter works with the edge 1040. What does it show?
@gplama
8 ай бұрын
Power and cadence.
@guineapig13
Жыл бұрын
How does this unit compare to the older Precision 2?
@4iiiicom
Жыл бұрын
Hi Alistair, with the PRECISION 3, you get the extended battery life, new Realtime Terrain Auto-Optimizing Firmware, and a slimmer profile design - making it compatible with virtually any frame.
@Andy.Dr.Walton
Жыл бұрын
Interesting they're claiming it fits any frame on the market but their clearance tool says it wont fit on my 2022 Cervelo P5. I've basically given up as they've said they can't do a factory install in a different position like previous versions. I'm looking at getting Garmin Rally pedals now despite my preference being 4iiii's.
@4iiiicom
Жыл бұрын
Hey Andrew, check your inbox. We sent you a follow up email regarding your clearance. We will have no issues installing a powermeter on your P5.
@lincolnlu9869
Жыл бұрын
@@4iiiicom any chance it'll fit an XT 8100 crankset on a Kona HEI HEI cr?
@davidhemmings8018
Жыл бұрын
Good afternoon, I am trying to install my bike radar tracker on a edge, 820. I can’t seem to find it could you tell me a where it is please if possible
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
One for Garmin Support
@k1mfor
Жыл бұрын
What about the 4iiii Podiiiium - does all of this apply to it too?
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
No. Just the Precision 3.
@k1mfor
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thanks! I was going to buy the Podiiiium because it's 70€ cheaper, but I take it Precision 3 is a better choice then? (unless Podium didn't have these problems to start with)
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
@@k1mfor I had a Podiiiium a few years back for testing/review. I'm not sure if it has had any updates similar to the Precision.
@NDURcycling
Жыл бұрын
I am searching for Powermeter for the grx for the driveside cause my frame is so close to the left crank. Do you know any other brands who make Powermeter for grx?
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
InPeak do a GRX dual sided. Ping their support to see if the right side can be used as a single sided meter.
@WonderSausage
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame that 4iiii won't step up and offer firmware updates to the now-abandoned Specialized Power Cranks which are rebranded 4iiii. I know it's not technically the fault of 4iiii, but I still avoid them because they let Specialized screw over their mutual customers.
@jules43434
Жыл бұрын
Maybe off topic but searching for a solution: I have a 2nd gen 105 left crank, but my Garmin Edge 130 gives different average and peak powers then the 4iiii app for the same ride(this is always the case, not a one time event). How can I fix it, or why does this occur? ( I calibrate before each ride) Garmin Edge 130 reads a bit lower then the 4iiii app ( around 5-25 watts on average)
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Recording devices can/will average things differently. Sample rates also come into play if there’s a lot of start/stop. You’ll need to compare steady state efforts with software designed for the job.
@jules43434
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama thanks for the reply! I will take the one with the highest powernumbers as the correct one😁
@ivanmurdock7328
9 ай бұрын
Is the 4iiii dual good - or does it have the same issues stages had with right side low
@gplama
9 ай бұрын
I believe 4iiii are working hard on solving the issues the occur when using the right side Shimano cranks as power meters. Unlike Shimano, they’re happy to send over units for testing in exchange for data collected.
@ivanmurdock7328
9 ай бұрын
Thanks
@aarongerrard6798
Жыл бұрын
Just used mine for the first time today. Have the app downloaded and it paired. Can't find my workout or any data from my ride on the app. Am I missing something here?
@aarongerrard6798
Жыл бұрын
Is the power analysis on my Strava taken directly from my powermeter through my wahoo head unit?
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Yes, you'll need to record the data with something (sounds like you have a Wahoo GPS). Then upload/sync it to Strava to see the power data. The Elemnt app also has pretty solid activity analysis/overview too.
@aarongerrard6798
Жыл бұрын
Bloody perfect. Thanks 🙏
@MrJayceone
Жыл бұрын
Would this be applicable to their dual side PM??
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Stay tuned. They're sending one over in the coming weeks.
@airguillo31
Жыл бұрын
@@gplamais it a new Precision 3 Dual?
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
@@airguillo31 Yes
@airguillo31
Жыл бұрын
Cool @gplama we need that review video yesterday 😂 👍🏼
@mikewow
Жыл бұрын
Cant even connect my 4iiii power meter with the app soo i ant update....😢
@gplama
Жыл бұрын
Force close all your apps, then try load the 4iiii app. If that doesn’t work - remove the battery form the meter for a few seconds and put it back.
@mikewow
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama thanks for your reply. I have tried closing all the apps, restarting my phone, disabling and enabling bluetooth. And now tried removing the battery. Reinstalled the app All the options didnt work. Tomorrow i will try outside will that help?
@mikewow
Жыл бұрын
@@gplama i gave it 1 more shot and checked if my wahoo app was connected with the power meter and it wasnt. I went back to the 4iiii app and my power meter appeared. Finally updated the firmware now. Thanks for the suggestions
@JulianAndresKlode
Жыл бұрын
Huh, This is 299€ now and the Stages Gen 3 is 289€, the Stages did sound nicer
@simonpierredegroote7436
9 ай бұрын
Top much problème on thé old version. I have dual aide for like 2 months over the last 24 months. Broke twice the plastic right side. Dual side are inverted, the right connect disconnect. I pay 200$ to send it to Canada and get repaired it worked 2months. The new may be good. But you shall have send it to old costumer for free for all the drama it took a to use your brands Personally I am going on another brand for life. I don’t want to trash 1.000€ again
@Gianniz27
7 ай бұрын
Still a crap product, using gen1 and gen2 4iii on other bikes, calibrate them only after 2-3 monts, reads always precisely. My 4iii 3rd gen needs calibration before EVERY ride, still reads under on many occasions. Also Strava does not like it, always puts off -5 watt froma average power for some reason.
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