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@18Countrygirlforever
2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you have references for some of the pictures and images that you used? There are several of them that are really cool and I'd like to have prints of, but I'm not sure where to find them.
@TheVintageGuidebook
2 жыл бұрын
Dress shields ABSOLUTELY need to come back. Hate when cute clothes are ruined by pit-stains!
@maryeckel9682
2 жыл бұрын
It also makes them impossible to resell, adding to fashion waste!
@bunhelsingslegacy3549
2 жыл бұрын
I fond the worst stains were from when I used antiperspirant (which I'd just sweat through), haven't ruined the pits of any of my clothes since I switched to just deoderant. And I smell better too.
@allyourbase888
2 жыл бұрын
Anti perspiration contains aluminum which stains clothing yellow.
@RefractedStarlight
Жыл бұрын
I inherited a couple of vintage party dresses from my grandmother and one of them (from the early 1960s if I am any judge, which I may or may not be) came with her old dress shields in the pits, safety pinned in place. I did throw those out as I don't want to wear someone else's decades-old sweat and they were sort of... disintegrating, but the construction appeared to be layers of flannel on top of a layer of vinyl. They actually do still sell dress shields - you can buy them at sewing shops around where I live, both large chain and smaller. It is a shame they aren't more mainstream and I didn't know about them until about ten years ago, but they do exist!
@princessdaisy4134
Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@k80_
2 жыл бұрын
I can totally see a mom in 1918 bringing her teen daughter to buy underwear or fabric for it and totally rolling her eyes at all the colors she’s excited about. Like in 2013 when high school me was wearing leggings as pants with chunky sweaters and combat boots and my mom telling me I looked ridiculous (“that’s a lotta look.”) People have never changed :,)
@jjudy5869
2 жыл бұрын
Or be a teen-ager in the mid to late '60s. Mother was very honest about my short chubby legs and mini-skirts.
@jenchan4817
2 жыл бұрын
Leggings, bulky sweaters, and combat boots was a thing in the 1980s, you’re mom really shouldn’t have been shocked by it coming back.
@k80_
2 жыл бұрын
@@jenchan4817 hah, yeah that 2010s tumblr fashion was pretty much a late 80s/ early 90s revival period what with the dyed hair and band tees and crew necks and big combat boots. Maybe she saw herself and cringed, lol
@annabeinglazy5580
2 жыл бұрын
@@k80_ tbf i mum absolutely HATES leggings because she sees them as 1980s items and she hated the quality of Leggings at the time. Modern Leggings are constructed a bit differently than the Leggings that i remember from the 90s, but to her theyre the Devils clothing haha When i was in my later Teens and people started wearing leggings as jeans she went on Long unprompted rants about how much she hates sportswear and aerobics 😂
@beckstheimpatient4135
2 жыл бұрын
And, to some extent, neither does fashion. How many times in the last century alone have big shoulders been fashionable? I've seen modern clothes that are 100% 1980s, which of course was a rerun of 1940s. We've had empire waistlines popping in and out for literal centuries. Now if we could have sexy men in tight stockings again I would be very grateful - show off those calves, Gentlemen!
@roxiepoe9586
2 жыл бұрын
While working as a waitress in the 1970's my brilliant boss decided that we needed to wear coloured bras that would show through our uniform blouses as this would attract the attention of the male customers and enhance traffic and increase profits. This was the Breakfast Shift in a Truck Stop!!!!! The best thing about being a good waitress is that one can change jobs in seconds and one's customers often followed one to the next job. lol The underware sagas are unending.
@sarahtaylor4264
2 жыл бұрын
That is straight up sexual harassment.
@agcons
2 жыл бұрын
Let me guess: the expense of purchasing the coloured brassieres was going to be all on the staff, not management, right?
@kellysouter4381
2 жыл бұрын
Boss was male, I suppose? Who was this really for?
@diannenixon621
2 жыл бұрын
My freshman year of college (1970) I worked in various fast food joints, the uniforms were interesting. I was a carhop at a Root Beer place and we wore hot pants and white blouses...I quit when the white blouse became sheer (a 17 year old wearing a 34A did not want to show the world what she didn't have)..
@J-sv9dp
8 ай бұрын
@@kellysouter4381You'd be surprised how quickly bosses who work with a lot of attractive women can become desensitised to such things... It's for his benefit of course, but not necessarily in the way you imagine. Sleazy though the policy was, it could well have been a profitable business move given its being marketed towards long-distance truck drivers, especially if it means losing staff and hiring new (and probably younger) replacements on a regular basis... I suspect his decision had more to do with profit than his own personal gratification.
@singerofsongs468
2 жыл бұрын
I’m super curious to know if there was some kind of “kids these days” backlash against the rising neckline on the smock going into the 16th century. I bet it would mirror the way some folks talk about modern day visible lingerie: “Why would they design a shirt that you can see through?? How pointless and trashy!” (It should be clear but this is not my opinion btw!) The inclusion of lace and embroidery to the neckline reminds me of how lace bralettes, designed to be visible, had a huge surge in popularity a few years ago.
@NicoleRudolph
2 жыл бұрын
I think most of our aversion to modern visible underwear comes from modesty and purity culture that really developed in the 19th and 20th centuries. So much artwork from the 15th and 16th century would be scandalously bare even by modern standards! I feel like it was more likely the working class going "UGH those rich people are even managing to wear impractical fancy underwear!"
@singerofsongs468
2 жыл бұрын
@@NicoleRudolph Fascinating, thanks for the reply!!
@limecilla7612
2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, decorated shifts were first a Muslim fashion that became popular among Iberian christian kingdoms in 13th Century. Sleeves and necklines were embroidered with blackwork (they were called "camisas margomadas") and worn under sleeveless kirtles. I don't remember if there was any backlash at the time for being a Muslim fashion, but there's a lot of iconography of the time, many related to court scenes, so probably people didn't care a lot about what preachers said. This kind of blackwork embroidered underwear maintained popularity and spreaded among Europe in 16th Century, along with the rise of Spanish power, because fashion and political and economic influence often go hand in hand.
@josephinedykstra3383
2 жыл бұрын
@@limecilla7612 That's fascinating! The common history of blackwork (in English) always starts with its arrival from Spain with Catherine of Aragon in the 16th c, so it's cool to hear more about its origins!
@alessandrammms
2 жыл бұрын
@@limecilla7612 that’s so interesting, thank you for sharing! I love learning a bit more about historical fashion from countries that don’t usually get much attention from costubers. I have looked a little into Spanish fashion history, but unfortunately my limited Spanish is a bit of a barrier. I’ll definitely search camisas margomadas to learn a bit more.
@katwitanruna
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the linen. I did a test with three different chemises at TnRF. One linen, one silk, and one cotton which I wore all day on various types of weather making sure they were all worn on both hot and cold days. Linen won hands down.
@blktauna
2 жыл бұрын
linen is the absolute winner
@DAYBROK3
2 жыл бұрын
nice to know
@kellysouter4381
2 жыл бұрын
Comfort cloth, lovely to wear.
@binary_terror2
2 жыл бұрын
interesting. Most of the time I’ve had good luck with linen, but one of the hottest and sweatiest shirts I’ve ever owned was linen. Not sure what was going on there.
@beckstheimpatient4135
2 жыл бұрын
Linen shift, linen kirtle, woolen overdress - I've worn this combination many times and it's SO cozy even well into winter! Remove the wool overdress and It's a solid choice even on warmer days, although I don't have a summer kirtle yet so I have no idea how it'll hold up to shoe-melting levels of inner city heat.
@seasoncolorandpi
2 жыл бұрын
I love dress shields! When I was on a folk dance team in college we were required to wear them in our costumes. They were so great at protecting our incredible costumes.
@themaddiemads
2 жыл бұрын
As a history nerd, I love telling people who haven't really studied history, or who don't have much interest, about the lack of underpants for centuries. The realization that people were going commando under their shifts/shirts for so long really seems to blow their mind, and it's fun for me cause they sometimes become interested in having more history conversations.
@pamwaldron2566
2 жыл бұрын
So... Bare bottoms were the reason ladies had to ride side saddle if they rode horses at all? That, plus ladies weren't allowed even split skirts until the late 1800s-early 1900s. Apparently the sight of a woman's legs (clad in fabric or bare) drove men mad with passion. Pervs.
@madscientistenby9572
2 жыл бұрын
okay but the history of this is really fascinating?? it sounds so silly but it's so interesting to see how underwear changes alongside with fashion
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
Same!
@bossyboots5000
2 жыл бұрын
I agree! I've been fascinated with undergarments lately. The idea of having a wardrobe of all linen or silk underthings sounds so nice and they look so lovely. Alas, they can't be worn comfortably under jeans, lol. Nicole, your undergarments are very nice and must be fun to play with. I love the combinations. What on earth did women do about their periods when there were no drawers/knickers? I would have thought that alone would have brought the invention of some close closed undergarment for extra protection against accidents. EDIT: I'm really enjoying your deep dives.
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
@@bossyboots5000 Check out Abby's video about periods! She not only talked about it, she made reproductions and tried them. Great video. :)
@bossyboots5000
2 жыл бұрын
@@thebookwyrmslair6757 Cool! Thanks for the tip. I only just discovered Abby, so I hadn't had the chance to see that yet. I really should not be so excited to know how women historically dealt with periods lol
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
@@bossyboots5000 Why not? I am! Every video Abby, Nicole, and their cohort post is one more glimpse into wisdom that has not passed down through the generations and must be discovered anew.
@hannnahm
2 жыл бұрын
My nan was born in 1915 in a very isolated and rural village, so fashions were probably 5-15 years behind the times. When you look at how dramatically undergarments changed over her lifetime, it's totally mind blowing. I remember her looking scandalized when I showed her my prom dress in 2002 and wasn't wearing a slip or shapewear (what she called a girdle) at all.
@JB-vd8bi
2 жыл бұрын
My grandmothers would be gobsmacked if they were here to see me wearing petticoats and slips willingly in 1950s dresses
@thespaceshuttlechallenger7882
2 жыл бұрын
My grandma was of the 20s, she lived just long enough to see me get into vintage fashion. I will never forget her wise words, "Why the hell would you want to wear that?!
@JB-vd8bi
2 жыл бұрын
@@thespaceshuttlechallenger7882 that also reminds me of my grandma! I asked to have some homewares when she was downsizing. She couldn't believe I wanted the things
@tulipqueen7106
3 ай бұрын
Lol, my grandma was slightly taken aback when she found out I wasn't wearing pantyhose to my prom in 2015. Definitely something that has gone out of style a lot more recently; I remember my mom wearing them regularly for formal occasions up until the early 2000's. But I can't say I'm mad about it.
@sarahbettany7546
2 жыл бұрын
Ah! I remember my elegant grandmother bemoaning the loss of armpit protectors as she watched an exultant M.P. with wet armpits on T.V.! That was the first time I discovered they existed - she sewed some into my wedding dress later on :)
@anthonymolloy3357
6 ай бұрын
I have no idea what algorithm led me here as a 66 year-old man interested in economics and ancient history but FASCINATING. Thank you, especially the idea that economic history (linen versus cotton) imposes imperfect solutions on our choices, even of underwear
@trenae77
2 жыл бұрын
Defining friendship … Nicole listing historical videos in her line up. She gets to bustles “Abby has a great video on Butts”. 🤣🤣🤣
@anna_in_aotearoa3166
2 жыл бұрын
Can 100% recommend Abby's "Butts" and "Boobs" historical retrospectives! 👍👍 It's completely fascinating to see how the "ideal" feminine silhouette has changed so much over time (she covers just Western European, would be awesome to see an international version?) It really helps to put current 'hot bod' trends into a huge amount of perspective, which I think is helpful for all and especially valuable for young people?
@SingingSealRiana
5 ай бұрын
In which she Featured herself!
@irissalls4265
2 жыл бұрын
Very very interesting. Strange to think that our chemise/slip and our supportive garments switched places, even going from having few or no supportive garments that we have extant examples of from the early middle ages and before, to now having no layer to protect our clothing from us and vice versa... What a huge change in priority and necessity!!
@TealCheetah
2 жыл бұрын
Dress shields absolutely need to come back as a thing!
@chophouse404
2 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute. Clothes used to have armpit shields?! What petition can I sign to bring these back? I've just been adding little squares of fabric to the armpits of my favorite shirts and dresses or extra strips of binding for sleeveless things....
@NicoleRudolph
2 жыл бұрын
I've started seeing them again! There's loose ones and ones built into t-shirts now (Numi does the later)
@Lolino
2 жыл бұрын
They're actually for sale in sewing shops sometimes, the ones meant to just be basted in and then removed and washed. I've heard of ones that basically work as a period pad, with a sticky side, but honestly that just sounds all kinds of wasteful? You can also make your own from flannel or something and just baste in and remove and wash.
@charischannah
2 жыл бұрын
I knew a costumer who used the sticky dress shields to minimize how often she had to wash all the clothes during the run of a show, and in that instance, the disposable ones make sense.
@agcons
2 жыл бұрын
They were very popular with women of my mother's vintage, who came of age during World War II. It saved a lot of money on dry-cleaning and extended garment life. I've long seen them in sewing shops - not always, but frequently.
@lenabreijer1311
2 жыл бұрын
They went out of style in the late 50s as washing machines became more common. Washing clothes without a machine is a really big chore and the armpit shields meant your blouse stayed clean longer. My mother didn't get a washing machine until the 60s and it was one of the chores I helped with. I LOVE washing machines.
@Chibihugs
2 жыл бұрын
Who knew there was so much history and so much to learn about underwear. I'm curious if men underwear had as many evolutions over the centuries.
@sarahwatts7152
2 жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to know how they went from a shift/tunic to tighty whities
@agcons
2 жыл бұрын
There was a program in the '80s or '90s on mens' underwear on one of the cable channels - A&E perhaps. I don't remember all that much about it, but yes, there was a similar evolution, from loin cloths (so way, way back) to modern-day thongs, bikinis, boxer briefs, and so on.
@ragnkja
2 жыл бұрын
@@agcons They also had a few centuries of the shirt being their only undergarment. That’s actually why loose shirttails are considered improper in all but the most informal circumstances.
@limecilla7612
2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahwatts7152 you can find something similar to tighty whities in 15th century, because men's fashion needed to reduce fabric volume under the fashionable joined hose.
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the Cherokee play in Tahlequah, OK (forgive me, I can't remember its name, just that it was about the Cherokee Nation's history in Oklahoma from the Trail of Tears through the state's founding.) The one scene I still remember vividly 30+ years later was when a teenager was getting ready for a shindig and the mother was scandalized that the young woman was only wearing ONE petticoat. Something about the shock and outrage of that mother stuck in my pre-teen mind, only to randomly play in my head ever since. 🙃
@sayhello5377
2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad for the timing of this video. I have a stressful medical situation going on and I will have my test results back on Friday. I have been anxious all evening that it’s very bad news. This should hopefully get my mind off it for a little while… if anyone reads this, I’d appreciate your thoughts and prayers. ❤
@victoriaa.993
2 жыл бұрын
Sending hugs. I hope you get good news.
@maryeckel9682
2 жыл бұрын
Sending best hopes
@emilylouise9705
2 жыл бұрын
This is going to sound like a daft question, but I swear I'm being serious and would be interested in an answer! I pretty much wear either tights or leggings every day, partly because I live in a pretty chilly climate, but also because I like wearing skirts and dresses - but if I don't have a layer of something or another separating my upper thighs, they tend to get a bit, well, "angry" at each other (aka chub rub!). Before drawers became popular, back when the shift was the standard undergarment, I wonder if this was ever an issue that dress-wearers experienced? Or were they just so used to it that it didn't bother them?
@NicoleRudolph
2 жыл бұрын
Just pull the shift between the legs and you're good to go!
@raraavis7782
2 жыл бұрын
@@sarar4901 Yeah, I have a hard time, seeing that working. Surely, it would slip out after a bit of walking and you can't exactly readjust anything easily under a long, heavy skirt. Definitely not while out and about. I'm confused about the hair thing as well, though. I don't have hair to speak off on my inner upper thighs. Is that unusual?
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
@@raraavis7782 TMI, but if your body is anything like mine you will... 😈 I got through my 20s and 30s only having to pay for a lower leg wax. Sadly, no more.
@raraavis7782
2 жыл бұрын
@@thebookwyrmslair6757 Oh no 😅 Well, there's always IPL. Got the hair on my lower legs eradicated years ago. Well worth the money. Shaving always made my skin super dry and the cost of regular waxing adds up over time, too.
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
@@raraavis7782 I had that, too... but my hair was stubborn. 😆
@bethliebman8169
2 жыл бұрын
So interesting! You have a great collection of historic underwear. I was happy to hear about your '20's capsule wardrobe again. I look forward to the grand reveal when it is complete. Keep up the good work.
@janisi9262
2 жыл бұрын
This is such a wonderful video, thank you! I'm in my mid-thirties, but still grew up wearing undershirts and slips under my school uniform. This was partly for modesty, but mostly my attempt at keeping warm, because those uniforms were thin! I do like slips under my skirts to prevent the skirt from bunching up on my legs, tights, or leggings, but modern slips are ugly and don't breathe and are awful, so I picked up some Bemberg rayon and a little bit of lace and have been making my own.
@sharbean
2 жыл бұрын
The function of the slip was also to cover the bra and knickers to smooth the silhouette and add an opaque layer when the outer garment was made of sheer and clingy fabrics.
@theresaanndiaz3179
2 жыл бұрын
These "History of " videos are fascinating. You do such a great job of showing the transitions and explaining the reasons for the changes. I'm looking forward to whatever you deep dive into next.
@FlybyStardancer
2 жыл бұрын
It’s neat to see how some things change, and how other things hang on for a surprisingly long time!
@miippi
2 жыл бұрын
Where was this video when I had to research this for a theater production? Next year, we're gonna do everything historical undergarments up.
@TheUselessbuthappy
2 жыл бұрын
I remember helping my grandma put on her girdle before church. I was raised by my grandma. She was born in 1931 and me in 1989. I grew up with girdles, slips, and pantyhose being a very important thing. Also my grandma called underwear "drawers/draws". I haven't worn any of those things since I've moved out, i dont even wear bras. But I do like thigh high socks with dresses and shirts which is apparently not fashionable haha
@amandaashford6224
8 ай бұрын
My British grandmother was born in 1916. In the mid 1930s she stayed overnight at her future mother in law’s home and while undressing, her mil asked ‘where’s your combos?’ Meaning cotton chemise and drawers.
@relax2dream164
2 жыл бұрын
At first as a young teenager if I wanted to wear stockings I used a harder belt. But within a year, as hemlines soared, pantyhose came in. What a great invention. ❤️🇨🇦
@cheryldenkins1597
9 ай бұрын
My mother worked for J P Steven's hosiery in California during that time period. She was part of the design team that changed where the hose met the panty. Before that the nylon of the panty came partway down the thigh before changing to hose, showing under those short skirts we wore.
@justmedidi
2 жыл бұрын
this was so cool to watch. my mom got me into wearing slips under my dresses and skirts not too long ago and i appreciate the extra coverage and moisture wicking! so cool to learn more about how undergarments were back then and how they evolved. cool stuff
@MsSavvy9
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe 18 or 20 years ago I went to a lingerie history exhibit and it was so exciting. I didn't even know how obsessed I would be now 😄 Just starting the video. Loving the shape and color of your hairstyle!
@RychaardRyder
2 жыл бұрын
22:16 i suddenly thought of the closet historian and im sure she would absolutely love this
@ginadelfina5887
2 жыл бұрын
I liked the video - fashion changes through the centuries but from a slightly different point of view. Also, yes to dress shields. I sew my own out of fabric scraps (it's basically like two curved, half-moon shapes sewn together). They make clothes stay nice-looking for so much longer.
@bookNerd151
2 жыл бұрын
how do you keep them in place - but (presumably) not so securely attached that you can't remove and wash them separately? I'd LOVE to make the switch from disposable to reusable dress shields!!
@ginadelfina5887
2 жыл бұрын
@@bookNerd151 With four little safety pins per dress shield. The two little curved shapes are sewn together along the concave sides, leaving a small seam allowance. Two of the safety pins go through that and also through the seam allowance on the underarm of the clothing. The other two safety pins go at the top and bottom of dress shield to keep it from flapping around (just directly through the dress shield and through the other seam allowances of the underarm). I hope that makes sense.
@AlexaFaie
2 жыл бұрын
@@ginadelfina5887 Does the bulk from the safety pins not bug you? Or are the shields padded enough not to feel them? I'm imagining them being uncomfortable but I am pretty hypersensitive to stuff (one of my absolute favourite parts of being autistic! /s) so was wondering how they compared to other things. Like are they clothes tag level of irritating or thick seams on jeans level irritating or just more like sock elastic being forever noticeable but guess I can cope with it to keep my feet warm level? 🤣
@ginadelfina5887
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexaFaie Maybe more like the socks? I use very small safety pins, so I think they are hardly noticeable most of the time.
@dawnmoriarty9347
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh! So THAT'S why my grandmother had little safety pins in the arms of every dress! She never explained why, although we certainly knew her rule about a safety pin through the knicker elastic of every......single......,pair she owned (In case of elastic breaking). When she died, I found more than 100 sets of knickers, unused, with the packaging opened enough on each one to insert a safety pin!
@neonpinkqueen1403
2 жыл бұрын
I think I need that style of smock with the big poofy sleeves I know that's not exactly what it's meant for but length the hem and potentially some gussets,,, nightgown of my dreams
@ragnkja
2 жыл бұрын
They were used as sleepwear as well :)
@bossyboots5000
2 жыл бұрын
I was also thinking of making historical undergarments to use as sleepwear. 😊
@nospoonfulofmayonnaiseforme
7 ай бұрын
go for it!!
@andreahargrove6809
2 жыл бұрын
Was the access to piped water for washing and machines not a contributing factor for everything? Earlier centurys washing meant shleping copious amounts of water from a well, boiling it( go get fire wood) etc. a contributing factor to the change of undergarments ?
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
SnappyDragon just posted a great video about medieval Washing Day / The Great Wash on her channel! And English Heritage has a Victorian laundress video to go with their Mrs. Crocombe videos. :)
@saritshull3909
2 жыл бұрын
Can we start a petition for linen tap pants? I think that's the all-around best solution for modern times and clothing styles. I'm going to try to make some. Please let me know if anyone has a good pattern.
@RefractedStarlight
Жыл бұрын
Did you make some? I know Vera Venus has instructions on how to draft your own custom tap pants pattern (I have yet to try it, I have so many projects on the backburner)
@cinemaocd1752
2 жыл бұрын
This video really helped me to connect the dots on so many things for me. I have some camis from the teens that now I'm realizing were meant to be worn UNDER a bra. It makes so much more sense to me because they are just so delicate that I think they would not have worked over a more structured support.
@lizfrancisco4787
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, bring back the dress shields!!!
@makeda6530
2 жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful collection of underthings~ Yes, please, dress shields, we need them back. It's so hard to find good deodorant that isn't 'bad' for you that doesn't also leave awful stains on your clothes. (>ᗣ
@spameranne
2 жыл бұрын
thanks for another wonderful deep dive into fashion history, Nicole! highly informative and thorough, as always. :) I've been wanting to design some new-timey underthings that use techniques from different historical periods, but it's been really difficult to envision them clearly so far. your videos always help make greater sense of any costuming confusion, and this one's no exception. wishing you well!
@josephinedykstra3383
2 жыл бұрын
Same- I want a Lengberg bra top and a pair of Regency short stays to wear every day
@bellablue5285
2 жыл бұрын
Given how often I have to tuck my tank under my band to avoid it cutting into me, I find it fascinating that an underlayer only went away in the last 100yrs or so. Fascinating video either way. Thank you!
@sophiamontano3705
2 жыл бұрын
You should do ASMR of classical books for naps. You’re voice is so relaxing to me! Great video, thanks!
@rat3367
2 жыл бұрын
This video just reminded me of my abandoned half done 1880s combinations that I measured poorly and now is too small on the thighs and needs more overall length
@robintheparttimesewer6798
2 жыл бұрын
Add a decorative waist band for length and some gores for the thighs. Make sure that they are both decorative so you can say it was a design choice!
@karladenton5034
2 жыл бұрын
Insertion lace covers (expands) a multitude of issues LOL.
@robintheparttimesewer6798
2 жыл бұрын
What to add by decorative it could be a different weave of the fabric or a different fabric all together. Piecing is period so the sky’s the limit. Heck add something completely different that amuses you. Decorative doesn’t have to be complicated it can just be a flare of colour. Just because nothing survives with different fabrics doesn’t mean it wasn’t done. Given the price of fabric and some of the random things found in linings it’s a good bet that sometimes people just made do with what they had.
@rat3367
2 жыл бұрын
If I could kiss y'all. I would. Thanks for the advice, I'll probably add decorative lace to spruce it up.
@dsvance1
2 жыл бұрын
When my mom and I were making my trousseau (yes, I'm that old!), we measured wrong for one of the skirts and it came out too small around, even though I had a 24" waist. We simply inserted a two-inch wide strip to each side seam to correct the mistake. It looked like a design decision and worked quite well.
@Mongoly8
2 жыл бұрын
"new inventions they are great right?" I laughed so hard at this... shiny (new) object syndrome is such a problem.
@ebelskivers123
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I'm starting to convert my wardrobe into 1920's-30's style and I needed this info
@kellysouter4381
2 жыл бұрын
Going public? Bold!
@krachr1
2 жыл бұрын
Miss Rudolph this was an amazing report. I have wondered about all this information my entire life. It felt like a book that I will put into my good bookcase with the glass doors that I will reference often for the rest of my life. I can not compliment you enough for this vid! Thank You Thank You!
@agimagi2158
2 жыл бұрын
Such a lovely collection of historical underwear, I'm especially fond of you 17th century one, I need to make myself something like that cuz those sleeves 😍. And I loved learning about the evolution, very well made video as always!
@jennifercourtemanche9793
2 жыл бұрын
Please keep going down an entire rabbit warren! I love these deep dives.
@OcarinaSapphr-
2 жыл бұрын
It’s all good, Nicole! Izabel from PriorAttire wore bright pink bike shorts when she did her myth busting video!
@sparkybish
2 жыл бұрын
I wore slips and a girdle pretty regularly until about 20 years ago. It makes me feel so old.
@carmendavila272
Жыл бұрын
I finally just ordered an all-cotton bra, after my “normal” polyester ones from Target started giving me a burning rash. It’s getting hard to find clothing that isn’t polyester 😫
@Cricket2731
Жыл бұрын
It's really rough finding clothes when you're allergic to polyester!
@sarar4901
2 жыл бұрын
So are the split drawers basically just to prevent chub rub initially? Since they're under the shift anyway, I can't see why they would be needed to protect the skirts from the skin. As a chronic chub rub sufferer it tickles me to imagine my foremothers inventing a whole garment to avoid it and looking at our modern panties in horror that they can't do that job at ALL. Or perhaps it's a mix of chub rub and sweat control (which are related aims).
@NicoleRudolph
2 жыл бұрын
The benefit of long linen skirt like garments under everything is that pulling them up between your legs is VERY effective and can't be seen. Loads of experience with this in Virginia summers!
@sarar4901
2 жыл бұрын
@@NicoleRudolph Interesting! I would not have guessed that that would stay put well enough to help much. Can't beat experimental archaeology for stuff like that.
@lygophilia4127
2 жыл бұрын
When you haven't gotten rid of your old underwear for the last...oh, 500 years.
@insulaarachnid
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nicole, this was really interesting. I agree with bringing back dress shields!
@smeastwest
2 жыл бұрын
I learn sooooo much from you, Nicole! Your videos are packed to the gills with knowledge. The very gills!
@SusanS588
2 жыл бұрын
Just an aside-loved seeing your Nessie tea infuser! Just a little extra tag to help me distinguish this video from your others that are definitely worth re-watching.
@sandy1128
2 жыл бұрын
Grandma (1886-1982) called, what you call knickers, step- ins.
@yoclark2723
2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother always called my panties "pantalettes". I think she just got used to saying that from her mother and grandmother. My mom was an inveterate half slip and garter belt wearer as she was a "modern girl". I wore a girdle with hose clips in my teen years in the 60s. When panty hose came out, I chucked the girdle and just used those and a half slip.
@emilyrln
2 жыл бұрын
Those step-ins are super heckin' cute!
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
Another TMI question: Nicole, along the lines of inner thigh rub and periods (yes, I've seen Abby's wonderful video on menstruation in ye olden days), do we have any idea how older women who had borne children dealt with the whole stupid sneeze-pee issue? I can't imagine that this is a recent phenomenon of only modern times... yet I also know that if I don't use liners, I smell very... fragrant... after just a few hours. (Stupid, undignified present of the body after birthing a child....)
@rdb4996
2 жыл бұрын
Good question! Honestly I wonder if a woman sneezing was socially acceptable (sign off illness?) and if they wouldn't avoid it as much as possible.
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
@@rdb4996 I've never been able to do the mouse-squeak sneeze... and huge props to those who did figure it out. I have no clue if people who can suppress their sneezes deal with the same issue. You can usually hear me sneeze from a few rooms away. 🤧
@bookNerd151
2 жыл бұрын
I love your question, and I imagine it was even more of an issue for women then, since the average number of pregnancies was so much higher (and post-partum care so much worse)! I've never been pregnant, and I still have stress incontinence (sneezing, coughing, certain kinds of exercise...). I'm currently working with a pelvic floor physical therapist, and I cannot recommend it enough!! If there's a financial barrier, there are stretches and exercises online that (with time and consistency) can help. I hate that we as women are just expected to accept the 'inevitable'. Truthfully, our pelvic health is so much less studied, understood and invested in than men's (noteworthy: this is not the case in other countries! their post-partum care often targets pelvic floor weakness)
@rdb4996
2 жыл бұрын
@@thebookwyrmslair6757 same for me haha. I think I would be one of those ladies who constantly had a lace handkerchief in my hand to dab my nose to avoid sneezes 😂 And yes, in case I would have been poor I would have had a _problem_.
@lorisewsstuff1607
2 жыл бұрын
From what I have read, women were confined to bed rest for the least little thing. If you had the sniffles you stayed in bed. Women stayed in bed before and long after childbirth. Some older women rarely got out of bed. I have wondered there is a connection with all this confinement and bladder leakage. In bed all the messy things that happen to us aren't on public display. It's something to think about.
@almaalzu
4 ай бұрын
My dads aunt was born in 1903 and died in 1985, i can only imagine the amount of change in clothing she witnessed in her life! The same goes to my grandma who was born in 1918!
@eviescotia
2 жыл бұрын
Two visceral undergarment memories triggered by this video: washing very sweaty smelly theatre dress shields & having to wear a slip for Job's Daughters and absolutely hating it (adult me: why wasn't a white shirt and shorts an option? Why did I have to wear a rayon old lady slip?)
@SingingSealRiana
5 ай бұрын
What was not mentioned here, but linen also had a lot do do with hygene, not only protecting your over garments from your bodyodor and oild, but activly cleaning you! In tests wearing fresh linens everyday without washing yourself did a better job at keeping you clean, then washing yourself everyday, but not having access to fresh linens did! Fabrics like linen and hemp also have a selfcleaning property to a certain extent, similar to wool, meaning wearing them once and then giving them the opportunity to breath can freshen them up again without the need for an imidiet wash as you would have with coton or plastic. Added to tgat, linen is the only fiber that gets stronger when wet making is very resistant to wasing . . . .if only we still had access to the quality of linen befor our industrie got adapted for cotton . . .
@shannonmurphy7788
2 жыл бұрын
This video was so helpful, after watching, I was able to properly identify a mislabeled garment.
@amcluckie9837
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your videos. It is so fascinating, and so interesting to see how what we wear has changed over the centuries. Thank you.
@awkwardpotato7900
Жыл бұрын
I feel like it would have been funny to have put the undergarments on a dress form, and then even with the revealing one's of dress the dress form up more
@TheBusyJane
2 жыл бұрын
The gussets in underarms in the 15th cent. Is it possible that having a gusset there made them easier to repair? Since it's the underarms that wear out often because there's more friction and our sweat damages the fabric?
@distaff2935
2 жыл бұрын
Wondering how they dealt with laundering all the fine lace/smocking/embroidery on those shifts with high, gathered necklines. Also, thanks for the correction on the split-drawars (spell?) - I had understood them to have originated with hoops and crinolines. Anyway, those things make SO much sense! I wear full skirts all the time, and constantly regret that I have yet to make a pair.
@mirjanbouma
2 жыл бұрын
If my history teachers (save one) were half as good at talking about history as you are, I would have actually liked the subject in school! Also I really want linen undergarments, but I also usually wear jeans. 🤐
@dsvance1
2 жыл бұрын
History is made unbearably dry for a reason.
@makasady
Жыл бұрын
What is that piece of music beginning of the 19th century chemise/Regency era? It's haunting, and poignant to the ear!
@mrsvickigriffin
9 ай бұрын
I know my grandmother liked how I dressed I wore wool plaid skirts knee socks and flats and dresses. In super hot weather I wore shorts and sun dresses
@snowpawzvideos
2 жыл бұрын
time to bring it back… A lot of women these days aren’t wearing tightly fitted pencil skirts & sleeveless shirts The modern underwear is so poorly made & frankly very bad for the health of our skin
@anna_in_aotearoa3166
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of it has to do with the fabrics used - can't imagine how anybody is comfortable in polyester or nylon knickers, they just don't breathe and they tend to create odor? I'd love to see a comeback of linen! 😉
@robintheparttimesewer6798
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video!! I love following you down the rabbit hole! Any time you want to do a research video I’m there! So very much information it’s always great to learn fun things about history!
@Ashley_tipsyshades
2 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about silk undergarments further back in history, mostly because of all the novels I've been reading that keep talking about silk shirts and smocks and chemises, and then I usually yell at my book, but I was wondering if maybe I missed something that super rich aristocrats maybe sometimes wore silk undergarments
@vbrown6445
2 жыл бұрын
Silk stockings were definitely common. But no, not the shift/chemise.
@ariadne0w1
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the novels are probably wrong - conflating our modern, silky-smooth synthetic fabrics and the idea that silk = a sign of wealth. For undergarments, maybe lace where it would not be seen, as decadence, but not uncomfortable, ill-wearing silk for no reason.
@AlexaFaie
2 жыл бұрын
They sometimes used silk for the corsets (if rich enough to afford it) and sometimes outermost petticoat/underskirt so if you're including corsets & petticoats in the undergarments then it could be a thing, but not really for innermost layer. And I think I've seen some mention of silk chemises in the Victorian era solely in conjunction with the wedding trousseau for rich ladies. But special occasion underwear isn't the same as daily wear stuff.
@Ashley_tipsyshades
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexaFaie Yea historical romancce novels definitely seem to think that silk chemises and nightgowns are a thing, def not the corsets/stays or petticoats (Like half these women have stays on anyway)
@kathmorgan3429
2 жыл бұрын
27:22 "a lot of these SHIFTS are coming around"!
@ezra5500
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love it when you do videos like this!
@cassandrafisher2437
Жыл бұрын
I just got a book called dress and undress. It's about the history of undergarments.
@theresacopeland2451
2 жыл бұрын
this was so interesting and entertaining. makes me appreciate the (potential, if well-fit!) comfort of modern elasticated bras, but it also makes me want to sew some swishy gathered linen things.... thanks for another great video!
@jessiehermit9503
5 ай бұрын
Clothing is really clever, when you think about it. How did we start to make the cloth that we make clothing out of? Who figured that out? To pick a plant then start weaving it into cloth, then figure out how to make clothing from it?
@maemccleary3283
2 жыл бұрын
Can we just talk about how beautiful and classy Nicole is? Lol. The pale skin dark hair and deep red lip is such a wonderful look!
@MsSavvy9
2 жыл бұрын
When I transitioned from the thong or G string to boy shorts... it was the best! 🥰
@ah5721
2 жыл бұрын
this is fascinating!
@robstrck8
2 жыл бұрын
You popped up unexpectedly in my feed a couple weeks back and lead me to viewing some of your others. I really enjoy your content so I felt it was time to hit that subscribe button.
@_kmCarter
4 ай бұрын
I am at a loss as to why we continue to put up with wearing bras directly against the skin. The sweat. The chafing. The stinky bras that are ruined when washed. I’m about to bring back the shift.
@georgerobartes2008
Жыл бұрын
Except that the account books of St. Bartholomew's Hospital in London keeps records of laundering " drawers " during the period of the English Civil Wars in the 17th Century. As with many items of historic minutiae, it is likely that what was lated referred to as " unmentionables " , drawers were so common that no one bothered to record their existence unless money was required to service the item . Common sense regardless of time dictated life and common sense here suggests that no person would ruin an expensive shirt , shift , breeches ,dress for the sake of a pair of cheap linen draws .
@EnnameMori
2 жыл бұрын
I would not be able to live in the past for many reasons, but the horrific inner thigh chaffing for the 'larger figure' that comes with shifts and split drawers factors pretty high on my list.
@saritshull3909
2 жыл бұрын
you could make your split drawers tie higher up. I wear skirts exclusively and live in a hot climate with no aircon. and I find that chafing is only a problem in tighter skirts.
@EnnameMori
2 жыл бұрын
@@saritshull3909 Alas, I get chafing if my inseam on my trousers is not close enough to my underwear seam. It is spectacular and excruciating. No matter the temperature. Even when I was smaller I couldn't wear skirts with.nothing under them. My body just isn't made like that. I'd have to tie them so high they are a dress, or make the split so small they are more of a g-string and definitely not loose. And it doesn't do much for a shift! Guess I'll stay in the present and wear bike shorts under everything :)
@ariadne0w1
2 жыл бұрын
@@EnnameMori have you ever tried Bandelettes? They're meant to prevent chafing and I love the look of them, although I also stick with bike shorts for modesty reasons.
@kathrynmckay1638
2 жыл бұрын
I am very new to seeing and I have been looking for a pattern for a smock, exactly like the 15th century smock that you’ve shown. Do you know if a pattern or is it that magic you do with no pattern? Thank you I love your channel.
@katwitanruna
2 жыл бұрын
Look online for Drea’s custom smock pattern. It’s free.
@kathrynmckay1638
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO MUCH! 💕
@Betsyschugar
2 жыл бұрын
Bernadette and Abby also have videos on making shifts/smocks that are pretty simple like the one Nicole has, and Elin Abramsson (sewingthroughthepast) has a video on a different style of shift. All of them are pretty good about showing you how to find what measurements you need!
@kathrynmckay1638
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That gives me an excuse to scroll through more of these videos - what a lovely community.
@thebookwyrmslair6757
2 жыл бұрын
Morgan Donner has one, too, which I like because she's reviewing an old blog post after wearing the shift for a decade, so notes how she would change it as she makes herself a new one.
@luminousmoon86
2 жыл бұрын
It's weird hearing a slip talked about as a historical garment, since even into my childhood, most women, and even young girls, owned a slip. And I'm not that old, lol. I'd say it wasn't until my teen years (90s) that they were considered old fashioned and something only old ladies wore.
@bespoke_heirlooms
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this well researched video, I appreciate the effort that you put into your work and I enjoy how you show your collection on your body, so that someone with no knowledge can see a visual representation of the styles and changes!
@AnnapolisGirly
Жыл бұрын
I don’t sweat weirdly, except during higher intensity exercise or gardening in 90 degree weather so I am fascinated by dress shields. I wonder why? I’ve never worn deodorant.
@bethhanson6981
2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember seeing any of my aunts, cousins, etc wearing the ones you show for the 50's.they were more streamlined. I was born in 45.
@brianaschmidt910
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in a fairly diverse city. I'm still shocked whenever I see someone wearing what looks to me like a bra, or even worse, nipple pasties. OUT AND ABOUT! Like the boobies flopping about isn't a big deal. Braless I get, but shirtless too!? The girls need so much more support than two stickers! (Like I would never dare dream of telling them to change cuz your body your rules, but it's still weird to me to not be covered up at least)
@bunhelsingslegacy3549
2 жыл бұрын
Here, since the late 90s it's technically been legal to for women to go topless anywhere a man can. Most of us don't, because of unwanted attention, but it's nice to know we can. And also for breastfeeding purposes... And not everyone likes or needs support all the time, some of us do prefer free-range boobies whenever possible. And when it's hot, I will jog in just the sports bra and shorts. I wear those nipple things (or large band-aids work in a pinch) instead of a bra sometimes to prevent nipple abrasion when I have a shirt that's not a soft on the inside as I thought it was, cause bras generally irritate me if I have to wear them longer than physical activity deems necessary. The "fashion" trend I never liked was when the shirts don't tuck in and the pants are so low-cut that it is obvious to anyone looking in your general direction that you're wearing high-cut thong underwear. TMI, thanks. Oh and men's boxers sticking up three inches above their trouser waistband. Bleah.
@AlexaFaie
2 жыл бұрын
Boobs don't need support really other than what is comfortable for the boob haver. There's a much reported fallacy that wearing a bra prevents sagging when it does not.
@anna_in_aotearoa3166
2 жыл бұрын
Wow... I can't even imagine seeing somebody wandering down the street in a couple of pasties here 😅 Maybe it's partly a climate thing??
@AMcDub0708
11 ай бұрын
So if there was nothing else worn under the smock below….how did women deal with their menstrual bleeding???
@robinsiciliano8923
2 жыл бұрын
Mind blown! This was fascinating tbh.
@thespia
Жыл бұрын
So happy I just found this channel! This is my type of video :)
@Rustconfetti
2 жыл бұрын
So intresting! Can you pelase do one on men? 🙏🙏
@brendavanmatre7005
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, this was very well done and informative
@bluestar.8938
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Thank you lovely Nicole : )
@ChristopherDimitriousPhanara
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but i just love Nicole🤩🤩🤩
@alexisasheep6554
Жыл бұрын
How did they prevent chafing during these times then? Also those "dress shield" patches still exist but they're very uncommon in the west from what I can tell. I have seen the disposable ones that are a bit sticky on one side so you can attach it to your clothes on drop ship/fast fashion sites. They shouldn't be too complicated to make either.
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