"relatively quiet" *roar of a thousand lions thunders trough my speakers*
@TheFearGrizzly
4 жыл бұрын
Its not as loud out in the open its because he's in his garage that's why it's so loud
@gurtbacharach8943
4 жыл бұрын
Roar of Thousand Lions is my Indian name....
@BumBumTheBarbarian
4 жыл бұрын
like a thousand tiny lions with sore throats
@waynecampbell9714
3 жыл бұрын
WOKE UP MY KID, AAGGHHHHHHH, IT TAKES HER FOREVER TO GET TO SLEEP. HEADPHONES FROM NOW ON
@Sophocles13
3 жыл бұрын
*mew*
@acadman4322
5 жыл бұрын
My experience with locks comes from 11 years as a Maintenance Chief for a State penitentiary. In that capacity, I employed hundreds of convicts over the years working under Employee supervisors as maintenance crew- I naturally, developed working relationships with a great many professional thieves, burglars and con men (not to mention several murderers). As to your question, 'Is your defeat method of this lock practical- Yes! Absolutely. Many of the professionals I knew would have probably gone through that lock with a cutting torch if they were going to bring fire to the task. But, they probably would not have been worried about the 4 minutes even with the little soldering torch. You and I would be worried about the time. But, most pros know they have plenty of time. I knew a convict who stole a rare motorcycle from a home in broad daylight from a well secured garage- he used a chain saw and simply cut the wooden garage door open making a whole new door, rolled the bike out and rode away on it, leaving the stolen chain saw behind in exchange. Neighbors did not even call the police. They thought he was a repair man. Who would steal like that? One thing convicts know well is people. They also know boldness very often pays big dividends. For any lock manufacturers out there, I would highly recommend you hire a few ex-cons as advisers. In fact, you should hire two teams- one to help design locks, the other to defeat them. I love watching your videos because your solutions are so unique. You very much think like an experienced convict- no offence intended.
@aluminiumsloep
Жыл бұрын
Manufacturers just want YOU to buy a locj THINKING it is safe... Hence the budget for marketing and the lower budget for manufacturing.
@phartferd5738
Жыл бұрын
I think you might have gotten an exaggerated version of events, if it's true at all.
@jakobradus7410
11 ай бұрын
The two teams approach is what is done is IT-security, they are called penetration testers and their whole job is to find out if there is a way to break a system in some way, then report back and suggest how to remove that exploit
@morthim
6 жыл бұрын
"what are you doing with a blowtorch next to a bike?" "uh... my spark plugs broke."
@thescoutpanda
5 жыл бұрын
actually the people would just walk past and ignore him. i've seen it LOL
@toastbusters3897
5 жыл бұрын
@@thescoutpanda that's a shame.
@huckthatdish
5 жыл бұрын
Toast Busters are you trying to get stabbed over someone else’s bike?
@airwilliam24
5 жыл бұрын
@@huckthatdish Don't have to be Batman. Just call the cops.
@TheCarDemotic
5 жыл бұрын
Just say you lost your key lol
@cup_and_cone
6 жыл бұрын
For the way you wanted to open it, I think the plastic was soft enough within just the first 30 seconds to rotate it, had you clamped it or used a welding glove to hold it properly so you could crank some leverage into it.
@xtal567
5 жыл бұрын
Cup & Cone or hit it will a hammer after the first 30 seconds.
@corypride
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, someone intent on using a torch would have brought a large screw driver to pry the shackle from the body using a lot of leverage.
@quartznation9499
5 жыл бұрын
At that point it's a stick of butter
@user-lq1dk6gr3p
5 жыл бұрын
i thought the same thing!
@TheCarDemotic
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I was 420 like lol
@hugorudd1
3 жыл бұрын
LPL: “I’m going to heat it quietly with a plumber’s torch” Also LPL: “screw it, let’s just burn and melt it out completely”
@jgpics838
6 жыл бұрын
I´ll probably be suspicious if I see someone heating my lock for 6 minutes with a torch.
@michaelmurphy7241
4 жыл бұрын
lol exactly
@richardpayne
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, I'm suspicious if I see someone within 6 feet of my bike. Tools are not required. You don't generally sit a watch your bike after you park up.
@antoniocorreia8789
3 жыл бұрын
6mins wow such a long period of time i doubt you ever left a bike that long anywhere 🥱🥱, mans could of had it open by 3mins, even if it took 15mins its nothing at night time keep believing its not practical apparently back packs don't exist
@aidangattinger8975
3 жыл бұрын
You could probably cut through it in a fraction of the time with a cordless angle grinder.
@andersson_casa
3 жыл бұрын
@@antoniocorreia8789 The great benefit over using a grinder is that this would be almost silent to. (Yes I know this is a really old video but I had to get this out of my system :)
@scorchedearth1451
6 жыл бұрын
Plastic in vital parts is always a security flaw.
@user46346bdtgry
5 жыл бұрын
exactly. this shows that the extra steel tube in the more expensive lock adds no security benefit since the core didnt move anyway
@erezklein5769
4 жыл бұрын
That's what she said.
@TheEudaemonicPlague
4 жыл бұрын
Ain't that the truth. I can't count how many things I've owned that died because of a stupid bit of plastic that should've been metal.
@JohnSmith-xf1zu
4 жыл бұрын
When I was in high school, my front tire came off of my mountain bike because the shocks were mounted on flimsy pieces of plastic. My dad got the bright idea to replace them with a couple of dice and bolts. Worked great for years... somehow.
@mrn234
4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-xf1zu And that sir is planned obsolecence ;)
@2lefThumbs
6 жыл бұрын
The thief might need to carry a spare wheel and tyre if that lock is going through the brake disc...
@mysss29
5 жыл бұрын
@Jack Napier these are marketed and sold without chains as disc brake locks
@svampebob007
4 жыл бұрын
the frame is the most valuable, but there's a bigger market for tires and misc parts. if it was a Santa Cruz or a Capra YT then it would be worth it, if it's a non name bike maybe not so much. But this is more of a show and tell about needless security flaws. You can see the design is literally the same, except for the extra metal sleeve... all that to save money and market the lock as being slightly cheaper, yet without explaining the main difference. I know they can't really advertise their flaws, but then maybe they should reconsider their designs if they aren't proud of showing it off.
@teodelfuego
4 жыл бұрын
Brother, me and my crew want to thank you! We've been seeing these locks more and more and they were really putting a dent in our weekly scores! Thanks to you, we're back to boosting 25-30 high end bikes a week!! We can pay you $10k if you'll come give us an in-house training session. Alternatively, we'll pay you just your travel expense plus a 2% of our first month's take. We'll be in touch!
@BigBadLoneWolf
4 жыл бұрын
@Jack Napier It does go through the brake disc, i use the same lock on one of my motorbikes
@michaelmurphy7241
4 жыл бұрын
he will melt the freaking frame and destroy the bike!!!!!
@WaterCrane
4 жыл бұрын
0:48 - "...relatively quickly and quietly..." 4:42 - Umm...
@null2405
6 жыл бұрын
What about chemically attacking the plastic, injecting in a solvent?
@TheChemicalWorkshop
6 жыл бұрын
Fuckoff Google DCM, chloroform and many others will work However solvents are quite slow with plastics not to mind that some are toxic.... Fuming nitric acid will catch plastic on fire, could work but it's a little very very dangerous to do without safety equipment I wanted to put a basic lock in acid buuut with 60subs i don't think it's worth spending my 5-10€...
@xtamared
6 жыл бұрын
Depends on the plastic. If it's ABS, methylene chloride will probably be fastest. But if it's PE chemicals aren't going to touch it.
@kchortu
6 жыл бұрын
Time is ok if you can put that thing into a bucket come back to it in an hour or two. Like if someone was parked at home or at work you could have time like that. As for the toxic nature of those solvents, it isnt like you plan on taking them home with you leave it in a garbage can nearby
@xtamared
6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't even need a bucket, just a syringe to inject in the right place.
@TheChemicalWorkshop
6 жыл бұрын
i don't think so... if so i want to see a proof... and PE can get dissolved my some chemicals... not fast but it can as far as I know..
@jeffreyblack666
5 жыл бұрын
I think if you need a plumbers torch it isn't an exploit any more than an angle grinder cutting it would be. Try it with a creme brule torch and see if that works.
@JasperJanssen
5 жыл бұрын
An angle grind cutting it is also an exploit.
@skeletonofwisdom2922
4 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen nope.
@JasperJanssen
4 жыл бұрын
fox 7 rot yup.
@skeletonofwisdom2922
4 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen Angle Grinders can cut through anything. You can buy a bike lock made of 10 mm diamond rings and an angle grinder will probably cut through it with a bit of effort. . Fortify what you can, don't sweat what you can't. Put an alarm on, a gps device, or maybe a skunklock type of thingy could help.
@ausintune9014
4 жыл бұрын
@@skeletonofwisdom2922 diamond cutter rings, sure they're expensive as fuck, but nothing is stopping it lol. Or you can go cheaper tungsten carbide
@davearmitage392
5 жыл бұрын
Brings a new meaning to a stolen bike being ‘too hot to handle’.
@TrionicSeven
6 жыл бұрын
Can it be done with an induction heater? Those are completely silent, only problem is a portable power supply.
@AsiAzzy
6 жыл бұрын
Induction hears work only for steel and ferrous metals. Plastic is not affected, and heating the lock body red hot just for the tiny amount of heat going from the body to the plastic thing.. is quite inefficient.
@smokebuur
6 жыл бұрын
Tiny amount of heat? Would you stick your dingus in a metal tube being heated red hot by an indution heater? I don't think so buddy. If you did you'd need a portable power supply each time you went to bed with a lady friend.
@theshankman8682
6 жыл бұрын
an butane torch will work better
@littlegoobie
6 жыл бұрын
and every bike stealing crack head has one of those.
@obfuscated3090
6 жыл бұрын
A common portable cutting torch needs no external power and would cut anything that size laughing all the way. I use a medical oxygen cylinder for light weight on my portable setup and use disposable propane cylinders with an adapter which is easy to assemble from standard fittings. It's easy to carry in the field (I'm a mechanic.) Torches aren't completely silent but a small tip isn't loud at all. Example quality kit: www.amazon.com/Harris-4403211-Acetylene-Cutting-Cylinders/dp/B01ES9CXVM You can find similar for less money. Harbor Freight kits work but are prone to mixer tube fires in the cutting torch head and their o-rings I've seen (where the cutting head joins the handle) tended to crumble. You could replace those with Viton rings from a non-shit manufacturer.
@moderatefkr6666
6 жыл бұрын
The hottest part of the flame is towards the tip. If the core is of a material that can be melted, play the tip of the flame towards the back and top instead. That amount of plastic should have succumbed within 90-120 seconds. Think of it as a brazing job.
@frankmerker630
2 жыл бұрын
Well he isn’t “Blow Torching Lawyer” for a reason
@amecarethqc6652
4 жыл бұрын
0:52 "Quickly and quietly" I think you should go check a dictionary for the definition of those two words. Jokes aside, great video as always :)
@RichardsWorld
6 жыл бұрын
The plastic was supporting the metal locking parts. You melted the support. I think your screw driver had nothing to do with it opening. If you had mounted this in a big table vise you would have been able to pry the shackle open much easier. I think Fire Marshall Bill would recommend you wear welding gloves for this experiment.
@alaric_
6 жыл бұрын
If the thief "had" a hammer he could have tapped it out sooner. Also i think that the screwdriver would have worked better had he smashed it into the lock first with the hammer and then heated it. Now the whole lockbody just slipped away everytime he inserted the screwdriver.
@Paul-pj5qu
5 жыл бұрын
But a big vise is not a practical Street tool
@thomasjenkins7506
4 жыл бұрын
who needs a hammer or vice when a simple pair of channellocks would have done the job? the shackle is already held in place by the disc brake, so all you have to do is pull on the body when heating. could've had it open in a minute or two.
@allenshepard7992
6 жыл бұрын
Armature comment. Open area bike lock, no. Garage, alley or construction site yes. A-1) Cut off the plastic with a carpet knife. 2) Using several eight by eight inch fiber glass mats over the lock for heat retention, pour diesel into shackle holes. Diesel is far more destructive when it burns. Might use "sugar rocket" paste as well to get it going. 3) While burning the inside, use a chain or tool to pull the lock body away from the shackle. B) Second approach, use a pipe and strap to hold a home made or Estes rocket motor over the key way and then insert a screwdriver. Again the fiberglass or even wet rags are put over the lock body to reduce noise, flames and people looking. Thank you LPL for helping us make "a more informed lock purchase"
@KickassRaider
5 жыл бұрын
*Him* :"I found an exploit that doesn't require any special tools" *Also him* : "all you need is a plumbers blowtorch *Me* : ah yes of course, the most common of all tools, blowtorches.
@Mr6Sinner
5 жыл бұрын
KickassRaider Butane cooking torch would work just as well
@TheMrVengeance
4 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, a plumber's blowtorch is something you'll be able to buy in just about any decent hardware store. Specialised lock-picking tools, not so much. So in that sense, a blowtorch isn't 'special'.
@Thatnegroswag
4 жыл бұрын
Blow torches are everywhere nowadays, especially with dabs becoming popular
@mwilliamshs
4 жыл бұрын
It's not a blowtorch. It's a torch.
@buckweed420
4 жыл бұрын
Yes it is common. You can literally get one in the camping section at Walmart. Also at any hardware store.
@flagpoleeip
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure there would be anything left to nick.
@matthewmills58
5 жыл бұрын
“I believe we can open it quietly with this exploit” * proceeds to start up a fucking mini jet engine * 😂
@philipmarshall-cox2664
6 жыл бұрын
Unlikely to be exploited in the field, but easy enough for Kryptonite to engineer (cheaply) around in the same manner as the New York Lock. Makes you wonder why they did this. The answer I guess is they figure most people will never realise the weakness. Keep up the good work.
@michael-james5563
6 жыл бұрын
I think you could of opened that faster than you did, i have a sneeking suspicion that you did not get enough leverage on the bottom of the lock fast enough you were using the screwdriver and tapping it rather than pulling with force, once you changed position and pushed with the torch it popped off easy, suggesting the plastic was well molten by then, im sure you would only need the plastic malleable to spin the lock ...
@lockpickinglawyer
6 жыл бұрын
+Mikey N I agree.
@recklessroges
6 жыл бұрын
Perfect demonstration, (I liked seeing all of the working internals before the experiment began.) I think that having some spring-loaded lever between the shackle and the lock body could have halved the opening time.
@God8-O
6 жыл бұрын
We need a bigger Ramset.
@SuperAWaC
6 жыл бұрын
oh, there are much bigger powder actuated drivers than ramsets. there are ones that used 12ga blanks
@CptJistuce
5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperAWaC Oh, HELL yes. I don't know what they're nailing with those, but I know I want to see one.
@dereklyons6885
3 жыл бұрын
@@CptJistuce remember the scene in the first Jurassic park when they are excavating the fossilized dinosaur skeleton, well to help with the excavation they fire a large caliber round, most likely the 12g, into the ground to help loosen up the fossil of the dinosaur.
@CptJistuce
3 жыл бұрын
@@dereklyons6885 I do remember! (They were actually creating a shockwave that would travel through the rocks and reflect back, so that they could image the area using sonar. )
@dereklyons6885
3 жыл бұрын
@@CptJistuce oh yeah that's right
@WilliamMancel
6 жыл бұрын
That's what I hate about plastic cores, the melting point of plastic, and it's just plain cheap, not durable. As far as this being practical, it would depend on the location and situation. The smells of burning plastic carry pretty far, and most people will look around to see what's burning. Also fire around a motorcycle could end up in one crispy critter. 😂 But obviously it works. Excellent video LPL.
@GarthGoldberg
5 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, you've set on fire the motorcycle you intended to steal.
@Zodliness
6 жыл бұрын
Directing the heat directly onto the core would melt the core plastic housing enough to breech the lock. Very poor oversight on Kryptonite's part.
@briangrant1798
6 жыл бұрын
yeah. very poor oversight on their part... Kryptonite what were you guys thinking?
@sharg0
6 жыл бұрын
And using less heat so it could spread via the core.
@DONK8008
6 жыл бұрын
I bet they were thinking "We could save money making this out of plastic"
@NigelTolley
6 жыл бұрын
LOLDONGS I suspect they thought "No one is daft enough to lug a propane torch and set fire to it for 5 minutes as a real world attack when a disc cutter takes 20 seconds."
@lockpickinglawyer
6 жыл бұрын
+Nigel Tolley Perhaps, but I'm sure I could do this is FAR less time knowing what I know now. As far as lugging tools around, thieves regularly carry tools far larger and heavier.
@spencermargosian7492
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think it would be practical to do this in a real use case simply because that much heat almost directly on the bike/motorcycle/whatever would likely be too damaging to make the lock worth melting. Not sure, but I try to keep the lock as tight against my bike to just that reason.
@jasonjackson5696
5 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, the heat warped the brake disc to where the thief couldn’t push the motorcycle away 😂😂😂
@SPIR-MiffyJupiter
2 жыл бұрын
you've hit the point !!!! great !!!!!
@thomasjenkins7506
4 жыл бұрын
for safety, never apply a blowtorch directly on cement. cement still contains water, which expands greatly when heated and could cause it to pop significantly.
@ToolsForLife
6 жыл бұрын
Make sure when your using the torch to keep the torch about an inch away. The torch is at its hottest point when you can see normal yellow or at the end of the blue flame.
@MarcLerchs
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank You. Small question : is it plastic or metal into the ABUS Granit series ?
@dragade101
6 жыл бұрын
yes. dont build locks that rely on plastic to hold any of the locking elements together.
@therocketman321
6 жыл бұрын
It may have been faster to heat the core and then give it a few whacks with a hammer to move the locking paws. Or for a quieter approch, wrap a heavy chain on the lock body and use downward force to pull the body away from the shackle while it's being heated, the gooey plastic should give way.
@95rav
6 жыл бұрын
Therocketman321 for a quieter approach, you could probably just use dynamite.At least the noise would be over in a fraction of a second.
@danc2014
3 жыл бұрын
Any longer and you could damage the garage floor. Question Since the plastic has some obvious cutouts in it, can epoxy or other high temp filler be put in to help reduce the movement of the lock or the bolts? Was plastic used to lighten the lock or reduce corrosion?
@buynsell365
6 жыл бұрын
This took longer and more heat than I expected. Great video.
@LazyCloud9
4 жыл бұрын
Currently it's middle of the night for me and the torch is pretty soothing honestly.
@JordyValentine
6 жыл бұрын
I think it opened much earlier, you can see the shackle move out when you bump it around with the screw driver and chain, I think you just didn't use enough force
@lockpickinglawyer
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@Herberthishful
3 жыл бұрын
@@lockpickinglawyer i didn't get the flawless, is the lock weak for fire?
@Sweet_Jelly39
Жыл бұрын
@@Herberthishful Yup, and i'm sure u can beat it with 5kg hammer too if u strike it from above while it hanging on chain bcoz what really hold the structure are just plastic..
@DES.REVER.DESIGNS
2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel, keep up the great content, I picked my first lock when my key broke to my first apartment quite a few years ago, thanks to you. 1 critique tho... you'll get much better times getting thru the locks if you back the torch off a bit... the point of the flame has the highest temp concentrated into a tiny spot.
@Taluvian
6 жыл бұрын
Probably had it opened faster if you had pliers to hold lock.
@psirvent8
4 жыл бұрын
Well if I see someone on the street torching a bike lock for this long, I will most likely ask him: "How may I help you ?"
@dsloop3907
6 жыл бұрын
Flame on concrete will make the concrete spall. The pieces that pop out are very hot and seem to want to stick to bare skin. At least wear eye protection, if you are not doing so. Could you try to melt the actuator with hi amp electricity, similar to the way you melted the lock shackle in an earlier video? Remove the covering from the shackle, ground it, then insert a screwdriver into the core, using it as the second electrical connection. Core melts, and gets hot enough to melt the plastic also.
@bunberrier
6 жыл бұрын
Good afternoon, Mrs. Lawyer. Is your husband at home? "He's in the basement.... again"
@kongkunin
4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if that same exploit is usable on the new York variant due to the mode of failure.
@Godric_71
4 жыл бұрын
LPL, you should send it back to the Kryptonite company like that and ask for a refund. I can only imagine the response you would get from them.
@ovalwingnut
6 жыл бұрын
I was more surprised that your concrete floor didn't POP! (violently) due to its (natural) moisture content.. Direct flame on cement is normally a no-no. Ask me how I know ;o) Thank you for the video BTW. Gobble Gobble Gobble
@huxleypig69
6 жыл бұрын
I want to know how you know! Sounds dangerous :-)
@bryanslocks3481
6 жыл бұрын
huxleypig69 try it ur self. C what happens. (:
@ovalwingnut
6 жыл бұрын
Oh crap! I was afraid someone might ask :) It was dangerous :Oo I'll just say that it had to do with a women's prison, a inquisitive new guard, a tenacious cement shower divider and a Harbor Freight propane torch. Jumping to the chase.. I got a eye full of shattered cement. They now call me patchy and I"ll be out in 3 to 5. For God's sake, please keep this to yourself. Thanks!
@dutchsmokeherr
6 жыл бұрын
The bottom of the core is rounded on one axis and snug with the body, so given that if the top and bottom of the core/actuator also fit snugly that would stop the core from rotating while just the plastic was melted. The bottom of the core would have to be melted before allowing rotation if my understanding is correct.
@samueltaylor4989
6 жыл бұрын
Plastic or zinc has no business being inside any lock. Period.
@danmendoza863
4 жыл бұрын
**makes the entire lock body of zinc becuase you said inside**
@stuartd9741
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I mean what is actually worse plastic or zinc? Zinc is sooo soft smh.
@AstoundingAmelia
3 жыл бұрын
@@stuartd9741 gallium
@Cenentury0941
3 жыл бұрын
@@AstoundingAmelia I'd love to see a lock body made of mercury. Put it in a glass container so that the lock body doesn't spill out.
@AstoundingAmelia
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cenentury0941 i mean you cant pick a lock if the core is liquid
@BSOE3058
6 жыл бұрын
Man, wear leather work gloves, dat was hot...
@dustinwrye
6 жыл бұрын
Scream of Shadow made me nervous watching that.
@gorillaau
5 жыл бұрын
He's a lawyer... If anything happens he can sue the lock manufacturer.
@titanus3632
6 жыл бұрын
"Quickly and quietly" eh? *Turns on blow torch* Yep, real quiet.
@exgenica
4 жыл бұрын
Could one also use torches to reasonably quickly heat up the shackle to remove the heat temper in a localized spot, then simply saw or bolt cutter the now untempered spot? Or is there too much metal there for regular handheld torches where the metal dissipates the heat too quickly not allowing the heat tempering to be removed.?
@perfectly_unstable
6 жыл бұрын
You mentioned this was a quiet method. I've been around plumbing torches although they're not as loud as a grinder they don't exactly whisper. Also if we're considering that much heat being used as a way to break off locks then enough thermite will destroy any pad lock being produced today.
@AsiAzzy
6 жыл бұрын
A hydraulic bolt cutter is a silent beast. No sound, no wrestling with the chain to find a proper anchor for the bolt cutter, because the hydraulic one requires a lot lower force to operate and the force between jaws does not drop as soon as you let go, but maintains and only increases with each pump.. so it can swiftly cut anywhere, mid-air, without counter force. A separate low volume rotary pump is compact and the cutter head is quite small and easy to reach tight spaces. (also does not matter much where it bites.. you can chop the whole lock in two) And there are even hydraulic bolt cutter operated by electric drill. 2 seconds and 15mm shackle is toast. The best thing is that these kind of tools are very expensive and highly specialized and not common.. so at least that's going for us defending against thieves. But just as you do the overkill ramset gun tests, maybe you source such a hydraulic bolt cutter and do some videos with it. I've played with such a tool from a buddy who's into big construction sites where such cutters are used to cut thick rebar ends (30+mm), and cut a bunch of things to my amazement.
@sebabalo
4 жыл бұрын
Try dynamite, maybe you will find an exploit.
@jkay2853
4 жыл бұрын
I heard 3 times 'To keep from smelling like "Rashja"' or something, and I kept wondering what or who Rashja was lol. Great video.
@tommorris5442
6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think you are right in that if you had a tool that reached the back of the core the lock would have failed sooner. Surely the failure mechanism highlighted by melting the lugs out of place is also a failure mechanism for the new york version? aren't the locking lugs for that held in place by plastic?.
@tennicktenstyl
6 жыл бұрын
An angle grinder would be easier to use and faster. I don't think anyone will bother melting a lock like this, especially because not every lock is prone to this method of attack, while almost every lock will give up to an angle grinder
@bwood6337
5 жыл бұрын
Yes but one of the points he mentioned was “relatively quiet” and an angle grinder is definitely not that.
@Biffo1262
5 жыл бұрын
@@bwood6337 It's a hell of a sight quicker though and it's been shown the and time again that thieves get away using angle grinders on a busy street by being just plain blatant. No-one tackles them and if they do the guy just says I lost my key. Who's gonna call him a liar with angle grinder in his hands! The only solution to more security is MORE locks so they go elsewhere!
@ausintune9014
4 жыл бұрын
Angle grinder is loud as fuck
@jalawialotaibi6639
5 жыл бұрын
if you really wanna know what I think.. well, I think you saved 5 years of my savings and help me buy better lock for my bike
@DukeChameleon
3 жыл бұрын
5 years of savings for a bike lock?
@fur_avery
3 жыл бұрын
@@DukeChameleon 5 years of savings for a bike and a bike lock
@tomhejda6450
6 жыл бұрын
Have you considered melting/softening the plastic using some chemicals?
@snoopdogie187
6 жыл бұрын
I think if you focused more heat on the steel body of the lock to create a oven inside the lock, it would be more efficient and also not melt the core. I also thought some pliers would be more easier. Instead of attacking the lock, attack the locking lugs, get them to move inside the plastic, which doesn't have to be as hot as you got it just to move things with more force. MAPP gas instead of propane would be great.
@RuffKutz
5 жыл бұрын
Not only is your content great I love listening to your voice it's so calm and soothing. Keep it up.🇦🇺
@Crawlerjamie
5 жыл бұрын
No homo. ...right?
@WineScrounger
6 жыл бұрын
How embarrassing. Plastic has no place in a security lock.
@user46346bdtgry
5 жыл бұрын
Particularly embarrassing for the more expensive version. The extra steel tube ads no security benefit since the core didn't move even with a screwdriver prying at it.
@Sillimant_
5 жыл бұрын
@@user46346bdtgry to be fair, it was a small screwdriver. Welding gloves or some clamp or something to that effect could have made it quicker
@JasperJanssen
5 жыл бұрын
Sillimant the keyway isn’t big enough for a significantly bigger screwdriver. This is a disc detainer, not a regular keyway.
@sebastianjost
4 жыл бұрын
@@user46346bdtgry not everyone wants to carry 10kg of locks. So Plastic is a way to save money and weight. It does oviously reduce security though.
@shittersful
Жыл бұрын
Which Covert Instruments pick set does the torch come with?
@peterrasmussen4428
3 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see if the blow torch is needed, what if just have good leverage, maybe you can turn it without the heat?
@darrenjacobson7456
6 жыл бұрын
Plumbers torch isn't exactly quiet.
@VolkanERSOY
5 жыл бұрын
I absolutely have no idea why I keep watching you.
@matthewkuhl79
4 жыл бұрын
This is the most comprehensive _Consumer Reports_ for locks out there 👍
@peterpenzin7481
6 жыл бұрын
Would portable MAP gas torch work as well (like a single cylinder Bernzomatic)? I suspect this would work on locks that have an extra steel pipe inside ("New York" models), since they also have plastic guides inside, in which case it is a very serious flaw.
@lockpickinglawyer
6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@d4v3tm
6 жыл бұрын
i think heating it from the top right at the shackle while pulling on the lock body would have worked much faster!
@lockpickinglawyer
6 жыл бұрын
+Dave K. It's possible.
@keithhallam4073
6 жыл бұрын
Cost cutting at its absolute worst. Plastic in a lock?! Is Kryptonite affiliated with Mastercock by any chance 😝😂
@SukiAbazi
6 жыл бұрын
I think we can consider this one as a security flaw, since you explained that the lugs fell down when the plastic melted underneath. So technically if you would direct the flame from the top of the lock you can open it faster than the method you tried ( Heating through the key lock). Plus there are "mobile" gas torches that i believe can achieve the same result. So plastic = No go! At least if its not protected like the New York lock.
@theavidpicker2721
6 жыл бұрын
Could you use a handheld can of MAP Pro to increase the heat more than normal butane torches? I think the Map Pro would definitely be faster and much more quiet than the shop torch you used. I'm not sure what gas you were using in this case but it is loud as hell which is not the ideal situation if you were in a city or a highly populated area trying to get into this via heat.
@brian3634
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t think that’s an exploit given how loud, time consuming, bright, and nondescript it is. It’d be like saying “look at this locks exploit, if I put thermite on it, it’ll melt right off!”
@IdemRedd
6 жыл бұрын
It was open long before you actually opened it.
@lockpickinglawyer
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@paullawtable
4 жыл бұрын
Given that it didn't open in the way you expected, would the other lock you featured open the same way?
@bloodsin28
5 жыл бұрын
This makes me wonder if you could use your fancy high amp electrical toy to melt through the shackle or even the chain. Not because it's super practical, but just to see how fast you could do it. Who knows, maybe there is potential in that type of attack more universally. I'd assume that it's less conspicuous than the torch.
@TheChemicalWorkshop
6 жыл бұрын
Bad lock but not that terrible... it took tome time and blowtorch in the city would be suspicious...
@tonychambers9228
6 жыл бұрын
Not really man because plumbers and handy men use them all the time. 30 seconds is fast not to mention this is quiet compared to a angle grinder
@cup_and_cone
6 жыл бұрын
Thieves carry 3 foot long bolt cutters in a city.... A typical 14oz plumbers torch would be much easier to carry.
@dsloop3907
6 жыл бұрын
Thieves really don't care. A MAPP gas torch is not very big.
@littlegoobie
6 жыл бұрын
every street crack head has portable torches.
@KennyMinigun
6 жыл бұрын
There might be other portable sources of heat except blowtorches. I can't name it right now, but I am sure there are.
@apex007
6 жыл бұрын
Next time try MAPP gas to see if it is any faster
@ppipowerclass
6 жыл бұрын
This was my thought too. MAPP gas could be easily concealed and burns hotter.
@cup_and_cone
6 жыл бұрын
MAPP gas isn't available anymore. All you can get now is the "Map" stuff that's propylene.
@PsychoticBovine
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a cordless soldering iron shoved into the lock would soften the inner housing with no noise and more directed heat? Then turn the core.
@drew79s
5 жыл бұрын
Given the mode of failure this would have applied equally to the New York Lock, as the lock body melted which would have allowed the rotation of the body regardless of the steel casing.
@larryg7336
6 жыл бұрын
I think you had it opened within the first two minutes, all you need to do was to tap it harder maybe with a Mallet
@diobrando9842
5 жыл бұрын
You can always open a lock by taping it with a mallet
@m.a.t.a.s
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, surely every bike thief carries a blow torch, a screwdriver and a 25 kg gas tank.
@dereklyons6885
3 жыл бұрын
Every meth user has several torches at their disposal and they are the ones most likely to steal your shit. Also most stoners have one to take dabs with.
@glenslick2774
6 жыл бұрын
Could you melt it with 900 amps (#545)? Seems like that would draw a lot less attention if you had a suitable power source nearby.
@danielkyees4729
Жыл бұрын
This obviously works and in some circumstances could be used but over al due to time and a light emitting. nouse producing tool this is impractical for public areas. Since it was the locking lugs that moved in the plastic I am curious to know if the New York lock would fail in the same way. albeit with longer heat time?
@johndoyle4723
6 жыл бұрын
I think the lock put up a good fight, more than enough to defeat a lowlife with a blowtorch and screwdriver. I suspect you are not on Kryptonites christmas card list. Nice video thanks.
@Godric_71
4 жыл бұрын
LPL. I have 3 questions for you. 1: how 2: when 3: why did you start lock picking?
@DreddPirateRoberts
5 жыл бұрын
10:49 - Technically, it _is_ a security flaw, since parts vital to the functionality of the lock are held in place by a thermoplastic. However, given how long it took to get the shackle off I would say that it's only a risk if one leaves their bike overnight.
@davidolson7575
5 жыл бұрын
I think it would be nice to see this demonstration again but as you said being able to go all the way to the back of the lock I think that it would’ve opened up like within two minutes.
@coladict
4 жыл бұрын
No special tools, he said... As if everyone just carries a blowtorch around.
@taitjones6310
4 жыл бұрын
I have 2. And anybody can go to a home depot and buy a torch. Locksmithing tools are special order, and if you are caught with them without a license they are considered burglary tools. A torch isn't.
@loser7528
4 жыл бұрын
....you don't?
@BigBadLoneWolf
4 жыл бұрын
@@taitjones6310 they are also a hell of a lot cheaper than a battery powered angle grinder
@dennisturgeon7019
5 жыл бұрын
Considering the locks purpose this has no meaningful value as a test, the motorcycle it was in would be damaged enough, and the risk and very apparent attack high enough as to deter this, I would imagine a dedicated motorcycle thief would be better off just learning to pick it open.
@FokkerBoombass
5 жыл бұрын
Good plastic may be better than cheap metal (say zinc alloy) and it shouldn't be dismissed instantly, but yeah in this case it's not a good place for it.
@philoso377
Жыл бұрын
Can we apply heat at the casing mid section until the screw driver rotate?
@maybewellok
5 жыл бұрын
*I know the easy way to open this luck silently* *Grabs a torch that are loud as hell and a normal screwdriver* _there you go, no-one would notice that_
@RAkers-tu1ey
6 жыл бұрын
bad guys don't work this hard R
@error.418
6 жыл бұрын
False
@T2roxT2
6 жыл бұрын
if hard work is what you mean by 5 minutes of heating it up for a bike that can be easily worth over 50k then i dunno man
@WithTimeComesStories
5 жыл бұрын
The New York lock has a second housing, but can the bolts be displaced in a similar fashion?
@giannisantypas9316
4 жыл бұрын
The same flaw is present in the New York version too: the plastic core will melt in the exact same way and the lugs will fall out of place.
@TheMrVengeance
4 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine the extra layer of steel would delay the melting somewhat. And if someone has the freedom/privacy to spend 10 minutes at your bike-lock with a gas tank and blowtorch, they'll be getting that lock open one way or another regardless. If you learn anything from reading up on (cyber)security and pen-testing; if someone wants to get into something badly enough, they will. All you can do is delay, or make the attempt as obvious as possible. (Like forcing someone to spend minutes with a blowtorch or angle grinder shooting flames/spark around and making lots of noise)
@gsmeyersaz
6 жыл бұрын
What thief is going to carry around a blow torch??? I purchased one of these locks for my motorcycle...works great!
@pete_lind
6 жыл бұрын
That size blow torch ... maybe not ... there are smaller pocket versions Its black lock and in direct sun shine it will heat up to over 90°C round 200°F ... and plastic parts start to deform if they are long periods in that heat without torch He should try to bake that lock in a oven to 90°C/200°F and test if that plastic part will fail .
@tonychambers9228
6 жыл бұрын
a map gas torch is like 30-40$ most theifs have access to plumbing tools out here so i think this is a huge security flaw
@tonychambers9228
6 жыл бұрын
Yes that is how alot of thefts happen neighbors see you have nice things and have there friends steal your shit. happens all the time here in nyc inside jobs
@cup_and_cone
6 жыл бұрын
The same thieves that are already carrying 3 foot long bolt cutters...
@frequencydecline5250
6 жыл бұрын
Gary Meyers - Yeah I think you are going to be fine. Real world, the outer rubber would be melting, smoking, burning and dripping off. Depending on how you have it attached, the whole thing got jostled enough that parts of the bike are going to be susceptible to the heat.....This just seems like a mess of a way to go about it. 4 minutes is a long time to be working like that, and this was in a garage. Weather conditions outside could increase the time it takes. And looking at pics of it in use, most of the pics its wedged pretty damn close to the tire....I'd be willing to bet if your bike gets stolen, it won't be because they blow torched the lock.
@ColeS_
3 жыл бұрын
What happens if you heat it between the shackle so you don't damage the actuator of the lock and pull with a pliers while you heat?
@oh8wingman
4 жыл бұрын
Just a little tip. If you are going to heat items up with a torch it's not advisable to place them on a concrete surface. Concrete always contains some water and there is a good possibility that the concrete will explode when the water in it boils. Set your item up on a stand of some kind or better yet get a couple of firebricks to put the item on. Getting a piece of high speed concrete in your eye is never a good thing. As far as this being a practical method to defeat a lock on the street, I don't think so. It's noisy and time consuming and I think you would invariably be challenged by someone. If you did it at night, it would be even worse as the flame would appear out of place and draw attention.
@russellhltn1396
6 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is softening the plastic enough/deep enough to rotate the core while still allowing the bolts to travel normally. Not impossible, but it seems like it might take some practice. Seems like it would be faster to melt the bolt area like you eventually did. I don't think it's a weakness for a public area, but it could be an issue for a secluded one.
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