The biggest cliche is putting two characters together for simply existing in the story as two attractive people 🤷♂️
@zanzaboonda
8 ай бұрын
A forced romance in movies when there is no chemistry between the actors is just awful.
@super-luckabsol4834
8 ай бұрын
@@zanzaboonda Agreed. Writing, casting, and directing something as painful as the Anakin/Padme dialogue and dynamic requires a lack of talent and skill. A writer's lack of affinity for a genre can spawn a unique strain of bad writing.
@marcusstewart4141
8 ай бұрын
🎯
@LilacSreya
7 ай бұрын
@@super-luckabsol4834Am I the only one on this entire planet who thinks Anakin/Padme isn’t bad? It’s just misunderstood and makes sense in context.
@johnjim6793
7 ай бұрын
@reyaThe problem is that it's dreadfully written and the relationship between Anakin and Padme never feels real. It feels like two working colleagues standing next to each other feeling visibly uncomfortable because the script tell them to get intimate with each other.
@WilliamReginaldLucas
8 ай бұрын
“When I saw this in theatres I flinched like a truck had run over my foot” The Star Wars sequels never fail to get memorable reponses
@fallen_Spartan79
5 ай бұрын
Sad thing is, a lot of people felt and reacted the same way. My friends and I did. Honestly, a silent message or even a hug would not have been so jarring.
@WilliamReginaldLucas
5 ай бұрын
@@fallen_Spartan79 so did I, the same saga that gave us “I am your Father”, then Luke using his connection with Leia to call her to him and save him. The saga that gave us “if you strike me down i shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine”, Luke choosing death and the belief there is good in his father over falling to the darks side in ROtJ. The same saga that gave us “you’re all clear kid, now let’s blow this thing go home!” …Also has Leia flying through the vacuum of space. I can still only consider episodes 1-6 as my head canon aha.
@clementine9
5 ай бұрын
I fell asleep in the theater 😂 I woke up just as Kylo sacrificed his life and I thought I missed this great romance that had developed. Nope!
@benjaminwatt2436
8 ай бұрын
A really good couple that breaks up because they writers don't know what to do with the two characters and they need drama
@leolightfellow
8 ай бұрын
I'd say the Love Triangle is the worst romance cliche. 99% of the time it's just used to drag stuff on for a long time in a TV series.
@Evil0tto
8 ай бұрын
I have it on good advice that the Love Triangle is the best of all ideas, and that every single story should have one. Wait... not "good" writing advice... Terrible Writing Advice.
@karlispovisils5297
8 ай бұрын
This list is mostly about cliches that are 100% guaranteed to be bad. 99% doesn't cut it.
@Soundwave1900
8 ай бұрын
As someone who've spent many years reading mostly jap light novels, I'll take a triangle over a god forsaken harem any day. Send help.
@Scantronimus466
8 ай бұрын
Enter: The Love Rhombus
@chloemchll3774
8 ай бұрын
@@Scantronimus466why stop there? How about a love octagon?
@1970Phoenix
8 ай бұрын
I hate, hate, HATE cliche #2 - the contrived, almost never believable breakup due to a misunderstanding. One variation of this (common in Korean dramas), is when one of the characters temporarily becomes a voluntary mute. The character with the misunderstanding clearly communicates the misunderstanding to the other character, who could then correct the misunderstanding with a single sentence. But instead of speaking this sentence, they just stand in silence (usually with a blank look on their face), as if they temporarily forget that their mouth can be used for talking. It's terrible, lazy and just stupid writing, yet it still happens.
@mrsean1999
8 ай бұрын
Voluntary mute? How can I persuade my wife to try this?
@xemoni2682
8 ай бұрын
Yes. I don't understand, because one of the goals if not the major goal in the romance genre is to create the feeling that these characters belong together. So, why do they break up, don't wanna talk, or "give up" on the relationship so easily? It doesn't make sense to me. Because that doesn't give the emotion to the audience to be rooting for them. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy break-up arcs, but it has to be well written, with the character's communication, and have a REASONABLE motive. But unfortunately, a lot of writers are scared to give the characters flaws and mistakes. Instead, the only way they can include this type of arc with these perfect angel beings is through miscommunication.
@benjaminwatt2436
8 ай бұрын
@@xemoni2682 The first Shrek is a good example of how to do a miscommunication break up. its down perfectly, and at just the right moment in the movie. also it doesn't feel contrived because Shrek has no reason to think fiona would refer to herself as a monster
@xemoni2682
8 ай бұрын
@@benjaminwatt2436 Yes, Jane Austen also uses miscommunication in Pride and Prejudice and it's done very well, I think that every rule has its exceptions. But unfortunately, a lot of stories that use this type of arc don't explore it to its full potential
@jtoland2333
8 ай бұрын
That sounds hideous!
@Achieme
8 ай бұрын
The worst for me is the misunderstanding/miscommunication because it's just predictable that they'll get together again or when characters break up off screen because of a miscommunication. Another is when characters break up, get back together break up again and so on and so on. My final one is when a character (an obsessed on at that) is able to hook up with the girl/guy after doing stalker like behavior such as following, trespassing or disguising themselves just to get closer to the girl/guy even for comedy purposes it's just weird.
@grizzly_manbanimation8436
8 ай бұрын
I can understand that last one but I still think it can work as long as the 2 characters are actually good friends to each other. Idk maybe I just have a soft spot for things like that but I can understand why one would dislike it.
@Iso20227
8 ай бұрын
I hate tense and jealous filled romance tropes. I don’t remember any examples, mostly because I’ve purged them from my memory, but I hate it when the two are constantly stepping around each other and so sensitive about every little detail. “What were you doing”? “Were you cheating on me”? “Do you think she’s hot”? “What would you do if I left you”? AHHHH!!! Stop!! I hate it so much!
@frizzyrascal1493
8 ай бұрын
Jealousy and tense can work very well, but it‘s the shitty writing that ruins those aspects.
@VNightmoon
8 ай бұрын
Oh, I have a list. All of yours are on it, but also: -A male character kissing a female to get her to shut up. *Especially* if she's rightfully pissed about something. That's so rude and disrespectful. -The "wear her down until she gives in" trope, and it's almost always a she. Actually, I'm going to expand this to any time a female character's agency is ignored/sacrificed to push her into a romantic plot. -A beautiful, smart, funny, amazing woman ends up with a bland, mediocre man Because The Plot Says So. -The double standard where a woman can look past a man's ugliness to love him, but you rarely see it in reverse. -The "big romantic gesture" that's more often than not humiliating at best and the culmination of a character basically stalking/harassing the love interest at worst. -That trope where the ex wife/girlfriend is about to remarry, and the loser protagonist manages to win her back at the last second. I either feel sorry for the guy left at the altar if he didn't do anything wrong, or roll my eyes if the story demonized him to make the plot work. Either way, the woman looks like an idiot. In the first case, she's often ditching a healthier relationship for her ex, where she knows she's taking a risk. In the second, she's not only about to marry this loser, but taking her ex back because even though the *audience* saw him change, she rarely does in-story. Exception: Shrek. Probably the ONE movie where this worked, and it worked because Shrek and Fiona weren't longterm before the wedding and still sorting their feelings for each other out. Also the rare exception where the miscommunication trope worked in the story's favor, because yes, it made Shrek and Fiona split until it got sorted out, but it was also a rare instance that shows the reality of how your own self-loathing can unwittingly affect others. -Abusive behavior portrayed as love. Some major ones: stalking, controlling behavior under the guise of "caring," public romantic gestures meant to pressure the love interest into saying yes, sabotaging the romantic competition, treating the love interest like a reward. -Love triangles in-general, but I *especially* hate ones where one potential love interest is demonized to the point you're wondering what she (and it's almost always a she) sees in him, and it's clear she'll pick the "good" guy in the end. Like, why bother? It's still a shitty trope, but you also took out what little conflict this trope actually had. -Chickening out of queer romance because the author clearly wants diversity points, but won't actually let the couple be together. At best, they'll get some moments, but the relationship is so vague, you wonder why they bothered. Cororally to this: I'll forgive this teasing in older works that were published in times where queer romance was less accepted, but in the modern day? No. Either do it or don't.
@benjaminwatt2436
8 ай бұрын
yeah that's bad
@ShinGallon
8 ай бұрын
All excellent points. Romance stories have this really awful habit of portraying abuse and possessiveness as love and not, you know, horrifying. Also thank you for reminding me how utterly masterfully written Shrek was.
@davidhoward4715
8 ай бұрын
Although slightly f=different from your scenario, the very last scene of the "The Graduate" undermines the left-at-the-altar trope... those "Oh ****, what have we done?" looks on the faces of Benjamin and Elaine.
@MerlinTheCommenter
8 ай бұрын
Some of your points on the list boils down to you wish men and women were the exact same sex and were treated as such. Sorry, but that’s asking for the whole history of mankind to be as impotently irate as you about reality. Never gonna happen. You have every right to be upset about whatever irks you but writing it down here where we can see it gives us a very revealing window into many things you are grossly missing in life. 🍿
@alexalexeich7329
8 ай бұрын
Well put!
@alexanderhirth1530
8 ай бұрын
My mother, who watches Hallmark movies for a living, had the exact same reaction to the Rey/Ren kiss. Its that bad
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
8 ай бұрын
"who watches Hallmark movies for a living" Hahaha!
@davidhoward4715
8 ай бұрын
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty A hell of a way to make a living!
@thehowlie
8 ай бұрын
Currently writing a sci-fi romance movie and I was very excited to see this upload. Do you happen to know any tips for writing good romance? I’ve got a good dynamic between the 2 currently but I’d love any tips.
@leolightfellow
8 ай бұрын
I second this as a video idea for you, Brandon McNulty. :) In the meantime, I'd recommend a video on youtube - channel is "English Nerd" and video is called "Tips for Writing Romance." It's an efficient checklist you can use.
@robertthomas6363
8 ай бұрын
The miscommunication drama is top tier stupidity. So insulting to the audience. Arrogant fools that stupid are impossible for me to root for. I just put down the story. ... People can and do get stuck on miscommunication in real relationships, but that tends to happen over perspective, especially with feelings vs facts interpretations where the issues are difficult and long-entangled and the sides both become defensive. Miscommunication drama over the most shallow, easily-cleared-up matters, cause my eyes to hurt from rolling too hard.
@jamesvanlangeveld459
8 ай бұрын
I'm so glad you included Rey and Kylo Ren. That was one of the worst I have seen. There was not enough build up to it that it just felt so out of nowhere. I remember telling people after walking out of the theater how much I hated that moment. Great list! I also hate the miscommunication trope. Drives me crazy because it feels so unrealistic.
@Torthrodhel
8 ай бұрын
I think I am glad that I skipped that film.
@tuojiangoman3228
7 ай бұрын
As someone who honest-to goodness likes Rey, I feel like their were so many better paths to take her character (while similarly promoting diversity) -Pairing Rey with Finn -Making Rey asexual -ANYTHING OTHER THAN REYLO!
@matt_valentine
8 ай бұрын
This will always be my favorite writing channel! Brilliant work as always. Great insight.
@marcusstewart4141
8 ай бұрын
I agree with *ALL* of these!!! *ESPECIALLY* number 5!! 🎯
@olivierroussin4432
8 ай бұрын
The cliche i hate the most is the forced toxic relationship. Movies like 50 shade, after, the kissing booth and 365 days have EXTREME TOXIC MALE and they make you believe they are the good one for the girl that sacrifice everything just to be with him.
@12yearmindmovies
8 ай бұрын
We need an opposite take on this. The BEST things to do in a Romance story
@kailyns8159
8 ай бұрын
I haven’t read it in too many books, so it might not be an official trope yet, but the backed-into-a-corner sexual encounter makes me livid. It’s that moment in a romance where the experienced guy manipulates a situation so that the virgin/ good/ not interested girl ends up in his bed, usually reluctantly or absolutely petrified to give in. But he’s so tender, so charming, so commanding, that she doesn’t fight back. The marital assault scene in Gone With The Wind has traces of this trope. The worst offender though has to be this book by a prominent romance author where the virgin lead is terrified of the dark because it takes her back to the memory of hiding from her mother’s murderers in a hidden compartment in the floor while the slain woman’s blood dripped down onto her. This poor traumatized girl goes catatonic in the dark. The male lead kidnaps her and discovers her weakness. One night, after she makes him angry because he can’t take seeing her every day and not having her, he tells her that if she comes to his room for any reason during the night, she will be forfeiting her body. He then makes sure the only room with a light source in the house that night is his. And knowing she’ll seek the light he just leaves his bedroom door open so the light pours from the room. As he knew she would, the girl has a panic attack of paralysis and barely manages to crawl across the hall to his open door. He is standing in the glowing room, just waiting with a smile. When she gets to the threshold of his bedroom door, she’s shaking, crying, and somehow still not there. He picks her up, carries her to his bed and waits for her to cling to him in desperation before he coaxes her into sex. The worst part is, in the morning she’s not even angry about his manipulation. She’s just like “eh, he did warn me.” Any story where a girl is manipulated into giving a guy sex in exchange for something is an example of the backed-into-a-corner sexual encounter trope.
@BenavolutionArt
7 ай бұрын
50 shades
@Angel-sh7mn
8 ай бұрын
Number 2 is pretty accurate to real life tho, gotta admit. It's just usually executed poorly that makes it annoying
@olivasjluisc3171
8 ай бұрын
Something that really get to my nerves is when two characters, who met for about a couple of days, by the end of the movie are declaring eternal love for each other. I've noticed this happening the most in non romantic movies.
@arrownoir
6 ай бұрын
The dramatic breakup before they get together for good is always stupid.
@VinnyTheory
5 ай бұрын
Loving your channel, I think the takeaway in this video is don’t write in rewards that are unearned 👍
@chains4715
8 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with Brandon about the miscommunication cliche, so annoying
@marcia268
Ай бұрын
I love Hitch, I've watched it like 100 times. I love the scene when they argue, when she mocks him, I always laugh. That's a well done cliche.
@sanjaykarthicks1226
7 ай бұрын
I hate the miscommunication break up because they are easily preventable and just there to force conflict And the part where a couple are about to kiss each other, but suddenly someone interrupts them, robbing us of an intimate moment And about the mutual breakup part, it can work if they were best friends-turned-romantic couples who realize that they are better off as friends
@JohnnyWordSmith
8 ай бұрын
I hate when miscommunication causes conflict. I find it to be very common in theater.
@ZenKrio
5 ай бұрын
One you covered: The "I can explain", only for the other side to basically say "I don't wanna hear it". One you didn't: The "Love Triangle", when it's obvious the third person isn't even a real player.
@VexNovaYT
2 ай бұрын
One romance cliches I hate are love triangles. Especially the ones where the 3rd guy is someone we don't know and is only in the story to create the love triangle. Also the ones where the 3rd guy is like the villain of the story, I'm okay with a love interest being the villain but not in a love triangle because we know the hero will save the day and get the girl. It's very predicable.
@coop1311
8 ай бұрын
I agree with the video and a lot of the comments, though thinking back to the high school and college years (mine plus friends), there were plenty of breakups and missed opportunities over all kinds of stupid reasons -- however, those were because two immature people didn't know each other, and clearly not everything needs to be a movie!
@Yutah1981
4 ай бұрын
Also, I could never understand why asking for one's hand in front of the big crowd of people is supposed to be romantic and grand. It might be excused if you're 100% sure the partner is going to say yes and is into that kind of stuff but usually It's awful. You trap the person who can't comfortably say 'no' or 'i need to think' anymore and if they do, they feel horrible. And it's the moment for two, not for a crowd.
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
4 ай бұрын
Love this point.
@MyMusic-cd3do
8 ай бұрын
I hate the love polygon, where the romance interest is somehow subverted by other relationships only to get together in the end for any of the reasons listed in the video. And we all knew it was going to happen from the beginning. Probably higher on my romance cliche hate list is the big speech/confession at a huge event in front of an audience of people who patiently stand around and let them say what they have to say. No one cuts the sound, drags them off stage, heckles them, etc. etc. I know they''re going for the big climax scene, but I think it is just lazy writing that makes me cringe every time it happens.
@maggot1111666
8 ай бұрын
I think this video is spot on, as usual. I don’t even think they are cliche they are just bad. But I also think all five work well for comedic effect. Also, in the case of Star Wars, Kilo and ray could have been used to bolster the characters. Either ray rejecting him or kilo killing her. It would have been legendary either way
@stealthchopper54
8 ай бұрын
Would you consider doing a video about bad / lazy conflict? Had me thinking of this when you mentioned the argument-miscommunication in hitch . . . Can't tell you how frustrating lazy or unrealistic conflict sources can be to read (I'm sure you know).
@emperormegaman3856
8 ай бұрын
"Will they won't they" and the related "break up, get back together" repeatedly can be annoying if only resolved at the very end. If the writers aren't careful, by doing that for too long/too often they can end up accidentally demonstrating why the two characters doesn't work as a couple. So when they get together at the last minute of the 1000 episode, the viewer won't feel like it is a satisfying conclusion
@mrsturtevant1
8 ай бұрын
Wait! Maybe this is another reason I hated Toy Story 4. Woody running off with Bo Peep felt like a "well Bonnie no longer plays with him so might as well". It felt like a cop out instead of an earned romance, even with Woody's history with Bo.
@peterg76yt
8 ай бұрын
In fiction, the miscommunication breakup truly is lazy and contrived, but oddly enough, in real life there can be misunderstandings where one person jumps to an incorrect but not completely unreasonable conclusion, and once a person becomes emotional it may be hard to pause and gather the proper facts together.
@zweipinguine
7 ай бұрын
Creep/abusive behaviour depicted as romantic is my personal worst one. A guy stalking a woman, never accepting her rejection and forcing her into uncomfortable situations with him, etc. And in the movies, it works. And sadly some young impressionable ones may think it will in the real world. Also love triangles. Like, in general. Most often it only serves to give two male characters a goal and robs the woman involved of agency. It reduces her to "hehe who will i choose now". I once read a fantasy book that made me stop read fantasy, sadly, because i write fantasy but there's barely anything good, and there were like two women in the whole story, one of which was involved in a love triangle in which two guys tried getting her and one was the dark tough one and the other was the shy but smart and careful, totally not self-inserted one. I actually threw that book in the trash, this being one of the big reasons for it. That lady was barely thinking of anything else than them and all the others were either idiots or violent assholes. I had one character that i liked, but then he started liking the worst character and that was it. Though i may be guilty of not building up the one romance (subplot) i wrote enough. I've never been in a romance and idk feelings but it wasn't an important part of the story anyways and these two people at least go about it healthily.
@planetmayhem2012
5 ай бұрын
i really hate the profession of love in front of a crowd 🤮 so cringe. it may or may not be a plot device, but it's still a common cliche.
@HighHeelKnight
8 ай бұрын
Number 2 is certainly among my top romance pet peeves. 🤦
@jamesstuart3346
3 ай бұрын
The romantic subplot can ruin a whole movie. Cast Away was over the moment fhe freighter appeared. But no, we had to find out what happened to Tom's wife
@blueraventv
7 ай бұрын
Worst movie cliche "i didn't know you had a gf" "oh she's not" "yeah he's not" "we're not"
@stevenscott2136
8 ай бұрын
The worst romance cliche is having it happen in EVERY story. I'm not a teenage girl, and most of my movies aren't anything a teenage girl would watch. I don't need constant reassurance that a boy will like me despite my being a helpless load who almost gets him killed every ten minutes.
@eliaspeter7689
6 ай бұрын
I personally hate the love at first sight one. Guy sees attractive girl, and the only reason he approaches her is because oh she pretty. (or vice versa) This ties in to another cliche I have seen a few times, when the guy acts honestly creepy or inappropriate, (stalking the girl for example) but the girl somehow finds it charming and cute.
@nodsib
4 ай бұрын
To be fair, Hitch assaulting her instead of calmly talking things over is very on-brand for Will Smith 😂
@greg_nk
8 ай бұрын
I like the romance in The Expanse series. Got together, got issues, fixed them and that’s all. No unnecessary drama
@applejayz1987
5 ай бұрын
Date doctor, master of love, helps others reach a good place with their crush: *THROWS SALAD*
@Ramzadkm
8 ай бұрын
Hey! Big fan here :) I love your advice. Quick question: What do you think about the mutual breakup in Annie Hall? I think it ended up working pretty well for the story, but I'm not sure what can bring up that good resolution.
@ChristophLujanski
8 ай бұрын
"She's Out of My League" uses #2 and #4 at different points in the movie.
@DrDubMemes
8 ай бұрын
The “perfect couple” It never feels legit when the two people have no arguments or problems (or when problems just go away without meaningful resolution)
@amandabell516
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for this list. Also the hell I can't believe rey and the villain end up together. That makes no sense
@krzysztofiwan4901
8 ай бұрын
My most disliked one is 'secret gold digger' when a girl is attracted to a guy that is pursuing her, but she doesn't want him, because he is poor. Then he turns out to be a secret millionaire and all of a sudden she wants him.
@mathieuleader8601
8 ай бұрын
soap operas are often prone to these tropes
@ard52192
8 ай бұрын
For romance, just add water to the fill line.
@cassidymccurdy805
3 ай бұрын
I thought I wanted to see Kylo and Rey together but as soon as it happened I was so uncomfortable 😂
@yaff1851
3 ай бұрын
I beg to disagree with You‘ve got Mail, because in this particular instance the cliché isn’t a bug but a feature: `I‘m terribly sorry but I want to break up‘ `Oh how convenient, so do I’ `Huh?’ Yet another light hearted joke, no more no less. Maybe the writers should have doubled down on the cliché harder to make it work for you as well.
@rowan404
8 ай бұрын
I haven’t watched yet, but I’m intrigued to see where you take this. Every other author I watch is a woman and they usually focus on the misogyny, toxic masculinity, and general misunderstandings as seen on r/MenWritingWomen. Although I agree with their takes, I feel like they’re no-brainers for most people regardless of gender, the exceptions being incels, so I’m curious to see what new takes you present.
@kingbeauregard
8 ай бұрын
My least favorite cliche is the assumption that, when a man and a woman develop a bond, a romantic relationship is the natural conclusion, or that it's the RIGHT natural conclusion. Now to be sure, people often DO develop romantic feelings; and it doesn't hurt if both of them possess Hollywood good looks. But the assumption that two people connecting means they'll be romantic is flawed. Maybe they'll develop a healthy respect, or a friendly rivalry, or just an understanding that they can count on each other. Or maybe they'll be dissimilar enough that they see eye-to-eye for the purposes of the film but overall they're not a good match of any kind. A couple reasons why it's bad to assume that romance is the pinnacle. 1) Maybe some other option makes more sense for the characters; don't box yourself out of exploring that just because you've locked in to romance. 2) The wide problem of, guys grow up bombarded with faulty messages about how to interact with women, and it doesn't help to teach them that "close relationship" and "romance" are the same thing. It contributes to the problem of guys not knowing how to be "just friends" with women. Maybe model some examples of men and women who don't have the romantic spark but they've got each other's backs; that'd be productive.
@kingbeauregard
8 ай бұрын
Like, the movie "Pretty in Pink". We all want Duckie to be happy at the end, but the movie is written such that he can't get with Andie. The movie opts to go the direction of, some new girl takes an interest in Duckie, and he responds favorably like his problems are solved. That's one fairly obvious way to give him a happy ending, even if it treats women as interchangeable. How about going a more interesting direction, that he accepts that Andie has never felt about him like he feels about her, and then either walks away or learns to cope? Duckie and Andie could have had a pretty good talk, worked out what they have to, and then Duckie is happier by virtue of being better. The movie could even then have the new girl show up and ask Duckie if he wants to dance, and he agrees, without making like it's the solution to his problems (because he's just solved them).
@OlgaKuznetsova
7 ай бұрын
I see it less and less these days, but I really hate when films create a bad-current-partner trope that "permits" the leads to cheat on their not-ideal partners. If you don't like your partner, break up first, date second.
@AryaCyrus
8 ай бұрын
What if it's a mystery story? My character is in a perilously toxic relationship. But the partner is not the cliched abusive who shows his hand from the beginning. It's the whole concept of right and wrong in this realm that the hero is exploring.
@LittleWriterSquirrel
8 ай бұрын
Miscommunication/cheering! The absolute WORST and has ruined several stories for me!!
@MrGabeanator
8 ай бұрын
missunderstanding many films do that
@leonmayne797
8 ай бұрын
I’m so tired of every two main characters of different genders getting together I actively root for it not to happen.
@Bennett-wj9vg
8 ай бұрын
I one point thought of a harem romance parody where the love interests are kinda like the main characters and by magical shenanigans caused by the sins of their ancestors, must win some simple emotional distant schmuck genuine affection or they and those close to them would face drastic consequences. The guy is an utter asshole and doesn't do love or friendship and is very mischievous when he wants to be. The "target" isn't evil, however. Just very demi-sexual and has some deep repressed issues they need to sought out eventually. The story would be like they're trying to "win" their apparent true love heart while competing against each other untill eventually the guy starts investigating these people, finds out they only using him, and then tries to break curse his own way without getting hitched and to get rid of these, on paper in his perspective, horrible people. Ironically, this would actually earn a few of their affection. Wouldn't say he ends up with anyone as i haven't gotten that far. But he does at least start to become best pals with most of them.
@xChikyx
8 ай бұрын
#2 is so lame, I hate it so much
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
8 ай бұрын
You know what's funny? I almost didn't include it here because I thought, "Eh, miscommunication happens in real life and causes all sorts of relationship problems." Then after some more thinking I realized that the cliche creates empty conflict in stories, which flat out sucks.
@grandfaultimperceptor
7 ай бұрын
Sorry, but the “You’ve Got Mail” one doesn’t track. If Meg’s character dumps her “not a bad guy” boyfriend, to pursue a mystery guy, she immediately becomes an unsympathetic character. There were better examples to pick.
@jeremyreed4951
8 ай бұрын
OR.... these 2 people need to get together but one of them is in a long committed relationship or married but they have to make that person's spouse EVIL or Iredeemable so that it's justified and we root for them.
@allanfrd
8 ай бұрын
Twilight, I guess all of us agree that one is the worst of then all.
@psgamer-0199
8 ай бұрын
I don't remember if I ever saw a love triangle that didn't make me want to smash my head on a wall. Also, whatever the young version of the couple in The Notebook has going on makes me want to throw up. This video is very interesting, informative, and entertaining. I gotta say that though I'm no Star Wars fan I've watched the movies from Episode 1 to 7. And though I never watched nor plan to watch episodes 8 and 9, I believe the characters of Kylo and Rey are protagonists to a cringe fest. Which I'm not interested in. I admit I like the movie Hitch. I really do. But I've always been bothered by couples breaking up because of miscommunication. It just doesn't make sense or it makes me feel the couple didn't care about each other in the end if they didn't care in wanting to talk and get facts straight. If you're in a relationship, imo, you can't afford not talking/communicating with your partner. That's no relationship at all. Last I want to say about the topics showcased in this video: The Jurassic World romantic aspect disgust me. And the Failure to Launch movie sounds like a god awful movie. And both are movies I never watched and I have no interest in watching. And I'm sure I'm not missing out.
@MerlinTheCommenter
8 ай бұрын
I don’t take romance plots seriously so they don’t get to me, no matter how silly. I know that plot isn’t for me but another demo, so I get it. Great vid as always.
@offdutyenglishmajor9924
8 ай бұрын
The interrupted kiss is one cliché I hate. Two characters are having a romantic moment, they are moments away from kissing, and then the wacky sidekick barges in and stops them, oops!
@whozyourdaddy
8 ай бұрын
But then it takes 4 more episodes for the characters to find that moment again....
@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate
8 ай бұрын
I personally don't mind it too much, but that's probably cause it means less kissing and I'm not a fan of kissing
@modestfirerpu
8 ай бұрын
Along with this, I hate the “wacky” side kick who is only good for a comic relief. “Stupid” characters are stupid.
@MerlinTheCommenter
8 ай бұрын
@@modestfirerpuOda’s Usop “The GOD!” Says otherwise. (from One Piece)
@MorgottofLeyendell
7 ай бұрын
I'm fine with the interruption if it's funny, if not than it feels kind of pointless. If there's no one to laugh at than just have them kiss.
@racheltheradiant4675
8 ай бұрын
What romantic cliche do I dislike? Two words: Stockholm Syndrome.
@grizzly_manbanimation8436
8 ай бұрын
Whoa that’s a good one.
@mistyguy9997
6 ай бұрын
Michael De Santa: I hear Stockholm Syndrome is very nice this time of year
@maeburekaiser
6 ай бұрын
I think it's valid, but only if it isn't presented as a good and valid relationship. I'm not saying the writing should judge the relationship, but don't hide what's terrible about it either.
@BunstoppableForce
8 ай бұрын
Dragged out "will they, won't they" has to be my #1. There is nothing that frustrates me more about romance subplots than when the characters _do_ have that chemistry that makes them a fun and sweet couple, but they keep dancing around it and never get together until the very end of the story, and you never actually get to see their relationship.
@blshouse
7 ай бұрын
This was a TV series issue. This was the sole plot of Moonlighting, Remmington Steele, Scarecrow and Mrs. King, ad. infinitum. Once the main characters finally got together, the writers didn't have anything else and the shows died off pretty quick.
@BunstoppableForce
7 ай бұрын
@@blshouse That's why I liked it in Brooklyn Nine-Nine when Jake and Amy got together at the end of the second season and that was just how it stayed for the rest of the series. Instead of having them break up for drama every 10 episodes, the writers just developed their relationship further and created all-new chemistry between them alongside building off of the chemistry that was already there. Turns out you can decide not to drag it out forever and _still_ hook your audience, who knew!
@Eternal_Sufferring
6 ай бұрын
Love Is War
@Kizzy-pu4he
Күн бұрын
@@blshouse Actually, it's the other way around. Once the chemistry moves into fulfillment, the audience stops watching. TV romances where they marry the couple or they have sex finally is like having an orgasm for the viewers. Foreplay is anticipation. Foreplay appeals to women. Build romance, they have years of foreplay, and finally the couple have sex. That sex is the mental orgasm of viewers. And like real sex, you're done until the next time you begin building with foreplay. And it's that first time that;s the sweetest. Any producer will tell you to can any sex if you have romantic leads, because that become a major factor of what is keeping you watching. Remove that and the show tanks.
@MichaelJPartyka
8 ай бұрын
"The Rise of Skywalker" alone could probably provide a whole video series on bad writing choices.
@ShinGallon
8 ай бұрын
It's like a masterclass in how NOT to end a trilogy.
@MichaelJPartyka
8 ай бұрын
@@ShinGallon And that's largely because Rian Johnson ended the trilogy in "The Last Jedi". I suspect that just as J. J. Abrams was instructed to make "The Force Awakens" analogous to "A New Hope" (even to the point of having X-wings flying down a trench to destroy a superweapon), Rian Johnson was directed to make "The Last Jedi" analogous to "The Empire Strikes Back" -- except he went one further and merged ESB with "Return of the Jedi" to make TLJ (right down to having a throne room sequence with the new evil guy in charge). By the time TLJ was over, both ESB and ROTJ's material had been covered. Episode IX, then, could've gone *anywhere* -- it didn't even have to be an end to a forced trilogy, it could've been Episode IX of who knows how many Star Wars episodes. But the studio was so locked into its plan to have a final trilogy that it returned unopened every gift Rian Johnson had given them.
@ShinGallon
8 ай бұрын
@@MichaelJPartyka The entire sequel trilogy is just one big case study in why you should have your entire trilogy already written before you film a single scene.
@Conserpov
8 ай бұрын
Let's just acknowledge that all Disney SW movies are dumpster fires of writing and directing, including TFA and R1.
@mandiechase3308
8 ай бұрын
Agreed. I was really disappointed with that movie. Granted, I shouldn't have had my hopes up that high.
@AppleJackSix
8 ай бұрын
The miscommunication one is the worst for me. Especially if the entire conflict depends solely on two people not being able to have a normal conversation and say things any normal, sane person would say.
@zanzaboonda
8 ай бұрын
Sooo many movie conflicts would be resolved by a 5 min conversation
@ElliFeiler
7 ай бұрын
Yea, this is my most hated clechè too. Especially when you watched it and think how can this to people to be so dumm and are unable to comunicate when I was 13 I always wished to jump in the movie/series and jealed to the main couple to just comunicate becouse I couldn't stand it anymore to wach this
@VNightmoon
3 ай бұрын
I only have three examples of this trope that I don't hate: -The Nightmare Before Christmas. The miscommunication comes as a result of character clash. Sally tries to warn Jack about her vision, but she's not an assertive character, so she can't get him to understand what she's trying to tell him, and Jack is too wrapped up in his excitement to hear what Sally is actually saying. It's a believable scenario that happens all the time IRL, and Sally did try a few times to make Jack understand. -Shrek, which has a similar premise where what Shrek overhears Fiona saying is understandable, and serves as an example of how your own self-loathing can unwittingly affect others. Fiona's talking about herself, but it's understandable that what Shrek overhears can apply to himself. -Gravity Falls. One episode has Dipper and Mabel going off to do different things, and they have walkie talkies to communicate. It's understandable there's a communication issue when Dipper's adventure leads him to accidentally activate a UFO that pulls him out of range when Mabel is trying to call him, so her messages either get cut off or only partially get through. But the fact that I have very few examples of this trope working for the plot is pretty telling. It *can* work, if the writer is willing to put in the effort to make it work. But most writers don't.
@PurpleSun8933
8 ай бұрын
Somehow Palpatine returned. The best line in the last decade.
@mandiechase3308
8 ай бұрын
😂
@blshouse
7 ай бұрын
I'll buy that for a dollar!
@wolfpackjew
6 ай бұрын
Better than studying spiders in the Amazon?
@Totallynotabird90
5 ай бұрын
@@blshousea dollar? Take your hat off son it’s a dollar!
@VincentStevenStudio
4 ай бұрын
I personally don't think that line is that bad. Because in context, Poe is just telling the Resistance what he's heard. He has no idea how Palpatine returned. Just that word got out that somehow Palpatine returned. It was never intended as an explanation of how Palpatine returned or exposition. He was just informing the Resistance. The real lazy line is at the bigenning when Palpatinees excuse is "The Dark side is the pathway to many abilities some may consider unnatural." Ok? Palpatine, but like how?
@DJSeeker67
8 ай бұрын
I hate tropes that pass off unhealthy relationship dynamics as romantic. For example, when one character obessively chases a reluctant love interest; when there is a huge power dynamic; jealousy disguised as love. Even the belief in soulmates can be a red flag.
@1970Phoenix
8 ай бұрын
I agree. These toxic tropes are extremely common in Korean and Chinese Dramas, which I find frustrating.
@frankie3010
8 ай бұрын
You sound gay
@oliverford5367
8 ай бұрын
But that makes it exciting and dramatic. Realistic and healthy = uncinematic
@frizzyrascal1493
8 ай бұрын
@@oliverford5367Exactly. I know this dilemma when it comes to Teen Dramas (PLL and Gossip Girl come to mind), but I want an unrealistic love sold to me. I like those dramatic (not melodramatic!) characters and toxic love relationships. But they could be less romanticized, that‘s one thing I agree on.
@sodacan1415
8 ай бұрын
oh boy a tumblrite
@wdotwreckvideos
8 ай бұрын
In the 4th cliche the sidekick becomes the main character 😂
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
8 ай бұрын
Hahaha you're spot-on
@dp-g5i
8 ай бұрын
There are some examples of where the wacky comedy character becoming the main character worked very well though, Better Call Saul being the major one.
@anoticingsenpai7044
8 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention The Last Jedi. The romance between Finn and Rose made my eyes roll to the back of my head
@Cellistandpianist
8 ай бұрын
And then they threw it out the next movie. Huge waste of time. They should’ve just made them good friends
@blshouse
7 ай бұрын
You forgot the scare quotes around "romance".
@blshouse
7 ай бұрын
I hate gaymances in general, because I'm a bigot and all that, but still even I was on board for shipping Finn and Poe. Damn if those two didn't have on-screen chemistry together! At the very least the writers should have really given them a stronger bromance, even if they kept it straight.
@eljosende873
5 ай бұрын
The last Jedi is a stand alone chapter on history telling. It's so awful you can make a 2h documentary on how it sucks.
@brianedwards7142
8 ай бұрын
When one person does something to the other that crosses the legal line but it's ok because love.
@benjaminwatt2436
8 ай бұрын
Like "accidental" cheating. I hate when they have a character play dumb, and they get in a moment where basically they cheat on their partner, but the movie acts like it doesn't count because the character didn't notice.
@DelapierceD
2 ай бұрын
@@benjaminwatt2436I think they mean stalking or assault as courtship or expression of love
@zanzaboonda
8 ай бұрын
I think the mutual breakup scene works in You've Got Mail because it was really on point for the rest of their relationship - they weren't really lovers so much as friends, and they had slowly fallen out of love with each other over the years without some impetus that warranted a breakup. They were both just kind of waiting for it to end, and when it finally did, it was a relief.
@maragathm
8 ай бұрын
I agree this was a great moment in the movie it fits the tone of the movie
@BooksForever
8 ай бұрын
Also, I think it’s fair to say that Kathleen Kelly would’ve worked harder to maintain that relationship with Frank (and been jealous of his flirtation with the reporter) if she hadn’t already developed feelings for Joe’s online persona and was actively looking for an exit strategy to pursue him. So she jumped at the chance to give Frank his freedom without a fight. Had Frank wanted to break up in the first minute of the movie we surely would’ve seen Kathleen crying about it then. It was all consistent with the timing and development of the side relationships. And Frank probably felt her pulling slightly away which emboldened him to press for the breakup. It works in this nearly perfect movie.
@radmomthoughts3507
3 ай бұрын
Plus, if she had broken up with Frank to be with Joe, it'd be too much like Sleepless in Seattle, which played out that exact scenario with the same two leads. Bill Pullman rocked that scene, IMO.
@zanzaboonda
3 ай бұрын
@@radmomthoughts3507 I haven't watched Sleepless in Seattle in many years. I'll have to give that scene a rewatch!
@BrianRatkus
9 күн бұрын
Yeah; I think it was more of a surprise in You've Got Mail than fulfillment of a cliche. If they were interested in clichés, the moment would have been less mutual, thus checking off the "love triangle" box.
@OrangeHand
8 ай бұрын
I often find it weird when an entire romance happens within the span of a single movie. Even if there's chemistry between them, it'd be interesting to see more stories that end with characters deciding to go on a date and seeing where it goes instead of going right to kissing/canoodling.
@1970Phoenix
8 ай бұрын
That's one of the reasons I've been watching a lot of Korean and Chinese dramas. These are usually 15 to 30 hours of total runtime, which gives plenty of time for a satisfying romance to realistically and organically develop. That simply can't be done in a 90 minute movie.
@leolightfellow
8 ай бұрын
One of the things I love about the animated Mulan movie. So much more believable and realistic. And nothing more is needed since the audience can just fill in what happens after the movie themselves. :)
@leigh-anjohnson
8 ай бұрын
@@1970PhoenixI got sucked into k and c dramas recently. Moon Lovers and The Untamed are my favorites right now
@zanzaboonda
8 ай бұрын
@@leigh-anjohnson Yes! Been watching kdramas for years and recently started watching cdramas. One thing I give really refreshing is they don't seem to follow Western conventions for pacing and structure.
@Auburn_Zero
8 ай бұрын
@@leigh-anjohnson You might try Meteor Garden and Boys Over Flowers. My wife and daughter love both and I find them very tolerable.
@n00bplayer72
8 ай бұрын
For me, it's the COMPULSION for a relationship to become romantic. Like, if these two characters are best friends, then CLEARLY they must be romantically involved, desperately thirsting for each other, practically having babies already... Or they could just be good friends and leave it at that? Honestly, I feel romance is the lazy cop-out and a deep, meaningful platonic relationship (especially between a guy and a girl) is the harder one to write.
@Mattamillion-vk2pf
5 ай бұрын
There's an Indie movie I saw a year or so back. I can't remember the name, but it did that. They stayed friends all through the movie and didn't even kiss. I was surprised. It struck me harder than all that shallow Rom Com bullshit.
@tearstoneactual9773
8 ай бұрын
One of the ones I hate is the abusive/toxic relationship that becomes at least semi-healthy. The "I can change him" or "He is an asshole to everybody, but eventually loves/adores me" trope. While that's a great story, or it can be, showing development and growth... It perpetuates this really unhealthy, and unsafe, idea in the (largely female) audience's mind. It perpetuates the "He'll change" and "but I love him" mindsets in toxic, abusive relationships IRL. It perpetuates the continual acceptance of these relationships, right on into domestic violence territory.
@siegfriedmordrake3229
8 ай бұрын
Christian Grey entered the chat
@Perke2King
8 ай бұрын
Thank you 😊. I prefer childhood friends to romance trope. Cleo & Lewis is a good example. So is Tom and Shannon in Wolfblood.
@patnor7354
8 ай бұрын
Also Mr Darcy. And somehow he is the best loved hero in Austen's works. There is no denying how great an appeal this stuff has (and always has had) for women.
@hippolyte90
8 ай бұрын
@@patnor7354 In the case of Mr Darcy, it works because the character does genuinly change for the better and his rude behaviour has real consequences. Elizabeth Bennet rejects his proposal and really tears him down, says his manners aren't gentlemanly and that he was the last man in the world she would marry. To Darcy who is very much in love with her, that last line must've hurt like hell. And his rudeness damaged his reputation in Meryton and made the people there, and the Bennets, more inclined to believe and trust Wickham and his lies.
@siegfriedmordrake3229
8 ай бұрын
@@patnor7354 but people know Darcy is a bad person, right ?
@ericcutler4774
8 ай бұрын
Example of #4 except when it works is ending of Shrek when Donkey motivates Shrek and has Dragon fly them to stop Fiona's wedding. Also Dragon eats Farquad.
@MorganKing95
8 ай бұрын
Plus that "Shrek" is a satire on fairy tale movies, with even the wedding scene having cue cards and Farquaad choosing Fiona earlier in the movie as if it was a dating program
@tacoforce5
8 ай бұрын
my least favorite romance trope has gotta be the slow burn romance that goes nowhere. mordecai’s failed romances in regular show *did* develop him as a character but my god it was painful to see ride out
@ticijevish
8 ай бұрын
The miscommunication trope immediately kills the likeability of both the characters involved. They "suffer intense emotional pain" and "existential loneliness" which could be completely avoided by saying a simple sentence out loud. When characters act like stroppy teens, they become as disliked as stroppy teens.
@ludovico6890
8 ай бұрын
Regarding tacked on romance, I have an anecdote about it. Many years ago I wrote a script for a crime movie and I asked a friend, who is a professional actor, to take a look at it. The script wasn't good for many reasons (too much description, too many details, too much dialogue, etc.) But he told me something important was lacking: a romance subplot between the male lead (a private eye) and the female lead (the widow of a reformed mobster). He told me one of the things producers wanted to make a movie profitable was a romantic subplot with two good looking (and as famous as possible) actors getting it on.
@jesusromanpadro3853
5 ай бұрын
In this case, the viewers will expect a romance between the private eye and a female character involved in the case. You will have to work in telling the viewer that this isn't going to be part of the story to work. How Frame Roger Rabbit is a good example of how to do this right.
@xeroprotagonist
8 ай бұрын
I've had all five of these things basically happen in my own life. They don't even feel realistic when they're actually happening to you.
@nou1186
8 ай бұрын
You must have an eventful life lol
@AhimtarHoN
8 ай бұрын
Nickname checks out
@sheila19954
2 ай бұрын
Same but it's tired and boring as shit to read
@matthewlavagna6080
8 ай бұрын
A lot of films unnecessarily include a romantic interest for the protagonist, when instead they should simply focus on the main story goal.
@amorojaz27
8 ай бұрын
The tacked on romance was also between Finn and Rose in The Last Jedi. The part I really hated was when they kissed as the wall exploded behind them. Felt like something out of Starship Troopers.
@nou1186
8 ай бұрын
So romantic when she talked about “saving what we love” as everyone died.
@intergalactic92
8 ай бұрын
I can forgive that for the simple fact that Finn was as utterly confused as we were. I could buy that Rose was that kind of idealist.
@amazingbecka1
7 ай бұрын
How dare you! Starship Troopers is a cinematic masterpiece! While being the absolute worst😂
@7LeagueShoes
8 ай бұрын
#2 really irritates me. I've seen several movies (in different genres) where the woman breaks up with the man because of a misunderstanding, which is then resolved entirely by (drum roll please)... the man apologizing for hurting her without giving any explanation. A couple of examples off the top of my head are one in which the lead female was walking past a hallway at a party and looked up in the split second that the male protagonist was kissing another girl. The other girl was evil, and had come out of another room and surprised the man, who was disgusted by her and the kiss, because she hated the other woman and wanted them to break up. The other was in a comedy about a man who was addicted to sex, but began to find it unfulfilling. Near the end, he handcuffed himself to the bed to keep from touching himself while waiting for the girl he'd fallen in love with to stop by. When that girl came to his place, *he was literally being raped* by another woman, who was doing it to get money. In the end of both of these, there was no discussion with the two romantic leads. It was entirely the woman saying "You hurt me", and the man saying "I'm really sorry and it will never happen again.".
@nou1186
8 ай бұрын
That’s so insufferable. Especially the second one, what the fuck.
@ilDSttaro
8 ай бұрын
The second one is 40 Days and 40 Nights and i've found that part of the movie utter ridiculous even the first time i saw it and at the time i was a teenager affected by hormones that wanted to be in the guy's place cause i didn't know any better.
@captainwohop
Ай бұрын
Yes, that scene at the end of 40 days and 40 nights was so unrealistic and a real vibe killer. I think anyone of us could've written a better replacement scene. Love that movie but wth was that??
@Kizzy-pu4he
Күн бұрын
The only thing is that movie sounds all too weird. Movies about sex and not love I find totally uninteresting. Rape movies, either the man or woman raping, isn't a recipe for love.
@Kalond_irlanda
8 ай бұрын
SOOO glad you touched on the Rey and Kylo fiasco... I felt exactly the same way and actually cringed as well as dropped my jaw from shock.
@grilled_platypus
8 ай бұрын
I started laughing in the theater because it was so bizarre. XD
@lacountess
8 ай бұрын
The romance cliche I hate is the lazy underdog guy winning the girl at the end simply because her current boyfriend treats her so horribly she has to run to the protagonist for a slightly less awful relationship.
@idontexistasofthismoment
3 ай бұрын
It’s a crappy trope and I hate it, it’s just lazy. …And I hate to admit it but Little Shop of Horrors is still one of my favorite movies ever
@gregsky01
8 ай бұрын
I hate when one or both of the love interests exhibit a series of toxic behaviour that in many cases is borderline abusive and in the end they still get together or all is forgiven because "love makes you do crazy things." See Ross and Rachel. By the end I don't feel like they're gonna live happily ever after. I feel like they're gonna end up killing each other because their relationship is so volatile and they're always hurting each other. Now he's convinced her to give up her dream job to be with him in the end and we've just to assume that it's gonna be different than the other 999 times they've gotten back together? How? There are hundreds of shows and movies that follow couples like this where they keep doing terrible things to each other and you're supposed to want them to make it and it's like nails on a chalkboard to me.
@Mila-OPetr
8 ай бұрын
Exactly what I thought, when I saw it
@benjaminwatt2436
8 ай бұрын
Also when there is a break up and both couples start having wild sex with other partners, only to get back together. it makes both characters seem shallow
@juliegolick
8 ай бұрын
I especially hate miscommunications where the issue can be solved in the span of two sentences ("I saw you kissing that woman!" "She's my sister!"), but the story contrives to never let the characters have a scene where they talk to each other about it. This is especially common in historical romance. And, sure, partly it's the social conventions at the time, but often it just feels like the writer is struggling to figure out a way to extend this super-easily-solved conflict. I want to shake the characters by the lapels and shout "USE YOUR WORDS DAMNIT!"
@Halliwell0Rain
8 ай бұрын
Tbh if I saw my significant other kissing their sister like that...
@LosAnggraito
8 ай бұрын
"I flinched like a truck had run over my foot" OMG 😂😂😂
@KristianKumpula
8 ай бұрын
5:44 Why is he breaking up with her in a restaurant? He must have thought that she would probably get emotional, so it seems odd that he chose a public place where it would cause embarrassment for both of them.
@benjaminwatt2436
8 ай бұрын
There are a few examples of miscommunication causing a break up. In the first Shrek, he hears Fiona talking about not wanting to be with a monster. Shrek would have no reason to think she was talking about herself in the 3rd person, so the comment makes sense with the plot but also works with what Shrek knows by that point in the movie. it really adds a lot of tension and allows Shrek to act like a selfless hero in the third act
@Ninaproductions2020
8 ай бұрын
Tacked on romance and toxic romance seen as sweet are the worst
@mqfii8992
8 ай бұрын
Although not exactly a trope, it's disturbing to me that, ever since Twilight, a lot of Teen/YA stories pretty much *ROMANTICIZES* toxic relationships.
@AnotherDuck
8 ай бұрын
It's _much_ older than that.
@davidaleshire4292
8 ай бұрын
Ah, the misunderstanding. My absolute least favorite. That is probably every single Hallmark Channel movie back to the beginning of HC. I’d love to get more Do’s and Don’ts on romance in writing.
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
8 ай бұрын
I've got another romance-related video planned for next week, so keep an eye out for it
@davidaleshire4292
8 ай бұрын
I look forward to it. It’ll probably help with the one I’m working on now, as well as a few others I’m considering.
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