Sadly, many people are misunderstanding the point of this video. This is NOT the same as turning the sharpness up on your TV. The effects I showed zoomed 1200x are NOT how it looks at normal viewing distance. Hopefully this clears things up for people: www.retrorgb.com/4k-gamer-pro-lossless-captures.html
@RetroRGB
Жыл бұрын
Sigh. I'm tired of arguing with you. Muted.
@ShankMods
2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a pretty cool device. Having a nearest neighbor option would make it next level
@wobblingpixels3921
2 жыл бұрын
Great Review Bob! I definitly prefer the upscaled image of the 4K Gamer than Mclassic.Unchanged colors, no smoothing, just upscaling and sharpening. PS: If some people knew that a 20min review costs days to make. I appreciate your work!
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@mitchlovesgames7281
2 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you Bob, there is a very noticable difference in picture between the mClassic and without on DC, GC, PS2, and Xbox a large portion of the jaggies are removed making for a much smoother picture. Not a shill
@vaugna1620
2 жыл бұрын
tbh don't like the look of this, the ringing artifacts are a dealbreaker for me. I'd love a device that just nearest neighbor scales 720p and 1080p to 4K with no extra processing.
@brkbtjunkie
2 жыл бұрын
Why nearest neighbor instead of integer scaled?
@vaugna1620
2 жыл бұрын
@@brkbtjunkie 720p and 1080p integer scale into 2160p cleanly anyways
@brkbtjunkie
2 жыл бұрын
@@vaugna1620 right, so why then nearest neighbor? What’s the difference? I always thought integer scaled produced the cleanest image because of it being scaled 1:4, 1:9 1:16 etc.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
@@brkbtjunkie Integer scaling and nearest neighbor are the same thing.
@Stremon82
2 жыл бұрын
@@brkbtjunkie integer scale multiply both vertical and (most of the time) horizontal resolution to an integer factor, so x2, x3, x4... It's super clean but often causes black bars and wrong aspect ratio (the games pixels not being displayed as square on CRTs). Nearest neighbors is used with any scaling, even non integer, but instead fills each display pixel with the content nearest neighbor pixel (hence the name). NN is a good technique to fix aspect ratio issues but also displays uneven pixel pixels size when not using an integer scaling, causing issues with scrolling especially.
@SnakebitSTI
2 жыл бұрын
I got excited seeing the lag and color tests, but I want a scaler with nearest-neighbor for older games and smoothing options for newer games. If I wanted ringing artifacts, I’d just increase the sharpness setting on my TV…
@hhectorlector
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob! I got one and let them know it’s cuz of this video and gave them the same suggestion about adding a nearest neighbor mode. I 100% agree with your evaluation of the mCable and was happy to hear you liked it at least in Virtua Racer :)
@GordAllott
2 жыл бұрын
It kinda just looks like if you whack the sharpness slider on your TV up to 100, I suppose if you like that effect it's nice but not for me. Would love a true 1080/720 to 4k scaler for ps3 some day...
@FoxbatStargazer
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it just looks like bog standard sharpness, enhance contrasting edges while creating ringing artifacts. Only difference vs standard TVs is that it does a 2x integer scale first instead of interpolation.
@bloomerb4162
2 жыл бұрын
Just get a tv with good upscaling. I dont see the need for something like this.
@brotherbodhi237
2 жыл бұрын
@@bloomerb4162 is there a tv out there that doesn’t soft scale?
@bloomerb4162
2 жыл бұрын
@@brotherbodhi237 sonys have sharper upscaling, especially the 2021-22. I play my wii u on 55 in lg cx and it looks fine.
@69metersbelow25
2 жыл бұрын
Then wait for a switch pro lmao
@dekky3908
2 жыл бұрын
Just backed one due to your recommendation, looking forward to adding this to my retro collection.
@rjames7380
2 жыл бұрын
Your Intro & presentation told me that if I should trust anyone. It was you. 😎✌️
@nickglover
2 жыл бұрын
As a device marketed toward Switch, which almost never has any anti-aliasing, I think I'd rather have the three modes be smooth/soft, "pure" which would just be nearest neighbor with no added smoothing or sharpening, and then sharp, which is maybe the medium setting they currently have. It'd be awesome to have this hooked up for Switch, PS3, and 360.
@cemsengul16
Жыл бұрын
I just bought the Mclassic and I am returning it. I purchased the Mclassic to use on my PS3 Slim but I did not like the unnatural image at all because it looks like I rubbed Vaseline on the screen. Call me crazy but I think the PS3 looks better without the Mclassic processing. I will just wait for a 4K Retrotink.
@ABOhiccups
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can you do another test video by having games running in it's native resolution (480p and 720p) with mClassic and 4K Gamer Pro combined?
@JerryFlowersIII
7 ай бұрын
I'm internally crying that TVs don't offer nearest neighbor scaling. It's really the simplest way to scale anything and would make a world of difference for the niche that appreciates it. Great review. Your dedication to a thorough review is greatly felt.
@trumpeter811
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see how this works along side the Mclassic if that is possible ! Seeing if in the chain of HDMI you put it HDMI cable -> Mclassic -> 4K Gamer Pro. So you get the smoothing first then sharpening . Would be really cool to see what happens !
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
That would completely defeat the purpose of either device. They'd cancel each other out and it would look terrible.
@sourmilkandcereal
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB Why would it look "terrible"? I would like to see the results on camera myself to decide that.
@OwtDaftUK
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB The Mclassic only goes up to 1440p (1080p for tvs that don't do 1440p, including mine) So i'd be curious as to how it would look when on the low setting with the mClassic.
@ffylin
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the informative video Bob. For retro games, the sharp scaling is indeed useful. As for Switch games, mCable's anti-alias feature sometimes may be preferred. Did you try daisy chaining the mCable and 4K Gamer Pro?
@Alyxandr
2 жыл бұрын
If this device nearest neighbor upscaled 1080p to 2160p without further changing the image, I'd be really into this device. 720p and 1440p support would have been really useful too.
@rfmerrill
2 жыл бұрын
I agree but it's worth pointing out that nearest-neighbor scaling 1440p to 2160p is hard to make look good since it's a 1.5x scale. Integer scales, or non-integer scales at a higher factor (e.g. 4.5x) are much easier to please people with. There isn't a straightforward way to turn every 2 pixels into 3 pixels sharply (or, really, every 2x2 square into a 3x3 square).
@Alyxandr
2 жыл бұрын
@@rfmerrill That's fine. Other scaling methods can be used for non-1080p resolutions.
@dcashley303
2 жыл бұрын
This may sound like sacrilege but I prefer the look of the mCable in those particular comparisons. The 4K Gamer Pro looks too artifically sharpened and full of halo-ing to my eyes. Prefer the Direct or mCable but I'm sure in person it'll be different.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
There is no wrong answer, it's whatever your eyes prefer :)
@bojangles6444
2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s hard to tell from KZitem this format seems to force compression and look lower resolution than it says. Streaming is not ideal to observe graphical fidelity. Not the content maker’s fault obviously. MCable butchers aspect ratios. I think it only looks good on the switch. I prefer an extron device fudoh recommended for taking 480p-1080p. It’s not a gaming specific device though so I wouldn’t recommend it I can’t speak for how it impacts lag etc. There are 4k professional devices but they cost too much still- thousands.
@dcashley303
2 жыл бұрын
@@bojangles6444 Oh really, I didn't know that the MCable messed with aspect ratios, will have to look into that thanks. Yeah, KZitem compression isn't great. But it least in these instances I preferred the look of the other two options.
@bojangles6444
2 жыл бұрын
@@dcashley303 yeah MCable blows up everything to full screen. The 4:3 ratio is only good for 240p content which I wouldn’t use it for bc I like original hardware. That’s why I found it was only good for stuff already in full screen like the switch. Also it seemed to create graphical problems in older consoles- I don’t know exactly what but to me it made it unusable. There is an out of production extron device recommended on Fudoh’s page that I think is generally more reliable for 480p to 1080p upscaling. Depended on console and game mcable it was very hit or miss. And I also believe Mclassic is the latest version not mcable- it’s all poorly explained. I ended up returning the mcable for mclassic it seemed to be dramatically improved. I don’t know why MCable is still sold for more. I think it’s great for switch and otherwise useless.
@sonicpelaaja
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Nearest neighbor mode would make this an instabuy for me. Great in depth review as always!
@spence2
2 жыл бұрын
this review is actually op I just subbed :)
@gamertoon8230
2 жыл бұрын
Sweet video, you completely changed my perspective on this device, while I do prefer letting my 4K tv scale scale the image, I see this as a nice alternative
@FritzCopyCat
2 жыл бұрын
Man, this thing looks like garbage. It seems to be just upping the sharpness and contrast of the image (and adding artefacts along the way). We all know TVs and monitors have sharpness and contrast controls, right? Has anybody done a teardown of this thing? I wouldn't be surprised if it's just some bog-standard scaler in a fancy case.
@Anna_Rae
2 жыл бұрын
It’s cool that it handles 1080p to 4K, but I’ll stick with my mClassic for my Switch, PS3, etc hooked up to my LG C1
@69metersbelow25
2 жыл бұрын
The m classic for switch on LG C1 doesn't do anything.You need to have a 1440p TV.Otherwise it doesn't do anything for switch.The other old systems it takes full advantage of making a sharper image
@AlexTheSoutherner
2 жыл бұрын
@@69metersbelow25 My tv can't do 1440p but it still smoothes the edges very nicely and handles the colors better.
@EposVox
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@kazaakas
2 жыл бұрын
Make it do integer scaling, eg 2x integer scale 1080p to 4K, and make it support 720p (with 3x integer scaling to 4K), and I'd happily pay the (imo) crazy price for it.
@PurifiedShino
Жыл бұрын
What an amazing video. The effort that went into is extraordinary. Well done.
@RetroRGB
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I always try to be as thorough as possible.
@Septer_Sever
2 жыл бұрын
Great work, as always. The future is...sharp!
@mansenclockworx8215
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bob for your work here 🙌🏼
@FairyKid64
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Bob. Great content. I'm seriously considering getting this product. By the way, any timeframe for the Extron VCS 500 video?
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The VCS is still sitting next to me. I think I'll just do a livestream of it...it'll get less views, but I'll at least have time to do it.
@FairyKid64
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB cool, thanks man. Yeah, I know you're busy. Thanks for the great content!
@Totschlagen1799
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Bob :D.
@MrDusuke
2 жыл бұрын
I want to see that being used to the Steam Deck with pc games. Maybe we can use FSR to transform a low resolution 800p (or even less) to 1080p and then the 4k PRO to upscale it to 4K.... how's that sound? would be nice to see you testing that! thanks for the great video.
@McGreish
2 жыл бұрын
My exact thought. Something I want to try and think it might turn around to having a good usage for this. I imagine docked you could likely have it set to 1080p resolution but it would likely hinder the performance maybe? If not honestly no clue if FSR would make the end result bad in 4K when the 4K Gamer Pro steps in but guess we'll have to wait a few months to see when someone with both tries it.
@ButtholioTheGreat
2 жыл бұрын
interesting, but would it work inline with an MClassic to get gamecube ( or any 480p signal) at 4K?
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
If you mean the mClassic in blue (retro) mode, maybe...it would depend if the mClassic tried to output 1440p or 1080p. You'd have to use an EDID spoofer to be sure.
@JMLRetroRoom
2 жыл бұрын
Send 480p to the mClassic, get 1080p and chain this to see what 4K looks like. Could be the best of both devices. A sharpened smoothed edge.
@Deltax5
2 жыл бұрын
Looks cool. If it's reccemended by the community why not. IDK if it's any better then a high quality TV scalier. If it is ill pick it up for sure. Looking forward with the retrotink 4k. Hope the OSSC pro can do something similar because up scaling to TV's native will always be beneficial. with lag and image quality.
@gametourny4ever627
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the image has to be 1080p for it to scale. That is cool but also a bummer. This device I was more interested in for the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, Wii U, and Switch but not all the games on these systems run at 1080P.
@nightwinn
2 жыл бұрын
The Xbox 360 gpu should scale 720p to 1080p output. At least my TV does not show a resolution change. I originally thought the ANA/HANA chips scaled the image, but later it was proven that the GPU actually does the scaling. Not sure for the PS3. The Wii U should still scale to 1080p. Can't speak to the quality of the built-in scaler for U games, but I can say that vWii games look terrible with the Wii U's scaler. For those, I leave at 480p and let my TV process it.
@nightwinn
2 жыл бұрын
@@captainthunderbolt7541 It would be a decent money pit, but couldn't someone use the mClassic in either processed/not mode to upscale 480p/720p to 1080p and then run that through this to upscale to 4k? Not sure how well that would look for 480p content. I would love to see Nvidia release an in-line AI DLSS processor (preferably lag
@McGreish
2 жыл бұрын
I've been very on the fence about this device. You've went really in depth and that's absolutely amazing. Problem is a lot of other videos seem to show 1080p content output by the switch as very blurry, even the official KZitem of the device does this. Is that due to their capture card? Thing is, I was so confused by this and having owned and backed a MClassic I compared on my TV (EU Samsung QN95A) the default 1080p, MClassic 1440p and well, they were VERY close in fact, the blur in those other videos is non existent for me. Though my TV is likely doing a good job at upscaling techniques it may use behind the scenes I'm guessing? I found much better use of my mClassic on a mid range TV though it definitely gave less blur to even the UI on my Nintendo Switch and I was a lot more impressed in how obvious it was opposed to my now high end TV. I can see your comparisons they look a lot closer at least but I will have to look over this a few times on my TV to try get a better idea. I'm just uncertain really, with what videos existed before yours I was very much leaning towards not backing this but with your video there is a glimmer of hope this is actually a considerable device. Hopefully you can fill me in on my questions I'd really appreciate that especially from somebody who knows their stuff could help me decipher between these.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent question and good observation. While I can't speak for exactly how everyone else created their video, I have some guesses: - KZitem compression ruins things. If you don't render your video exactly the right way, things can look much different than what you saw when creating the video. Heck, this can happen even if you do everything right! - It could be that you're viewing a compressed 1080p image that's now being stretched to 4K on your TV. This is one of the many reasons I wanted to include video on a TV, instead of just captures, as it can often be a better representation. - People could have poor capture setups. I mean no disrespect by that - It took me YEARS to get into "good enough" territory and I still have a long way to go. But if someone used basic capture software and a USB device to capture the Switch, it's going to look a LOT worse than on your TV. If you'd like to experiment more, please check out the pinned post: You can see some high quality 1080p vs 4K Gamer Pro examples and as long as you view them in full screen on the display you'll be gaming on, it should be REALLY close to what you'd see with the real thing.
@McGreish
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB Thank you so much for your response, I'm not entirely convinced by how bad the native 1080p shown is compared to the 4k gamer Pro videos which tbh on their video closely resembles how it looks natively on my TV, though you are entirely right about compression, etc coming into play. You could see these mentioned videos yourself by searching 4k gamer Pro the manufacturers channel comes up. I will definitely have a look at your pinned post, thanks again really useful insight and definitely after looking back over your KZitem video on my TV the 4k gamer Pro does look very defined and sharper!
@TheFrenchy82
2 жыл бұрын
Strangely, no test with XBOX 360 or PS3 ??? too bad.... :-(
@steppinonastoop677
2 жыл бұрын
this will work very nicely with a ps3 and original Xbox. gotta get one of these.
@jeremyharshe2337
2 жыл бұрын
It’s great to finally see another device that’s not full of lag. Great video man, and have fun in Brazil!
@ZeroUm_
2 жыл бұрын
I preferred the soft look of mCable in Link's Awakening, and the low-med level sharp ones in BotW. Hopefully we can get more super customizable 4k scalers in the future. A MiSTer 4k tho, would be a dream.
@NerdyShawn
2 жыл бұрын
doh! Kickstarter snag this morning "This is a message from Kickstarter’s Trust and Safety team. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, 4K Gamer Pro: Instantly Upgrade Your Game Console to 4k, is the subject of an intellectual property dispute." :/
@st1ka
2 жыл бұрын
Bob is about to do what we call a Pro Game move 😏
@MrHentaiLord
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome info I definitely backed this product and can't wait to get
@earlier6977
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for video been trying to find something that would work with my c2 for the switch
@petemalogne5219
2 жыл бұрын
and…. theyre now face stock issues lol.. good luck to em, hats off to the team.. soooo much opportunity for anything thats done right. You will sell em all imo.
@MOS6582
2 жыл бұрын
Someone just build a box that pure integer scales 1080 and 720 to 2160 please. No menu, no other functions, just HDMI in and HDMI out. Pixels will be so happy that someone finally gets them.
@kdkseven
28 күн бұрын
So, if you like CRT filters, it's probably better to put this money toward a RetroTink 4K, because the Tink can do all this, and do it better?
@RetroRGB
28 күн бұрын
Absolutely. Now, I completely understand that’s a BIG price difference and many people might not want to spend that much. In that case, a TINK 5x is still amazing. …but the RT4K is the best.
@itchyisvegeta
2 жыл бұрын
Here is what I am most excited about on something like this. Don't most TVs have less input lag when displaying native 4K content, compared to 1080p or 720p content, due to less processing power needed? If so, this would help further improve input lag on modern TVs.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4CwtJOPgYyWrY4
@TheDesecrator
2 жыл бұрын
I really want to use this and my Mcable together. Sharpen up that already wonderful anti-aliased image and bump it up from 1080p to 4k. Man, I can't wait until August.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
That's counter-productive - It would be exactly like dulling the blade of a knife, just to sharpen it again. Please don't get sucked into mCable's shady marketing...they'd love you to believe their adapter is magic.
@TheDesecrator
Жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB Well, I tried it for myself and my games have literally never looked better. And frankly, you sound like a nut.
@rafadono
2 жыл бұрын
So, if a game has a dynamic resolution (ps4, switch, etc) it won't work a lot of time, it would be nice to add support for other resolutions, for example, 720p to 1440p or 900p to 1800p. I still think is a good product though.
@isaax961
2 жыл бұрын
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude, Will we finally get a scaler for the xbox 360 and ps3? I really hope this scaler will be the answer
@lplumptree
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it’s not, the 360 and PS3 mainly render games at 720p so if you’re using the 1080p output modes, the game is 720p improperly scaled to 1080p, then to my eyes scaled with a sharpening filter to 4K
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
@@lplumptree That statement only applies to games with 2D graphics. Check the pinned post and see the footage for yourself.
@lplumptree
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB Thank you very much for uploading that extra video, it really does look better when not super zoomed in. I still have to say that I personally am not a fan of the edge enhancement that is applied, and am hoping they release an update that allows for just a straight nearest neighbour upscale. 720p support would also be amazing & open it up to 360, PS3, and WiiU.
@4h0w1e6
2 жыл бұрын
I 'd be interested to try it on 1080p video content.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
Sharp scaling video content never looks good. I've tried many times :) This is for video games only.
@butterman2409
Жыл бұрын
I hate the 1080p requirement. I want this for the ps3 but majority of those games only push 720p
@ericochoa4034
2 жыл бұрын
I have that retrocastle mister it's cool but one quirk is that although it has a power button it doesn't really turn off power completely as the USB ports still have power. so if you plug anything in with leds those won't turn off!
@RyanBGSTL
2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever considered selling certifications these products can print on the box?
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to, because it wouldn't be "Bob Approved", it would be "Community Approved". Might cause more headache's then it's worth though. I'll definitely look into it.
@thanksbetotap
2 жыл бұрын
I just want to say that Bob is awesome and does great work, and that Intec is a deplorable and awful company.
@bookshelffury
2 жыл бұрын
Dear RetroRGB, are there any no lag scalers out there that take a 720p signal and make it 4k? my tv has kinda high input lag with 720p, but if i feed it a 4k signal the input lag is good. Hate to buy a new tv just to have less input lag with 720p playstation 3 games. thanks!
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
The upcoming RetroTINK 4K (2023 release?) is the only gaming scaler that can do that at the moment. But I don't think your TV has lag with a 720p signal...it might just feel like it's laggy, cause the motion blur is more noticeable?: kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4CwtJOPgYyWrY4
@veomax1937
2 жыл бұрын
Cool video but does it help make the aspect ratio bigger like with Mcclassic connected to retro consoles?
@frankbizzoco1954
2 жыл бұрын
Did you try to add this doodad on the back of an AVR? I have my switch, and Retrotink 5x hooked directly into my receiver, and I am curious if it will do the same thing as if I hooked it directly onto those devices. Im also curious to see what it will do if it is daisy chained with an Mclassic. If I play gamecube, I go Carby+Mclassic retro mode and I really like the results. Curious if this will make it even better.
@Dark_Jaguar
2 жыл бұрын
This device implements something I've wanted to see for a few years, and that's a subtle "color blending" right at the edge of hard pixels in retro gaming. It's a digital equivalent of the analog blending that occurred naturally on CRTs and went a long way to hide more obvious blanked scan lines. I'd love to see how it worked with scanline blanking turned to full black. We're getting closer and closer to fully replicating all the wonderful little effects of old CRT gaming with every one of these devices. I do have to hold off since that compatibility issue worries me, but here's hoping they get that ironed out and further that we see it implemented in the next generation of OSSC type devices. If we can simulate "dot chasing" style scan lines, not only will we also bust modern display blur for retro games, we'll have finally reached light gun compatibility. That'll be when we finally reach 1000FPS displays though... Some way off. For the record, I adore the look of dithering patterns even at full sharpness. I think the pattern itself is pretty to look at, but then again I've been looking at those patterns since old DOS games were using them in full RGB clarity, and coming from growing up with both PCs and consoles I grew to like them. They still provide that illusion of higher color even when you can make out the pattern. My one exception to this rule is when the blending was meant to produce transparency effects, like the waterfall in Sonic or the water bubbles in Nights into Dreams. In those cases, composite signaling is really the only way to see those as intended and the only way they look anything close to good.
@brkbtjunkie
2 жыл бұрын
Your last comment, why composite signaling and not component?
@Dark_Jaguar
2 жыл бұрын
@@brkbtjunkie Composite is messy enough to blend the pixels and make those things look transparent. Anything with better signaling would keep the pixels unblended and there will be no transparency.
@brkbtjunkie
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dark_Jaguar interesting thought process. Make it look worse so it can look better?
@ryugohan
2 жыл бұрын
I was interested in this device before the kickstarter launched so I wanted to get as I could, unfortunately it doesn’t ship to where I live so I have no way of getting it. 😔
@mindscan420
2 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering could it do anything with 1080i? Or would Bob-deinterlaced 1080i look any good on it?
@djm9937
2 жыл бұрын
Not having a MiSTer or retrotink 5x I think a scanline generator would be a nice addition too?
@RexBuyeo
2 жыл бұрын
Do you know how I can use this with 480p or 1440p content? Maybe you should try an Xbox 360 set to 720p upscaled to 1440p downscaled to 1080p then upscaled to 4k. This product just frustrates me. It should be able to accept any resolution and upscale to 4k. The product page specifically states ps3 and xbox set to 1080p but the native resolution of those games are 720p or less (some games output sub 720p and upscale to 720p).
@CollinKenny
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob!
@flamehiro
7 ай бұрын
Seems like both mcable amd 4k gamer pro have their use cases
@TheCoolDave
2 жыл бұрын
Neat..... I wonder how it works with the classic Framemeister.... It would be nice to go right out of it and directly to 4K with out needing the TV to do anything (and that could add some possable lag)
@ThatOldSchoolMagic
2 жыл бұрын
@8:48 It’s not too bad if you’re playing PS1/2 games on a PS3 while the System is set to output 480P. I’m pretty sure it’s useless for 1080P content though since it’s not doing much.
@infinitewarriorproduction6278
7 ай бұрын
Bro does this work well for the ps3 to upsclae to 4k led tv
@MegaSegawa
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see PS3 720p games with it
@Spaghettaboutit
2 жыл бұрын
It can only receive 1080p, so you'll have to upscale the 720p to 1080p.....unless the PS3 can output those games as 1080p....
@samuraispiritsx
2 жыл бұрын
Seems pretty cool. I would like to try this out with PS3 and 360 games.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
Wobbling Pixels showed some cool examples of those: www.retrorgb.com/4k-gamer-pro-wobbling-pixels-comparison.html
@fwannmacher
2 жыл бұрын
Is that me or there are no comparisons in the sonic segment. It looks like we are looking just the image from the TV's scaler
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
That's KZitem :( When I watch the original file, the difference is clear. I totally forgot to put the on-screen note there though...sorry!
@BluntedBob-Omb
8 ай бұрын
Have you tried using this on a WiiU? Looking for a good upscaler for Wii U play.
@RetroRGB
8 ай бұрын
It'll work well for any games that would look better sharp-scaled, but remember it has to be set to 1080p output. It's not nearly as good as the RT4K...but both of those price points match the features, so it's fair.
@kevfleth
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always. I would love to see a video overview on the Retrocastle's Mister FPGA you have featured at 15:03. How is the video quality of Saturn output differ from the usual VGA output? What do the settings look like? There aren't any videos on that version of Mister on youtube.
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
It's awesome. If you only need RGB SCART output, it's an excellent choice. You'd have to make a custom cable for YPbPr though, so I'd suggest the VGA version if you need that.
@kevfleth
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB Would a HD Retrovision or Retro Gaming Cable's Saturn component not work on the Retrocastle's Saturn output?
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
It should. That's a bit expensive though to get both.
@bobbynick5358
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it be nice if there's a upscaler for a decent price, maybe like 60 bucks or so, a mix of mclassic and something else like this device, that can add in anti-aliasing or a smooth blend filter or a lite sharp filter, or gdapt shader but as a choice and able to have 1 or a of mix 2 together or have all on at once.
@rentoptional1524
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Maybe I'll use this for my analogue super NT or Mega sg
@jacobbaranowski
Жыл бұрын
That is good to know, that it doesn't suck
@drac6838
2 жыл бұрын
Can you test this with PS3? They answered a question and said the PS3 is not compatible - but I thought PS3 native resolution was 720p but internally upscaled and outputted to 1080p? So theoretically it should work just like RT5X and Ps2?
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
It might be PS3's weird HDCP issue. I'll try for a follow-up video. Please keep an eye on retrorgb.com for more info.
@danlah1303
Жыл бұрын
I was disappointed with what happened to my n64 picture quality after upgrading to 85” 4K from a 1080p 55” plasma. I’m wondering if I need to put retrotink2x output thru this?
@RetroRGB
Жыл бұрын
This requires a 1080p input signal, so that won't work. Maybe try buying a RetroTINK 5x? It's a MASSIVE upgrade from the 2x.
@bavarianconsolegamer
Жыл бұрын
When I try to capture gameplay with the elgato 4k60 s+, using the gamer+ gives me a totally oversaturated image in the recording, although on screen it looks great. Anybody know a solution for this?
@wixxzblu
2 жыл бұрын
i dont know about you guys, but this looks like an oversharpened mess
@ecryptix1010
2 жыл бұрын
When he said Sonic Mania looked better with 4Kgamerpro I turned it off that’s hilarious no way does that look better!!
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
You do realize KZitem compression ruined most of those comparisons, right? And did you even check the pinned post before trolling?
@jagoca2846
2 жыл бұрын
Which one screen used for comparisons ????
@NerdyShawn
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob, just pre-ordered one + 5’ hdmi 2.0a cable addon. I don’t even own a 4K TV, lol!
@Debu_Ranger
2 жыл бұрын
Same! I don't even own a 4K tv but one day I might!
@NerdyShawn
2 жыл бұрын
@@Debu_Ranger yeah wasn't that excited about 4K but hooking my Retrotink 5x to this sounds like reason to buy one when it ships in the fall.
@NerdyShawn
2 жыл бұрын
doh! "This is a message from Kickstarter’s Trust and Safety team. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, 4K Gamer Pro: Instantly Upgrade Your Game Console to 4k, is the subject of an intellectual property dispute."
@Debu_Ranger
2 жыл бұрын
@@NerdyShawn I heard it was about the video content that show Nintendo games or something like that.
@jaxh4x
2 жыл бұрын
if this supported 720p it would be a no brainer.
@wingedhussar1453
2 жыл бұрын
In terms of motion u can tell they include some lil blur not as nice in motion
@psycomutt
2 жыл бұрын
9:00 I have Seen (and added) plenty of zoomed in pictures showing the difference an Mclassic makes in 6th gen consoles. It's very noticeable. I don't have any 5th gen or lower consoles to try, but they didn't even advertise the device for that.
@rescuecomplex5115
10 ай бұрын
Hi. Can it upscale 720p or 576p, or is it just 1080p, please?
@RetroRGB
10 ай бұрын
As stated in the video, only 1080p
@rescuecomplex5115
10 ай бұрын
Ok, thanks. I only saw it later. Thank you!@@RetroRGB
@perfectdelsol
2 жыл бұрын
How does this compare to the mclassic?
@djm9937
2 жыл бұрын
Hard to compare as the mClassic is only good for 480p/720p content. This sweet box of tricks only works 1080p upwards. Of all the upscaling gadgets out there, all i have is the mClassic. Would be interesting to see what a 480p Xbox looks like upscaled to 1080p with the mClassic then through the 4k Gamer Pro.
@morewarren
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!!!
@RMwashere
2 жыл бұрын
Can you use this with the RetroTink 5x for 4K, or would it be redundant?
@RetroRGB
2 жыл бұрын
I show this in the video. If your TV does a really soft scale, this is a huge improvement.
@gregjarvis1232
2 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed where at 5 plus years into the Nintendo switch lifespan 3 different switches yet not 1 has been made native 4k I did like the look of the oled but no 4k was a deal breaker 4 me
@abrahamthomas32
Жыл бұрын
Hi. Does it upscale 1080p 60 hz to 4k?
@RetroRGB
Жыл бұрын
Yes. I cover this in the video. Please give it a watch.
@mindscan420
Жыл бұрын
So how do I get this working with MiSTer exactly? What setting needs to be adjusted in the .ini to change HDMI polarity? I just got mine and it won’t work with MiSTer. I tested it with some things so far, and I didn’t really like what it did with Xbox and Gamecube after upscaling those to 1080p with RetroTink5x, but I do like it a lot for Switch as I always hated the Switch’s soft ass output to my LG OLED This thing woulda been so much more useful to me if it worked on 720p sources though, PSTV and PS3 could use it
@RetroRGB
Жыл бұрын
Can you try replacing the "video_mode" line in the MiSTer.ini file with this?: video_mode=1920,88,44,148,1080,3,5,37,148500,+hsync,+vsync Please let me know if that's the fix.
@mindscan420
Жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB hey Bob, thanks for the quick response as always, that did indeed work :)
@mindscan420
Жыл бұрын
@@RetroRGB this fix however seems to break MiSTer's Analog output for me, I no longer get component out if I have that typed into the video mode. If I change it back to video_mode = 8, component works again.. oh well. I'll just change them on the fly if i need to i guess. I mostly just plan to use this thing with Switch, but it did make MiSTer a bit sharper at a farther viewing distance :)
@RetroRGB
Жыл бұрын
Wow, that's so weird! I'll update the post with all that info. And thanks for testing the production version!
@melaninking199
11 ай бұрын
Will this 4K Gamer work with my original N64?
@RetroRGB
11 ай бұрын
You’d need to first scale your N64 to 1080p, then use this. If you need 4K, it would be better to get the RetroTINK 4K, which is coming out by the end of the year.
@Dafub21
2 жыл бұрын
If only it did 1440p 120hz to 4k 120hz. I have a LG C9 but only A RX 5700XT which does not have HDMI 2.1 out would be cool way to get a native feed to the screen
@user-oj3om6oz5n
2 жыл бұрын
Can use it together with my Mclassic (at the same time)?
@nightwinn
2 жыл бұрын
This looks like a great option until Nvidia decides to create an in-line DLSS scaler. At least it can pass through lower/higher than 1080p resolutions. It would really hurt usability if it couldn't.
@nightwinn
2 жыл бұрын
@@captainthunderbolt7541 That makes sense. I figured it was a pipe dream. I was just thinking about what the Nvidia Shield could do for videos. It looks like the product in this video is the closest we will get.
@nightwinn
2 жыл бұрын
@@captainthunderbolt7541 Would you recommend purchasing a newer Shield in 2022? I have a Chromecast with Google TV that works great, but the 4k AI upscale and faster hardware sounds appealing. That said, being based on 2015 (?) hardware, I'm a bit hesitant to invest in hardware that is approaching becoming obsolete. Hopefully Nvidia will release a newer model based on a 4k Tegra chip or better.
@nightwinn
2 жыл бұрын
@@captainthunderbolt7541 Really hoping Nvidia does a new chip shield and the 4k switch. I'm glad you like the apple tv. Never bought one, but I always thought they had a great looking interface. I'm hoping android tv has better support for xbox cloud and parsec gaming. Both are great on Android phones, but not on android tv.
@fedeterra42
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, but i would love to see some ps3 Tests.
@adamshihab
Жыл бұрын
The mClassic MisTer example isn't correct, you have to lower the input resolution you're passing into the mClassic for it to add appropriate anti-aliasing e.g. it adds more AA on my 480p Wii than my 1080p Switch. If you're feeding it 1080p it isn't going to do anything for PS1 games.
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