Very informative and once again to me you proof you are the haute detective of horologerie! Well done Bill
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Erik, thanks man! Being a haute detective is my life's ambition. Many years ago, I wrote a book on detective investigation based on research I did--spending a year with actual police detectives. Kindest regards, Bill
@MrPINKFL0YD
10 ай бұрын
Love the garden and the birdies!
@watchartsci
10 ай бұрын
In the back our nearest neighbors are cashmere goats-best neighbors ever. And the birdies, HJB! Take care, Bill
@eden821
7 жыл бұрын
I am an ML guy. I don't care too much whether in house or not though. The cost of ownership / service for the in house variants will be far greater in the long run than the ETA based i think. Actually as an ML owner no one really cares about your watch, it is your thing for your pleasure. The problem with the company is that is there is always a battle between some very talented watch makers and marketing people / business people / owners with no really good strategy or implementation. The list price for most models are crazy compared to what your can buy them for on gray or used market. That is not a nice way to welcome new people to the brand to discover they overpaid to fund this apparatus.
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hello Eden and welcome to Watch ArtSci! That was a very interesting analysis of Maurice Lacroix as a business. Here's what I like about Maurice Lacroix: At $4,500 (MFSLP) for a brand new watch in pink gold with an in-house ML 190 (Calendrier Rétrograde) movement, I find that price hard-to-beat. (I happen to like the Masterpiece Calendrier Rétrograde with the white dial a lot). I'm sure you'd agree that the same price for a steel [Name any watch] with an ETA movement is a tad over-priced. In my book, Maurice Lacroix is one of the best deals around. Also, the aforementioned watch is in limited editions of 50. At least in this instance, it looks like that watchmakers AND marketers must have won an argument with one more group in every business: the accountants. I'd love to do a review of your collection, and hear more about your thoughts on ML. Kindest regards, Bill
@jovanjovanovic7610
5 жыл бұрын
eden nicely explained.
@matthewhoover6154
5 жыл бұрын
Do you know anything about the ML155? I just purchased a ML watch and the description says the ML 155 is the movement. Every blog says something different because according to Watch-Wiki ML has used Sellita SW200, Valjoux and ETA depending on the watch, but there is no info on the ML155. (Update: I found out it is the SW200 for the day/date). Plus, some brands, like an entry level Tag, which I was very attracted to before seeing the ML, cost around 3k new and have no resale value.
@crappyluxurypdx
3 жыл бұрын
Your backyard is amazing Like living in Shangra-La.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Crappy, thanks man. The grandkids call it 'paradise' and they live in a very upscale neighborhood outside of Boston. For the pandemic, it's been good because we're isolated and the area is low density. Very nice neighborhood with folks from different walks of life ... from working class to professionals. Great place to live. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@blakechinn5792
4 жыл бұрын
Your Outfit is amazing Bill. I didn't expect anything less. Great video
@watchartsci
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly Blake...before I retired from being a professor, I dressed more formally. Take care, Bill
@jamessantana2071
7 жыл бұрын
DEFINITELY THE "BEST" LACROIX REVIEW ON KZitem ... No one seems to review this brand in Detail like you did or even take it seriously & yet I read they were the 2nd best selling brand in Germany a few years back next to Rolex ... I grew up in New York City where you see 100's of Rolex's as Everyone owns one (Yes, they're ALL Fake) so very early I lost interest in this brand ... Last year my doctor showed me his Masterpiece 43mm Retro Moonphase Calendar with blue hands & large see thru mechanical caseback ... ABSOLUTELY BREATHTAKING & I fell in Love (He knew nothing of the brand, only that an elderly Jeweler was retiring & closing & had bargains & the Doc's wife wanted a Tag ... the Jeweler told the Doc that the Tag he'd just bought was "Crap" compared to the inhouse Lacroix so he also bought it & Loves it ... didn't know they still made hand wind watches from my Father's time) ... Now a year later my 3 favorite watches are my new Lacroix World Time 42mm, my #1 mint Masterpiece Moonphase Automatic Gold Triple Calendar 39mm (4 hands), & lastly #1 mint Masterpiece Retro Calendar Gold 43mm, 33 jewels, hand wind mechanical with detailed see thru caseback, for me a True Holorogical Work of Art (and as you say the brand sells for very very reasonable prices). Thanks For The Very Informative Review (P.S. I got the Fat Watch Book thanks to you). Major Jim, US Marines
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Jim, thanks man! I'm glad to hear you got Ryan Schmidt's 'Wristwatch Handbook' (...I like your title better!) it's really helpful in getting a grip on high horology. Also, it's wonderful to hear you like Maurice Lacroix watches so much. Too many people were grumbling that they were 'no good,' and while at one time, they may have used cheaper movements, that's no longer true. I really like the fact that they got the base done with Andreas Strehler and used the Venus as a model-not a base nor a prototype- but something that was a great movement in pocket watches that was 'evolved' by Strehler into the hear of a Maurice Lacroix! If you're on Facebook, you're welcome to join our High Horology Forum. Kindest regards, Bill
@ManuelDugerdil
Күн бұрын
Very interesting though I wanna say a low beat rate like 18000 bph really doesn't mean it's an old watch or is not accurate either not modern.
@watchartsci
11 сағат бұрын
Manuel, those chasing frequency ever upwards is like holding back the ocean with a fork. Better to get the lowest possible frequency and concentrate on the surrounding horology. Take care, Bill
@TheDarkSerenitY
7 жыл бұрын
I believe that in the age of cosumerism and technology where many things are bought and disposed within several years, production of mechanical watches is one of the areas that preserves elegance, delicacy and craftsmanship. One cannot (or should not) form an emotional bond with an iPhone or leave it to his grandchildren whereas mechanical watches are everyday happiness bringers as well as perfect heirlooms. So I would like to thank you for sparing your time on preparing great videos on horology and watches. I own a ML Masterpiece Tradition Petite Seconde (with a top-ETA movement). I must say that I have made my research prior to buying the watch, and in the price range I could not find a better automatic small seconds dress watch. I find it to be really sharp and smooth. The case is particularly amazing. Also it has the same hour and minutes hand as the Cinq Aliquilles, which, in my opinion, are great and unique hand designs. But like you, I also deeply respect in house movements. Therefore, I am considering to sell it for upgrading to a Nomos Ludwig in the following years. What are your thoughts on Nomos watches?
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Emir, those are some very thoughtful observations. As for Nomos, they were recommended by none other than Philippe Dufour as a pick of watches under $10,000. The newer Nomos do have Nomos manufactured movements, and you have to choose carefully because some of the older ones have Sellita and ETA movements. I think Nomos is an excellent choice for moving into a stronger horology. Kindest regards, Bill
@georghelpenstein-michels6586
3 жыл бұрын
Never thought about Maurice Lacroix cause i once, several yers ago, bought one for my wife and in retrospect, after starting to become interested into watches, i learnt that it was nice from the outside but quite crappy regarding the inner values. Good that my wife never is interested into the inner values ;-). But the ML 106 sounds interesting from a technical viewpoint and interesting from a historical viewpoint and even more interesting from a point of even being able to afford a watch like this. From a design point of view i always thought that ML had quite a good sense, not too much in your face but still elegant and interesting. So thanks for bringing ML again into my world of interest. I just started looking at your videos and i have to say your approach to watches is one absolutely after my heart. A good mixture of technological knowledge and design opinion without just concentrating on just brands and their sometimes "made up" reputation.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Right Georg, the Maurice-Lacroix used (and still does to some extent) ETA and Sellita movements rather than ML manufactured movements. However, they are very well built with good materials. Also, they have lots of module implementations they do themselves that make their watches a notch above a lot of other not using their own in-house movement. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@publicapic
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill nice review, I’m a ML owner (A solid rose Gold 46 mm Retrograde Candrelier Retrograde MP7268-PG101-130 movement ML150) I love my watch.. beautiful big silver 925 face, classic design, manual wind, very accurate and the Retrograde function is amazing... I think they are new in the market if you compare with other brands legacy, all this innovation with the Masterpiece series and the participation at the Basel.. GPHG ... I think it’s a great sign they are going strong to the top of horology. I just hope they don’t lose the way. Best regards. Juan
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Publicapic check out this recent video ... there's an Maurice Lacroix surprise ... maybe .... kzitem.info/news/bejne/x4p3q557iIx_nWk Cheers, Bill
@publicapic
6 жыл бұрын
WatchArtSci Nice one. Best regards
@chr1s60
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, nice informational video. I like some of the ML watches and they are a name I continually see come up throughout watch forums. I have no experience with them, but it's good to know what they have going on with their movements. I'm with you when it comes to being sick of companies disguising their movements and what exactly they have done to modify the movements they are using that aren't in house. I think it's funny that recently there has been a lot of talk about the standards for being "Swiss made" yet this issue of companies using an ETA or some other Swiss movement and renaming it without saying what the movement actually is kind of goes ignored. The other issue is that is a bit more transparent is when a company will say the base, but call it "heavily modified" or something along those lines, without actually saying what was done! I'd much rather know the details of my movement than knowing it can be certified as "Swiss made." Some regulation over disclosing movement information would be great for the watch industry... at least for the consumers!
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Well put chr1s60!!! We, (and by "we" I mean we collectors) need to communicate every iota of information we can get our hands on. Right now, if a Maurice Lacroix does not have 18,000 bph movement, I expect bargain prices because they're ticking on an ETA or less. The one I like is the Cinq Aiguelle (5 hands) with the ML 159 movement; but I know that it's not much of an "ML" but rather an ETA, and ML had the good sense not to list it with the other Masterpiece MLs; nevertheless, you have to double check on the bph of the Masterpiece ML movements they list--if it's 28,500, it's an ETA movement. As you can see, it's easy to get me started on this topic, but if we collectors don't look out for one another; no one will! Kindest regards, Bill
@uyt6uyt5
7 жыл бұрын
Bill, just something interesting to note: one of my watches has an ETA movement with 21,600 BPM from the manufacturer.
@f2mel2
Жыл бұрын
What? No watch check? Where is the recommended reading list/book list?
@watchartsci
Жыл бұрын
My subscribers are too smart for me ... they like to figure out what watch I'm wearing is themselves, F3Mel2. Take care,Bill
@mohdgaith2939
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Enjoyed
@watchartsci
2 жыл бұрын
The pleasure is all mine Mohd! Take care, Bill
@Ian-ij4of
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting take and some nice movements there, I just bought an Aikon 42mm grey dial set with bracelet and blue rubber strap from the AD, Selita movement though but still not a bad watch IMHO, Let's put it this way if I had the money £21,400.00 I might of gone for the AP equivalent but my Aikon only cost £1,500.00 and I still think its a beautiful watch, and a bit heavier than the AP, I get 200m water resistance V the AP'S 50m plus easy to service by any competent watchmaker too IMHO...Nice watch and not to expensive, all the best from Scotland 🏴
@watchartsci
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, the interesting thing about Maurice Lacroix, aside from the movement; that's they are a finely made watch. I have one in my Jaquet 736 collection, and the movement hasn't been doing too well lately, but the watch itself is in great shape. Take care, Bill
@Ian-ij4of
2 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci jaquet droz by any chance, if so a very nice watch indeed
@watchartsci
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ian-ij4of Only some of their excellent automata designs like "Charming Bird" ... but most of their watches (while very stylish) tend to use very standard movements.
@dennisthagod8451
7 жыл бұрын
LOVE THE VID BILL!!! -Dennis
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Dennis, thanks man! Cheers, Bill
@porkchopexpress6969
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, good idea for a series, maybe you could do a brand like Franck Muller next.. unless of course you think it's all junk. Anyway, keep up the great content.
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Aaron--that is a good 😊 idea and Franck Muller is an interesting choice. FM is one of those mixed bag watchmakers and has had a few I've liked--let me look 👀 into it. Kindest regards Bill
@SeaandSpeedWatches
7 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that Bill.
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob! Thanks man!
@paulbrady701
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill sir ,I totally agree with the limited nonsense these greedy companies produce.my own personal favourite brand Omega are a shameless embarrassment to me and many others with there unlimited limited editions.Great content sir.👍🏻
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. The best limited editions are those where the companies only produce a certain number to keep the quality high. Habring2 comes to mind where they produce a only a few hundred per year and only charge about $5k for very high quality hand-made watches and with their in-house A11 movement. Kindest regards, Bill
@paulbrady701
6 жыл бұрын
WatchArtSci Hi Bill sir quite right about about habring2 but you must keep quiet at least till I get one of them.
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Mums the word....
@constantinegiotopoulos3033
7 ай бұрын
I appreciate the effort that has obviously gone in this video. However identifying watches with eta or sellita movements as junk or in-house as gems is by default erroneous since both companies have high-quality options. ML has an edge on design and they focus on that. To offer such watches with an in-house high quality mechanism makes zero finacial sense for them so they do it only in special cases. The real problem would be using eta/sellita and charging an unreasonable premium. More often than not they are not. Cinq Aguilles is a great example of this, at that price the watch is a gem regardless of the movement.
@watchartsci
7 ай бұрын
Constantine, your point is well-taken, and you've put your finger on the same problem I have been trying to explain: high prices for relatively inexpensive movements by 1) not revealing the caliber of the movement and 2) masking the calibers under titles implying either in-house or something better. Take care, Bill
@mrbluecatone
3 жыл бұрын
Another cool video, it made me wonder what do you think of old Maurice Lacroix? I was looking at the jumping hours and alarm ML watches.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bluecatone! No matter what movement Maurice Lacroix puts in a watch, they seem to make quality watches. I (sort of) collect caliber 736 Jaquet movements....buy the watch for the movement. My first one was a Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Rectangulaire Petite Seconde, and it turned out to be a good one. Solid, well-made of good materials. A friend of mine who at one time was a judge for the Grand Prix d’Horlogerie de Genève told me the same thing; so as far as I know, you can get a good watch at fairly affordable prices Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@mrbluecatone
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci Thanks for the quick reply.
@misteragb7558
5 жыл бұрын
You addressed the point I came here for, I wanted to know if this watch I was looking for has an eta because I was suspicious about it.
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
M. AGB, you were certainly asking the right question. Maurice Lacroix are incredibly well-made watches, even though with ETA movements. I found one with a Jaquet 736 movement that I bought! Cheers, Bill
@octavian3287
7 жыл бұрын
I personally own the ML Masterpeice Cinq Auiguilles ref. MP6507-SS001-111 and I absolutely love it. Brilliant design and feel. It also gets quite a bit of compliments both from people who love watches and who don't know anything about them, including a fair amount of females as well. So it's an all around hit however I don't know much about the movement and there seems to be little to no info online about the movement in this watch online. If you have any sort of info on what type of ETA is inside here I would greatly appreciate if you could share your insights! Cheers
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Augustus! I love the ML Cinq Auiguilles!!! That is such a cool watch. The ML 159 is not Maurice Lacroix mfg., but it's really a hidden secret what it is. I believe it's an ETA Valjoux 7750 because both have a 28,800 A/h frequency, but that's just a guess. In any event they're reasonably priced and the 7750 Valjoux is one of the best ETAs. Enjoy it and have fun with it!! Cheers, Bill
@octavian3287
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much your response! I appreciate the info. Definitely subscribed. However, wouldn't the 7750 be used in a chronograph? It is a bit of an older movement but indeed very famous. I wonder why the ML 159 is kept as such a mystery... Cheers!
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
You're right about the 7750...on the ML site, they list all of their in-house movements, which does not include the 159. Let's see if we can find an image of some likely ETA suspects and compare them with images of the ML 159...you don't have to take you caseback off...! Cheers, Bill
@rezasoheil
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, the Maurice is a very wide brand with different levels of movements, please let us know which of them are high Hourology that are worth collecting, like the Jaquet that you got, please advise.
@watchartsci
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Reza, ML have some very interesting watches, but they tend to be 'Strong Horology' where they have their own movement rather than HH. However, some of their movements are 're-named' ETA/Sellita movements, but they are striving to have all ML manufactured movements. As for the ML Masterpiece with the Jaquet 736 (or La Joux-Perret 736.xxx) they are only available 'on the hunt' for ML no longer makes them. However, you can find them using the search term, "Maurice Lacroix MP 7009" or "Maurice Lacroix MP 7019" ... the 7019 is slightly bigger (the one I got.) Good hunting! Bill
@jovanjovanovic7610
5 жыл бұрын
It’s a nice overview of a brand, that has some nice watches but no real identity. They seem to be lost in horology like geese in a fog.
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
Jovan, since I did that video, I purchased a Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece with a Jaquet 736 tonneau-shaped movement. Their quality punches way above their weight price-wise, and it's been a great watch-especially since I didn't expect too much. Mine is a Christmas Goose in the fog! Cheers, Bill
@jovanjovanovic7610
5 жыл бұрын
WatchArtSci O yes, now that is a really fine looking watch, with very interesting movement. Nice buy!👍👍👍
@lolinternetslolify
3 жыл бұрын
Bill, Lovely backyard and really appreciate the thorough reviews. Can tell you really love timepieces. I have an opportunity to grab a ML Pontos Decentrique GMT Limited Edition with only 999 made, with box and papers for ~2100 USD. Think this would be a solid daily for that price point?
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks LookingFor! On the other side of the fence are the neighbor's cashmere goats, and my broken fence is compliments of the bears! Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@mcalibo
3 жыл бұрын
Bill... nice video as I’m venturing into ML. My question is vintage ML using the Valjoux (ETA) 7751. I understand the value of In house but if the in house is struggling against a base like 7751 is the oem that less valuable mechanically? I’m think of the ML66 with ETA 7751
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, the ETA/Valjoux 7751 is a good movement, and Maurice Lacroix has excellent quality aside from the movement. I have a Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Rectangulaire Petite Seconde with a Jaquet 736 movement, and while ML didn't make the movement, the watch itself is excellent. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@pawnhearts5192
7 жыл бұрын
great vid old man
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Pawn Hearts! Who's this "old man?" It was done by me--c'est moi! Honest...not some phantom old man you speak of!! In any event, thanks kid! Kindest regards, Bill
@javelotom01
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, I got a little bit confused, so Master Pieces are high horology or just strong horology? if I need to be more specific I'm talking about the ML 215 movement of the Mysterious Seconds. Thank you!
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
Javier, the Seconde Mystérieuse by Maurice Lacroix is in a horological class by itself. The ML 215 is a ML manufacture, and since that video was done over 2 years ago, Maurice Lacroix has steadily moved from using OEM movement and/or ébauches to their own manufactured movements. The more I've learned about Maurice Lacroix, their position in any horological hierarchy has risen. Right now, they seem to be very much in a position of Strong Horology, and the innovations in both watches and movement have taken a side track that's difficult to put in the existing Tiers. One suggestion has been to introduce an intermediary tier, the Luxury Tier, between Strong and High Horology, and that would seem to be an appropriate place for ML. Great question that is difficult to answer! Kindest regards, Bill
@tong2800
4 жыл бұрын
How was the Maurice Lacroix masterpiece gravity is it good base on your opinion?
@watchartsci
4 жыл бұрын
Tong, there are so many things about the Gravity that I like ... (see quillandpad.com/2015/02/26/the-maurice-lacroix-masterpiece-gravity-my-how-things-change/ ) ... most of all, it's 2.5 Hz (18,000) ... the frequency of master watchmakers. I am uncomfortable with silicon... the balance staff, the pallet lever, the pallet staff, the escape wheel, and the pinion belonging to the escape wheel-the friction-influenced components of the regulator are all silicon. Fantastic from one perspective and ... not certain from a "purely mechanical" view. The ML 230 is a beautiful movement by ML, though. Let me know what you decide. Cheers, Bill
@amintaslneto
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks sharing more info about ML Bill. This brand has been a very intriguing brand to me. At least his operating model has become more clear now. Best
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Amintas! Glad you liked it.I didn't know too much about them other than they seemed to have some good prices. Found they were much more interesting than that! Kindest regards, Bill
@iacobandrei6252
3 жыл бұрын
what do you think of the aikon, with the ML 115 movement?
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Iacob, the ML 115 is based on a Sellita SW200-1. Pretty standard, but I'd keep the price under $2,000. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@mohamadezzatsakbani7172
6 жыл бұрын
Mourice hit my taste very well it’s very good design dont u think so
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ezzat, as long as you stay near $1,000 and under Maurice Lacroix is probably a good choice. Here's why, you can go up to $4,000 - $5,000 with a Maurice Lacroix, but for that price you could be an Omega, Rolex or even a pre-owned Jaeger-LeCoultre, Parmigiani or Vacheron Constantin. Avoid the quartz Lacroix, but don't go too high in price with Lacroix. Kindest regards, Bill
@danarami6378
6 жыл бұрын
Don't understand, you 18K bph is in-house rather than higher one? I thought the more bph was better and more accurate? thanks
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Dan, that's a good point. Something like the Grand Seiko Hi-Beat certainly does. A lot of people prefer low beats (beat speed based on the oscillation of the balance wheel) because 1: longer power reserve; and 2) lower service frequency. When you increate the beat, your chances of increasing the vibrations of the watch increase as well, but not so much on a well-serviced watch, but then you have to pay more attention to your service cycle. However, higher speeds are more accurate. Kindest regards, Bill
@mrmonday42
6 жыл бұрын
The lazy balance wheel is also more satisfying to watch
@nrs6956
4 жыл бұрын
So ML could be considered as inconsistently innovative? Thank you. Good clip.
@watchartsci
4 жыл бұрын
Nrs, ML is consistently well made. The calibers 134 and 234 are both in-house ML-the former hand-wound and the latter automatic-most likely the 134 with an added rotor. Their innovations are more in the dial design and interesting features like the rotating square. Cheers, Bill
@BorisBidjanSaberi11
2 жыл бұрын
ML Masterpiece series is truly so much bang for the buck
@javelotom01
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill thank you so much for your video and I want your advice, I'm looking to add a new watch to my collection and one of my options is the ML Seconde Mystereuse for a price of 7,000usd (brand new) and the second option is a Carl F. Bucherer Chronograde 00.10623.08.33.01 for also an incredible price of 5,500usd (brand new) The Carl Bucherer has some very interesting functions and complications and both of them have in house movements but I'm not sure which one is the most complicated and the best choice given the prices. Wich one would you choose? Your answer will be highly appreciated. Thank you!
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Javier, for that much money, I think you can do much better, but of the two, I'd probably go with the Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Seconde Mystérieuse. ( Here's a good article on that watch: www.hodinkee.com/articles/hands-on-with-the-the-maurice-lacroix-masterpiece-seconde-mysterieuse-live-pics-video ) Unfortunately, neither ML nor CFB are taken to be "serious" watches. Here are three more options that will give you something in High Horology or even Exceptional Horology for around the same price (all new!): Check out the links... $30,000 Ahora-> $8,000-$8,400 H. Moser & Cie Henry Double Hairspring 18K White Gold collectorstime.com/brands/h-moser--cie/henry-double-hairspring-18k-white-gold $20,000 Ahora-> $7,500-8,000 Parmigiani Kalpa XL Hebdomadaire www.shopworn.com/product/parmigiani-kalpa-xl-hemdomadaire-stainless-steel-mens-watch-pfc101-0001400/ $17,500 Ahora-> $6,000 Parmigiani Fleurier Tonda 1950 18k White Gold www.shopworn.com/product/parmigiani-tonda-1950-18k-white-gold-automatic-mens-watch-pfc267-1202400/ I like the looks of the Bucherer, but you'd be surprised how little you would use those functions on the dial after a few days. Kindest regards, Bill
@javelotom01
6 жыл бұрын
WatchArtSci Thank you so much to take your time to answer me, I'd never thought to find a Parmigiani in that range of price, I also saw some Corum and Ulysse Nardin watches in this range. For example: rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183155935416 Or rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302711416778 Or Corum www.shopworn.com/product/corum-grand-precis-18k-rose-gold-le-manual-wind-mens-watch-162-153-550001-ba47/ What do you think about these ones? Do you consider them serious watches or you still preferring a Parmigiani? What I like the most of the CFB that I show you is the anual calendar but I don't know if it's real manufacture...
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
The new award-winning UN Regatta is fantastic, but some of the older UN (such as those you have linked) may have ETA movements; not a bad thing, but for the asking prices, way, way too high. If you are going to spend $5,000 mas o menos, you can get a true high horology gem. Here's a whole bunch of Parmigiani Kalpas: www.chrono24.com/search/index.htm?countryIds=DE&countryIds=HK&countryIds=IL&countryIds=IT&countryIds=MC&countryIds=CH&countryIds=NL&countryIds=UK&countryIds=US&dosearch=true&gender=1401&manufacturerIds=193&maxAgeInDays=0&models=2245&pageSize=60&priceTo=-1&redirectToSearchIndex=true&sortorder=1 Kindest regards, Bill
@enricolongo242
6 жыл бұрын
what so extraodinary in speedmasters?
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Alex, I think some people consider the fact that the Speedmaster was selected by NASA to go into space and land on the moon extraordinary. More recently, when Omega began putting in George Daniels' co-axial escapements, Speedys became interesting to me. Kindest regards, Bill
@MuhammadUsman-km4xr
5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting information. But the watch I tuned in for was Double retrograde. Is it a good buy ? I am looking to buy it
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
Is it the one with the ML190 movement? Is it the Big Date version? Which one and how much? (I generally like the watch, btw.) Cheers, Bill
@MuhammadUsman-km4xr
5 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci thank you bill for quick reply. I am in for ML 7218 SS001110 retrograde
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
Here's one I like (pre-owned I think) with the Valgrange movement. It's a different reference number, and while the movement is not in-house, the Valgrange is quite good. What do you think? www.chrono24.com/mauricelacroix/masterpiece-lune-retrograde-manual-wind-43mm-mp7078--id9334426.htm
@MuhammadUsman-km4xr
5 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsciperfect a very beautiful time piece. A great choice. I will go for it. Thank you for your time
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
Good hunting!
@sangtrinhanh6454
6 жыл бұрын
ok good thank you!
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Sang Trịnh Ánh, thank you for your kind words. Kindest regards, Bill
@xyzhou6207
7 жыл бұрын
I am seriously considering one of the masterpiece by ML as my first watch, MP6407-SS002-111, the movement I believe is claimed as ML 155. To be honest, putting aside inhouse movement, I am not even sure if it is an ETA, as Swatch Group has very strong influences in the supply chain in this area no doubt. Tho i think I will go for this model as in the same price range, Longines is just a bit too conservative for my taste. One of the grey market dealer used to tell me that besides the grey market price of ML is damn attractive and brings him a lot of sales (profit), he is really worried about the future of the brand. The last new I heard is that ML searched for acquisition but FAILED as Swatch has no interest. It would be a pity that such a creative brand got smashed down by the force of modern capital market.
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hi XY Zhou!! The Masterpiece you mentioned does indeed have an ETA movement, and the price (at Jomashop) is only around $850. If I may, I'd suggest that you take a look at the in-house Maurice Lacroix movements at www.mauricelacroix.com/KnowHow/Movements.sls and see if you can find a watch with one of those movements that 1) you like, and 2) is in the range of what you want to spend. Otherwise, you'll be buying a watch with something other than a ML movement. If they're all out of your price range, you can save and wait. Kindest regards, Bill
@seekingthetruth3410
4 жыл бұрын
Put you mic closer
@watchartsci
4 жыл бұрын
Ok, got it fixed. Thanks Seek... Cheers, bill
@Richie_P
6 жыл бұрын
You keep referring to Maurice LaCroix as "he." You do know that Maurice LaCroix is not a person, right?
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Richie P, yes, sorry for the confusion. You can see I switch between "them" and personification of the company with the 'Maurice Lacroix.' Some years ago a company named 3-M and Microsoft had an agreement that eventually ended badly, and during the break-up each was referenced as two people in a nasty divorce. Thanks for pointing that out. Bill
@toddmarks581
4 жыл бұрын
Even if he did use “he” in explanations, it is in good reference. Because the company uses “ Maurice” a male name. But you pointing this out is a strong description of your personality. Probably something you should reflect upon.
@DharmaTechster
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense. Talk to an actual watchmaker with decades of experience both selling and servicing a wide variety of Swiss watch brands, and he will tell you that the ETA 7750 is just as good - and often better - than many of the more prestigious in-house movements, even plenty of those sitting in very expensive watches. In house is definitely not synonymous with better quality. Sometimes it does mean better, other times it means worse. And if you're buying a Maurice Lacroix watch, you'd be wise to just get one that has an ETA movement in it, as that will usually be easier and cheaper to service. And it will run just as well if not better. The most accurate mechanical watch I've ever owned is my current 43mm Calibre 16 Tag Heuer Carrera (off by less than 1 second in 24 hours and thus better than most COSC certified watches you'll come across). I've paid a lot more for more "prestigious" brands that weren't just less accurate, but also needed servicing within 2-3 years of having been purchased new. (Tag Heuer is actually pretty damn good quality these days, btw.)
@watchartsci
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Dharma, thank you for taking the time and consideration in your comments. First off, let me say that everything I consider is in the interest of the collector--not the manufacturer, not the sales and distribution network nor the watchmaker. So, it's the collector's perspective and interests for whom I'm making my comments. Second, I have talked to such watchmakers as you describe. In fact, I'm friends with a watchmaker who lives not too far from me who was a judge for the Grand Prix d'Horlogerie de Genève for several years; it was he who had little good to say about ETA. However, I have read a good deal written by watchmakers who love ETA movements, but their admiration comes as much from the fact that they're familiar with ETA movements and have a ready supply of spare parts as it does from their love of haute horlogerie. (I doubt some of these watchmakers ever worked on a remontoir d'egalité or resonance watch.) As for the repair costs, it is much cheaper to have an ETA watch repaired than say an Audemars Piguet or a Parmigiani Fleurier. I understand that and wish I could have all my watches serviced by a local watchmaker who had parts and experience in servicing all the watches I have. But given that ETA watches and parts are more plentiful and as good as you say they are, why is it that manufacturers (with a few notable exceptions) do not advertise that fact? If I buy a TAG Heuer with an ETA base movement, is there anything in the advertising or documentation I get with the watch that tells me that? I called one manufacturer in Switzerland and asked the general manager what kind of movement was in my watch. They said they didn't know. (Of course they did!) So I took it to my watch to my watchmaker friend, and he discovered the ETA. Why would they not tell me of this movement which you describe as so excellent? Why do most watch companies conceal their ETA, Sellitas and Soprods? Maybe the video "makes absolutely no sense" to you, but since I was making it for collectors, they were the ones I had in mind. I have a great deal of respect for watchmakers, and that's why I was happy to get your thoughtful comments. I hope you continue to make your comments, and if you are on Facebook, I invite you to join The High Horology Facebook group. With kindest regards, Bill (PS, what are your thoughts on Video #56?)
@dougm659
6 жыл бұрын
I can’t agree entirely with you about Tag quality I’m afraid, I bought a Monaco LS brand new and within a year the hour hand on the chrono function fell off! This on a £6,500 watch is simply unacceptable. That aside it’s been a pretty good daily beater for me and I switch it up using two leather straps and its original steel bracelet.
@Ahmadb000
6 жыл бұрын
Well there is no problem with ETAs, but take for instance the New Masterpiece Chronograph skeleton the front skeleton dial is absolutely gorgeous but once you flip the watch to see the case back you’ll laugh. There is no effort in finishing the ETA 7750 based movement that they incorporated in the watch nor even it shows any single information in terms of Caliber naming and other movement info. Even their website doesn’t mention the movement name or caliber. Just a solid polished movement that is horribly executed as a case back and sticking a high price tag of more than $8K retail.
@MrBJony
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have just bought my first watch (PT6388-SS001-331-1). Liked the looks, but just now started researching the movements. Kinda not the right way. Now it bothers me, that its in the price range where you didn't advice to buy ML. Could you please elaborate on that? Thanks
@watchartsci
4 жыл бұрын
Hi PP. Always, research the movement FIRST! Had you checked out the ML 112 (...like here for instance: calibercorner.com/maurice-lacroix-caliber-ml-112/ ) You would have found that the movement is an ETA/Valjoux 7750. So, depending on what you paid for the watch, you either did ok or not-so-hot. The Valjoux 7750 is a tried and true movement, but it's relatively inexpensive. So even with the 7750, not bad unless you paid $3k or more. As for the prices and price range, that video was from 2 and a half years ago, and prices fluctuate. My own experience with ML (purchased after that video was made) has been great. Rather than getting an ML with an in-house movement, I wanted one with the Jaquet 736 hand-wound shaped movement, and I have found the ML 'Masterpiece' to be an excellent watch. So tell me more about your experience, and let's see what you have learned or can learn from it. Kindest regards, Bill
@andrew_owens7680
5 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at getting my wife a moon phase and came across some beautiful examples from Oris and ML. I actually prefer ML from an aesthetic standpoint.
@watchartsci
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, I am seeing more Oris watches being picked up by collectors who really know watches and high praise from respected watchmakers about Maurice Lacroix. My own Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece has been flawless and provided me with a rare and interesting movement-the Jaquet 736. Kindest regards, Bill
@ivansmith4242
6 жыл бұрын
Nice video. You really put in work making these. One point that i always wonder about haute horology is the degree of hand madeness. Like you said these watches are limited because someone said so not because of any other more valuable factor. Looking at vintage exclusivity is more determined by rarity where the bad examples are long gone and the truly collectible ones are the survivors. There are just too many companies willing to pop a generic movement and charge thousands.
@watchartsci
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ivan, thanks man! Since I did that video on Maurice Lacroix, a lot has happened to ML. They have a truly ML movement that's not a near-clone of an ETA, and their cases, dials and straps/bracelet are all of excellent quality. I bought one of their Masterpiece models with a Jaquet 736 (actually designed by Jean-Pierre Jaquet), and it's one of those watches that punches above its weight. Its a brand that may be a better deal than it realizes. Cheers, Bill
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