I appreciate you guys looking into this when other popular gaming outlets dismiss technical analysis altogether other than the shallow, "graphics comparison." Keep up the good content.
@reznoire
5 жыл бұрын
What outlets are "dismissing" technical analysis?
@sems1193
5 жыл бұрын
@@reznoire IGN and Gamespot, for starters, as they are the biggest gaming outlets on KZitem
@melxb
5 жыл бұрын
actually read patch notes of patch 1.09 rockstar says they just fixed ambient occlusion to match version 1.00 and originally removed it to help framerate
@hasenalkasir9874
5 жыл бұрын
Xn
@hasenalkasir9874
5 жыл бұрын
Xna
@AngryChineseWoman
5 жыл бұрын
* Plays for 30 minutes to test the new patch * * Finally gets 3-star moose pelt out of amazing luck *
@Derivedwhale45
5 жыл бұрын
And that's folks is why 3 leaf clovers exists for a reason
@ekopermana7150
5 жыл бұрын
I hope R* can make moose, parakeet, rio grande turkey, california owl, and western pronghorn spawn rate higher, man those animals spawn rate is pretty shit 😆
@Mac2nite.
5 жыл бұрын
Marc Balestre I had to save and reload over 20 times just for the 3 star moose to finally spawn.
@Pointman11111
5 жыл бұрын
@@Derivedwhale45 best mission in gta 4
@chrisd6736
5 жыл бұрын
Lol seriously that took me at least 10 hours to find a 3 star moose!
@orijimi
5 жыл бұрын
Evilboris sounds completely at home in a DF video. Remarkably natural delivery for a first-time guest.
@uzeeinc
5 жыл бұрын
He's actually hosted videos on other channels like HDTVTest before so maybe that's why.
@Jonifico
5 жыл бұрын
They're just having a conversation about HDR, of course they all sound natural. I don't see what your fuzz is about.
@squidstone8399
5 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see snow and Arthur walking around I immediately wanna appreciate this masterpiece because it all just seems so unreal
@killer1one1
5 жыл бұрын
I actually kind of get that. I was so eager and hyped for this game for the better part of a decade and now that it's out there (and it's so unbelievably masterfully made) it just kinda doesn't feel real. Like my brain hasn't fully caught up to it yet.
@squidstone8399
5 жыл бұрын
@@killer1one1 exactly. It's too realistic ,its like we are forcefully controlling a living being,feels weird
@High2GetBy
5 жыл бұрын
@@squidstone8399 I can't even play this game anymore. I am so glad you are both happy with the game but I hate what they have done. I don't wanna ramble but it's just fuked it was perfect now it's not just go look at the fur on the wolves for example
@maulcs
5 жыл бұрын
@@High2GetBy Wolf fur? What?
@High2GetBy
5 жыл бұрын
@@maulcs things look way differnt like the wolves fur, hair whatever you wanna call it looks badly pixelated or whatever word you want to use same with the dogs in the game I played when it first came out I know what I mean if you don't then that's ok.
@gimmejokers3948
5 жыл бұрын
I compared SDR to HDR on the Xbox One X and a Sony XF90. The HDR in this game is bad and I can't understand how anyone can recommend it. You loose lots of contrast and get that silver haze thing going on. White never looks white in HDR, no matter how you set it up. Switch back to normal mode and it's night and day. The artdesign uses a very specific bright red in the pause menu, cover and logo. in HDR it's dark compared. Interesting is that they build someting into the SDR picture that kind of emulates HDR. When inside cabins and light floods through the windows, the effect is stronger in SDR than HDR. Same goes for fireplaces, candles etc. Because of all that I think the graphics look better on SDR. No washed out colours, more contrast, more details. DF's video comparison has some kind of issue showing off SDR. It's not how the game looks live in front of you (no clowns makeup). I see that the art directors invested a ton into making this game with a very specific cinema level of colour grading and it looks as they just couldn't translate that vision into HDR afterwards. Instead of relying on some benchmark heatmap just look with your own eyes and take in what you really see.
@alexwhite3232
4 жыл бұрын
gimme jokers man you gotta keep playing with your settings then because it’s so flat in SDR. I have a Sony x900e and while I have some black crush issues, the HDR looks better than the SDR.
@shishaceo5204
4 жыл бұрын
9:20 HDR BETTER
@danielr6302
4 жыл бұрын
Alex White I play with sdr on My TVs natural mode. For some reason, only with RDR2, the hdr looks horrid. There is little contrast, as compared to my TVs sdr Natural mode which has accurate colors (not the overblown ones seen here) with great black levels.
@audax117
4 жыл бұрын
This is because your TV's hdr is bad
@danielr6302
4 жыл бұрын
GOKU DOS GAMES did you not read my comment at all? The hdr is only bad with RDR2 lol. It’s great on everything else.
@casualintrovert207
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone's faces in SDR looks like a cartoon character who just sat on a fire
@Faithful-Preservation
5 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. I play RDR2 on just an SDR display myself and it doesn't look like this. Perhaps somehting went wrong when they encoded the SDR footage within the HDR container of this video.
@marcoyaque
5 жыл бұрын
xGeoThumbs ikr, I never see it like I did in this video
@ChrisPBacon-xn9up
5 жыл бұрын
xGeoThumbs I think the settings they have for sdr looks over saturated. Like they put put way too much color and the tempature is too cool.
@Lukulele1989
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah at 5:35 it basically looks like a poorly calibrated image, like the characters senselessly appear sunburned. Yet then around 6:00 they suggested that cinematic, the more correct looking mode, was “fixed.” Also, it’s personal preference, but I would not increase the brightness slider past the capabilities of my TV, as this oled owner did. Creates a less faithful image, I would think
@kyatsuka
5 жыл бұрын
Read the description guys...
@shuteye2702
5 жыл бұрын
It still looks too dark and lifeless in HDR. I still prefer the vibrancy of the normal mode.
@Quacker_Gaming
5 жыл бұрын
I thought that for a while too when first swapping from sdr to hdr in any game or movie but looking back now, hdr looks more natural and less oversaturated. It looks more realistic imo in hdr. I get some people want more color which is all subjective and fine but hdr gives a very real feel to everything imo.
@JohnnyEstacado
5 жыл бұрын
@@Quacker_Gaming exactly my opinion. I love the visual style of the cinematic HDR settings.
@HammerHawkPRO
5 жыл бұрын
i agree with you, SDR looks much better with great colors.
@FEWGEE1
2 жыл бұрын
It looks washed out in HDR. It's awful. This game was designed for SDR.
@DriveCancelDC
5 жыл бұрын
My SDR image was never that oversaturated and I'm watching on a HDR screen, very bad representation of the SDR experience
@MrBenedick14
5 жыл бұрын
It depends on your tv..because in the previous digital foundry videos they prefer more natural color the way developers intended.. Maybe they are using oled tv..
@esaezzat3330
5 жыл бұрын
Just tested the HDR, going from SDR, and I like this fix a lot. I couldn't stand the fake HDR (or "cinematic" as they call it) before, but this new game HDR is a lot better. It has its own art to it, of which some people might prefer to stick with SDR which arguably has better colour saturation. But I feel the game HDR feels more realistic. There are some fine details that I didn't notice when using SDR before, which is down to the magic of HDR. Kudos to Rockstar for continuously improving the game. Next up, checkerboard fix?
@pablovi77
5 жыл бұрын
The cinematic mode is the way it was designed to look. You people just like Blockbuster kind of films, like Transformers and shit. Just leave the game like it was art directed and lit!
@ThorStoneGaming
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid about AO, people were attacking me on my channel for insisting AO wasn't removed, it's density was just changed a bit in 1.07, i posted videos for proof and got attacked claiming i was wrong and AO had been removed even though it was present in every scene i tested. Now i can refer to this video in the future to shut people up.
@Jambobist
5 жыл бұрын
Angry gamers losing their shit over nothing? Say it ain't so.
@ThorStoneGaming
5 жыл бұрын
@@Jambobist I even admitted the density of the AO had changed, i posted videos just to prove AO was still present, just slightly lighter. They just kept calling me a liar and blind, and that AO was definitely missing. I gave up replying to them.
@Sinn0100
5 жыл бұрын
Wait so the ambient occlusion was removed? I did not know that...interesting. Does it look that much worse than it did? Perhaps they should give us a choice. They already have both versions and giving us the option to play in SDR with AO or HDR without AO. I would love to have the option to overclock the Xbox One X and have both options! A man can wish right?! ;)
@melxb
5 жыл бұрын
to be fair things changed over time with new patches it is during patch 1.03 and 1.05 or so where it looked completely off like missing shadows under the trains/trollies or inside stores/bar things looking more flat, did later patches fix it very likely esp the current newest one, but i do wish digital did compare it further past the intro and i dont have the game anymore to check myself
@Taijifufu
5 жыл бұрын
Sinn0100 nonono. People were saying it was removed from objects or downgraded, but this video proves they merely tweaked the AO with a patch and it was in fact largely for the better afterwards.
@supermx507
5 жыл бұрын
About 110 GB of data just to test the new HDR mode .. sight
@Solidsteakx
5 жыл бұрын
SuperMX sight indeed
@joethehitman4479
5 жыл бұрын
Glad I waited to play this game. I care nothing for the online mode.
@nickabbott319
5 жыл бұрын
Joe TheHitman Same
@hamzehaladwan
5 жыл бұрын
Online got better though so you both are missing out
@nickabbott319
5 жыл бұрын
Hamzeh Al-Adwan maybe your right
@hamzehaladwan
5 жыл бұрын
@@nickabbott319 give it a try and also you can play without PS Plus until 27th of May
@nickabbott319
5 жыл бұрын
Hamzeh Al-Adwan oh damn that’s nice I haven’t renewed it yet,I definitely will then.Thanks man :)
@hollywooda111
3 жыл бұрын
I love HDR but this implementation of it is horrific! and for a AAA game that's simply unacceptable. SDR looks like what you'd expect the HDR to look like, what a fuck up. Turn it off and enjoy a rich and vibrant, beautiful game.
@CriPPleR_HD
5 жыл бұрын
Hire Adam, we need good HDR coverage on these analysis!
@michaelbracken9585
5 жыл бұрын
Check out HDTVtest. He does hdr analysis on that channel
@Naglfar
5 жыл бұрын
All the HDR scenes look like there’s a coat of white mist over the whole screen. Lacks depth contrast and saturation.
@sebastianhernandez6479
4 жыл бұрын
I hate it!
@FEWGEE1
2 жыл бұрын
The HDR still sucks
@Nanomaroni
3 жыл бұрын
Please do a Re-Visit in 2021 :)
@wetakethetrips6313
5 жыл бұрын
It’s still a blurry mess on PS4 Pro and I have the digital version.
@bigkabuto
2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that doesn't like how SDR looks here? Way too colourful, and it doesn't suit this game in my opinion. It's a realistic game and I definitely prefer the HDR look over that. On my C9 it doesn't look that crazy colorful either.
@rafadrath7481
2 жыл бұрын
+1
@Dex99SS
5 жыл бұрын
Man, I dunno... That color desat is real as hell. It totally drains the game of all of its life, and I am watching in HDR myself here... I suppose if you do as Adam said, and adjust the panel itself to saturate the colors more, it could do the trick... But wow does that stock effect take the wind out of the image.
@halofreak1990
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm really surprised by how bad it is. If this is the price to pay for HDR, then count me out.
@Dex99SS
5 жыл бұрын
@@halofreak1990 it typically isn't... In sloppy applications, or in cases like this where things were developed with sdr in mind first and foremost, then hdr is cooked up real fast at the end, it certainly can be. A lot of hdr content looks incredible though, it itself is certainly not a bad thing.
@DeadPixel1105
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the game is *too* saturated and colorful using SDR, honestly. Looks cartoonish.
@LukeHimself
5 жыл бұрын
*I really don't care about having a part of the picture being as bright as a flashlight..* The contrast is nice, if it achieves near true black, and a bright white, on the same screen. *My interest in HDR has always been WCG, wide color reference is the true star of the show, I don't see how its not showcased by everyone as the most important thing in HDR..*
@AlecRozsa
5 жыл бұрын
The two work hand in hand. WCG is indeed often forgotten about. It is made more apparent and beautiful with the highest contrast ratios. The eye can perceive the colors more when they are not suppressed by a lower contrast ratio. But it is easier to measure in terms that the general consumer can immediately see measured by simple units, rather than DCIP coverage and stuff like that.. In the case of RDR2 though, your point is really proven. Rockstar capitalized on this general trend to avoid going in and doing the real work. I agree 100% that the biggest improvement I saw when I first used HDR was going to 10bpc.
@gstylez0107
5 жыл бұрын
Both are equally important imo.. Both in conjunction is required for peak realism. The peak brightness is required to achieve wcg anyways..
@echox000
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@NoFaceCobain
5 жыл бұрын
I agree deep color is a big deal
@MaaZeus
5 жыл бұрын
Properly done HDR on good screen is not bright as a flashlight, except when you stare at the sun just like in real life.
@emptyclaw1265448
5 жыл бұрын
Its razer sharp on that xboxone x with that native 4k.
@limitslines9896
5 жыл бұрын
This is about fixing the hdr not resolution
@ShanL2604
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve just started playing this game so great timing
@RawWrath
5 жыл бұрын
Eehhh what have you been playing?!
@xvxvcaspervxvx
5 жыл бұрын
Hope you bought physical and not digital!
@JabPlayz-Gaming
5 жыл бұрын
@@xvxvcaspervxvx Whats wrong with digital? I mean I am a pc gamer and digital games are popular more then physical on pc gaming.
@xvxvcaspervxvx
5 жыл бұрын
@@JabPlayz-Gaming For consoles it makes a difference when reinstalling games. You can always go back to v1.00 with a disk; but digital always installs with the latest patches and there's no going back. So for RDR2; some of the more fun single player gliches only exist before v1.05; meaning; digital will never be able to do them unless they never updated their game. If the next gen of console lets me delete patches separate from the game file then I'd be fine with that. Thus only the patches (a few GB) would be much easier to reinstall than the entire game again just to go back to v1.00. Or even better, the ability to delete individual patches! Also constant internet connection required to validate digital games from both server and client sides. If one fails, then you can't play the game. The disk always has the license encrypted to it, so you can always play it.
@JabPlayz-Gaming
5 жыл бұрын
@@xvxvcaspervxvx Pretty much it's same on pc. The game installs with the latest patch.
@MarceloTezza
5 жыл бұрын
At 13:17 you can spot quite clearly that the hair quality has been reduced significantly, possibly reduced tesselation, it looks really bad.
@mgiebus1869
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Even at 16:00 the horse hair textures are dramatically downgraded as well
@High2GetBy
5 жыл бұрын
I can't play this game anymore look at the fur look at the wolves and other animals and when i skin things the carcus looks like graphics from a ps2 game. I am surrounded by RDR2 merch and now I'm put of the game. I hate this it was my escape they have messed this game up plain and simple and most don't notice what I notice the gameplay is differnt it's fukin terrible it's depressing
@nowhy4001
5 жыл бұрын
@@High2GetBy if you brought the disc version just uninstall and reinstall and dont update.
@High2GetBy
5 жыл бұрын
@@nowhy4001 I did that months ago and it made me start to have ghosting so no that's not the answer the answer is they fuked it up and made it more like online it was so perfect that now I notice the B.S. to much it is terrible
@High2GetBy
5 жыл бұрын
@@nowhy4001 I am wondering why you say for me to do that? I don't know what it's going to change like did you uninstall then reinstall?
@Nero_PR
5 жыл бұрын
Watches in 144p 60FPS HDR
@Hoytehablode
5 жыл бұрын
Fastest click in the west!!!
@gregoryross9770
5 жыл бұрын
Lol me tooo!!!
@vincenzocantarero5787
5 жыл бұрын
Me too yesterday!😂😅
@ervo26
5 жыл бұрын
U guys should do a Video about recommended tv settings for qled TVs
@Spoggi99YT
5 жыл бұрын
Many viewers asked for this, thank you very much for the service!
@stan254
5 жыл бұрын
I'm happy about the AO and the HDR boost but the CBR still being shit still is making me wait to play this on next gen consoles or wait for another patch. The game just looks way too soft and it looks downright blurry next to the 4k XB1X.
@anthonyj810
5 жыл бұрын
Get the PS4 Pro if you can find it for cheaper. I own both the pro and the Xbox One X and I wasted $300 on the Xbox One X because dumbfucks kept telling me there is a huge difference between the two yet they're nearly identical on my 55" 4K TV which is a TCL 6 series which is a true native 4k 12 bit panel and has FALD and wide color gamut. The difference is so small you have to put them side by side and stare at the details for minutes to see any difference. Xbox fanboys lie too damn much.
@RemixerUltimate
5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyj810 our TCL panels are 10 bit, not 12.
@iamcll
5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyj810 ^ignore this dude its a very large blurry shit of a difference on RDR2
@anthonyj810
5 жыл бұрын
@@RemixerUltimate Dolby Vision is 12 bit this is the R617 model in 55"
@vandammage1747
5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyj810 , if you can't see a difference between native 4K and 1440p you're the dumbest guy on youtube. Games like Dirt 2 are 1080p on "not so pro" and 4K on X1X but let me guess no difference right? Lol
@grimwatcher
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for looking into it, I love this game so much and knowing the HDR was so poorly implemented back on launch was kinda frustrating. It's really encouraging to know the devs still patching graphical improvements like these. And regarding the ambient occlusion, I figured the internet was crying g over imaginary spilled milk and that wasn't the case, glad you guys out the nail in the coffin of that nonsense.
@gamerjema243
5 жыл бұрын
I just can't help feeling that the "expected to get doubly blown away" level of expectation these days, when it comes to game graphics... It's so extreme. Talking about games in general these days, games can get some heavy flak for failing to have the "expected" level of colour and light, when they honestly still look pretty good. It's like our expectations to HDR and stuff get top priority and if the game fails a little on it, in comes the rage. Sometimes I think this whole subject gets blown out of proportions. I played RDR2 on a vanilla PS4 on a TV that did not support 4K or HDR for a long time, and I was stunned by the beauty of it. I have since switched to a PS4 Pro and a 4K TV with HDR, but I never thought "man, this game isn't quite pretty enough". Also, all these videos comparing PC, PS4 and XBOX - most of the time, I hardly see the difference. Oh, right, if a big fat arrow points to the difference then maybe yeah, there was an extra light source, or maybe the texture in that wooden wall is a bit sharper, maybe...
@chrisd6736
5 жыл бұрын
Ha I was looking for an excuse to play through this game again. So glad they finally fixed the HDR.
@Havibox21
5 жыл бұрын
Excuse? Played this game twice and going 3. The story and gameplay is fucking amazing.
@Zeegoku1007
5 жыл бұрын
@@Havibox21 Same 😎
@Kat1kafka
5 жыл бұрын
loving and still playing red ded redemption 2 story single player mode.. dead online second job mode has better luck cash grabbing a hobo
@caseywanlass7593
4 жыл бұрын
They haven't fixed it and they won't not as long as there's a Grand Theft Auto around get rid of GTA and maybe somebody will get off their ass and fucking do something
@jlb4685
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine playing this game with checker board rendering... yuck.
@jayjustgames1725
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine a comment section without fanboy trolls like u.
@Zeegoku1007
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine having a premium console that only has 3rd party games to enjoy to.... something you can do much better even on a decent PC. But sucks Gorilla dick on 1st party games 😑🤣
@jlb4685
5 жыл бұрын
Bless all you Sony cockboys you have no clue what 4K truly looks like.
@CasuallyCareening
6 ай бұрын
Hope we'll see an update to this video after the latest patch to the game. I'd particularly like to see what kind of difference HDR10+ makes, though idk how hard that would be to get across in a youtube video. I currently use an LG OLED as a monitor, so no HDR10+. But, I have a Samsung QD-OLED in the living room that does support it, and I'm curious if it's worth lugging the PC in there.
@Keenan_G
5 жыл бұрын
Great video like always. Are you guys going to do an analysis of the new Just Cause 4 patch?
@XDLugia
5 жыл бұрын
I guess not. It doesn't seem like many people still play it.
@DEVILTAZ35
5 жыл бұрын
I can give you a bit of a rundown as i just played Just cause 4 post patch on Xbox one X last night. Overall the game seems to have less pop in but it still has shadow flickering . Especially on guard railings for some reason. Water is still atrocious as well. I really can't see why they keep doing these massive patches but don't fix the elephant in the room which is the terrible water rendering which brings down the entire presentation along with the horrible Anti Aliasing method used which results in too many jaggies still. It's not a horrible looking game aside from that but surely after all these patches a decent AA solution should be present on at least the Xbox one X as far as consoles go. I guess at least it is on Gamepass on Xbox one X but that still means you need to purchase any season pass content if you want it and it is just too expensive for this title to bother.
@bostontowny4life744
5 жыл бұрын
What about the draw distance? The draw distance looks allot worse since my first playthrough!
@rajamb732
5 жыл бұрын
It looks exactly the same mate 😂
@Gonmoreira77
5 жыл бұрын
@@rajamb732 it's not the same. You see a lot more pop in now compared to 1.00
@bigmaseratithetrapgunner6563
5 жыл бұрын
* installs RDR2 again *
@imam3603
5 жыл бұрын
Keep the 1.00 if you want a better lightning
@imam3603
5 жыл бұрын
@ChubbsHere not really friend. I tested it myself and i can assure you that : textures(details on clothes), fog, haze and the overall lightning is still downgraded. It looks nice overall but not like in version 1.00. Btw They turned of the lanterns because of the frame rate drops. You can check the test DF made back then when the game came out.
@Smoos54
5 жыл бұрын
How dare you lie about the graphics fix. The AO is fixed (mostly) but some indoor areas are still missing shadows. Its much better now but not like version 1.00. Yet you dare to state that it's even better than the unpatched version.
@TechWithSean
5 жыл бұрын
SDR still looks best 🤷♂️
@johnwest6977
3 жыл бұрын
Nah
@xNIGHTWOLFx19
3 жыл бұрын
The washed out effects look horrible still SDR is still great.
@mfitz4426
5 жыл бұрын
8 mins in and you've only had one side-by-side, DONT tell me-Show me. been watching your vids since ps2 days and this one confused me SDR/ Cinematic/Game/ HDR? mode. So having SDR(hdr disabled) has the best visuals. Need better labeling
@mattg768
5 жыл бұрын
It's so sad that a company as big as rockstar hasn't implamented a top of the range hdr setting for this game. I don't even play this game in 4k it looks alot better in 1080p and I don't mean graphics I mean the colour saturation, which is a real shame as I have a high end oled TV and the hdr looks terrible even with this patch. And before people whine I play on xbox one x and ps4 pro and I'm not convinced with this hdr patch. Just one man's opinion. Rockstar have the budget this should be a masterpiece in every way which in most cases it is but the hdr.....its bad there is no justification, trying to convince yourself its just bad.
@charlesgiosano7767
5 жыл бұрын
Matt768 HDR is trash in General watch Quantum TV he explains it all
@karmmaguitar
5 жыл бұрын
This game looks so damn gorgeous in Xone X
@kirk-daroostergordon9961
5 жыл бұрын
The checkerboard rendering fake 4K still looks like shit 💩 on the PS4 PRO
@xxMessMonsterxx
3 жыл бұрын
Time stamp for recommending HDR setting 9:50
@chrisfaille4774
2 жыл бұрын
The game/cinematic modes are literally washed out looking. Like a haze is over the screen. You can tell Rockstars vision was the "SDR" because the scenes esp cutscenes you can actually see the color tone intended like the red head wt red freckles on her chest in Game/Cinematic they are brown looking smudges you cant even tell they are meant to be her freckles. Same wt their rose'd up cheeks & lips not even visible in the "update". The snow scenes esp look horrible & washed out. In the opening cutscene you couldn't even barley see the horses unlike the original version when you can. I'm going wt the version Rockstar originally built the game around & what its meant to look like.
@bigkabuto
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have been going back and forth on this today myself and SDR just looks better overall because of proper black levels especially. We DO miss out on really nice sunlight effects on waters and such though. There is one way to play in HDR and also have good black levels which make the night proper dark. On my C9 I just turn the brightness to 45, I was surprised how good daytime still looks with a nighttime properly dark too. If that looks too dark during daytime you can enable DTM. I've been playing for a while now and it's honestly really nice. That being said, SDR remains the brightest picture.
@JiSiN3000
5 жыл бұрын
Nice... DF with EvilBoris 👍
@bliglum
5 жыл бұрын
Disappointed R* could do nothing about that terrible PS4 Pro resolution.. A nice, square 1600p or even 1440p resolution would have been better than that weird, rectangular 2k by 2k approach. Oh well.
@mayhemw.6122
5 жыл бұрын
I thought it was just me. The HDR looked dimmed
@igordelija9185
5 жыл бұрын
After all this time and still everything looked blurry until last night when I accidentally found the setting. Ignore what DF or anyone else says. If you want to get rid of the blurry picture on PS4 1000 and 200 paper white are setting. After that go in your tv setting and turn on on high black enhancement and contrast enhancer. Blurry picture should be gone and you can enjoy the game.
@fabriziocassetta4438
5 жыл бұрын
It really worked,thank you!
@mushroomhead3054
4 жыл бұрын
I did that and it worked, turned my colour up too and it looks decent.✌
@ghostwolfi9538
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Looks better now with HDR on.
@dododog6
5 жыл бұрын
When I turned my hdr back on after the update I seen no difference. The hdr still sucks
@selvmortsydd
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, game still looks better in SDR.
@ronignino
4 жыл бұрын
It's normal... You need to setup correctly or else it looks like shit. But the settings will depend on your TV. After this update HDR is so much better than SDR.
@smiss5769
5 жыл бұрын
Hdr is the biggest shit ever! movies without hdr look much better
@itsTyrion
5 жыл бұрын
In this vid, SDR looks over saturated to me
@prich0382
5 жыл бұрын
Watch on your phone then, well if you have a new ish one
@itsTyrion
5 жыл бұрын
Prich038 I was (iPhone 6s) And my pc monitor is calibrated relatively well
@prich0382
5 жыл бұрын
@@itsTyrion yeah but does it support HDR? No non HDR monitor even calibrated can show HDR footage properly. My phone supports HDR which is why I watched on my phone
@itsTyrion
5 жыл бұрын
Prich038 How does it matter, I was talking about the SDR footage
@kyatsuka
5 жыл бұрын
If you read the description, they say that the SDR image is tonemapped to HDR. So if you watch on SDR display it's tonemapped back to SDR again and you get oversaturated.
@JamanWerSonst
5 жыл бұрын
I just tried it out and still think that the SDR mode looks better. HDR Game Mode still has this grayish haze over everything, probably the 10% raising of the black levels. While I like how the sky and highlights look in HDR, everything else is lacking contrast and overall it looks worse than SDR.
@latchdoorlatch996
5 жыл бұрын
Janice from Accounting I thought it was me seeing things that haze in HDR drives me mad
@schwartzy65
5 жыл бұрын
They should also talk about color banding in almost every game that has hdr
@desertfox738
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the game looks so much better without HDR on, it’s brighter, much more vibrant, and the blacks are deeper. HDR looks washed out with the blacks looking blueish.
@Vincornelis
5 жыл бұрын
Been trying it out on my OLED. Meh. There are definite improvements to the HDR using the game option but still a lot of remaining issues. On the positive side there is actually peak brightness and it’s definitely noticeable. Unfortunately the blacks are fall short of true black and appear gray and the image still lacks the vibrancy of the SDR version. Hello HDR offers 1 billion colours instead of 16 million and the ability at least on an OLED to have black be black. Why are the blacks not black and does the version with more colours have less colour in it. You’re telling me it took Rockstar one of the biggest names in the business 9 months to patch in HDR and only to still fail in the implimentation of two of the three main benefits? Come on...
@Vincornelis
5 жыл бұрын
Sam Lloyd-Gale I know HDR colours can appear dimmer despite there being more colours. HDR is not about just saturating all the colours and making reds even more red. It’s about seeing more shades of red even if they are not as deep. What I mean when I say it lacks vibrancy is that the picture still looks like it has a filter limiting the colour range rather than offering the full pallete with more subtle changes. The deepest part of a deep red should still appear just as red due even if the reds as a whole appear less red due there being more shades of red where the SDR is forced to use the deep red for a bigger portion of the reds.
@TrevorEditor
5 жыл бұрын
Shame they couldn't fix the checkerboard rendering. You'd think with a game like this and a studio like this, their implementation would be some of the best out there.
@michealpatt7584
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think the matter is they "can't" do it , i mean they pulled off native 4k on OneX with solid 30fps , the issue could be that the Pro couldn't give a stable performance with full checkerboard
@TheRedFoxMcCloud
5 жыл бұрын
ps4 pro is too weak lol
@leeboy2k1
5 жыл бұрын
At 4.2 TFLOP, that puts Ps4pro below a RX570 in performance, as the other dude said, any other implementation would also add atifacts, or drop frames.
@SpontaneousWeasel
5 жыл бұрын
Given the strong sony '4k hdr' marketing on the ps4 pro, Its a real shame R* have done this. Nice the hdr is 'fixed' now I wish they would just allow for a drop in overall pixel density and give us the option of the additional horizontal resolution @ 2160x1440p
@antoinemilien6864
5 жыл бұрын
Still in the midst of watching the video, but I have learned so much about technological and visual fidelity and concepts from another amazing Digital Foundry video. Even without an HDR television, it is fascinating seeing how Rockstar has managed to address their approach to HDR with current gaming consoles and their limitations. The ambient occlusion effect looks far better on the patch 1.09 version than the original game release.
@ash735
5 жыл бұрын
HDR isn't much of a console "limitation", it's how it's done, which takes time, which is why some developers can pull off GREAT results and others just do basic stuff. As long as the hardware supports HDR metadata then that's the only real requirement.
@antoinemilien6864
5 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the different technologies a factor into how HDR was done on the Xbox One X version vs the PS4 Pro version? A lot of people were discussing how the effects were arguably better on the Xbox One version compared to the PS4 version. If that isn't the case, how come Rockstar made the effect different on the two competing consoles?
@spookylemon4947
5 жыл бұрын
Antoine Milien The HDR isn’t different. It’s exactly the same on all consoles that have HDR. As HDR doesn’t use more horse power to run. The difference between the consoles is when they talk about the resolution of the game. The Xbox One runs at under 900p, the PS4 runs at 1080p, the Xbox One X runs at Native 4K (2160p) while the PS4 Pro only runs at upscaled 4K, which doesn’t look as good.
@antoinemilien6864
5 жыл бұрын
@@spookylemon4947 Didn't know it was more focused on the resolution. I learned something new.
@spookylemon4947
5 жыл бұрын
Antoine Milien It’s cool. It’s all a bit jarring when you first learn about it. I didn’t have a clue what I was doing when I first bought my 4K TV.
@Darkspexter
5 жыл бұрын
12:02 If I had seen this in 2007 when Crysis first came out, I'd be shocked, I'd think it's a real life image not a game.
@nemesis5586
5 жыл бұрын
It’s seems like everyone wants to believe that HDR in rdr2 doing his job while SDR still look better you can not argue about it
@djbpresents9584
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry u dont have a hdr tv
@TDamsma
4 жыл бұрын
That's the fact, how much RS* tries to implement HDR into the game, the problem lies in that the game has been created on a SDR basis, so the game can never be true HDR, just simulated HDR. Unlike Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, uncharted 4 etc. I have a pretty capable HDR TV (Samsung Q6FN) and I use SDR with this game, because HDR is just not good with this game, it's dim, unsaturated, and really hard to get the game at a correct black level. Therfore I suggest, leave it in SDR and be done with it, you will thank me later.
@TDamsma
4 жыл бұрын
@Elijah Israel You can disagree all you want, but the fact remains that the game was not made with HDR in mind. Vincent from HDTV test has proven this. The HDR in RDR2 is a SDR basis with a fake HDR container.
@GLIDGaming
5 жыл бұрын
Can’t play a console game at 30fps will make your eyes bleed wait for a pc release !
@Theyassinovic92
5 жыл бұрын
The thing that you are missing between 1.00 and even 1.09, they turned off a lot of lights at night in cities like Saint-Denis and Valentine. I did a comparaison with my friend who is running at 1.00, and there is a big difference at night.
@socratese5
5 жыл бұрын
Theyassinovic92 yeah I saw that too, it seems like they just want to say it looks better now and move on.
@onymaru8658
5 жыл бұрын
Rockstar is such a big company i cant believe they fucked up the resolution on the ps4. Till this day the graphics are blurry as fuck. I have both xbox one x and ps4 pro and the difference when you have it in front of you are insane. I cant believe they havent fix this and the HDR as well.
@TheGwenpool
5 жыл бұрын
If only I could play online without losing connection every 5 minutes
@Aliceeyes
5 жыл бұрын
same crashes like every 5 mins unplayable at this point surprised i dont see more people talkin about it
@Nero_PR
5 жыл бұрын
@@Aliceeyes Because people give Rockstar a free pass for delivering an almost flawless campaign and forget the shit microtransaction fest that is the online with shit gameplay and auto aim enabled servers.
@glogan4078
2 жыл бұрын
No blacks. Reduce brightness and gamma. Looks awful.
@JJSideshowBob
5 жыл бұрын
Here I am with my 1080p non-HDR TV in 2019 missing out on the good stuff. Dang.
@DonNerdleone
5 жыл бұрын
If it's any consolation, I usually prefer the colors and uniformity of my 1080p Plasma over my 4K. For current gen, at least. I don't have an OLED, though.
@acomatosemob
5 жыл бұрын
HDR looks great on every one of my X enhanced games except for RDR2, even after this new update, it's *slightly* better but still has a washed out look when I've switched it between both "cinema" & "game" HDR settings.
@godgotme6119
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe you calibrated it wrong.. you should tweak it til it looks best to you I guess!
@boijorzee
5 жыл бұрын
THE RIMS OF THE BARRELS HAVE BETTER SHADOWS NOW!!! Truly a great day for humanity...
@ionseven
5 жыл бұрын
Dont belittle something like that. This is no small task. Devs working hard to bring the smallest of details like that supplement the whole artistically - and more escapism that these games target and represent. Theres always fortnite if you dont care about artistic details.
@dudeimtellingthetruth
5 жыл бұрын
especially WHEN CHARACTER IS FUCKING SOAPED on the same footage
@mazzalean077
5 жыл бұрын
So no downgrade then
@greenlightgaming4242
5 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video
@YgorCortes
4 жыл бұрын
The SDR mode looks oversaturated and even cartoonish. Game mode HDR is definitely the best one!
@adamantium1195
5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. But you didnt mentioned the lighting. Its still downgraded example in Valentine General Store compared to the 1.00 patch. Here is the video between 1.00 and 1.09 patch. /watch?v=-4ZQoxVUWME
@arbaazmemon8058
5 жыл бұрын
Nope the lighting and ambient occlusion got improved , R* official said that
@Jambobist
5 жыл бұрын
They talked about the lighting, pointing out that the supposed downgrade was due to different lighting conditions and not some nebulous Rockstar conspiracy to make their own game look worse. Stop believing click-bait bullshit from people that have no idea what they're talking about.
@adamantium1195
5 жыл бұрын
Arbaz Memom Where they said? I saw nothing like that.
@adamantium1195
5 жыл бұрын
Jam Dev. You moron you not even watch the video, its at night. There u can see the lighting is different. So stupid you are.
@djbpresents9584
5 жыл бұрын
Looks way better on pro now
@Godzillagroom
5 жыл бұрын
RDR2 has the Worst HDR in gaming history
@DaPunkNdFunk
5 жыл бұрын
Wait, raising colour saturation on my display may solve the lack of saturation in "game HDR"? It still sounds weird to me, I prefer to have the original authentic colours of the game and play in SDR.
@americafuckyeah4520
5 жыл бұрын
I just want them to fix the PS4 Pro resolution, it's blurry
@akumajin2491
5 жыл бұрын
Same
@Ultecpo
5 жыл бұрын
ps4 pro cant handle it like xbox x 😉
@carlosmartinez3020
5 жыл бұрын
They won't be able to since it is lacking power to do that, fortunately this is why the next Xbox needs to have more power
@theunbearablejuan
5 жыл бұрын
Just 1440p would be better.
@americafuckyeah4520
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ultecpo wrong, there are plenty of pro supported games that look crisp with checkerboard resolution, so it has to do with Rockstars implementation of it rather than the Pro's power. Stop fanboying. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
@Typon
3 жыл бұрын
colours > contrast HDR is a meme for games (yet)
@lerikow7
5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Morgan? HMMMMMMMMM
@SpontaneousWeasel
5 жыл бұрын
Given the strong sony '4k hdr' marketing on the ps4 pro, Its a real shame R* have done this. Nice the hdr is 'fixed' now I wish they would just allow for a drop in overall pixel density and give us the option of the additional horizontal resolution @ 2160x1440p
@ansem383
5 жыл бұрын
Lol PS4 pro is not 4K It’s basically the ultimate 1440 machine
@zlatkomiskovic7715
5 жыл бұрын
To mutch Halo rings when HDR is turned on. It annoys me more then how realisticly the colors look.
@NoFaceCobain
5 жыл бұрын
You must have a shit tier TV because I see no halo rings anywhere I look
@jongamez5163
5 жыл бұрын
Rockstar really needs to fix the Checkerboarding on PS4 Pro 😤 It's a shame that the game still look blurry several months after its release!! Horizon Zero Dawn has definitely the best Checkerboarding + HDR there's no comparison!! The game is great tho, but I sometimes hate the controls to aim, etc. GTA V aiming was much better too..
@austin4700
5 жыл бұрын
Glad i got it on xbox
@louniis
5 жыл бұрын
I finished the game 2 weeks ago and i visited every location available in the game and trust me this is the best looking game ever made so far 💯💯 i doesn't matter if the hdr disable ir not it will blow your mind your mind 🤩💯
@H.E.M.
5 жыл бұрын
2 weeks ago? Took you that long?
@louniis
5 жыл бұрын
@@H.E.M. i always wait for sell and it not easy to 100% completion in red dead redemption 2
@ekopermana7150
5 жыл бұрын
@@H.E.M. maybe he finished the game even more than 100%. There is many thing that didn't counted as 100% completion, such as find every interest points, study + kill + skin every animals, catch every fish with recommended bait, and more
@ekopermana7150
5 жыл бұрын
@@louniis great, took 5 months to finished the game a 100% and more
@gavinderulo12
5 жыл бұрын
@jvalex18 I absolutely disagree. I own a pc, a ps4 and a One X. There is no game that looks as good as this game on the One X. Especially not on pc. The only games that are arguably on a similar level are God Of War and Uncharted 4 (both not on pc).
@Mouritogaia
5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic game
@MrZabersuv
5 жыл бұрын
This game is still blowing people's minds with its craftsmanship
@josephaziz4971
5 жыл бұрын
Until you actually play it
@ijustwantmyphonecall6947
5 жыл бұрын
@@josephaziz4971 what's that supposed to mean
@gamerro25
5 жыл бұрын
I finished the game in the month it got released on the xbox one X with a 4k led 55inch. I think i will play it again with the proper HDR and all the patches on my new 65 LG oled. Cant wait to check it out again 👀👍🏻
@lordmatro
5 жыл бұрын
What they did with HDR and additional ambiant occlusion effects is amazing, Rockstar did a really good job. I even have to give them a small credit on the checkerboard rendering effect since they improved it and the game look clearer and I'm able to see more details. Take this shot for exemple where you see a closeup of the protagonist at 16:44 I'm able to see more individual hairs on his head and on his fur coat, I'm also able to see more detail of the fabric on his winter coat and on his lether strap. Sadly, the stair stepping effect is still here, but the game is a bit clearer in the end.
@namename-tr8il
2 жыл бұрын
damn dude you must be single
@lordmatro
2 жыл бұрын
@@namename-tr8il Do you think this is going to get you somewhere to bash on peoples like this? I'm not affected by your insult, but seriously, change your attitude, your life will get better, if you decide to do it. You should really consider following this advice, you'll have a much better life once you stop being so negative.
@lilpain1997
2 жыл бұрын
@@lordmatro very old but these people who are commenting stuff like this are just projecting on to you. The guys probably single, no job, living with mum and depressed af but tries to hide it, so he tries to make others feel as he does. Its also weird to think how old your original comment is
@stellarhyme3
5 жыл бұрын
I wished the gameplay actually matched the graphics in this game, if it had I would never leave the world. Unfortunately for me I found the gameplay to be less fun than the original, the pacing of the game was off as well and the mission structure within the game was way too linear. When you make a physics engine like this you need to leave everything open gameplay wise and let the player use the physics in the game to solve problems and accomplish missions in anyway they see fit. Kinda like how things were in GTA3 and in Zelda Breath of the Wild. As Rockstar has focused on story their games have become increasingly more linear and a lot less fun to play. They seem to save all the opened ended gameplay for Online these days. Single player is just a controlled test run of sorts.
@MasterValtr
5 жыл бұрын
This Game is Simply revolutionary
@WH250398
5 жыл бұрын
In terms of detail yes. Gameplay though? Eh...
@MasterValtr
5 жыл бұрын
@@WH250398 Still Revolutionary Right? Not every Game most be Revolutionary in everything to be called Revolutionary The Game have done things better Than any Game tried to did..The hunting..The interaction..The dangerous design choice "slow paced Game" and horse Raiding is Better Than RDR Which Was The Best This Game proves That Open World Games don't need to be RPG Game With Fantasy World to be a Great Open world..The Game Have a storng explanation element..there's a lot of interesting secrets and things to discover
@MasterValtr
5 жыл бұрын
@@WH250398 Also The Physics and The animation is so unbelievable it's better Than 99.99% Games
@painschamp1737
5 жыл бұрын
*boring
@grant8928
5 жыл бұрын
Who even has an HDR tv? Not me
@FreeAimDog
5 жыл бұрын
paper white to 140 gives it a realistic look
@taylorelliotj
5 жыл бұрын
Should the peak brightness be set to that of your monitor/TV? I am using a monitor that had a peak brightness of around 600 nits (below HDR 1000, so not true HDR I know). But I experimented with the settings and it looks best when the peak brightness is set to 1500 nits...
@Dreadpirateflappy
5 жыл бұрын
99% of HDR TVs don't get to 1000 (even some of the very expensive ones), most Oleds don't go above 500.
@nick13b
5 жыл бұрын
14:01 why is the horse on the "patched" red?
@rajamb732
5 жыл бұрын
It's over saturated
@DinaricUbermensch
4 жыл бұрын
@@rajamb732 no its a different horse because the brown one died
@asgart16
5 жыл бұрын
I can just watch it on 1080p60HDR, there's no 4K-HDR option?! Is it because of KZitem still decoding the video?
@mgiebus1869
5 жыл бұрын
I still prefer version 1.00 those graphics got too muddy with the patches even with HDR. Also how many digital foundry employees does it take to screw in a damn lightbulb?
@boussIRL
5 жыл бұрын
Here's hoping KZitem allows for 60fps on resolutions below 720p for all videos, cus that would be a god-send given my slower wifi not being able to handle 720p60, but it can handle 480p60.
@princedizzy3506
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid DF, absolutely amazing game, great to see the devs focused on Console.
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