In TBC at level 70 I was questing and exploring a lot with friends to develop my character, see where these stories ended, collecting the material for a piece of epic gear through profession, trying to get that reputation mount, getting attunements for Heroic dungeons and later raids. Even after getting into raids I continued doing this. There was plenty to do, but you didn't feel like it was urgent you do these things all at once in a rush. There were other people to do these things with, and you might chat with them and meet them later to continue or do something else. In Battle for Azeroth I quit the game, because after quickly getting top level the days was just about doing a billion Dailys, and hoping that RNG reward you with epic gear, or Pokemo... I mean, 5 different shades of mounts. You had a billion chores to do, every day, the same thing over and over again. With complete strangers that you never met again, or talked to.
@matthewkeating6970
3 жыл бұрын
"wtf am i even doing"" just about sums up retail.
@MrTalicor
3 жыл бұрын
@@hvdhvd-zt3js or you could be good enough to do shit yourself.
@madtitan4892
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrTalicor TBC players being good? They'd have to clear LFR first OMEGALUL
@karolmeredyk2129
3 жыл бұрын
@@madtitan4892 Every raid on TBC is like LFR that you cant que. Bosses have 1 or 2 mechanics. And that makes them even easier than LFR. It comes to same thing that was classic: hard part is an accesibility, The Bosses are dogshit.
@paradicsomharcos
3 жыл бұрын
@@madtitan4892 idk, played sl for a week, m+ raiding felt like classic deadmimes....game literally says what to do and when, its like that auto mobile mmos, pure garbage. Also lost 40% of its playerbase in 2 months. You can try hard to defend the pathetic retail, but it if you are above 12yrs old and have minimum 20 iq its trash :D
@madtitan4892
3 жыл бұрын
@@paradicsomharcos WoW... Deadmimes, those french people oughta watch their backs... And automobile MMOs? Are there MMOs made for car systems? Count me in... In all seriousness, this comment screams that you're either immature or under 15, and that you've never set foot on a M+ dungeon on your lifetime, firstly because you cannot sucessfuly enter M+ with less than a week's worth of gearing unless you are being carried, and a single trash mob on normal mode has more mechanics than most of Classucc's dungeon bosses, and even some of the raid bosses too. Another funny fact, if you want to talk about playerbase drop? It's so bad in Classucc that they need to merge dead servers and offer free changes literaly every couple of months. Idiots like you are the target audience for Classucc, that's why the raids are made in a way so they can be cleared by animals bashing their keyboards with poop.
@RoxxSerm
3 жыл бұрын
TBC and WOTLK is the golden times of WoW for me, with TBC beeing slightly ahead.
@shikouji
3 жыл бұрын
There sure is alotta buzz about tbc
@DaltonBrewer
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, they go head to head for me.
@randomrandom7208
3 жыл бұрын
As for me WotLK was absolute worst addon. Raid logging mode because there is absolutly nothing to do outside of raids
@seda6968
3 жыл бұрын
@@randomrandom7208 Agree, my experience in WOTLK as a active raider was to do the raid then afk in Dalaran because there was nothing to do, was not fun at all.
@ofueru2219
3 жыл бұрын
Wotlk is the beginning of the end
@Ralizer
3 жыл бұрын
The biggest reason the classic ,TBC ,WOTLK zones are so much better and fleshed out than retail is simple. the developers then were making places and attaching quests to the locations, whereas now everything in the world is designed with a specific set of quests to fit to create a sense of streamlining the questing experience. they are no longer creating places, they are making good looking hallways.
@ryans6309
3 жыл бұрын
Just want to add that everything was also hand drawn animation up to Wrath of the Lich king. Thats why some ppl are put off by retails graphics but cant explain why.
@greenchilistudioz4537
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryans6309 not even true and wow classic tbc and wotlk are not great, I am waiting for legion classic
@supreme_beef
3 жыл бұрын
I love how he uses the Fable music. My favorite game.
@jonathankarlsson3327
3 жыл бұрын
GOAT
@juhouusitalo4509
3 жыл бұрын
Wow is my favorite
@Velumbra
3 жыл бұрын
Aha! I thought it was familiar. Absolutely loved Fable 1 and 2 when I was little. I wish Fable 2 would get a PC port. Such a good game.
@gareth3437
3 жыл бұрын
Back to the days of chasing chickens on the xbox.
@roflstomplolmao
3 жыл бұрын
Hahahah legit, needs to play at my funeral tbh
@cptmorgans
3 жыл бұрын
Great Video Meta. I only returned to Classic with the Reinforcement Project on Flamelash (I have you to thank for that as I saw your Video). Now 6 months on I've made some fantastic friends and so many memories. The social side has been fantastic with the Discord and Guild Chat driving what we might do that day or week :).
@aldarana8483
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying any of the points made about retail are wrong, but I did find it amusing that all the footage playing beind the retail talk was from either Legion or BfA when this is supposed to be about why TBC is better than *Shadowlands*.
@TheVoicesNeverStopTalking
3 жыл бұрын
Legion and BfA have more content than shadowlands KEKW
@relyks8645
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheVoicesNeverStopTalking That's because ALL the content for Legion and BFA has already come out KEKW
@aldarana8483
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheVoicesNeverStopTalking I was going to suggest that it's because SL is so bad he couldn't even be bothered playing it again to get footage. You suggestion is good too though.
@202adr
3 жыл бұрын
@@relyks8645 Still doesnt matter cause BC on launch had almost more content then all 3 together, 6 raids out of 9 bro and 15 dungeons out of 16 with the ability to do them in heroic, arena which was new then, and eye of the storm BG, as well as jewlcrafting and 2 new races, Honor system changes. But as for dungeons and raid alone which is what most people do along with arena, and the ability to gear up in pvp only... your point is mute. Every expansion releases with less content. Islands didnt get updated in shadowland to make it better while it had potential as a cool pvp mode, they just deleted/made it worthless and left it in the dark, same with other stuff that came before like wintergrasp. They remove more then they add.
@relyks8645
3 жыл бұрын
@@202adr That's funny that my point can be mute when it had absolutely nothing to do with TBC.. You daft fuck.
@marcusludwig6007
3 жыл бұрын
Metagoblin: TBC will be better than Shadowlands. Everyone: We know...
@michaelkpate
3 жыл бұрын
I remember how amazing it was to explore Azeroth as a new player in late 2008. I don't think you can recapture that feeling if you've leveled lots of alts the way I did over the years - they aren't unexplored areas, they are just flight points to collect. If I do play TBC Classic I think I want to try - Make a new character. Group up and make friends. Join a Guild. Have some adventurers. Delete the Character. Rinse and Repeat - because apparently that is the best part of the game.
@Brumfield85
3 жыл бұрын
It’s ironic how the best part of an MMO is what makes it an MMO.
@radshi
3 жыл бұрын
I will see you boys in TBC. This time I will be prepared
@rafosdesign9576
3 жыл бұрын
Bots are already more prepared
@meat7096
3 жыл бұрын
Legion was the last retail expansion I really enjoyed and felt like a kid again
@unlawfulbl9516
3 жыл бұрын
Yer I really enjoyed legion. I even enjoyed wod.
@jittersgc
3 жыл бұрын
"Bring the player, not the class." I remember when this was hailed as a great change (at least to my memory, maybe it wasn't) to class design. But in the long run it did essentially just mean that all the classes has to be balanced in the same way, bring the same tools and never have anything unique that could be considered necessary (the exception would be heroism/bloodlust effects). This sounds great on paper but it kills the dynamic between classes and players in a raid team, or the game overall. I used to be 100% in favor of the new philosophy on class design but playing Classic and having not touched retail since it released, I've completely changed my mind and can't see myself playing a potential classic Cataclysm and onwards.
@JKtheSlacker
3 жыл бұрын
I think "bring the player, not the class" was a misunderstanding of what the problems with the underplayed specs were. Wrath balancing was actually very good - you could raid as a ret paladin, or a subtlety rogue, or a boomkin, or any other spec that wasn't able to be brought previously for various reasons. But, that's where it should have stopped. Having to bring a Shaman for Bloodlust/Heroism wasn't a problem once that shaman was there for other reasons as well. It eliminated meme specs by making them valuable regardless of what special snowflake thing they brought, and that was a good thing, but that's where they should have stopped.
@simonlauer9379
3 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that I really thought that Blizzard learned something for SL. Nope. Same story
@relyks8645
3 жыл бұрын
That's not entirely true. They at least learned that there needs to be an end point for certain grinds, even if they're just temporary. So in BFA you could continue leveling your Heart of Azeroth pretty much forever, where at least in SL you can only get your Renown to 40 until the next major patch comes out.
@DeanWhipper
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think Shadowlands is what players think they want. They think they want to play solo with every QoL imaginable, but then they quit a month into it because it's boring. Players don't know what they want.
@ryanpellegrini1023
3 жыл бұрын
I agree I thought with classics popularity. They would have brought back some of the things that made the game great. But nope. Same single player que based, anti community E sport it's been since post Wrath
@DeanWhipper
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpellegrini1023 Single player is the best way to describe it. "I want to progress my character while never having to socialize with anybody ever"
@jakubbb0033
3 жыл бұрын
I don't want to change your mind or anything, if your end-game content is heroic dungeons or lfr sure, but you can't say something I don't do doesn't have something something, because in premade groups you literally socialise, you just don't take part in that part of the game. You can't say that premade groups (and I don't mean dungeon finder or lfr) is any different from chat spamming in the older versions. You literally changed only one thing and that is you changed chat for square interface. Wow how could they, that's insane.
@cmoney163
3 жыл бұрын
Retail feeling like you’re in a race to keep up with everyone else is so true! I hate feeling like I’m being punished for having a life outside of WoW.
@JrKengu
3 жыл бұрын
I fail to see how classic is seen as more casual. If you're a full time raider you still have to put many MANY hours in.
@matteus-
3 жыл бұрын
Some like retail some classic it's not an argument which one is overall better. Its PREFERENCE.
@DaltonBrewer
3 жыл бұрын
True to some extent. Retail has been going downhill lately though. It’s becoming World of Chorecraft. And PvP is a joke atm, blows my mind how a company of blizzard’s scale continues to neglect it.
@megamanx627
3 жыл бұрын
Quite honestly the biggest problem with retail classes that I see its to much borrowed power like your class doesn't feel like anything until halfway through the expansion
@DaltonBrewer
3 жыл бұрын
@@megamanx627 that’s a part of the issue as well. TBC was one of the best expansions ever, and most retail players never even played it. Classes back then had better kits and were more complete.
@megamanx627
3 жыл бұрын
@@DaltonBrewer I do agree it depends on when they started for the record I played retail all the way through bfa And I started in vanilla. And this is kind of been my opinion of the game as a whole I don't think it's just blizzard's fault is the thing I think we as gamers have change just as much as wow has. Now me personally I think class balance as a whole over all was best in wrath of the lich king yes not everybody was top DPS however there wasn't really a suspect that felt you know week. Maybe not as utility focused and paladins still can do AOE healing however over all I'd say the classes were best and wrath
@Sakatoro
3 жыл бұрын
Nah, tbc is better for sure
@kennard3106
3 жыл бұрын
Summed up my feelings perfectly. Tried getting back into wow after being on and off since Cata, but it just felt wrong. Playing TBC right now and the feeling I missed is back!
@RyanBM
3 жыл бұрын
honestly the games are so different now, they are not comparable anymore i feel. the fundamental difference is what each game is trying to achieve. classic is built by a bunch of everquest nerds who wanted to make a cool game for people like themselves. the focus is on the player and player driven content. retail is built by devs who are told what to do by committee to hit engagement markers. the focus is on getting you to log in every day, giving you a check list to complete. they are legitimately built to do different things.
@Baraza88
3 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right. TBC offers players a better gameplay experience because it is a complex game. Another point is that the expansion was built on Classic. Classic offers a strong foundation with all its aspects, which are not all perfect, but the important thing here is that existing systems have been improved.
@andrei-de4qh
3 жыл бұрын
Get your favourite beverage and have a sip every time he says 'okay'.
@onyourleft5648
3 жыл бұрын
*violently falls down 8 minutes in*
@aaronbyrd420
3 жыл бұрын
I chose red bull and now I'm on the moon!
@ryanpellegrini1023
3 жыл бұрын
Classic - Wrath. The game was an MMO. Great story. Strong community. Huge open world play with interaction with other players. Post Wrath WoW is an E sport. Everything is based around endgame and mostly balanced around endgame arena. No community needed and mostly a 1 player game completed through random ques
@erikhendrickson59
3 жыл бұрын
One thing I find it interesting is that EverQuest tried the "sci-fi fantasy crossover" first with their Luclin expansion and it was considered a massive failure. Often considered the expansion that "killed EQ" (Though they turned that around with POP) It was a bold move by Blizzard to attempt effectively the same thing despite the consequences they saw it have for the EverQuest population. A testament to Blizzard's mastery of design and implementation!
@biohazard3554
3 жыл бұрын
Played Sl for some months and missed Classic throughout that time, now I only use my retail hero to farm gold for monthly sub and got back to Classic.
@ClarixTV
3 жыл бұрын
As a main retail player (im also BiS geared in classic with full naxx gear) I wanted to find a way to debate this... and i just couldn’t. This just makes me think of how far we’ve strayed from the core elements of classic wow in retail. Great vid
@ir0n2541
3 жыл бұрын
What i liked about launch of classic is what i will like about launch of TBC. everyone starts off on a level playing field, blizzard sets a time and date. and everyone starts the journy at the same time, that window of a few days to a week is the best because you feel like you are part of a community where everyon has a common goal, and that is to reach level 70.
@EnteGutAllesJud
3 жыл бұрын
Nah not quite because this time I don't have a lvl 60 character to start with and I'm definitely not going to buy the level boost
@nicklasabrahamsson8836
3 жыл бұрын
@@EnteGutAllesJud isn't the first one Free?
@nicklasabrahamsson8836
3 жыл бұрын
If you Think it's equal you're delussional when there's shittons of bot players with 10 toons at goldcap and shittons of Mats prepared to make even more gold to break the economy even more in TBC. Nah I'll stick to private servers where they give a shit.
@MRkriegs
3 жыл бұрын
@@nicklasabrahamsson8836 no it's not free and there is only ever 1. So no second boost
@TheKremit
3 жыл бұрын
BC Had best skyboxes out of all of them imo. nice vid meta
@MrSaiboo
3 жыл бұрын
your intro music is from fable (TLC) right?
@mklizzar
3 жыл бұрын
Classic has more fun gameplay too, better animations and better sound effects and spells feel fun to cast. Reason why its more fun to farm frostmaul giants for 3 hours than to do stupid worldquests/torghast for 2 hours.
@relyks8645
3 жыл бұрын
Did you just say that Classic has better animations? Oh boy.
@mklizzar
3 жыл бұрын
@@relyks8645 Yes, look at the walking animation of zandalari trolls, compare it to classic trolls. Look at the animation of slam/mortal strike of taurens in retail and compare it to classic.
@relyks8645
3 жыл бұрын
@@mklizzar All of the animations in retail are superior. :)
@mklizzar
3 жыл бұрын
@@relyks8645 Again look at the basic walking and casting animations dummy. Specifically zandalari trolls.
@relyks8645
3 жыл бұрын
@@mklizzar I have, and you're trying to make an argument about something that's entirely subjective. Which I find hilarious. You're one of those people that is entirely incapable of saying anything positive about the current version of the game.
@mmnds264
Жыл бұрын
Curious if this still holds true for wow wotlk now? New to the game overall and trying to figure out where to start
@kanuckistanprepper5321
3 жыл бұрын
Ive played since vanilla. For me TBC and WOTLK were equal..."PEAK WOW". Many say WOTLK was the beginning of the end for WoW, and this is technically true as the design elements that came into being in WOTLK started the downward spiral, however that doesnt mean those specific elements were "game breaking" DURING WOTLK, as not all of the new things we complain about were brought in during WOTLK. And IMO... The elements that were brought in that are said to have been the beginning of the end of WoW, were offset nicely by other huge genuine improvements ove TBC, class balance was even better than TBC, the arena system improved massively, duel spec became a thing... The list goes on. So in the end for me, I rank them both up at the top. Then cata came.... Ugh. And mists was absolute blleeeeehhh. Things really did peak with the Lich King.
@jasonparker3361
3 жыл бұрын
#5 is the exact reason I will never go back to retail and why I won’t progress in classic past Wrath
@Permuh
3 жыл бұрын
The content in cata was good enough to make up for that imo. BoT/BwD and Firelands were such great raids
@i.r6990
3 жыл бұрын
@@Permuh Tier 11 and 12 raids were good, Dragon Soul was underwhelming imo.
@tsyuko7098
3 жыл бұрын
Even though I am the least MMO player playing MMO and my dream is standalone WoW BG/Arena client I must agree on sandbox part. On TBC levelling and exploring was torture to me, doing any kind of PVE from single dungeon to raid was torture to me. Doing stressful ranked content was torture for me. So I never did any of them(except levelling). All I ever wanted was being solo rogue PvP player with no guild. 100% of my playtime I was parked in front off battleground masters or ganking. Did not have to talk to anyone, did not have to do anything. I could be that asocial solo rogue having fun in MMO world if I wanted to. Now I feel forced to do so many things I dont want to all the time. I still just want to be that BG spamming / ganking player never saying a thing ignoring both social and PvE aspects of the game but I cant. Unranked BG gear feels like green gear while full merciles set in TBC during vengeful season felt good. Not the best but gave me fighting chance against everybody as solo player. On retail as solo random BG player I am just target dummy to every high rated competitive PvP player or high mythic player with some versatility put on. Everything is about ilvl. I feel no longer in charge of my experience. So even as absolute opposite of everything you are talking about I still prefer TBC experience over retail any time...
@DaltonBrewer
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I quit Shadowlands because one day I logged on and realized I don’t want to do all these chores to play the damn game. That and PvP is trash. I’m excited for TBC Classic and to main my Warlock like I did back in the day. The Burning Crusade was one of, if not the best expansion Blizzard ever made.
@nicklasabrahamsson8836
3 жыл бұрын
Lol pvp has Always been trash IMO as it's mostly a complex game of rock paper, scissors.
@spicylemon9339
3 жыл бұрын
As a ret pally shadow lands PvP at the start was she of the best PvP I've ever played. Then it went downhill lmaooo
@Iggybart05
3 жыл бұрын
that talent thing at the end is soooo true, but it's true in more ways than you realize. here's what i think happened to blizzard over the years. the talents started getting pruned in cata because essentially it was getting to be just a ton of talents. then it got pruned further in pandaria and i'm convinced the second pruning happened because blizzard was seeing a massive gap in top players vs bottom players and were wanting to thin the gap so to speak. there are other things that have happened too, like reforging i think went away purely because it was another way that min/maxers were making the gap bigger in that way. then look at all the things you used to be able to chain together in one macro to just massively boost your dps for a huge burst window (think trinkets+class ability+etc) because doing that obviously led to higher numbers for the players smart enough to do it and lower numbers for the people who couldn't do it. then look at secondary stat weights. each expansion it's gotten closer and closer to the same with main stat being so high. why? so that any idiot can just grab the next highest item level and be good. so we have had our classes dumbed down to the point that the only thing standing between the top and the bottom is ability to hit buttons in correct sequence and for some classes even that's not all that difficult.
@Zoozio
3 жыл бұрын
Also sorry but old talents didn't need thinking at all. And +20% crit dmg or - 0.2 casting time is not exciting.
@bithon5242
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvdx3336 Current talents quite literally change your playstyle and rotation drastically. Old talents still have you press frost bolt over and over again. Don't act like Classic have better PVE/Class design when it's literal garbage.
@kofodxx
3 жыл бұрын
Meta u are killing me with all this fable tunes
@stavrosdk6891
3 жыл бұрын
I still remember the lether hat I get in my dwarf hunter and I was so happy to be my first blue ...now you get a ton of equipment even for say hello to an npc and 3 hours later is already obsolete..
@healmyvision5941
3 жыл бұрын
#5 is the reason why retail dosent even exist in my book
@AmvReverdedStudios
3 жыл бұрын
Coming from someone who only started W.o.W Dec of 2019, I have to say I personally like Classic better. I am 26, and have been playing an abundance of video games in many different genres for as long as I can remember. My favorite? MMO's/MMORPG's. PC gaming changed my life. Anyway, when I first got introduced to w.o.w I started in retail. I enjoyed the game for sure, got a character to max level, made some alts, joined a guild, did dungeons, even raided! But after I'd say about a year or so into it. I started having less fun, especially once SL dropped. I didn't hate the X-Pac. But coming from someone who has a full time job, bills, an apartment to take care of etc. I didn't feel like I had the TIME. I started to feel obligated to play just so I wouldn't fall behind, I was in such a rush to go from 50-60 that I BARELY remember the zone stories in SL, and that's my fault. I played the first month of SL every single day 10-15 hours a day with my guild. Even though I was having fun with them, I felt like I was on this endless grind JUST to keep up. After that, and a lot of drama happening in the guild, I burnt out. I just stopped playing, I wasn't having fun anymore, I felt like I was just in the redundant loop, everything started to feel the same, even with ALL the people online, it didn't change the social status of retail in my experience. I tried jumping on here and there and would just close the game after a few minutes. I didn't want to do the same freakin covenant quests, and daily WQ that I had done for the 100th time that month. I didn't want to struggle to clear a T-Ghast run cause no one wanted to be in a group. I just felt rushed, behind, lonely, and pointlessly competitive. Even just after a week or two of not being on I was SO far behind, there seemed to be no point. I felt this weight on my shoulder's that shouldn't come with a freakin video game. After about 5 months, my roommate started talking about Classic and TBC. I always heard about classic, all the praise it's gotten, and the fact he has been playing since WC3 I knew I could trust him. For the first time in what felt like a while, I felt this spark of motivation and excitement. So I hopped on Classic and decided to do something completely different than what I had done on retail, so I made myself an undead warlock. Almost immediately I felt a difference. I am currently Lv.37 and I have to say, I have had a lot more fun. I feel like I am actually playing an MMORPG. I was forced to take a step back from what I was used to in Retail. The game is slower, progress and upgrades don't come easy. You actually have to manage your talent tree, and manually go back to your class trainer to upgrade skills, and get new skills for your demon (or pet depending on class), G isn't abundant as F- like retail. So it forces you to pick everything up, vendor, work the AH, actually USE your professions. I didn't feel like I had someone holding my hand behind the scenes, guiding me from 1-60 on a linear path of specific quests, dungeons, and content that if you don't do, you'll automatically just not be as good. Like BFA and their damn pendant and cape. You basically NEED to read quest text and pay attention to where, and what you need to do which to me makes the game more immersive. The people I have run into thus far actually feel like real people. Not to mention, when your out in the middle of no where questing and you so happen to run into someone else on the same quest, instead of KS-ing each other, you just group up and work together and it always turns out way quicker and easier. You actually have to worry about Mana and HP potions. It actually pays off to be nice to people in Classic. Being in a guild actually feels essential and important in the game. Having to walk around everywhere till 40+ makes you appreciate the work that went into the maps and world instead of just flying over everything and missing the aesthetics and environment. It isn't this straight edge, linear game. YOU choose basically how you want to play the game. From where to quest, to which mob does what, to which profession you wanna take on, how you want your talent tree to be. Will there be consequences? WHO KNOWS! That's part of the fun. The learning experience. I am super stoked about TBC. I can't wait to basically take a step back in time and relive what my roommate got to, all those years ago. I am preparing for my BE BM Hunter, which I am pretty sure is going to be my main. Just looking into the classes, races attributes, skills, talents, etc of the classes. I got so pumped and excited thinking about the adventure to come.
@ZapatosVibes
3 жыл бұрын
"What makes a MMO good is making the game an actual MMO." BIG TRUE. Retail WoW feels more like a mobile cell game than a MMO, sadge.
@jasonn5196
3 жыл бұрын
I too share your love of TBC, I just hope retail doesn't take away from it. I have very high hopes, maybe I shouldn't.
@Startrance85
3 жыл бұрын
i really enjoyed Shadowlands leveling from 50 to 60, but once i got to 60 in Shadowlands i quickly returned to WoW Classic. Retail have very little to keep me entertained for the game, meanwhile in WoW Classic i can easy make my own adventure and focus on things myself want.
@seldomsane5278
3 жыл бұрын
Good vid mate. Yeah, I haven't played retail since WoD. I really hated the direction the game was going. Tbh, I didn't play MoP much either. Looking forward to stepping trough the portal once again in Classic TBC though :)
@gsp1995
3 жыл бұрын
The perfect WoW would be one like TBC but with transmogification, barber shop and the High-Res models
@H3nrikClaus3n
3 жыл бұрын
I hate Transmog, may it never come to Classic Expansions. if you wanna look nice! get the tier sets :) not these phony skins on your gear
@joshholden9391
3 жыл бұрын
There is only 1 reason and it is this. Tbc was developed by people for people who loved the game. Not people who want to attarct a new audience and change everything.
@randomrandom7208
3 жыл бұрын
It's because " people who loved the game" left 10 years ago and didn't give a shit about the game, so there is no choice but seek for a new audience.
@202adr
3 жыл бұрын
@@randomrandom7208 That's braindead... cause everybody now leaves the game after the first patch comes around and comes back for a new expansion like bots every year. Waist of money on a expansion with less content then older version and patches that makes older content within worthless. BC Released with 6 out of 9 raids and 15 out of16 dungeons and arena with new BG eye of the storm, even though the arena season wasn't active yet. Shadowlands released with arena and 1 raid and a BG. Explain to me what keeps you playing retail when there's nothing to do except repeat stuff with no variety of content. Even the dailies in BC where unique and felt different. Dailies in retail are the same just under a multitude of different factions and become worthless when the next patch comes in.
@randomrandom7208
3 жыл бұрын
@@202adr This is not what I pointed out in my reply. All I said is that a lot of people who loved tbc are long gone, so developers need to look for a new audience. And all the roots of this lie in WotLK, which many consider the pinnacle of the game, it was an accurate model for all future add-ons, everything they have ever done since then tried to fix its many flaws. I didn't give a damn about the dailies in the original tbc after the first time it was as boring as the dailies in retail, it was a repeatable source of money, nothing more. Dungeons were fun, but they started to lose relevance as soon as you were able to clear Kara, and when you enter t5, you no longer need them, so entering TK or SSC means no content outside the raid and money / reagent. grind. I really like tbc, but that was 15 years ago, I was young and I was a bad player with no reliable sources of information about it, but then it was challenging for me. Now I can push keys, at least, and yes, it's basically the same content over and over, but it's difficult to the point where I feel satisfied when I complete it.
@V4mplr3
3 жыл бұрын
I'm hating retail just because we don't know what to expect from week to week... Covenant nerfs, neverending class nerfs and buffs, we don't have a clue what to expect... Sucks...
@bithon5242
3 жыл бұрын
Blizzard rarely does patches classes inbetween patches.
@thirdeyespirit7530
3 жыл бұрын
TBC was the best WoW Blizzard ever had to offer.. Yes better than Vanilla or Classic n WoTLK.
@thirdeyespirit7530
3 жыл бұрын
Will you be prepared!?!
@megamanx627
3 жыл бұрын
I don't agree wrath is the best over all
@Therealfjood
3 жыл бұрын
I find Wotlk to be better but that can change cuz I started playing wow in tbc, so I did not get to raid or do HC dungeons cuz of school and shit like that and I was a noob aswell, but time will tell :) but I love outlands
@megamanx627
3 жыл бұрын
@Chouette WoW Well OK it my thing with wrath I will agree that The Herero dungeons were way too easy they really weren't heroic. Except for the ones at the very end and even those got really easy over time The other big problem with wrath was the raise of my people dislike it so much was well. Yes lfd and For whatever reason blizzard kept on changing the raid system and every single major patch in that's really what it was. The thing is a lot of people will sit there and say try a crusader was a terrible rage know and actually wasn't The problem was is you had for lockouts a week so you were literally just doing nothing but try the crusader On top of all Dar. Great raid but can you say burn out anymore
@ruketraider5319
2 жыл бұрын
The reason we all like old wow more is cuz it’s nostalgic, we remember the past as feeling better than it rly was, it is better than retail at the moment but not by much
@Ichbinsprachlos
3 жыл бұрын
10:50 It's exactly the Opposite, take a Shadow Priest in BC for an Example there are 2 viable Builds to play it, a pvp and a pve build and when you mess up 1 Point in the wrong Talent you instantly get flamed for doing so, so no Freedom at all in this System. Second there aren't really any benefits from the Talentsystem at all. 80% of them are flat Stats with a few abilities you have to take no matter what and if you take them your damage rotation doesn't change at all. Imagine playing Shadow without Vampiric Touch in Tbc.
@denizcakr3943
3 жыл бұрын
You are right.And Melee dps is so boring at tbc,for example warrior they have no animations and i dont get hit feeling when i do quests and dungeons..
@swiftsorrow428
3 жыл бұрын
does anyone know if when we switch server we can switch from a RPPVP to just PVP servers? I was on a RPPVP server but all my friends left and i stopped leveling at 46. I want to play tbc but not on the server I'm on. if we can't I'm still going back and forth if I want to stay horde or reroll ally and start over. thanks for any help.
@swiftjuice168
3 жыл бұрын
As long as your initial realm is PvP (including RPPvP) then you can transfer to regular PvP realms.
@swiftsorrow428
3 жыл бұрын
@@swiftjuice168 thanks 😊
@swiftjuice168
3 жыл бұрын
@@swiftsorrow428 You're very welcome.
@supersolenoid
3 жыл бұрын
I'm aware this sounds easy to say with hindsight but, I swear, back in 2007 I knew from the very moment I was told about the 10 extra added levels that things were going to get dire pretty soon. And my feelings were confirmed at launch, when anything done prior to TBC was made pointless: in the name of resetting the start, thus allowing new players to enter the game without the drawback of not having played vanilla. It probably made sense, from a certain point of view, but that was also what doomed the game to a serialized, mindnumbing repetion of questing through 10 more levels every two years, gating endgame behind an unnecessary (and not fun) burden. As long as Blizzard don't understand that boar-killing is acceptable for the first few levels at most and that, anyway, at a certain level cap the game has to truly change and that every expansion must essentially "endgame" from day 1, this game is done for.
@kfiercescene
3 жыл бұрын
Class synergy is what I loved in tbc and wished they improved on into wrath like shadow priests and locks buffing each other and fire mages/locks esc It felt more like saving the world with the help of ur friends
@Permuh
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewshandle it's probably not gonna matter to those who aren't trying to speed clear/top logs. Content will be cleared regardless.
@sumbody694
3 жыл бұрын
1. TBC started fixing all the MAJOR class/spec problems and made everyone a bit more viable to play 2. TBC added all the extra content we where supposed to get in classic so its basically classic plus 3. TBC reduces the amount of people needed to raid making it more accessible
@Chumly1776
3 жыл бұрын
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes.
@mastersheld5463
3 жыл бұрын
Great video ! You put words on what i feel since the end of wotlk.
@argacc9434
3 жыл бұрын
No zone like Nagrand
@wusscake
3 жыл бұрын
I would be cautiously optimistic for TBC classic. With the addition of the level boost, I suspect Blizzard is up to its old tricks again.
@moguide4841
3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video. On which private Server do you "play" do take all this footage ? I also want to get an instant lvl 70 just to try some classes out.
@Senus1993
3 жыл бұрын
Ok its time to face the wrath of your fanbase, I rly like your videos btw. I will try to show you my point of view as a retail player, who is raiding mythic 2 times a week for 3 and a half hour. Going point by point just like you. 1. Adventure - you said that TBC is more sandboxy, that players can take is from whatever side they want, thats true, but thats because quests have little to no value in storytelling. Also about that leveling process, in retail you are leveling fast just to reach a lategame, thats true, but in TBC tahts even worse, you rush to lvl 70 just to face a wall in reps, atounments, I get it, it was a way of progression but definetly not fun, the way that people in your guild are expecting to finish all the atounments in first week of expack. 2. Thats actually true, I miss quests that were actually walls that i couldnt tackle alone. Game went into a not so good direction that only social thinks you have to do are guild activities. Proffesions are also the think that the retail is missing. 3. What grind ? In retail actually there is no grind whatsoever, almost all activities you are doing, that are kinda mandatory, are connected to a player power. Its kinda not fair that you are talking about Shadowlands, showing the BFA content which, thats true, was too heavy in grinding. In addition TBC grinds were much more mandatory than even BFA ones (again atounments) 4. HOW, how class design is better in TBC than in any other expack after TBC, most classes are useless in some scenarios, there is so much dead specs... You are talking about priest taking VT "to give mana to other players", thats SO not true, priests were taking it because it dealt DAMAGE, if it wouldnt 1% of shadow would pick it, same goes to ENCH, they were not taking 10% ap for others but for themself. 5.About talents, I also miss the old points system, it had more RPG feel to it, but that system had flaws also, you are saying that there was so much builds. There wasnt ! There were 1 for PVE and 1 for PVP thats all. I dont think that TBC is bad, and i dont think that Shadowlands are the best, like i said those are 2 different games, TBC was developed in time when I was young, and I have great memories, but I know that the time invesment for me is not worth it, because its not new, all bosses will die 1 shot, because people know exactly what is happening and how to tacle everything, for me its just not fun, and Shadowlands are, because its new, and i dont need 40 hours a week to play it. Thanks for reading if anyone did
@Eckylis
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of aspects of the old talent tree being interesting, but really, here's some stuff to consider: The illusion of choice. The Blizzard devs, even during Vanilla amongst themselves had conversations covering the concept of choice and how it wasn't really existing with how the talents developed. Sure, there's some niche ways to develop yourself, but realistically nobody was utilizing these niches, and if they did they likely performed significantly worse than their "meta" peers. There was just no real reason to spec as such. As a result, the new talent tree was developed in MOP in order to fundamentally simplify but also in general smooth out the playing field for all involved. While it's simple to say this "dumbed down" the game and is "insulting" towards players, in reality it just made choice less annoying back then. It's also very arguable that the result of these changes in MOP made the game more fun to play and that class design was at its absolute peak during that expac.
@menndoess9627
3 жыл бұрын
Love the fable music...at least it sounded like it! Great video tho!
@healmyvision5941
3 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure it is
@Kyko123
3 жыл бұрын
hey man, a video idea. i think many ppl gonna lvl a fresh char to lvl 60 to play it in tbc when it pops. could u do a video how i can prepare this character the best way for a smooth start in tbc?
@BloodWolfy
3 жыл бұрын
Try SLG and sire mythic, and let me know if you still feel like a god.
@stavrosdk6891
3 жыл бұрын
You say the truth BUT out of the elite context that the majority of players can NOT join the game is like a single player game I personal enjoy the raid and m 5 at retail because I miss the skill and min max experience to complete those mythics at higher level and I find my self to farm the daily wq or covenants quests to take my 3 free hours for games to be boring and not so reward... at the other hand at classic I feel the game as an mmo o ask help for guildies etc.
@paulchengformayor
3 жыл бұрын
While I agree with many points you stated, I do want to express why I think the talent system example is a poor example. This is not to say that Blizzard has done the best job balancing the new talent system or has even picked the best re-design option of the talent system. I also want to preface this by saying that I like the old talent trees better, but they do present some very major flaws as you gain more points. In BFA, with the old talent system, there would have been 111 talent points to spend for 12 classes and 36 specs. My presumption with so many talent points to spend, the individual power of each talent will drop as expansions roll out and you gain more points to spend. There would be an overwhelming amount of locked in talents that are 'mandatory' (one example would be fury warriors Cruelty talent) These talents, while useful are not fun or interesting, and there would be so much more of these kinds of talents with more levels. Now having to balance all 36 specs for 111 talent points and you can begin to see how uninspired these talent trees would become. Again, this is not to say that the current talents are balanced or fun, but if you currently think that this system is bad, I can only imagine it would have been worse with the old system.
@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse
3 жыл бұрын
No world quests , no chorghast, no covenants , more than just end game gear matters.
@johnwick9367
3 жыл бұрын
After i quit on cataclysm i went to play tbc pservers, and my problem with tbc was that a casual player who loves to do arena, you have to play meta classes or you wont br competitive in arena, cuz they fidnt quite balance it out...for me Wotlk was the golden age
@krinkle7695
2 жыл бұрын
I like to dabble in retail every now and again, it's definitely a 'fancy' looking game but always go back to classic, feels like lvl up means something, the only thing I wish in tbc hunters ranged weapon was displayed on their backs
@mypizzaisburnt7904
3 жыл бұрын
Is that the Fable soundtrack at start???
@riversidenz2294
3 жыл бұрын
Even tho I agree with most of the video, I don't agree with the adventure concept at #1. You weren't exactly "free" since the zones had a level requirement to get the quests or even to be able to "do them". On the other hand I understand what you mean, not everything is tied to a single questline, each zone has its story.
@samacvuk
3 жыл бұрын
I played retail TBC back in the day, flying killed socializing on the world and world pvp but a LOT of group quests for attunements and even dailies.
@EB-bl6cc
3 жыл бұрын
retail is not a high bar to be honest although I guess shadowlands is an improvement on bfa so we'll give them that. I don't think retail can be saved, there's too much shitty bloat that needs to be torn out and they won't do it. We will need a WoW 2 / some kind of complete revamp for retail WoW to ever be great again.
@elcreyo
3 жыл бұрын
To me the most annoying thing about Retail was the whole forced story thing with never ending dialogues and in some cases unskippable cutscenes. Personally I'm not a fan of cutscenes in WoW.
@thebric4303
3 жыл бұрын
“You think you want classic, but you don’t “ that well summarise the dev’s mindset. They are just completely disconnected from their community.
@ItsAllCulturalMarxism
2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of tbc because that had the best memories but I want all the conveniences of retail
@Pablochette98
3 жыл бұрын
I would just just make a video called why any old expansion will be better than retail, but money is money
@Mazxlol
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t remember a single zone or dungeon name since MOP.. all zones and gear and story are forgettable. On the other hand in TBC for example I remember almost every singe mob on the entire out lands, I remember all dungeons and bosses mechanics etc. it’s easy - you remember stuff that is fun and forget the boring useless stuff
@DaveAva
3 жыл бұрын
I know what you're saying and I agree about the social aspects... but I'm sure I'm not the only one who struggles to talk to people... Speaking to people I don't know is nerve-wracking and LFG makes that so much easier, yes it's repetitive and it gets so boring sometimes, but retail is more accessible to anyone
@darknight602
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@kevinjs26
3 жыл бұрын
Not having Dual Spec will be the death of me.
@PendlayRoe
3 жыл бұрын
The leveling in shadowlands is great for your main character, but every alts feels like a chore. You literally can't choose which story you want to experience, want to fully do Revendreth again on a Venthyr alt? Nope, can't do that unless you complete all the other zones first. Talk about theme park experience.
@voodoo1069
3 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a player that really only enjoys playing M+ these days. It is expected that you can do damage and sure sometimes that is what you do but almost every class brings utility and if you want to start pushing into the late teens low 20s your never going to stand out as a person I want to bring again if all you can do is thump your chest and say me do best dps. The difference in smoothness of the run really comes out when you has people that actively use their utility well. In classic and to a lesser extent tbc you don't get that feeling that you are both a good dps but you also bring a lot to a group and let your unique skill shine. You just either to lack luster to average dps and bring good utility or you bring great dps and little to no utility. Why can't you do both bring competive damage and have the option to shine as a skilled player because you understand how to use your utility. Maybe my prospective is off because back in the day I mained a warrior that was mostly a dps mechanic and had very limited utility and now I main a balance druid that bring dozens of utility options to a group and can do top dps. I just don't get how it is fun to mainly lift someone else up and not have a chance to shine as well in your roll as dps.
@Jesus-bs5fl
3 жыл бұрын
I agree that we should keep it constructive in chat. That being said, retail is a steaming pile of crap in a dumpster fire.
@SlumpdWiz
3 жыл бұрын
doesnt matter, dont play a game where the CEO fires over 150 people and takes a 200m dollar bonus.
@alexchism5192
3 жыл бұрын
There is that...
@nastynotch8314
3 жыл бұрын
Yup, the social aspect is annoying and rewarding! In retail, I can gear the hell out, and never once say a word.... that’s not cool. Like being able to just do the raid regardless of skill isn’t cool, I’ve sucked ass some weeks, and guess what, I had to pay the consequences for that, that guy waiting to move into the main raid gets the tryout, but it makes you to strive to be a better player, and try to help progress the guild! Being excited to down stuff together! Like being with my guild and struggling then boom! We down saph and KT on first try! A feat still not accomplished by so many!
@DirkDien
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, your Orc literally looked like Grom Hellscream! Great design!
@Balloonbot
3 жыл бұрын
That's the orc heritage armor
@stormdaddy928
3 жыл бұрын
I leveled my character on classic, but ima just say it. the game is anything but "the adventure" in classic. Im not saying their way of playing is wrong or bad...but it isn't about any journey or adventure. Maybe when classic first came out, but not right now. Cant wait to ride that first wave of TBC this time around. Because i missed it in classic and the leveling can actually be a drag when you get told "just buy a mage run" when you cant find a damn DPS for a run.
@MRkriegs
3 жыл бұрын
Disagree. I think you are following the meta too much. It's called go out in the world and quest and forge your own path.
@Quplas
3 жыл бұрын
About class design, I definitely think TBC is better than retail in this regards, but there's still some glaring balance issues. Melee dps is just too weak for example. Shaman stacking is just not good for the game. Overall TBC is by far better but think there's still plenty of room for improvement in TBC class design.
@RCmetal11
3 жыл бұрын
Hate to be the one to say it. But, i think the talents in retail are just better. Sure, you get the :"illusion" of choice in classic. But 9/10 times you have to follow the same old cookie cutter build if you want to get anything done. Im leveling a new character now, and i swear, half the time i couldnt give half a shit when i get a talent point because it gives me "+2% wand damage" or something, its just so boring. At least in retail, each talent row is extremely impactful and build defining. I do like the old talent system, but its definitely not great game design when 90% of the talents are boring number increases.
@Keilink
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who played Shaman in Classic Vanilla I agree to some extent but not completely, the fact that you can pick talents from any specs allows you to make hybrid builds to suit your own needs. A concreat exemple would be that shaman had 2 DPS specs, but technically had 3 since you could cross elemental and enhancement to really make a mix of both, with its strength and weaknesses compared to the 2 others obviously. So it's not really just an "illusion of choice", even if in the end most of people will follow a meta, yes (but in that case let's push it to an extrem and remove talents all together), this leaves way more room for theory crafting than retails current system.
@RCmetal11
3 жыл бұрын
@@Keilink yeah sure you CAN go hybrid. But if you ever wanna be taken seriously you won't. That's why I said "illusion". You CAN do whatever you want, but not without gimping yourself. At least in retail, your class and spec functions well with talents just augmenting that.
@jasonn5196
3 жыл бұрын
Oh and what about those epic world drops that make killing millions of mobs worth while. And it taking upto a week to make 10 gold on a new character. And the low level PvP gear and your first epic bracer at level 40. And using "who" to whisper every single person within 7 levels of your toon to make a dungeon group.
@PazuChill
3 жыл бұрын
I wish we could have a WoW that combined BC's class balance and level of raid/dungeon/encounter design with the sprawling sense of adventure and sheer scope of Vanilla. BC is great but while it improved the game in some respects it took a step backwards in others. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get the best of both worlds - at least not from Blizzard.
@tarb1320
3 жыл бұрын
There is nothing retail does better imo other than more detailed raid fights and graphical upgrades, that's literally it. I wouldn't mind if they upgraded TBC classic with some of the graphical upgrades, upright Orcs for example.
@drewa3597
3 жыл бұрын
wotlk was the peak of wow, can't wait for wotlk classic
@Mystery_Box-
3 жыл бұрын
you guys got Pizza and didnt share with me?
@holymacr0
3 жыл бұрын
Ya dungeon finder and raid finder made the zones feel empty. In classic some of the best pvp is outside a raid or dungeon. You said it all very well. I loved the game through wotlk. It slowly got worse for me each expansion until I didn't even enjoy the game anymore.
@megamanx627
3 жыл бұрын
OK 1st thing with world PVPI think you're literally talking about the exception not the rule lets be honest most of the time. With world PVP before they got rid pvp Servers as a whole most of the time if you were either one on the dominant faction you just either crushed to the point where are the other faction didn't matter or you are just being constantly grief. Yeah sure every once in a great while you would have these epic skirmishes by its I mean it's very rare OK class design um this is kind of a preference thing OK it really depends I personally think class design was over all at its best in wrath. Mainly because you still had a lot of classes that didn't field complete everybody felt over all strong in wrath ret paladins boom Cans in other classes they still felt weak. As far as DPS goes yes you would take them for the buffs that they would give but it's still cannot felt Lake deal really need that buff that badd you know or could you get that buff from a healer. Because he know the DPS you're gonna do is nothing special you now Not only that I would make an argument I don't think every single class was built to make your raid better. I mean hunters they have the 1D buff in survival but beast mastery does better damage and as far as warlocks go yeah they do bring your tilloughby but you're not spanking into that utility you're going SLSL. And your but doing that build for the damage because it's broken I mean I didn't a little silly to say O it was better when oh I know my damage is crab but I bring this one buff to the raid so I feel more special. Not only that I would make an argument that classes are a lot harder to play and it's a lot harder to master. You're not a one button class there is not a single 1 button class and all of retail. Now don't get me wrong I'm not on the retail train there's a reason I'm not playing it but when I'm trying to say is I don't necessarily agree to say classes are better mbc than the are in retail I think they're just different. The talent system I do agree that it was a better system the problem is at the end of the day almost everybody is really gonna use the same belts because when you everybody knows what's Best Buy which you use anything else. And I think you're stretching a little bit blizzard didn't change the talent system because they thought their playerbase were idiots they realized well most people pick the same build more than 30%. I mean there is just certain talents that you were not get a get unity mean by give you an arms Warrior you're getting mortal strike you know. Things of that nature now granted don't mistake me I don't like the new talent system either do I like the specialization system yes. But I think they took it the wrong direction I think they should have used the Specialization system as an outlying then you really get into the nitty gritty in your talents but they didn't do that Not only that can you imagine how how much of a mess that could possibly be like imagine if we had a talent tree at level 120. That's really the other reason
@Zoozio
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the bring the class not the player philosophy is better. Then again your class doesn't really matter in retail, which I wouldn't say is good too. They should find the middle road.
@e1LaY
3 жыл бұрын
People changed, not the game. Play non-meta class in tbc and you will quickly learn it. Anyone is minmaxing, watching tier lists, guides, streams.
@presticles123
3 жыл бұрын
If you think the game didnt change you are delusional
@BuTbKa112
3 жыл бұрын
Even x9999 pvp cataclysm private servers are better than shadowlands.
@Therealfjood
3 жыл бұрын
No, just no
@majortomsdmf1
3 жыл бұрын
Cata pvp was the peak hands down
@Therealfjood
3 жыл бұрын
@@majortomsdmf1 I never pvp'ed so that might be :)
@majortomsdmf1
3 жыл бұрын
@@Therealfjood Everyone that hates on cata say the same
@Therealfjood
3 жыл бұрын
@@majortomsdmf1 everyone can't be wrong? can they?
@zjarosz
3 жыл бұрын
Man i cant wait to hit Chain lightning then lightning bolt 3 times over and over again
@arisuaozora
3 жыл бұрын
Anything can be better than SL , even touching grass at the garden
@kameleonls1
3 жыл бұрын
wow this sums up all my frustrations in 10 minutes.... i hope blizzard opens their eyes and sees where the money is in WoW!
@TheKensei777
2 жыл бұрын
happy to hear it. i hate retail. i am enjoying tbc very much and i dont mind the slight exp boost.))
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