Appreciate you brother! If there's anything I can do to help you in Life or Business please email me anytime at electricalcodecoach@gmail.com
@lonnie54321
2 жыл бұрын
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@MrDlt123
2 жыл бұрын
I just ground everything to the guest bed my mother-in-law uses when she stays overnight. Win-win.
@armandde1
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a electrician, nor do I play one on TV, but I think I've learned enough to know what I'm looking at in my 92 year old house. Thanks....
@mikezimmerman2786
2 жыл бұрын
Learned a lot about residential electrical over 50 years ago. I recently am buying a 1950’s house and plan to rewire as much as I can. Thanks for your informative video it was very well done. I may have to explore these methods.
@tago8039
3 жыл бұрын
Stumbled on your video after watching hours of other ones that left me unsure about how to deal with no ground. After seeing your suggestions are to code I know what I need to do now. I can't thank you enough. Sincerely
@davidmarquardt9034
8 ай бұрын
One of the problems with GFCI's is in older houses (mine is 1950) they used really small, shallow box's, just enough to fit a standard toggle switch or outlet (steel must been very expensive back then). All the GFCI's I've seen are like double the size and I could just barely squeeze them in after wiring them up.
@solotag1
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! As a 40 year wireman and 26+ year C10, C7 licensed contractor I get so much out of your work, skills, videos. Such a treat to hear and see that your so stoked every morning on educating and keeping the craft at its very best. It fires me up ! Great stuff even though I am pretty familiar but makes me feel great for what I do for the cause also. Tip of the hat ! It's just soothing man to know that there is a great educator out there. I am passing my skills on to my son👍so he may carry the torch into the future. Take care Coach✌
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you brother. Let's go!!
@ProsperCraft
3 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best video on the subject I have watched! Thank you!
@mitchzeeb5253
2 жыл бұрын
Bro, I learned so much from you video. Selling a house and I need to change ungrounded to grounded outlet and you captured everything I need to do it! Thank you so much for a very excellent video!! Fantastic! 10 stars bro!!
@eugenechan9875
2 жыл бұрын
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@wulipondcatforeverwild3156
3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, you are a real Super Hero. Thank you for your knowledge share and the excellent way you do it. I just bought an old home (a camp that was “upgraded “ to become 4-season) that has so many open ground outlets ( and so many hot & neutral reversed). The former owner was a clueless DIYer. So now I’ve contacted a couple of electricians to do corrections. Coming from a position of ignorance I was very uncomfortable at not being able to understand what they intend to do to fix my situation. Plus, the sticker shock I had when they gave me their quotes!! They said it will take them a long time just finding out which outlet goes to which breaker. So, by educating myself, I undertook some basic initial steps to at least cut down on the labor hours. I bought a Klein ET310 circuit breaker finder. I used the tester on each one and noted the wiring as indicated by the tester (correct, reversed, open ground, etc. ). I wrote down my findings about each outlet. I used the finder pen to verify what breaker services what outlet, and wrote them down for my reference. That process required a lot of going back and forth between Panel and outlet location. I see how that process alone will add to an electrician’s bill. But now I feel good. Not only have I shaved off cost to a potential bill (when I do finally hire an electrician), I also know what to expect of his services. I can confidently ask him to upgrade the breakers to AFCI/GFCI where it’s needed. I can ask him to verify my findings of the outlets and switches, and do the fix. If he suggests more or other repairs, I’ll be able to verify instead of blindly trusting him. Ordinary folks like me can be empowered through knowledge, and be able to strike that balance between respecting a professional for his expertise and looking out that we don’t get taken advantage of. Again, thank you for this channel!!
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome! Awesome story! Welcome to the community!!!
@tetreaulthank4068
Жыл бұрын
Can’t thank you enough ! After searching many other channels for a code acceptable open fix, yours by far is the absolute best going into the most depth. No need to go to any other uTube channel after finding yours ! Thank you
@Blackinterceptor999
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! My house was built sometime around 1940 and some of the rooms still have the old wiring and no ground...unfortunately I didn't realize this till AFTER I bought a replacement heavy duty receptacle, they may have been labeled before but over the years plates get changed and stickers go away, I didn't know about the breaker which would be a quick way to solve all this mess. Although if I could I'd rewire it all brand new with the latest and greatest receptacle's with ground and protections.
@jeff5279
Жыл бұрын
Black to Brass. B to B. That's how I tell folks to identify where the neutral and the hot get connected. If you go with B to B then that only leaves the silver screws for the neutral. Green is Ground. Gr to Gr. Ground wire to the Green screw.
@noconsentgiven
Жыл бұрын
I thank God for you🙏❤️👍!! Keep 'em coming Coach!!
@bobbyh6293
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Knowledge Coach! Houston Texas 🤟🏾
@joesanford8387
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have done several electrical projects around the house but was stumped by an open ground issue lately. This showed me the solution as I installed a "rework" gang box into an existing metal system where the ground was on being handled by the outlet itself. Thanks Coach!!
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Let's go!
@noconsentgiven
2 жыл бұрын
You took me back to high school with the playbook drawings👍😂❤️, thanks man.
@johnmckee7937
9 ай бұрын
LOTS of bad advice on this subject on other sites! Watch out for terms like this is how I do it. Excellent! Back up with code references and explanations. Remember your ground must go back to main panel, not to water pipe like Main was grounded before I had panel replaced.
@leh3827
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@leh3827
Жыл бұрын
I directed 'video joe knows' to your channel by leaving a link on his channel. He was not being clear in some aspects regarding the grounding of non grounded 2 prong recepticles. Thanks for your channel!
@gordogo
2 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation and you saved me from digging out my code book . Thanks
@Cosme422
2 жыл бұрын
It’s like using the word “we” to remember west and east but instead L for Large Left B for Black on Brass. LL & BB
@jeffreylonigro1382
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ElectricalCodeCoach
Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@billminckler6550
Жыл бұрын
Very very helpful! Thank you for the extra safety options! 👏
@tonywagner4836
2 жыл бұрын
a couple of questions: What are the labeling requirements when using the breaker method? If I have a customer that wants grounding wires and i use the green wire method can i pull a single wire to each receptacle and use a grounding bus bar in the basement as a terminal block and then run a single home run to the panel or other grounding point? If i use either method, under 2020 am i required to provide afci and gfci to those circuits i work on or update all circuits?
@sntcz8
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all this information! You explained it so well.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome!
@cantweallgetalong
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, I have always been told and seen on other YT videos that using a ground from the panel to ground a new 3 prong at the non grounded 2 prong location was illegal. The thought was if you can run a new ground wire, then you should be replacing the whole wire. Is this a new update to the U.S code or what? I got a quote from a 5 star yelper for $150 per location, that worked out to about $20K for small 1200 sq ft home. LOl.
@xxlee1019
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I have the confidence for this project in my old house but it feels good to have an idea as to what's happening and what's needed. Thank you!
@luisalcala8559
Жыл бұрын
I love the information in this video coach! A lot of helpful information.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
Жыл бұрын
Let's go!!
@kylejoyner5701
2 жыл бұрын
I bought an older home with a mix of grounded receptacles and non-grounded receptacles. Most all of the receptacles were replaced previously with new 3-prong receptacles, some GFI even though not grounded. Questions. 1. Can my electrician install AFCI/GFCI breakers just for the circuits that do not have grounded receptacles and leave the regular breakers in for properly grounded circuits? 2. Do any of the receptacles in a circuit that don’t have grounds but are protected by an AFCI/GFCI breaker need at least one GFI receptacle in the circuit? 3. Can a whole house surge protector be installed along with AFCI/GFCI breakers? Thanks in advance! 😃
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
I recommend that you don't take any of my advice and definitely work with your electrical inspector Afci/gfci breakers will satisfy your open ground issues most likely Additional GFCI receptacles are not necessary Whole home surge protection will have no effect
@VideoJoeKnows
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome info...Just subscribed! I like the last method the best. Thanks for all the info...nice job!
@jeffm2787
3 жыл бұрын
Had a broken ground somewhere in my old house to a single bathroom outlet, after a long time trying to track it down I did the GFCI with no equipment ground sticker. When I sold the home an inspector of course noted the GFCI didn't work as he of course just stuck in one of the basic testers and pushed the button. It worked just fine if you used the GFCI test button. Home inspectors are useless most of the time. Same inspector missed things I was expecting to get called out on and suggested changing items that made zero sense to anyone.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah man they can be rough, thanks for sharing!
@joerostkowski7313
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed that's why they have that stipulation in the inspection that they only report what they can see. They have a wiggy and outlet tester, they don't unscrew outlet covers or know electricity beyond what test they took to get licensed.
@JasonJFlippingLife
2 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to add a link in the description to the afc breaker installation video. Thanks for the detailed explanations.
@coloradostrong
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I am not alone in this 2 prong debacle. Maybe at the top of the list tho. The house was built in the mid 40's-50's and still has...screw in fuses, coming from these Vienna sausage shaped mains fuses. The mains wire is 60 amp total. The linemen I talked to had never heard of any incoming wiring less than 150 amps. At least the house is not using bare wires wrapped around a glass insulator. All I want is a proper ground for a uninterruptible power supply. Good vid, thanks.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah man they put in alot of 60 amps original boxes!!
@coloradostrong
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricalCodeCoach Like the Christmas Story movie, when the dad plugs in the tree, you have to make certain the micro is not on when something else is running.
@RyTheFly
Жыл бұрын
Where have you been all my adulting life? 😆Thank you so much for this very informative teaching moment. New sub!
@bambambundy6
3 жыл бұрын
I knew of three but I'm not an electrician. Great video will suggest to my friends!!
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! And thank you!
@vdarr1
Жыл бұрын
Great video... I have 2 grounds in outlet..2 lead coming in...reads open ground..please direct me to your learning videos..I had it hooked up once and all walls worked...then when I secured it no longer working
@leeannafish1764
2 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you for keeping us safe good info
@donmarion8808
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@USSComstock
2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year 2022 Mr. Coach! I love the way you go through the code and showing/explaining the process at the same time - You are an awesome Sparky! Much admiration- Please keep up the good work. I am now a new subscriber.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@teardowniscool
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks coach for such a great information!
@inspectorron403
2 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming if you choose only to add the AFCI/GFCI breakers as mentioned around 12:00 then ALL new 3 prong outlets you install on those circuits would have to be labeled "NO EQUIPMENT GROUND" correct? Great video thanks!!
@ElectricalCodeCoach
Жыл бұрын
Correct
@Sparky-ww5re
2 жыл бұрын
Here's a rare non grounding situation, but one worth mentioning. What if I have a fixed piece of equipment. In this example I have an electric water heater, connected to old 2 wire no ground NM. And let's assume the water heater is NOT installed in the basement where it's easy to simply replace the old wire with a piece of 10/2 w/G NM for example some very old houses have the water heater in the attic where fishing a new cable or wire would be very impractical depending on the layout of the house. Could we use a two pole, 30 amp GFCI breaker to achieve the same protection as a non ground receptacle?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Several methods will satisfy this, definitely work with your electrical inspector GFCI protection would be considered
@hooptydreams7419
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I actually learned something.
@ApolloniusOfTyana0
2 жыл бұрын
Very informative! I had a single outlet without ground protection and was wondering if I could go to the outlet's ground that's a foot away. I installed a GFCI instead just because I didn't want to risk it. I don't really know how to fish a ground wire through a stud in the way without tearing up the wall :/
@markokastellon5359
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the two prong to GFCI receptacle test.
@stokesmosquitoandoutdoorpe2240
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for cleat concise information!
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome!!
@Mrdealornodeal618
2 жыл бұрын
This is great... Thank you
@shawnphillips1220
2 жыл бұрын
Such a great video. Cudos to you and anyone who viewed this. A little on why I'm educating myself. I bought an older home and it needs updated. My breaker panel is a pushmatic (JUNK) but still functions properly. I can't do much in the panel. All outlets that I'm aware of are 2 prongs. I'm not sure if any are grounded and assuming they're not. I can't afford to rewire the whole house or update the panel just yet. If I'm understanding this video correctly, my ONLY option at this time is swapping out 2 prong outlets for GFCI outlets, correct? Question 2.... Would I need to find "the first" 2 pronged outlet on the circuit in order to change it out for a GFCI and then change the remaining outlets on the same circuit to a normal 3 prong? I heard you say after the GFCI, you can change out all others downstream to a normal 3 prong out. How would I determine what is "downstream" since I don't know the wiring layout. All I know right now is which outlets are on the same circuit by using a circuit breaker identifying kit. Any info is greatly appreciated!!
@sigcrazy7
Жыл бұрын
Note about why the outlet should be labeled “No Equipment Ground” after installing a GFCI. Primarily, it let’s the end user know that a type 3 SPD will not work. Any “power strip” style SPD works by clamping transient voltage to ground, with that ground being non-existent using the GFCI method. In reality, 99% of people would be clueless or don’t read instructions when they buy something, so they’ll plug their SPD in anyway and then wonder why their TV got fried. It’s kinda funny, because most people demand those two-prong outlets be replaced so that they can plug in their surge protector. The GFCI method will make them ignorantly happy, I guess. At least they’ll be safe compared to a two to three prong adapter with the EGC pigtail hanging in the wind.☠
@tedlahm5740
3 жыл бұрын
Clear concise information.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment!!! If there's anything I can do to help you in Life or business please just email me anytime at electricalcodecoach@gmail.com
@Grandrise-o4i
Жыл бұрын
Very very imfomative.Thanks bunch.
@Roy-ij1wq
Жыл бұрын
I recently purchased a house that was built in 1951 with two strand wire in metal boxes installed in plaster walls. It appears that the original ground wire was attached to a copper water pipe on the opposite end of the house from the water main. This was upgraded by running 6 ga. insulated green copper wire from the main panel to the water main where it enters the house. When I began to replace the two prong outlets with 3 prong outlets I noticed that the metal boxes appear to be grounded. Does this satisfy the code? Also, I am using the more expensive outlets with a copper grounding strip that holds the bottom mounting screw in place like that shown for the GFCI outlet at 10:13 in the video. The two prong replacement outlet shown at 6:52 in the video uses cardboard to hold both mounting screws in place and is unlikely to bond with a metal box. Inexpensive 3 prong outlets designed for plastic boxes also use cardboard.
@Majestiicc12
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this. Just getting into electrical, since actual, you know, professionals, cost an exorbitant amount of money. Only really looking for household type projects and such. This is really great thank you! I subbed your channel, seems you have a great deal of information that will help me. Well, educationally only, of course...
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Hey brother Welcome!! You may also like my DIY channel! It is a lot more hands on!! kzitem.info/rock/NMfdn_MaY40vQCKjMKOQ1g
@franklicher5468
Жыл бұрын
2prong non grounded receptacle can you connect neutral on a 3prong receptacle to ground screw.
@anonymousperson4363
2 жыл бұрын
I believe fishing a negative is only allowed if the wires are contained in the same conduit.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
This is one time it's allowed to be outside of the conduit or jacket.
@anonymousperson4363
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricalCodeCoach Thanks for the update.
@jrpritchard1622
3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the information i have a better understanding on it you rock electrical code coach
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you bro! Welcome to the community!
@ngarber
8 ай бұрын
It would be easy to run separate ground wires in my crawlspace. What kind of wire is suitable, and how do you properly connect single wire to a J box?
@4delfadelfa
Жыл бұрын
Tell us what to do when you install a gfci/afci breaker and it will not reset because you are protecting a 3-way switch that is sharing a neutral with another circuit...
@boyzinthehood9378
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro appreciate your videos
@machintelligence
3 жыл бұрын
Under number 2 (any accessible point on the grounding electrode conductor) is it allowable to connect to the number 6 bare copper conductor that runs from the main panel to the street side of the water meter? The main water line is copper also.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
as long as is it connected to or is a part of the grounding electrode system you can connected to it Great question!!!
@michaelmassetti4068
2 жыл бұрын
I going to learn a lot from you guys. Thanks
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Let's go!!
@charleswilson4598
Жыл бұрын
I understand the methods of correcting for a missing ground but what I don't understand is how installing a gfci device allows a three-prong receptacle to be used on a two-wire circuit since there is still no ground wire that returns to the power panel. I guess I just don't understand how a gfci works.
@walteralbayero3267
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video thank u coach
@ramirorosiles7448
3 жыл бұрын
2 thumbs up for you from Chicago. Great stuff.
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it bro!
@101yota
Жыл бұрын
Just bought a house, two outlets on the same run say open ground. It’s a 3 prong. The wiring is 12/2 Romex and it does have the ground wire attached to the green. So I’m not understanding where the issue is
@stevewatersIII
Жыл бұрын
If you install the gfci breaker in the panel, and use normal 3 way plugs down the circuit, does this make them ok for equipment ground, no stickers needed??
@terryg2160
Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for this, very helpful. My question on solution #5, do the downstream outlets need to be labeled "No Equipment Ground" as well, since they technically don't have an actual ground conductor?
@jlyn9047
2 жыл бұрын
Do they make a 2 pole receptacle that is child proof ? All receptacles under 5 ‘ have to be child safe . Thanks
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
They sure do
@tmise50
3 жыл бұрын
My house was built in 1948. I’m doing work on it to sell next year. All the receptacles are 2 prong type aside from some that I have replaced with GFCI outlets. Home is very small with a crawl space. Do you think best route to go would be to just run a ground from the panel to the first receptacle in each circuit, then attach a ground to each receptacle to it’s own box? The breaker panel isn’t from 1948, it’s modern with today style breakers. I’m just thinking a bunch of outlets with no equipment ground stickers would turn off potential buyers. Your thoughts?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
I usually opt for the breakers, dual function breakers. In this housing market it's probably not going to matter. Just work with your electrical inspector on what you feel is the best route.
@okaro6595
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a buyer always do renovations anyway do he can fix those the way he wants.
@nathankatz6225
Жыл бұрын
If an outlet is gfci protected can i install a grounding pigtail to the metal box? Would that be considered sufficiently grounded or i still need to label no ground?
@reginaldcouch5821
Жыл бұрын
None of the wires in my sub panel have a ground. My main panel has a good ground. I have wall sockets in my den wired from my main panel with a ground. My kitchen wall sockets are wired from my sub panel with no ground. Can I use the ground from the den to ground my kitchen sockets?
@MakesMeMoist
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully an electrician will see this comment sooner rather than later. So is using this GFCI technology just as good as a traditional ground wire? Will my electronics ie. Computer, tv, appliances be just as protected?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
It is not a replacement for a ground wire.
@winterdesert1
3 жыл бұрын
What is the reason for the "no equipment ground" labeling? You sort of explained it, but is it a warning that the outlet is not safe? I'm trying to understand because if using the GFCI with the labeling is by code, how can it be by code if it is still unsafe? For instance, would using the non-grounded GFCI for a digital piano, or a lamp, or a vacuum still be unsafe?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
That is an excellent question! It's just so the user knows that there is no true equipment ground. So if you're dealing with some type of sensitive Electronics or equipment you know the score!!
@winterdesert1
3 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricalCodeCoach Does the GFCI without a ground reduce the chance of a shock by 50%? 70%? 100%?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
That is a question i cannot answer directly but if there is an imbalance of 4-6 milliamp's of current between the hot an neutral it will shut off.
@machintelligence
3 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricalCodeCoach If you need a true ground to eliminate ground loop hum in hi-fi equipment you pretty much have to run a wire to ground.
@okaro6595
3 жыл бұрын
The reason is that if one tests the outlet and sees that the ground is open he will consider it a code violation. If there is a sticker he knows to expect an open ground. Lack of ground can also in some cases be a problem to equipment and cause problems when you connect equipment especially when they are on. Having just a GFCI and no ground is not ideal. It is not allowed in new installations. It is allowed in old installations as it is better than any ad hoc method (like cutting the ground pin) what people would otherwise do. Lamps and vacuums cleaner are double insulated. They do not care of the ground connection.
@Mickcotton
2 жыл бұрын
New Subscriber Thank You So Much 😊
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! And you are very welcome!
@rudyalarcon1106
3 жыл бұрын
Thank yuo for sharing
@andystitt3887
Жыл бұрын
You can’t use the box as a ground if it is a true ground?
@reginaldcouch5821
Жыл бұрын
Just found out my neutral wire in my sub panel box is grounded 2 the case. Don't have any ground wires in my sub panel. Should I be concerned? If I use an afci/gfci breaker as my master for my sub panel, can I use regular breakers in my sub panel and all the breakers added to sub panel have afci/gfci?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
Жыл бұрын
Nice to meet you ide contact a qualified licensed electrician
@wolfbarber9272
2 жыл бұрын
How bout running a ground wire front the neutral to the ground to make it a three wire?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent question, you never want to bond the neutral and grounds past the first point of disconnect, it can cause objectional current to flow on any and all paths back to the source.
@dailodai9586
7 ай бұрын
do you still need to put no equipment ground stickers on all face plates when installing the gfci breaker
@BrenanArntz
2 жыл бұрын
Would I need to mark all receptacles in circuit coming from a GFCI breaker “no equipment ground?”
@1percentSolutions23
Жыл бұрын
Would replacing it with gfci receptacle still pass inspection in 2023?
@dickgalahad4508
7 ай бұрын
great video
@ElectricalCodeCoach
6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@obertosiciliano1243
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome channels brother Perry 👍
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you bro!
@walteralbayero3267
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff coach thank u brotha
@whitetiger8652
2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video.
@b.a3171
2 жыл бұрын
What about outlets that need a ground like a washing machine or IT equipment? The only way is to run new wire?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
If a piece of equipment specifically calls for a ground there's really no other way to do it except to pull it
@johnaries9301
2 жыл бұрын
Would it be a bad idea to put a ground rod outside an exterior wall hook a ground wire to it and run it through the wall to the receptacle. Just so you don't have to go crawling through the attic?
@lunstee
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I had a question/comment about downstream receptacles as you describe @10:59. You didn't point this out, but as I understand it (and the text seems to indicate), the downstream receptacles can only have their hot/neutral terminals connected, but not the grounds. That is, the ground terminals of all the involved receptacles have to remain disconnected from each other. Do I have this right? This came to my attention when I was thinking of adding a receptacle downstream from an existing ungrounded GFCI receptacle. The new romex from there to the new receptacle has its ground wire, and it's very tempting to connect both ends to the respective receptacles. I thought of doing so in anticipation of one day replacing the upstream run from the breaker panel with new romex, but it seems that code explicitly forbids doing just the downstream connection without the upstream connection. I presume we're supposed to just cap off the unused grounding wire in this case, but when both ends are in metal boxes, I'd imagine the wires are still likely to (unintentionally) connect the boxes, and in turn, the receptacles. Is this sort of unintentional ground connection acceptable, or would we need to cut off the ground wires so short as to be useless for future connections? Or would the answer be to wrap the unused ground wire in enough electrical tape to isolate it until it's ready to be used?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
I would follow exactly what the code States
@troubleshooter1975
2 жыл бұрын
i would leave it long enough, and cap it off, if future connection is a possibility. I would not worry about contact with the box. It is incidental contact between one ungrounded piece (wire) and another ungrounded piece. Its just a larger piece of ungrounded material. I debated if a wire tag labeled 'no gnd' or something would be useful? [edit] Duh - Are there plenty of those 'No Equipment Ground' labels with the GFIs? stick one of those securely (as possible) in the box by the NM entry! (or on the NM jacket if room). Maybe some clear tape over it too... I am sure it is to avoid confusion in future work or outlet replacement as to whether an attached grounding conductor was once working and broken somewhere, or an inactive 'new' ground conductor left for possibly grounding in future renovation. Yes it would be tempting to hook up! Also, the 'No Equipment Ground' labels can be lost with cleaning or wallplate replacements, etc. (Then there would be no distinction between a grounded system suffering a break, and an unconnected new ground as in this configuration. At least unconnected [never connected] NM grounds can be a clue that there is no ground). Not to mention if the GFI gets replaced!; if the grounds were chained along the run, and the GFI becomes defective [-like that could happen...], and the homeowner replaces it; he (she) could decide they don't really need a GFI there, just a grounded outlet is fine, and sees the attached (apparently functional) ground wire.....
@rayminthecat
3 жыл бұрын
Just ductape all outlets and buy some candles
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Lmbo
@ForkLiftCertified
3 жыл бұрын
Wow That’s a really stupid idea everyone knows to use duct tape on plumbing and gas pipes. Masking tape is the preferred method for covering electrical outlets, geeez.
@hkaszowi
2 жыл бұрын
lol I feel like it!
@J_Braz_
2 жыл бұрын
No... Electric tape. 😂😂
@ieatleftytears1953
2 жыл бұрын
Such a romantic
@stanauxier8274
2 жыл бұрын
Greetings Coach, I own a house in the middle of an electrician desert. The house is from the 1960's with 2 prong aluminum wire. Does the GFCI breaker code cover aluminum wiring? Also, can you use a GFCI receptacle and ground it to a metal outlet box? Much Thanks...
@windturbineclimber5412
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have to label each outlet saying that there is no equipment grounding if you use the GFCI AFC I breaker solution?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
According to the code book yes
@douglaswindsor120
3 жыл бұрын
The final one number 5 is the only one i would trust to provide protection when changing 2 prongs to 3 prongs I would check number 4 with a gfi tester as I had an inspector fail a home after his gfi tester showed that the outlets by the bathroom sink were not protected the button on the gfi receptacle said that it was but his tester said it was not the electrician had to find where the ground was lost and fix it the other way to do it that will work is to find the breaker for the circuit and remove the wire from the breaker box put in a blank gfi it costs about the same as a normal gfi but doesn't have the plugs the gfi breaker can be quite costly 50$or more where as a gfi plug in or blank is is usually around 15 $.so unless they've changed the circuitry in the gfi plugs I'd check it with a gfi tester as it actually checks it with a resister that simulates it grounding out through a person also don't trust those push in connectors on the back of the receptacle either I hav seen them fail as well and one showed an arc fault breaker failure it didn't work and I had a hard time finding all the plugs that were destroyed by the first one that started arcing those push in connection maybe OK for a low amp load but it failed with a handicap lift the other one failed because with 12 receptacle and or lights on the circuit those 100 watt bulbs pull a lot of amps the bedroom lights and plugs were all out and the ownly way I found it was I tripped over their extention cord which Jared the plug and caused it to reconnect so I pulled the plug and used the screw terminal
@illestofdemall13
3 жыл бұрын
A GFCI tester might not trip the GFCI with no ground but the test button on the actual GFCI will. Just because the tester doesn't trip it doesn't mean that it isn't protected.
@frankpaya690
2 жыл бұрын
If you have a plug in tester and it lights- open ground and you push the button to see if it trips, the GFI it won't . Those only seem to work if the wiring lights up correct. I've had to connect to the tester with a jumper ground wire to get the GFI to trip. Whether or not in normal operation & without a fault ground connection it would Trip, I haven't been able to find a way to verify that, even though everybody in the industry says you can put a GFI in to make -up for the lack of an equipment ground & claim it will open like it's supposed to without that equipment ground.
@emilioescobedo3024
Жыл бұрын
Can you pick up ground from nearby Coldwater pipe 🤔
@luxman9463
2 жыл бұрын
So if you replace the circuit breaker with a GFCI/AFCI unit will the outlet still test as “open ground”?
@ElectricalCodeCoach
2 жыл бұрын
That is a great question, yes it will still show open ground
@mmtz7442
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks a lot for all the good info. Can you clarified, in the "5th way" if you install a gfci breaker inside panel do you still need to install a gfci receptacle at the beginning of circuit? Again thank you so much
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
GFCI protection from the panel will protect the entire circuit. Thank you for the comment!
@juliewilliams1441
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man can you help me cuz I am replacing my kitchen outlet w a gfci outlet. It’s in a metal box but it has no grounding wire. Can I or should I install a ground? I am already having a hard time putting the gfci in after I hook up all the 4 wires and getting it to fit back in the box. Is there a trick to do this. I think I’m gonna have to cut the wires a lot to get the gfci to fit in the box. I hate to cut the wires so short, but If I don’t, the gfci outlet won’t fit back in the box. It’s really not a lot of room. It had just a regular outlet before it caught on fire and now I’ve got to replace it. Thank you.
@Darolar
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I fixed my problem using your information. The added issue I found is that when using a socket tester / GFCI tester, it will not trigger the GFCI outlet/circuit breaker if there is no ground. In other words, LABEL your outlets so home inspectors don't mark "defective GFCI circuits"
@ElectricalCodeCoach
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent!!
@lmbear
3 жыл бұрын
I recently labeled my new AFCI/GFCI receptacles properly and had a home inspection. The problem is, some inspectors are fn stupid. They still marked mine down as "defective". Because they don't know the codes. It is in the NEC handbook, as this video explains.
@gravestoner2488
3 жыл бұрын
I changed outlets when I was like 15. That was over a decade ago. I did get electrocuted once, wasn't too bad. I own a home now and I have gotten into electrical engineering/programming and have purchased an oscilloscope. I have been informed bypassing the ground is bad. I will be doing this the right way.
@jonathannycum5809
3 жыл бұрын
Electrocution is death by electrical shock. I’m assuming you just meant that you got shocked, not electrocuted.
@frankpaya690
2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathannycum5809 That's what I was thinking.
@boballen5268
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathannycum5809 he's talking to us from the beyond💀
@weizhang1044
2 жыл бұрын
So if we replace it with a GFCI outlet, when we test it using a standard tester, it should still show "open ground" because we still do not have a ground connected? Thanks!
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