*Important Note!* Much confusion in the comments regarding "brake-by-wire." The system shown is absolutely "brake-by-wire." Lots of comments suggesting this is electrically assisted brakes, or something other than brake-by-wire, which are inaccurate claims. I asked Brembo about the system, and here was their response: "In normal use, the pedal is engaging a master cylinder, but the system runs in “open loop” so the master cylinder doesn’t generate any pressure. Normally the system takes pedal travel data and outputs a pressure using the electric pump based on the calibration done by GM and Bosch. In the unlikely event of a failure in the electrical hydraulic pump, or the entire vehicle electrical system, the master cylinder then becomes the operational fail safe to generate pressure and make braking still possible." In other words, this is a brake-by-wire system, with a hydraulic failsafe in the unlikely event of electronic failure.
@nthgth
4 жыл бұрын
Why not use the by-wire part as the failsafe then? And how is the brake feel and response? When the industry went to electric steering, for a while that also meant no more steering feel (and still does for some companies).
@nthgth
4 жыл бұрын
@@noidontthinksolol oh I know, I have one of those myself 🙂 The industry definitely figured it out eventually. Except maybe BMW, not sure what the latest on that
@nthgth
4 жыл бұрын
@@noidontthinksolol it's not really funny, that's the perfect car for that - if you don't care about power. At the time I had a V-6 Solara, which also had 200 hp and felt pretty punchy. The GT86 feels SO. SLOW. by comparison. It needs at least two more cylinders.
@rickdavis7141
4 жыл бұрын
Its hard to design a car now days that doesn't somehow look like another car in some way. But to me GM tried to make it look as beuatiful as a ferrari laFerrari. Failed at it.
@Finn-McCool
4 жыл бұрын
@@rickdavis7141 in your opinion, they tried and failed. I wonder what happened in THEIR opinion.... Oh wait, I'm sure they think they NAILED it. And in my opinion they could give zero fux about Ferrari or your opinion.
@eddiegardner8232
4 жыл бұрын
As a retired engineer, I love seeing someone who knows what they are talking about explaining these engineering details to people. Jason, you are easy to understand and doing a great job in all you videos. Thumbs up to Chevrolet for helping you out in doing this; the C8 is the Corvette we always knew the Chevy engineers could produce if management just let them do their best.
4 жыл бұрын
Credit to the GM Corvette design and development engineers on a job very well done.
@wpgspecb
4 жыл бұрын
The miata video started off pretty poorly with him saying he wasn't going to point fingers. Then went on to point fingers at everything (including himself) when it was clear from 30 seconds in that it was a tuning issue.
@jmckey
4 жыл бұрын
You have arrived. Corvette loaned you their cutaway car DESIGNED for explaining the engineering. Drop. Your. Mic.
@cuteshadow
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe he got a 2nd Presscar and just cut it? :o
@jeremyspecce
4 жыл бұрын
Truly awesome that companies are recognizing that giving him access to all this insider stuff and press cars and such is good for them.
@jacobsmith7285
4 жыл бұрын
Biggest flex on a car channel so far, most guys can't even get their C8 delivered!
@dadsgarage420
4 жыл бұрын
DROP THE MIC!! Lmaooo
@gsnedders_legacy
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm… wow. You've come a long way, Jason! Though to be fair, I guess it's the sort of thing few people ask for, and I bet it's mostly just sitting around in a warehouse.
@TheDrAkira
4 жыл бұрын
It's amazing what Jason achieve all this years. He truly become one of the best auto-shows in YT. Just a shy very nerdy engineer guy that shows us that a car is more than just how expensive it is and how good it looks. Fantastic work! And he learned how to be informative and funny at the same time hahhha!
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the kind words!
@tkhcheng
4 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringExplained All the whiteboards! Moar whiteboards!
@christophejergales7852
4 жыл бұрын
He's not shy.
@slingbart705
4 жыл бұрын
@@tkhcheng T-Shirt idea.. MO WHITEBOARDS BABEH!!
@Klockorino
4 жыл бұрын
“To show you the engineering of Chevrolet, I sawed this Corvette in half!”
@oateater5044
4 жыл бұрын
That's alot of damage.
@generation-x406
4 жыл бұрын
Some Flex Glue should fix ya right up and have it back on the lake in no time thanks to under steer and limited braking...
@standupyak
4 жыл бұрын
Phil swift
@installshieldwizard3017
4 жыл бұрын
Comment of culture
@mckayolson2569
4 жыл бұрын
“Well, my weaknesses are actually my strengths” - Michael Scott and corvette
@FOX11GUY
4 жыл бұрын
He explained how and why the weaknesses are apparent. Nothing about strengths.
@matthewbanta3240
4 жыл бұрын
I thought the cutaway Corvette is what they sent you when you tell them that you want a new Corvette but you only have $25k to spend on it.
@ulicesalcantar1274
4 жыл бұрын
I would buy it and have an awesome go cart
@dennispope8160
4 жыл бұрын
That cutaway probably cost them 4x the price to make them a new corvette.
@ryanroberts1104
4 жыл бұрын
@@dennispope8160 Yeah, there's definitely an up charge for that! They probably took a full car, and then paid somebody to strip/cut it by hand...and threw away all the extra stuff.
@anhiirr
4 жыл бұрын
ikr........just waiting for the eventual 32v engine......i dont need me a direct injection placeholder.....when we were told 32v overhead cam vette only engine......OFF top prior to 2 years past...new chassis is nice.....but if we teh fans arent given a vette only powertrain option it really makes a new new model a bit lackluster........kind of like the direct injection engine and the stingray.....or the fuelie in 63 etc. I expected somthing "special" ngl instead theyre doing a jump tho the race homology production bc of a "why not" if we can produce might as well sell while devloping the i can already imagine "recalled" 32v LT5, when original LT5 was an engine.........who knew how to work on it........63 fuelie.......same fate......oh america if only your attention to detail was akin to japan or germany...its pretty obvious GM is going to FLOAT the "stat sheets" so that the aftermarket can keep that eventual 32v dumpster fire a float as they implement said "aftermarket" into the eventual revisions.....KEK. BC its when the non LIFETIME GM fans will jump into the "fray".......to modulate their c8s.....and boast forged internals on their.......high comp 32v.....that isnt really blueprinted for Forced induction. LOL.....
@Cobreezyy06
4 жыл бұрын
matthew banta when I said that they just laughed...
@RusnakAutoDesign
4 жыл бұрын
The cutaway looks like Rob Dahm's C8 when he bought it.
@RCGrid
4 жыл бұрын
Of course the cutaway car looks like one of Dahm’s
@oldanslo
4 жыл бұрын
Leroy II. Hell yeah, brother.
@LeonardoBruno54
4 жыл бұрын
I saw the thumbnail and thought it was one of Rob's videos at first
@THESLlCK
4 жыл бұрын
Dahms car is gonna look like that for a long time considering who owns it.
@m8onethousand
4 жыл бұрын
I just finished watching Rob's lastest video on the C8 and genuinely thought this was a Rob video that I missed for a sec there.
@stevej6824
4 жыл бұрын
So what you’re saying is is that the engineers working for GM are smarter than the average person buying the car.
@williamking8684
4 жыл бұрын
well the average corvette owner cant setup an email account without help so...
@SelectCircle
4 жыл бұрын
I'd certainly hope so. Let them run government next!
@FOH3663
4 жыл бұрын
@@williamking8684 ... that shit's high-fffin-larrious!
@zaknefain100
4 жыл бұрын
According to most people... we're a bunch of idiots but every once in a while we actually get some things right.
@mikec538
4 жыл бұрын
@@williamking8684 what's an email lol?!
@briansmobile1
4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome Chevrolet put that in your garage! Great video man!
@desperadolighfoot8534
4 жыл бұрын
It's not just you: he's got the talent to bring it down to earth, make it simple and digestible. Like always, I've learned something watching you. Thank you:)
@33Skygazer
4 жыл бұрын
Jason, you know you've hit the big time when you can email Chevy directly and they do what you asked. Big props, man :)
@stewarth8390
4 жыл бұрын
That’s the problem with a lot of journo’s, they say “oh it understeers”.... Of course it does, 99% of cars come from the factory set up to understeer because it’s safer joe blow and the general public! 🤦♂️ Top video and you know you’ve made it when GM asks for your address to deliver cutaway C8 👌
@joesterling4299
4 жыл бұрын
@crabseed Going around a corner sedately on an unexpectedly slick road will push a car past *its* adhesion limit. Slight understeer is important even for grandma on her way to church.
@hydrophaintconcepts4675
3 жыл бұрын
The brake booster design is to get away from a vacuum hose going from the rear mounted engine to the front of the vehicle where the brake booster system would be. F1 cars actually don’t even have a brake booster for safety and rule considerations. Brake fluid boiling would be caused by low temp brake fluid not meant for racing or water contamination. The vehicle is going to natural understeer if the weight of the vehicle is more towards the rear, causing the front tires to lose traction under hard acceleration in a corner. Brake by wire is a marketing gimmick for an electronic brake booster. No booster is going to save you from exceeding the limits of your braking system or poor maintenance.
@clinth8284
4 жыл бұрын
EE: How do I fit this on a whiteboard.... Chevrolet: Solved that for you.
@hvymtal8566
3 жыл бұрын
Pushrod engines are great. Simple, compact, inexpensive, and with the right valvetrain you can still rev them pretty high. Since it is old tech, you also have loads of modification options, as well, and with only the one camshaft it's much less expensive to go from a street-oriented setup to something more racey. And of course you have all of those options for pretty valve covers! Cammers are great, but for performance achievable for mere mortals, pushrods are here to stay
@MrCytree
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about cars or even really care, yet somehow every week I watch your videos, enjoy them immensely, and learn something. This is odd because I have no foundation in engines or cars but you explain everything so well and are so engaging that I am learning anyway. Thanks for the great content.
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
Very happy to hear it, reaching an audience outside of enthusiasts is very difficult to do - thanks for watching!
@squidusn71
4 жыл бұрын
Im curious to know what you drive and how you go about maintaining your vehicle.
@ScytheNoire
4 жыл бұрын
The C8 makes me want to have a mid-life crisis. My bank account said no.
@ElroyMcDuff
4 жыл бұрын
No worries, there is another option - MX-5. =D
@DeathByLego
4 жыл бұрын
I had a crisis. I’m only 20 and I could only afford a 74 C3
@AtZero138
4 жыл бұрын
@@DeathByLego .. I'm stoked for ya, do you have to smog it still? Cause if you don't... the car will always be a sleeper.. if any Vette can be a sleeper, a 74 Can.. peace
@mikef-gi2dg
4 жыл бұрын
dam mine says the same thing....
@ksaechao97
4 жыл бұрын
I think that's most of us, lol!
@richardjenkinson1851
4 жыл бұрын
Did I miss something, or was there NO WHITEBOARD in this video? How are we supposed to learn anything? Standards are slipping, Jason!
@juliantaffa4089
4 жыл бұрын
Surely a cutaway C8 Corvette counts as a whiteboard? Just kidding, nothing can ever beat the Holy Whiteboard
@richardjenkinson1851
4 жыл бұрын
@@juliantaffa4089 Imagine the faces at GM if he'd sent it back with permanent marker diagrams all over it...
@laynemccormic9102
4 жыл бұрын
Disagree
@dil6969
4 жыл бұрын
That chassis is a work of art. I see no way Chevrolet isn't losing money on these cars, especially when you factor in the YEARS of rigorous R&D this platform went through. It's hard to believe this came from the same company that makes the Chevy Trax.
@viperford6840
Жыл бұрын
It's a diffrent sector of the company
@ChevyDude
4 жыл бұрын
Great info! I have almost 10k miles on my C8 and i think you hit many valid points.
@jonthecomposer
4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the famous quote by Mario Andretti: "It is amazing how may drivers, even at the Formula One Level, think that the brakes are for slowing the car down." Brakes can do so much more. They mitigate traction and change weight distribution beyond simply slowing the car's speed. . And for a very simple example of how they can make a car faster, just think of it like this. Let's say you have two identical cars, one with powerful brakes, and the other with anemic brakes. If you're on a straight side-by-side coming into a turn, the car with better brakes can brake LATER and decelerate FASTER resulting in the same entry angle and speed into the turn, but getting there FASTER than the car with worse brakes. For the majority of people who have never seriously tried to learn about racing, this is not intuitive at all. . It's the same with the C8's understeer. It's only slight understeer to begin with. And normally, with certain driving techniques, you can mitigate understeer anyway through use of timed braking and acceleration. However, Chevy already put in the adjustability (as you said) that can push that understeer into neutral / oversteer range. So really, the understeer isn't even a bug. It's a feature... and one that can be disabled!!!
@peterruiz6117
4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding take on the "problem"...That's not a problem.
@94XJ
4 жыл бұрын
Plus understeer is generally safer for most drivers. Oversteer causes panic and improper reactions with people over correcting, etc. Hell, here in the Michigan winters I watch people do nothing as they're understeering and at most they'll slide into a curb or overshoot a turn. Now when the ass end kicks out, people panic, spin out, overcorrect and have the vehicle snap in the other direction, etc. Especially having a rearward weight bias where the mass of the engine will carry the tail out wider, a little understeer is a good thing. Anyone that's driven a classic Porsche hard has felt an extreme example of this.
@douglasburnside
4 жыл бұрын
@@94XJ I lived in Alaska for many years, and for a while owned and drove a 1976 Porsche 930 Turbo (not so affectionately known as the "widowmaker")... *on ice and snow.* You've never experienced real oversteer until you've tried that!
@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342
4 жыл бұрын
Most of the people complaining about understeer are car journalists, most of whom aren't great drivers.
@adityadiesel7668
4 жыл бұрын
The understeer is a feature. You can disable it with some settings. Yes
@glagola1
4 жыл бұрын
After years of tuning my highly modified Lotus Elise for Autox duty, I've found that a little bit of understeer is necessary if you're looking to turn the fastest times. Reason: getting on the gas as early as possible on corner exit is how you reduce lap times. A touch of manageable understeer is well worth early throttle application. This bias also allows for deeper trail braking. Combined, these create longer straights on any course. IME, YMMV, yada yada
@MrMotorNerd
4 жыл бұрын
Its safer in the wet . Neutral Handling is impossible in all conditions
@terrabnadia1793
4 жыл бұрын
Lotus lol
@oberuser123
4 жыл бұрын
3:08 90ft = ~27m 97ft = ~29m
@ButchNackley
4 жыл бұрын
Old saying; Understeer gets you around the track slightly slower. Oversteer gets you off the track much quicker.
@ZedTee77
4 жыл бұрын
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front end, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear end, horsepower is how hard u hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you. 🤪
@installshieldwizard3017
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZedTee77 the last one is fundamentally wrong btw
@ojask9916
3 жыл бұрын
@@installshieldwizard3017 u must be fun at parties
@installshieldwizard3017
3 жыл бұрын
@@ojask9916 no, people think i'm utterly boring just for having criticized that guy once who had a brain fart and some other dude not liking it
@breakerjohnson5481
3 жыл бұрын
Oversteer is lots of fun and looks impressive , learn how to drive
@nakoma5
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if GM put a fraction of this effort into their mainstream cars.
@rockcrawler3119
4 жыл бұрын
True, but all that tech will eventually waterfall down to the lower models.
@garylund3344
4 жыл бұрын
They do put a "fraction" in
@وليد-ع6ظ
4 жыл бұрын
Gary Lund yeah just not a big enough fraction lmao that’s why they suck
@squidusn71
4 жыл бұрын
Cost cutting???
@nakoma5
4 жыл бұрын
@@rockcrawler3119 It's not the tech but the attention to detail and quality I mean.
@BurntMushroom
4 жыл бұрын
5:48 So designing the C8 to understeer is to Anti Mustang.
@alexclark6777
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what went through my head when I heard him talk about it. I was thinking how many other cars have that level of horsepower/torque for that money, and the Mustang sprang to mind. And then Cars&Coffee sprang to mind. And then a bit of understeer made sense.
@bobkilla430
4 жыл бұрын
And anti c6/c7 zo6
@buckysti
4 жыл бұрын
You could just say anti C7 ;)
@absboodoo
4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter if the driver have no clue what he is doing. Just going to end up hitting the pedestrians on the opposite side. Lol
@OxBlitzkriegxO
4 жыл бұрын
no, the mustang understeers too, perhaps even more so than the corvette. what your bad joke is referring to is throttle oversteer with traction control turned off (or non-existent). and rwd car can do that.
@blamb42
4 жыл бұрын
OK, so Michelin makes a really good all season tire but if I can afford a new Corvette I can also afford a junker to drive in the winter. I can't imagine taking a new Corvette out in the snow.
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, I'm with ya, but obviously the test engineers have to put it through everything.
@ttank94
4 жыл бұрын
Not just snow. Summer only tires are only recommended in for temps of 40+ degrees F. Take a summer tire out in the rain at 35 degrees and see how they respond. Yes most people would have another car if they can afford a performance car. But having options to drive the vette that wont try to kill you when you get caught in non ideal conditions is definitely a plus if you buy a car to drive and not to impress your neighbors.
@zacht9447
4 жыл бұрын
I Can and it sounds like a lot of fun
@deanrhodenizer938
4 жыл бұрын
This is helpful if you get taken by surprise with an early and unexpected snowfall. At least you have the option to return home.
@HappyDude1
4 жыл бұрын
@@ttank94 I tryed my michelin 4s in the rain with a bit of snow at 1 degree C And i had a lot of grip almost no slip at all with rear wheel drive Sow i drive with them all year long
@jeffk412
4 жыл бұрын
Great Job! Again! Would love for you to do an episode on the chassis using that cut-away model, I was salivating looking at all the aluminum extrusions, castings, sheetmetal, etc. Would love to understand how and why the engineering team made the decisions it did. From the short glimpses, it looks super stout and the triangulation for holding the suspension hard points looks so robust! And the castings! PLEASE do a review on the chassis?!
@replynotificationsdisabled
4 жыл бұрын
Aluminium* it's only aluminum foil
@Taylordrifts
4 жыл бұрын
That's so cool that the stingray comes with a dry sump setup. Is it a wet/dry like the C6 Z06 where it has a wet sump with pickup and just uses a scavange pump to cycle oil through the tank? Or is it a proper dry sump with the dry sump pump feeding pressure or atleast directly feeding the oil pump port?
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
I believe the latter, there are three scavenge pumps through the engine in spots that collect oil, all sent to the oil reserve (and through the filter) and then pumped through the engine.
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
They have had them since the C6. My 2011 Grand Sport had the dry sump system.
@manstersr
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not an expert on dry sump systems but I'm thinking the scavenge pump pulling oil out of the engine and into a tank where a supply pump can pull from is the desired system because you can design the tank to eliminate the possibility of air getting into the supply pump pickup. Isn't that the main reason of a dry sump system when talking about engine longevity and reducing wear on crank and rod bearings as well as all the other oil fed lubrication needs? I would think if the scavenge pump supplied oil directly to the pressure feed pump it could send air to it and in turn to the crankshaft, not good. I know there are other benefits for performance to keeping oil out of the engine block but preventing air from getting into the oil supply under heavy cornering, braking or acceleration would be the main reason for the system. Nice video and I have to say that I love the way you explain things for anyone to understand, the only thing I missed is the chalkboard. LOL.
@nodo7575
3 жыл бұрын
99% of performance car drivers don't actually need dry sump.
@gdeangelkick
3 жыл бұрын
Some of the early anecdotal online accounts of owners who have had early failures make me suspect that GM's system of scavenger pumps, in certain situations, malfunctions (i.e., programmed to defy laws of physics) and thereby cause catastrophic engine failure.
@finnmccool684
4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari: "LOL, Corvetta!" Chevy: "Hold my Sam Adams."
@edjackson4389
4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari should have a law suit against Chevy for that body shape.
@finnmccool684
4 жыл бұрын
@Dave Pawson LOL!!!
@turblown
4 жыл бұрын
Whiteboard M.I.A. Hmmm yeah that happened So excited it has been forgotten...RIP
@finnmccool684
4 жыл бұрын
@@mattm2507 Yes, that and the ZR1 are going to be crazy.
@rickdavis7141
4 жыл бұрын
@@mattm2507 Please dont insult McLaren LOL
@ColeSpolaric
4 жыл бұрын
Kudos to GM for loaning out the cutaway car!
@kavinskysmith4094
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah dont tell anyone, but what happened is they left a car in new york for a day, and they found it like this latter and just decided to roll with it lol
@5tarstriker78.
4 жыл бұрын
“If it’s not stopping you’re not stopping” 😂 That made my day
@MrCapi55
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly Pure USA Engineering suited to Real Life Drivers! Cheers To GM! Thank You so much, Jason.
@OMG-yw4fl
4 жыл бұрын
The longevity/reliability/durability of GM's LS/LT engines is arguably top of class. Very common to last hundreds of thousands of miles. See the 770k mile C5 turned into the National Corvette Museum as just one example (and many more on CorvetteForum have reported super high miles).
@Kabab
4 жыл бұрын
That was the best advertisment for any car I think I've ever seen. I hope they paid you very well for that. Nobody else I know could have generated the trust in chevy that you've conveyed.
@kelvinwolf225
4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I found you down in a non fpv comment section, lol. Would love to see a C8 on your channel
@jamesrichardson559
4 жыл бұрын
I still don't trust GM
@abominati0n981
4 жыл бұрын
You need to do like 20 more videos with the C8, I can't get enough of this car and I love your insight!
@caseysgarage5991
4 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that it uses a push rod engine
@drunkenhobo8020
4 жыл бұрын
Rumor has it that the C9 will be powered by a wood-burning stove.
@mikef-gi2dg
4 жыл бұрын
simple, effective, and I can repair and modify it if I choose to. Chevy power!
@caseysgarage5991
4 жыл бұрын
@@drunkenhobo8020 seriously dude? That's way too advanced technology
@74360CUDA
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah right, who doesn't love working on phased camshafts and four timing chains at the same time
@acebrockton1828
4 жыл бұрын
@@drunkenhobo8020 that's been confirmed.
@bermuge1
4 жыл бұрын
How hard was it not say you were "showing off some quirks and features" of the car?
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
I ain't here to steal tag-lines!
@Trialnerror
4 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringExplained Especially from that dope LMAO.
@pihermoso11
4 жыл бұрын
THIS is the corvette c8 cutaway....
@mathieuclement8011
4 жыл бұрын
One of these two YT knows what they’re talking about
@samo4648
4 жыл бұрын
@@mathieuclement8011 I don't know, engineering explained seems pretty smart too
@robertsomerville320
4 жыл бұрын
Love this channel man ! I love how you did myth busting for all those people that paid way to much for European mid-engine super cars. Keep on being brilliant!
@brettjohnson6807
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent way to explain that sometimes engineers do things for logical reasons. Sometimes your "common sense" way of thinking you inherited from your grandpa doesn't explain everything. Also sometimes we don't fully understand the reasons behind things. I still can't believe you got Chevy to loan you the cutaway C8, Keep up the great work!
@fast.biking_freddy
4 жыл бұрын
So this is like an Anti- Dodge viper, an electronically controlled S̶u̶p̶e̶r̶c̶a̶r̶ Correction: electronically controlled sports car that holds your hand
@christopherking2012
4 жыл бұрын
But made by GM. Dear lord help us as we see one pass, mustangs got competition.
@matheuskalil5680
4 жыл бұрын
@@christopherking2012 Mustangs are muscle cars and thus don't actually compete with Corvettes and Vipers, which are supercars. The proposals and dynamics are very different. A Mustang competes with other muscle cars, such as Camaros and Challengers.
@Alexie3333
4 жыл бұрын
Ford GT for competition?
@peterdollery629
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. A viper is raw enough to kill you. C8 is more civilized. If we're being honest, probably a much more fun car to drive at 7/10 or 8/10. Try driving a viper at 8/10 and odds are either you or the car won't make it.
@lazar2175
4 жыл бұрын
@@peterdollery629 Depends, for your average Joe, the C8 is probably better, but once you get to target audience which is car enthusiasts, who often drive on track and exercise proper driving techniques, i believe Viper could be on par with Vette.
@jp2246
4 жыл бұрын
Such a well done video, pretty impressive that Chevy provided you with the cutaway, that says a lot about your channel
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MrElv94
4 жыл бұрын
That's why I just watch engineering explained reviews
@scottsullivan8185
4 жыл бұрын
I love that Chevrolet is leaning in on independent reviews like this. Great video. Great marketing. Great information. Looking forward to buying my C8.
@TheDaltonmichaels
4 жыл бұрын
missed opportunity , you could have filmed this while wearing denim shorts and white new balance shoes with tall white socks.
@minoassal
4 жыл бұрын
And a t shirt with a C4 on it
@staLkerhu
4 жыл бұрын
Guys, am I missing something??? (o_O)
@elironkainen3615
4 жыл бұрын
@@staLkerhu The stereotypical Corvette owner is envisioned to be a middle-aged white dude who dresses like a stereotypical dad (hence the New Balances, the tall socks with shorts, the shorts being denim, stuff like that.)
@Flugabwehrkanone
4 жыл бұрын
@@elironkainen3615 The stereotypical Corvette owner is envisioned to be a retiree who dresses like a stereotypical retiree. What you're describing is the way dads used to dress in the 90s and 00s--and even then, only the older dads. What dad is rocking the tall-sock-New-Balance look today? (And no, wearing a fanny pack is not enough).
@JJs_playground
4 жыл бұрын
@@elironkainen3615 although, these days, even young rappers are sporting that look. Lol
@SidneyCritic
4 жыл бұрын
"More low end torque", now he gets the advantages of 2 valve. 2 valve engines usually have a higher port velocity, so make max torque at a lower rpm. Plus this is a modern pushrod engine, so it has lightened valve-train that can do higher rpm than old pushrod stuff.
@ronnieyoung8549
4 жыл бұрын
I just wonder how much this push rod motor can handle. Psi? I got a civic si lmao. She wants all the boost and doesn't care
@squidusn71
4 жыл бұрын
@@ronnieyoung8549 well, your 18psi is probably equal to 9psi on this pushrod eng.
@ronnieyoung8549
4 жыл бұрын
@@squidusn71 well I guess but just saying 10 psi is around 300 350. Maybe a lil more in a 2000 lbs car . K series works too good. I'd die if they went pushrod caveman on me.
@squidusn71
4 жыл бұрын
@@ronnieyoung8549 yeah you need to boost a 4banger because you have too lol. 2k lbs car if you strip all the interior so I guess you like it that way. Some folks nowadays just slap a bigger bump stick and a tune will easily put a naturally asperated all aluminum eng in the upwards of 500hp/tq.
@ronnieyoung8549
4 жыл бұрын
@@squidusn71 not gutted. My 2004 ep3 2700lbs and my 90s ef hatch is 1900lbs. 20 lbs makes 500 hp range and it's cheap compared to whatever motor u speak of. My k is 400 bucks and I have a spear at all times just in case.
@freinagetardif6882
4 жыл бұрын
Well, since we have seen everything there is to see for this base C8, let's switch to the Z06 😊
@wombat7366
4 жыл бұрын
Oasiz IzGood you won’t see it until 2022.
@PatsGarageOnline
4 жыл бұрын
I love the all season tires on my mid-engine car. Also, I fixed the under-steer by going with a 30mm wider tire.
@EbonyPope
4 жыл бұрын
Back or front?
@PatsGarageOnline
4 жыл бұрын
@@EbonyPope front.
@jmlassi
3 жыл бұрын
My C8 arrived 9/23/20...I was barely able to put 500 miles on it before I had to put it away for the winter. Can't wait to see it again!
@danbradley7176
4 жыл бұрын
The Corvettes cleaned up at Sebring this weekend. Great looking car.
@ropig148
4 жыл бұрын
Someone show this to throttle house so they can actually learn something
@josephbusby4625
4 жыл бұрын
I dont think you watched the video
@ropig148
4 жыл бұрын
@@josephbusby4625 I did
@ropig148
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMildGamer12 throttle house dismissed the safety aspect of the understeer, that's the part I was talking about
@kc510
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like they really like the corvette, just said it understeers like an Audi.
@TML34
4 жыл бұрын
Donny Scher who said understeer was safe? Depends on the conditions. I much prefer a car that has a tendency to oversteer.
@gagan5390
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that he's 57 throws me off all the time
@metaltera86
4 жыл бұрын
Gagan No way he’s not
@ianrayflora3593
4 жыл бұрын
Wait what!?
@hacker52057
4 жыл бұрын
Nah man he's 30
@misterhappy2817
4 жыл бұрын
Wait. What!? I'm 55 and I would've bet money he was about the age of my oldest kid.
@MB-square
4 жыл бұрын
Whaaat!
@InBoostWeTrust7MGTE
4 жыл бұрын
when you have become so "big" that corvette just gives you cars to make youtube videos... cool
@man_on_wheelz
4 жыл бұрын
I don't have much experience regularly driving a high performance rear-wheel drive monster machine of any sort on snow so I can't speak on it, but what has always puzzled me is when people go bonkers when you drive all-season tires all year around. Mind you, I live in Chicago, so I'm no novice when it comes to legit snowy driving. But I've owned 3 cars in my life and all 3 did perfectly fine on all season tires in both snowy and dry pavement when simply driving it from point a-b. The car I have now is pretty powerful but its AWD and I know not to throw it into a corner in the snow anyway, but it does an amazing job in the snow, barely any wheel slip at half throttle from a stand-still and I've yet to go for a slide while trying to take a turn at a reasonable speed. Basically all I'm saying is what's the big deal with people harping over winter tires when all-seasons do the job just fine? Unless you're about to go rally-cross racing I don't see the big deal. And don't let me get started on tire chains!
@dbullis2433
4 жыл бұрын
First thing we change is the MOBILE 1 to a better oil. It's fine for DD, but if you plan on any kind of motorsport, change to a good oil right away.
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
I don't take oil advice from guys that can't even spell the oil they are criticizing correctly. Besides that though, you have no clue what you are talking about. Kevin Harvick’s No. 4 car Aric Almirola’s No. 10 car Clint Bowyer’s No. 14 car Cole Custer’s No. 41 car All use Mobil 1. Corvette Racing uses Mobil 1.
@eriktenhag2022
4 жыл бұрын
What a nice car. Quality is better than older gens and I honestly would pick this over euro competition, anyday
@goldenmanuever1176
4 жыл бұрын
One of the few KZitemrs to actually listen to. To your point, there are just too many people running their mouths on this car. What an excellent presentation.
@coastaku1954
4 жыл бұрын
Can we just appriecate the fact that 0W-40 Oil exists, that sounds like the most perfect oil viscosity
@leftyeh6495
4 жыл бұрын
I've been running it in my older vehicles for years. Enough viscosity to keep oil pressure decent, thin enough to flow at -40* and build pressure within a second or two. (By older, I mean still roller cam pushrod but without any fuel efficiency crap)
@bestatdoingnothing3941
4 жыл бұрын
Must be some thicccc oil
@zioo3117
4 жыл бұрын
Let me comment upon this great video. I really liked this presentation. Blessed to obtain a C8 on April 13, 2020, I enjoy driving the C8 each and every time I get behind the wheel of the car. Thus far, there hasn't been much in the way of maintenance. The car is super comfortable. It handles amazingly well. It maintains its track on the road regardless of grooves and things that get thrown at it and I chalk that up to the magnetic ride control. When ever I put the G forces to the tires when cornering, the car hugs the corners and makes me feel like there is almost no lean. While horsepower and torque are not instantaneous, they are completely predictable until the RPM's find the last 1500 RPM on the tack. That's where the car accelerates its hardest and does not disappoint. Instead, it scares the absolute stuffings out of me. Suddenly, at those moments, I mentally cancel any thoughts of needing or wanting a Z06. Every detail of the track booklet that comes with the car should be taken care of before going to the track, including the break-in period and removing the front license plate and restoring the front aero part to its original position for the track use. It's all amazing! AF
@keyboarddancers7751
4 жыл бұрын
The C8 is a performance bargain PLATFORM i.e. you can make adjustments and modificatons relatively easily. The GM designers are not fools; they've produced a totally accessible vehicle with an effective low tech, modest maintenance engine. My prediction is that after a few gremlins have been sorted, it will provide lots of automotive fun, new and used, for quite a few years to come.
@ElliottAlvis
4 жыл бұрын
I see my neighbor loading and unloading corvettes in similar shape to the cutaway car at all hours of the night. Possibly stolen?
@bradyelich2745
4 жыл бұрын
I dunno, do you live next to Ed from Vinwiki and he is getting his rentals back?
@danielromero4426
4 жыл бұрын
Mind ur business boi
@michaelangelo8001
4 жыл бұрын
Most likely.
@squidusn71
4 жыл бұрын
Be more nosey and go ask some questions? Don't forget to update us.
@james4wd236
4 жыл бұрын
I like that manufactures always try to push the edge of technology, but it feels like every time a new technology comes out it fails miserably and then takes 3-5 years to fix and then gets scrapped the following year and then they start over again.
@ronochow
4 жыл бұрын
12:28 Jason: "Can we put that thing in my garage?" Chevy: "yeah", Jason: "Can we keep that Corvette in my garage?" Chevy:
@thorandmoljnir
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video and great information! This incredible machine just seems to keep getting better. It seems Chevy has done what no supercar manufacturer can do: create a high performance sports car that can actually be used in real world situations with no excuses and a ridiculously low price for what you get. Good work Tadge and crew!
@philscott7949
4 жыл бұрын
"Boiling break fluid". New to me. Thanks for the lesson. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem? ♨🌡
@maartendehoog8527
3 жыл бұрын
YES, and it is scary as you wouldnt believe! change/replace brake fluid every 2 years or 60.000km/about 40.000 miles. Dot4 brake fluid has a minimum boulingpoint of 230 degrees celsius (would know farhenheit, european sorry) when new, water 100 degrees celsius, brake fluid is hygroscopic, it attracks water and will mix with it, why? so no wandering droplets or water somewhere in your brakesystem. brakefluid containing so much water boiling point drops below 155 degrees are deemed dangerous. quick check? fresh fluid is yellowish clear. it wil darken when it gets older, if it starts to look brownish? Change it! if it has gone black? not only change it, flush it also. callipers can and will rust, fresh fluid prevents that. leaking drumbrakes in the rear? 99% chance it is due to poor maintenance and thus not changing Brakefluid regularly. when not respecting that brakes need to down, you cant decent a mountain properly. never brake continuous, always brake firm and slow below the speed you want to travel and let go and let gravity accelerate you downhill (your brakes can cool down now) and then when it goes to fast again brake firm again. dont slam it, but just firm.
@scoob66
4 жыл бұрын
"Well, well it understeers" Also the driver: *Locks brakes, disables power steering, turns at 90 mph* Lmao I feel like people just try to find anything to complain about, even if it can be driver error
@mzaite
4 жыл бұрын
You're usually either good at driving cars, or good at writing about driving cars. Few are good at both.
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
@@mzaite Haha I can agree to that! Chris Harris feels like one of the true exceptions.
@mzaite
4 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeringExplained Definitely.
@johnvalerian8440
4 жыл бұрын
Most of those cars will never make it to the track anyways so these so-called flaws will make no difference.
@edwarddelbar
4 жыл бұрын
And the ones that do will most likely have completely different setups and different tires. The dedicated track cars will even have that brake by wire system ripped right out.
@kc510
4 жыл бұрын
edwarddelbar 100% agree. Those that actually want to track it will set it up to their liking.
@corpsiecorpsie_the_original
4 жыл бұрын
@@edwarddelbar - why would they rip out an electronic booster when they could reprogram it?
@mzaite
4 жыл бұрын
Most of them will never make it around the first decreasing radius off ramp.
@DrewLSsix
4 жыл бұрын
@@corpsiecorpsie_the_original or just unplug it, many race cars forego boost assist anyway, because vacuum assist is not always consistent on the track.
@lemster101
4 жыл бұрын
The interior trim pieces at 9:54 align perfectly, like on a Tesla.
@truantray
4 жыл бұрын
LOL... I've seen much worse in C8s. No one in Germany is worried. It's a Corvette, which satisfies the bizarre American fetish for second best. In the entire C7 generation GM refused to source decent wheels. Being part of class action suits is just part of owning US cars.
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
@@truantray Corvette are actually huge in Germany. You can sell one for probably double what you paid.
@Ckcdillpickle
4 жыл бұрын
@@truantray And no one in america is worried either? because our cars don't cost insane amounts to buy and repair
@emenesu
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ckcdillpickle Japan called...
@Ckcdillpickle
4 жыл бұрын
@@emenesu Expensive, and unreliable
@stealthg35infiniti94
4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation in layman's terms! You're right, too many are quick to judge without knowing the detailed facts....
@ghostshadow9046
3 жыл бұрын
Had "FUN" driving my dads corvette home in February in Alaska with formula 1 summer tires, a drive that normally takes 2 hours took nearly 4 hours, got to the house and car was sliding sideways down the driveway.
@Greezmunky77
4 жыл бұрын
It technically isn't "Brake by Wire" since there is still a mechanical connection between the brake pedal and master cylinder. This is basically computer controlled electric power assisted brakes.
@copperkeyracing6167
4 жыл бұрын
CLIFFNOTES: The car was made softer and more live-able than the previous corvette, yet the platform is adjustable by the purist quite easily by making easy adjustments to settings the car has built in... ...resulting in a much better car than the previous one, if you want that... but expect tradeoffs like the tires to wear out fast like the previous car. The engine is completely fine if it makes the power needed and fits as compact and light, as it clearly does. If you want better tires, get them, but these are about 95% the grip of the non all-season tires in the dry. Google them.
@donavin167
4 жыл бұрын
The C8 is missing the most important part.......THE CLUTCH!!!
@AlexanderKarimSoufi
4 жыл бұрын
Agree, despite all I hear about the C8 and how great it is, I will not buy one until it is available with manual transmission. I hope Chevy is listening. Until then, I am sticking with C6 and C7.
@mikemace2322
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely...you nailed it!!!!
@truantray
4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderKarimSoufi The C8 will never have a manual. If the C8 DCT lasts more than a few years, I will be amazed.
@twrcrew8852
4 жыл бұрын
that's weird, because it has 2 clutches. I think you mean the pedal??
@mikemace2322
4 жыл бұрын
All my cars ..and trucks had 3 pedals ...not counting the e-brake..thats what makes it a sports car
@charliemccutcheon6030
3 жыл бұрын
I saw the 'pilot' on the side of the tires and instantly knew why they put on all seasons. Crazy tech and they work great in the winter.
@nickmazz9345
3 жыл бұрын
I used to ignor these Chevy's as a bit of joke frankly, I take it back, its hell of a car for the money, congrats from the U.K. well done chaps
@ecschindelbeck
4 жыл бұрын
You left out another flaw: automatic transmission only, which as I understand it was for the sake of the body rigidity by minimizing penetrations of the trans tunnel. I’m not a manual-or-die person but a lot of people have a problem woth this.
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
The trans is a DCT that shifts quicker than a human can. You can select whatever gear you want. The only people who think a DCT is a flaw are people who don't know what a DCT is. Tell those people to take their Centrum Silver and stick to Buicks.
@kens97sto171
4 жыл бұрын
@@someguy5035 I find your comment rather hilarious. It used to be the only people that drove automatics were the ones who needed centrum silver, and people that were young and knew how to actually drive a car only drove manuals. Technically you are correct the DCT is faster than any human could be. But that isn't the point, rowing your own gears is simply more enjoyable. Because it puts you more in contact with what the vehicle is doing.
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
@@kens97sto171 Do you want to manually adjust your carb when you change elevation? What about manually adjusting your timing? Manual roll down windows? What about changing your spark plugs every 20,000 miles? You going back to those days too? I have owned a ton of manuals - everything from performance cars to 15 ton trucks. DCTs are all the enjoyment of a manual with none of the annoyances.
@kens97sto171
4 жыл бұрын
@@someguy5035 Your comparison is absolutely idiotic. The fact that you even said that tells me everything I need to know. rowing your own gears is nothing similar to adjusting a carburetor. One is enjoyable the other is not. Sorry a DCT while technically faster is not more enjoyable than rowing your own gears if you're going to do so. pressing a little paddle on the steering wheel is not the same thing as feeling the vibration from the drive line in your hand in the shift knob. Nowhere near the same experience.
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
@@kens97sto171 Weird how you enjoy manuals, but you don't enjoy doing things manually. Almost like you are just some self-righteous asshat that wants to complain.
@asherdales
4 жыл бұрын
I daily drive a Camaro and the best thing I did was replace my P Zeros with a set of good all seasons. My pants now stay clean at the hint of bad weather.
@developingdaddy
4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone defends engineers. Engineers get so much flak from people, in every engineering industry, who don't understand why engineers make the decisions they do. I really enjoyed the video. Thank you!
@sage2bi
4 жыл бұрын
I think most brands do themselves a disservice by not explaining these kinds of design considerations during their matketing. It really makes you appreciate the considerations and solutions they went with. I've personally been tired of hearing winey car reviews where they don't talk about anything below surface topics, and making small things seem like a big deal. Sadly it seems to do a lot in effecting ppl in their perception of cars, what they buy, and ultimately stopping the manufacturers from investing the time/money into exciting cars. Another great vid, thx!
@russelljohnson4527
4 жыл бұрын
"I sent them an email, asking if this thing could get in my garage and they were, like, Yeah." Only Jason could get away with that!!
@ntdscherer
4 жыл бұрын
Missed the biggest flaw: no clutch pedal available. Also the overhead cam engine was invented first, so by that measure pushrod engines are more modern.
@yjkader
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@TommyEick
4 жыл бұрын
Invented first yes. Which was mass produced first?
@someguy5035
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you want a clutch pedal for a DCT? Makes no sense.
@ryanschaff123
4 жыл бұрын
By your same standards electric cars are antiques as 1 and 3 cars on the road were electric a 100 years ago.
@ntdscherer
4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanschaff123 No, by that standard (which is of somewhat questionable value) electric cars are more modern than gas cars if they were invented later. Which they were.
@dbassett74
4 жыл бұрын
Can the movement of the whole brake pedal assembly shown when you applied pressure on the pedal be attributed to it being destabilized by the cutaway? Otherwise, that looks pretty rickety!
@squidusn71
4 жыл бұрын
Lol, is your question really needed to asked? It's a CUTAWAY display.
@damnthisuser
3 жыл бұрын
This is the most informed review I've heard about the c8 especially regarding the understeer complaints of other reviews.
@TheRareCode
4 жыл бұрын
You should do a video series that breaks down a bunch of engines and through the disassembly you talk about different engineering decisions that were made in its design.
@Anything_With_An_Engine
4 жыл бұрын
Any one who says it understeers needs to watch Speed Phenom in his C8 on the track. Lmao he can get that oversteer every turn if he wanted.
@mzaite
4 жыл бұрын
Yeup, Go Deep, Brake Late, Trail and swing it around. Basic Mid Engine Technique. Not for the faint hearted press buffet grazers.
@adityadiesel7668
4 жыл бұрын
Well said
@richardschofield2201
4 жыл бұрын
I emailed Chevrolet and asked them if I could put their cutaway in *my* garage. They said no. What gives?
@phillippowell3847
4 жыл бұрын
The explanation of brake balance I thought a bit odd as every car has to have brake balance by several different methods unless you want your car to swap ends it is normal to have a front bias to keep the facing the right way.
@EngineeringExplained
4 жыл бұрын
Yes but the vast majority of cars are front engine, hence the weight doesn't want to swap around (like an arrow), versus an engine in the back which means the rear end gets a bit tail happy under hard braking.
@rchydrozz751
3 жыл бұрын
2:16 I hope adding the rest of the body panels strengthens up the brake pedal mount. Did you see the whole brake pedal frame move when he hits the brake pedal.
@12bisme
3 жыл бұрын
Late to the show, but was impressed with the video nevertheless. As a retired aerospace test engineer with a C7, soon to upgrade to the C8, it is refreshing to see a review addressing considerations from a professional. Thanks much!
@Holt0216
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Loved every second of it
@CaliByGreg
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I feel like I've seen this video before.
@Holt0216
4 жыл бұрын
Race Byte how can you prove this claim good sir 🧐
@GIZZMOTORSPORTS
4 жыл бұрын
You're personal car, Mazda MX5... I can see that.
@MLKM4N
4 жыл бұрын
I love the content though. You make me want to be an engineer
@gheumann
3 жыл бұрын
Yet another great job. Real engineering content, clearly explained, no B.S. Back around 2000 I had a Porsche Turbo that I drove at some track days at Laguna Seca. (Lifelong dream fulfilled!) - anyway - I went with 2 year old brake fluid and managed to boil it -- that is a sinking feeling to be sure! (Lesson learned!) The Corvette system is brilliant in that regard - great job of explaining it!
@lewgoogle5530
4 жыл бұрын
I think I saw that cutaway car last summer at Laguna Seca, during car week, in the Corvette pavilion. Thank you for a very intelligent analysis.
@Gucek001
4 жыл бұрын
* vaporised brake fluid: "gas". not "air". just a detail to remember.
@darkdiddler1439
4 жыл бұрын
He initially mentioned that it's gas, but then went on to call it air, so must've been a script error.
@WelpNopeYep
4 жыл бұрын
"The biggest flaw is the piston engine" - Rob Dahm
@RobDahm
4 жыл бұрын
You can quote me on that hahaha
@arutezza
4 жыл бұрын
I thought this was rob dahm for a second wtf
@stephenward8052
4 жыл бұрын
Although it does seem like Chevy is playing the yt creator game to get the C8 out there, and they have done a very good job of it.
@RobDahm
4 жыл бұрын
me too haha
@scundoorsup5342
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is amazingly knowledgeable about car engineering ,, love him
@seventi6
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for recognizing that pushrods still have a place in modern performance.
@donniebaker5984
4 жыл бұрын
Like Harley Davidson push rod motors lol
@seventi6
4 жыл бұрын
@@donniebaker5984 I've put over 123000 on my harley so far.
@יוסףפזשטיין
4 жыл бұрын
Five drawbacks of the c8 corvette that’ll make you say “that’s not a drawback, that’s a good thing!”
@mzaite
4 жыл бұрын
Well, if you're a bad driver you think they're a good thing.
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