Aesthetic improvements you got were substantial and they alone are worth it, sleep apnea is a nightmare legit ruins lives still waiting to have my MMA.
@abbywarr3378
2 жыл бұрын
Just by watching this journey I can see a difference in you! Your eye and neck twitching have decreased significantly! You look so much more rested! So happy for you!
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Haha yeah you noticed that! It definitely did. And it has lessened even more lately!
@Jake-qo3mp
2 жыл бұрын
That looks incredibly improved Evan. Fantastic work and so glad to see you feel so much better. Thank you for posting content to keep us informed of the ins and outs. Very much appreciated. A good one in the future would be a look at how you recovered please, how you lived your daily life post op?
@samhellyeah
2 жыл бұрын
bro let me tell you just your aesthetic gain from the surgery is worth it haha
@brian2973
Жыл бұрын
Being overwhelmed with all the consultations and conflicting information rings so true to me! That's where I am right now.
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Ahh I totally get it
@tjam4229
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that your pros far outweighed your cons. Congrats! Thanks so much for posting…You help a lot of people by doing these videos 🙏
@lena990
Жыл бұрын
Would love to hear your post 1 year updates, nerve sensations, and muscle tightness
@rbaddict2947
10 ай бұрын
Hey Evan, to begin, thank you so much for sharing your long detailed journey with this enigmatic disease we call UARS. It's truly a misunderstood sleep problem that we still are trying to fully grasp so your videos help tremendously. Love the new look!! Wow, you really look great. I've seen all your videos, it's a delight to see you so happy!! I sincerely hope you are feeling better now. BTW, is there any chance you can post a 1 year recap video of how you are doing now and what you've went through in the last year?? I think the community would be most grateful, even if you experienced challenges or set-backs, we all would be interested in hearing the truth on how your sleep has been effected through this last surgery plus your overall feelings.
@DaSchmed
2 жыл бұрын
You have an inspiring attitude through all of this. Thank you so much for sharing your journey and mindset!
@xmetrorider
2 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear your improving! You look much more well-rested. I hope you continue to see improvements. I'm hopefully getting surgery in late winter/early spring 2023 on the East Coast, so I would love to hear more about how you picked your surgeon and post-ops tips. It feels like a massive puzzle at the moment!
@jeroenvermeersch4875
7 ай бұрын
Hey, which surgeon did you pick and how did you surgery go?
@RyanWilliams222
21 күн бұрын
I’m also curious who you used and how it went.
@DDDarray
2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear you're feeling better. The myofunctional therapy seems like a great idea because I guess your brain developed around having to deal with a difficult airway, and now even the parts that work during sleep have to figure out the new hardware. My brain wakes me at the slightest disturbance and, looking back, restricted airway symptoms were there as early as I can remember. Finding treatments for the awful fatigue and other weird symptoms is worth anything. I hope a lot more people are inspired by your videos.
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Good point. Yeah there's probably a lot of maladaptive habits I've developed. And good luck on your treatment. Good things are to come
@jennyhanna01
10 ай бұрын
Your looking really good !! Love your videos. You've been through alot. Im soo happy for you. I didn't realise I had sleep apnea until I saw a new dentist and he advise for MSE surgery. I relate to issues with dentist procedures. The basic things that people take for granted just to breathe !!
@joegrant4
2 жыл бұрын
So glad you're feeling improvements Evan, thanks for sharing your journey!
@coyotestarastrology
2 жыл бұрын
Evan!!!!! I am so so so happy I decided to come check on you! You look so amazing and you are getting there! You poor thing you’ve fought so hard for this I’m so happy for you :) I’m having my MARPE Surgury august 15th❤️❤️
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Alexandra, I appreciate the support ❤️ good luck, I think it's gonna go well!
@anishtheone
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome results, my friend. I’m happy to hear you have more energy and are sleeping better. I’m posting some videos of my EASE procedure soon. Will keep you posted!
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I'd love to see that. Good luck, and yes let me know when you post it.
@anishtheone
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 here’s the pre and post op vids: kzitem.info/rock/c6j3aMRF-SiATp-wem5nKQ
@anishtheone
2 жыл бұрын
By the way, what were your mm movements?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@anishtheone 21mm pogonion
@anishtheone
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Wow. That’s a massive distance 👏🏽
@ce152capt100
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video.
@tipofthespear6118
2 жыл бұрын
Been looking foreard to thos one, thank you broski👍🏾
@relog
Жыл бұрын
Hey Evan, thank you so much for doing these update videos telling us everything, it helps so much I have to do the same journey you went threw but I'm wondering now a days how are things?
@TheCrossfitter
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you’re feeling better buddy, you look great 💙
@christinal434
Жыл бұрын
Wow so glad MMA has helped!! It's such a nightmarish journey, thank you for your videos. Who was your surgeon? Im looking to start MSE, no one understands this or knows how to help here in Canada. Exhausted and super cognitively impaired all the time. Anyway, hope you continue to heal, it's a huge major surgery for your poor body to recover from. ❤
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Dr.Benjamin Walline. Good luck!
@mladend6481
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 can you post a one year update?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
@@mladend6481 eventually I will!
@DTM45
Жыл бұрын
Bro…..you can tell that you are a rested individual. Wtg!
@n8rock1
9 ай бұрын
Evan love the content! It is very informative. You have been one of the few people on KZitem who have went through DJS for sleep apnea. Just wondering how your life is going for you a year after the surgery. Excited to hear from you. Also I am going to make it a goal to see Dr. Yoon for a consultation this year
@lorenzoishere
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, i´ll have a MMA surgery in a month for sleep apnea. I´m kinda scared, hope to improve the apnea. Your video helps alot. You should do a new polysomnography to compare it with the previos surgery ones
@Octaviatrance
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling your story, really interesting
@elirozen3858
Жыл бұрын
Hi Evan, thanks so much for posting and documenting your journey. This has honestly been super helpful to me as I'm also dealing with UARS (Doctor diagnosed, not self diagnosed). I've had 2 sleep studies, one showed 11 RDI/h and 2.5 AHI/hr and the second measured an AHI of 5.9 /hr. I also use the Oura ring and I constantly see oxygen level drops almost every night. Had septoplasty and turbinate reduction ~1 month ago which helped nasal breathing a lot but obviously did not fix anything. However during the same procedure I've also done DISE and found 100% collapse at the soft palate, 50% collapse of oropharynx and 25% base of tongue. No collapse at epiglottis. I have malampati class 3 -- always feel like there's not enough space in my mouth. I'm using a MAD which helps a tiny bit (started experiencing dreams lately) but I still feel like there's not enough space for air to go through. The Doctor that did the DISE has recommended me a barbed reposition pharyngoplasty (they also have to do tonsillectomy before) and said it should help and might cure, even though he said "it's a pretty rough procedure for a relatively mild condition". I'm also considering MMA but feel like it would be the next step if the BRP would not work. I plan to do CBCT soon and check my airways. WDYT about that BRP - waste of time & effort? Should I just go for MMA? Also, very curious, what about your headaches and dizziness? Is that cured for you?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Eli! I'd have to see your scans to make any judgement on what treatment path to consider (and even then, remember, I'm not a medical professional) I'm generally not a fan of soft tissue procedures but I especially feel that way when patients have clear skeletal deficiencies.
@elirozen3858
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Thanks! Makes sense - I'm working on getting those. Could you share an update regarding your headaches and dizziness? I remember you mentioned you have those in one of your earlier videos.
@elirozen3858
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Also, I have a very scalloped tongue and was wondering if that resolved for you after palate expansion or MMA?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
@@elirozen3858 headaches and dizziness greatly improved. I never had a scalloped tongue.
@brate2725
7 ай бұрын
@@elirozen3858 Hey Eli. I'm writing from Germany and also am in the same boat like you. 3,6 ahi and 4,6 AHi second. But my arousal were quite high. I had a MMA and it didn't help. MY Ent did a DISE and I get the NOSE + Palate done with tongue coblation. This was on Monday. I will see if it even helped a bit. What's your status? Thanks in advance.
@publicname515
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting your experience
@Pesso121
2 жыл бұрын
I love you, Evan😭
@sergiomedina1055
Жыл бұрын
That bed head is for heroes 👌🏽 😊
@shuikai272
2 жыл бұрын
So very very very glad everything is going well! I would like to comment on a few things if I may. - I think aesthetically it's basically perfect. That also goes to show that those other plans were definitely off. I think to some degree hindsight is 20/20, it's very difficult to predict, not impossible, but very challenging. - Symptomatic improvement sounds really good, maybe even moreso than a lot of other "UARS people". CPAP is usually about 70-80% reduction in AHI, whereas MMA is about 80-90%. Given your movements you're probably closer to the 90% group. MMA is the only sleep apnea surgery which performs equally to CPAP, and even exceeds it in some instances. - Speaking of next steps, any follow-up sleep studies planned? One thing I've noticed is that some of the labs might score RERA, but like Peninsula for example they like to use AASM 1B to score the hypopneas. I think this is a major issue, I think it's very important they use AASM 1A for hypopneas, which I think is actually even more important than whether or not they score RERA (which is also still a very nice thing to have). - Jaw pressure is an interesting topic, I think you had a lot of risk factors for condylar relapse, except being female, so that could explain a bit about why you're feeling that way. So long as it doesn't lead to significant relapse I guess is what is most important. LACOMS like to do less advancement because of the risk, though I've heard of some cases especially on the female side have had lots of relapse with LACOMS even with their smaller advancement. I'm going to hypothesize a bit here but I think the root problem may be that they never do TJR (even in the highest risk patients), as opposed to the problem being too much advancement. - Not surprising that your nasal congestion is much improved. I thought originally that it could all be related to the maxilla movement opening up the airway, but now I actually think that tongue posture may actually play a role in turbinate hypertrophy. Ironically people say that the best place is on the roof of the palate, but in severely recessed individuals when the tongue is in this position it can actually push back into the airway and press against the soft palate, even in the daytime. I think the negative pressure and resistance in the nasal passages can impact the size of the turbinates. When the jaws are advanced you can significantly impact this, especially in the daytime. It's possible that during the night, your tongue is pushing back against the soft palate and creating the same kind of situation again which enlarges the turbinates. Of course whether or not this is happening to you is all speculation, a sleep study is the best way to investigate that. In terms of soft palate collapse post-MMA I'm currently thinking either Inspire or BRP might be the most sensible options (and leaning towards Inspire, Vik Veer's video goes into some of the logic behind why that is (though I don't believe in 100% of what he said in his new video)).
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Really great points and thanks for all your guidance Shuikai. It all worked out. I want to give your comment that time it deserves for a reply. Just want to let you know that I read it and I will reply soon.
@MsFiFix1
10 ай бұрын
Are you saying proper tonge posture will cause congestion in recessed individuals
@shuikai272
2 жыл бұрын
You know it's funny how you mention your airway obstructing when your tongue is pushed back. At this point for mine to completely seal all I need to do is either, A. Relax my muscles around my throat B. Tilt my head/neck back (correct forward head posture) C. Tilt my head 90 degrees to the side And there is a complete cessation in breathing until it's corrected.
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Wow yeah that's extreme. Good indicator for MMA
@4thlineforlife
2 жыл бұрын
R u waiting for MMA as well?
@averysharp3602
2 жыл бұрын
your smile looks great man, how much did the entire process cost if you don't mind me asking?
@MsRoseCatcher
2 жыл бұрын
Give us another update Evan!
@Kalvin0916
2 жыл бұрын
Great everything went good!. Was your surgery medically covered by your insurance? Or you had to pay out of pocket?
@funkotic
Жыл бұрын
Please make an update on posture, sleep and energy levels.
@funkotic
Жыл бұрын
and im curious whats your bolt score. chech video on youtube: Nasal Breathing Test “The Bolt Score” by PJFPerformance
@AbyssalDepth1
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Evan, you look amazing. Glad to hear you're doing better in terms of getting rest as well. I'm also interested in Walline. Do you mind telling me how much you paid, particularly the hospital fees? Were the hospital fees exorbitant or not close to the estimations? Don't want to go for it and then get slammed with a hospital fee way higher than estimated with Jacquie...
@nweissman
2 жыл бұрын
Evan can you talk a little more about your plans to address nasal congestion and turbinate hypertrophy?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
No plans yet. Just time and general healthy living (exercise and diet)
@gabrielaponte6403
Жыл бұрын
Why not get them reduced and get immunotherapy
@Postdisclosureworld
2 жыл бұрын
Potentially try something like the didgeridoo now that your airways are so much more open. (Okay, doing myofunctional exercises.... good idea I think)
@markmoore3086
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to another update video!
@coyotestarastrology
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes also wanted to say- when I got my DISE dr zaghi discovered I was doing “breath holding” aside from my obstructive events - I.e my body has so much anxiety from years of apnea’s that now I hold my breath in my sleep as an anxiety response. I even catch myself doing this during the day. It’s like a sub branch of central apnea’s. I’m wondering if this could be happening with you? I’ve noticed if I’m very very disciplined around breath work throughout the day (slow conscious breaths for about 15-20 mins twice a day) this goes WAY down within a couple weeks. Just a thought!
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Huh wow yeah that might be worth looking into. I wonder if it goes away on its own over time after sleep apnea treatment?
@coyotestarastrology
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 for me it is 100% connected to anxiety levels. Every time my stress goes up it gets worse.
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@coyotestarastrology good to know. That's motivating, thank you. :)
@kartikchahal4433
2 жыл бұрын
@@coyotestarastrology i also breathe arythmically when i sleep sometimes i wake up with heart palpitations
@RosetheHat23
Жыл бұрын
Holy moly! Thought I was nuts, I do this as well! No one seemed to understand when I said “I sometimes forget to breathe!” 😬 And definitely worsens with stress! Glad to know I’m not alone!
@ponderatulify
9 ай бұрын
really curious how you are recovering. I haven't done jaw surgery, but my tiredness improved after unlocking some emotional blockages. I know this sounds strange. But for me it was emotional and somatic.
@justinlong1223
2 жыл бұрын
Hey dude! Thanks for sharing! I consulted w/Walline as well and like him a lot. Who was your ortho?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Dr.Audrey Yoon
@justinlong1223
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 awesome! She is mine as well. Do you have ANY regrets about the Yoon/Walline combo?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@justinlong1223 nope :)
@TechVHD
Жыл бұрын
Evan Im looking for a new updated video
@eddie8489
2 жыл бұрын
Hey glad you're doing better! I'm struggling with severe turbinate hypertrophy ruining my life, had a radiofrequency reduction 2 months ago and they're already growing back again :( . what would you suggest I do?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any scans and photos of the various parts of your airway and mouth to share?
@tomrogers8071
2 жыл бұрын
You look great Evan! Your jaw-line looks very masculine now. Glad to hear you're doing well, although bummed for you that it isn't where you wanted it to be. Do you know how many millimeters your jaws were advanced? I'm over a year out from EASE now, still in braces, and the results have seemed to get much better over time. Probably half the nights I sleep normal now without CPAP. The other half of the nights are variable. For a small surgery it was a big result, so I'm not sure I'll be going forward with an MMA anytime soon.
@GrowYourFace
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Tom. I am currently undergoing nasomaxillary expansion with the EASE - I’m about 1.5 months in and still have maybe 2 months of expanding to go. How much better did your nasal breathing improve from before EASE?
@Itstimetogogo
Жыл бұрын
@@GrowYourFace How’s the EASE procedure going for you? I just recently had a consult with Dr. Li to discuss starting it.
@GrowYourFace
Жыл бұрын
@@Itstimetogogo nice man. I’ve been making good progress. Steadily expanding but still have months to go. Nasal breathing is a little bit better
@Itstimetogogo
Жыл бұрын
@@GrowYourFace That’s great to hear man, I’m happy for you. Is the expansion process gnarly or do you find it becomes mundane just turning the screw everyday?
@GrowYourFace
Жыл бұрын
@@Itstimetogogo very mundane. Not gnarly at all after the first few days after install. It takes me like 2 minutes in the morning. It’s like brushing
@abdulrazzakshebli3174
2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Evan! I hope you get more benefits soon. I've noticed that you have difficulty swallowing a little bit. Why is that?
@kevmankom
Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the great videos. I appreciate you sharing all this. You are in a similar situation I am in. I hope this reaches you. How are things progressing? Did your maxilla expansion get both anterior and posterior expansion? I just saw a thing from Kasey Li that describes posterior expansion as being very important. Best wishes man, thank you. I hope you make the videos you were talking about in this one. They would be very helpful to many people, myself included.
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Hello! My expansion was perfectly parallel. Things are good! I'm cured! Good luck to you.
@kevmankom
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Awesome! That is great to hear. Were you able to get your nasal breathing any better over time? And how has your tongue position been? When you said you could collapse your airway in this video and then post surgery you couldn't it gave me so much hope because that is where I am at and that is one of my goals for my procedure.
@davidgrossman8830
2 жыл бұрын
I needed this video thank you, how do you feel about your look
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
I like my new look
@balakfnd1931
2 жыл бұрын
Bro went from looking like Olimar to Enrique
@gurjotsingh8934
8 ай бұрын
I think the mma makes your ramus and mid face deficiencies look more prominent
@SleepDisorderedBreathing
Жыл бұрын
A good question to ask is, has MMA changed how your throat collapses and is that collapse compatible with inspire? If you're still considering that.
@SleepDisorderedBreathing
Жыл бұрын
Yea MMA can eliminate a complete concentric collapse making you eligible for inspire
@SleepDisorderedBreathing
Жыл бұрын
I have inspire and I am happy with it, however, OSA and UARS are very complex, and I feel I need a multilateral approach. So I am considering MSE and MMA on top of inspire, and if that is not enough which I DOUBT, then I will do soft tissue surgeries as a last resort. Happy to chat if you want.
@Mattinader
2 жыл бұрын
Does your doctors know why you are still tired? I’ve also done a double jaw surgery and I’m not feeling better at all. Im getting checked for tongue tie now
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows for sure. Maladaptive breathing habits, residual nasal congestion, poor airway muscle and tissue tone, and under-advancement are my guess for my case.
@jheritage7492
Жыл бұрын
MSE extensions have quite a few asymmetric expansion cases. If you look at the cheekbones or teeth, they expand relatively symmetrically, while the septum is curved or the palate suture is not exactly split in half. In that case, I think it may not improve nasal breathing. I, too, had my nasal septum bent due to MSE during expansion.
@bumba8154
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by Mse extensions?
@jheritage7492
Жыл бұрын
@@bumba8154one of rapid palate expanxion device AKA Maxillary Skeletal Expansion
@bumba8154
Жыл бұрын
@@jheritage7492 oh you meant to say expansion then?
@jheritage7492
Жыл бұрын
@@bumba8154 i cant understand your mean. im not good at english. plz recomment. im using translate app.
@kartikchahal4433
2 жыл бұрын
Have you observed any posture improvement after djs? I mean is it now easy for you to maintain a good posture? Also how's the jaw pressure/ clicking now? Do you still use nasal strips at night? Full treatment cost?
@megarichie007
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Evan congratulations 👏 you sound great did your voice change in Any way post operation
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not that I've noticed.
@blockbuster1979
Жыл бұрын
Evan, I'm also planning to get double jaw surgery with Walline and would love to hear about how you worked with him to achieve such a great outcome. Were there any specific adjustments you made to his surgical plan, or was there anything you felt was important to incorporate in your surgical plan that Walline otherwise would not have done?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I had another plan from a different surgeon and that one seemed a little too extreme but Walline's seemed a little too conservative. I asked him if he can make a plan that was somewhere in the middle and he did
@blockbuster1979
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Thanks! And please keep the videos coming, by the way. I'm a fan and find your videos very helpful
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
@@blockbuster1979 no prob! Ok I will make another :)
@mir22v
Ай бұрын
who was your doctor/surgeon?
@UmarUmar-bg1fj
2 жыл бұрын
Can you please talk about the aesthetic aspects. Also do you have any after photos where you are shaved?
@SajidKhan-kt6rz
Жыл бұрын
Who was your surgeon, and how much was your advancement?
@jheritage7492
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I feel a little awkward because English is not my first language. Please understand. Have you ever taken ssri or other psychiatric drugs? withdrawal or reducing this type of drug causes problems with serotonin and acetylcholine levels, which reduces the ability to maintain respiratory muscle tension during sleep. This also causes sleep apnea.
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm that's very interesting, thanks for sharing. No I haven't taken drugs like that.
@silversurfer198
Жыл бұрын
What were your movements and who did your work? I'm in the process of picking a surgeon now
@gulcint3050
Жыл бұрын
you look much better after the surgery, but you said your jaw joints are under pressure. are you sure your maxilla is not pushing down on your mandible? unfortunately l suffer immensely from all those kinds of pressures and sleep apnea because of wrong and some unnecessary treatments l got, dental extractions, having my maxilla and mandible pushed far back and downwards, now my jaw joints are dislocated, hurting, my air way of course is narrowing more and more and l'm suffocating. ln conclusion, l wanted to say that, if your maxilla is not pushing your mandible downwards or backwards, l don't understand why they should be under any pressure. l assume, with a little bit of tipping of the upper front teeth upwards, maybe your maxilla would not push your mandible down any more, wish you all the luck with your situation, which already improved so much
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Hello! First off, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Yes, I'm positive that is not the case. BSSO surgery itself causes jaw joint pressure. This has to do with the geometry of the movement itself. I should make a video on it sometime because then it would be clear as to why this happens. But it's very common, and an unavoidable part of bsso.
@gulcint3050
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 ah ok, l'd like to watch that video, also because it would provide useful information for people having problems regarding jaws and jaw joints, on pros and cons of the operation. lt's better to hear things from the perspective of the experiencer
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
@@gulcint3050 ok! Been busy lately but I'll try to make that video
@focusssss994
2 жыл бұрын
I thought MMA would cured your sleep apnea. There are 2 things come up in my mind 1.maybe the advancement or the rotation is not enough 2.maybe the issue is on the other site like nasal airway
@canihaveonemommy
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the update. How many weeks were you off work?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
8
@markmoore3086
7 ай бұрын
Any plans for an update video?
@davelee8856
2 жыл бұрын
Wow this is a great result, did they move your chin as well (Chin osteotomy)?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Genioplasty.
@markmoore3086
11 ай бұрын
The Internet needs the next update video!
@sanemonk1
2 жыл бұрын
Evan I already have MMA surgery and now planning for MSE proccedure. Now that you have both do you think MSE after MMA is worth it? Your honest opinion about would be appreciated.
@shuikai272
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen it work post-MMA, but like 1 year after the MMA. Might be more likely to split than pre-MMA.. EASE is more guaranteed to split well, it probably depends on your age and gender, bone density.
@sanemonk1
2 жыл бұрын
@@shuikai272 thanks for pointing out EASE. Dr kaseys li's video helped understand these proccedures more but EASE seems super expensive.
@karimjassim7510
Жыл бұрын
4 months later - on a scale from 1-10, how was your sleep quality now? from 1-10, how was it before the surgery?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm. 2 before 6 after.
@melaniagheorghe9256
Жыл бұрын
Can you share who did surgery on you please? Or at least list who you saw in consultation please.
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Dr.Benjamin Walline
@Alex-wx8be
3 ай бұрын
How much did you pay?
@alejandromolina5708
2 жыл бұрын
How are you man. You look good. Did this cure your sleep apnea?? I’m really looking fir a way out from this too as I have sleep apnea.
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
I can't say for sure without a new sleep study, but probably not. At least not yet.
@danielryuu
2 ай бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032sorry to bother u Man, but can u update us a bit?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 ай бұрын
@@danielryuu I uploaded a new vid
@classiqbrandon
Жыл бұрын
How long after the surgery did you have to eat through a tube and couldn't open your jaw
@norubi
Жыл бұрын
I think you have a dysfunction in your ATM, the joints of the maxillary/mandibule, and it could produce pain in some tooth. A question! the MMA could reduce the distance between the nose and the lip and reduce the nasoangle?
@joedimaggio3146
Жыл бұрын
Hey Evan, how are you doing now? Do you feel your voice has changed at all? Is it deeper or easier to project?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
I'm doing well. My voice may have gotten deeper? I'm not sure honestly. Hard to say.
@BigMuscleWoman
2 жыл бұрын
It looks super good. Thank you for sharing your experience.
@einviktor4297
Жыл бұрын
Give us a ballpark estimate of how much all of it cost you, mse, MMA all of it!
@SecretMountainTroll
2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to get EASE done as both my MSEs failed
@luke14946
2 жыл бұрын
Just curious, How old are you? And did you get corticopuncture both times? It's a shame that MARPE alone still isn't apparently a 100% reliable as an alternative to surgical palate expansion, that seemed like the charm of it. There's a guy named "JKK", who had 4 MSEs, (he's in his early 30s) And he's still now looking to get EASE or surgical expansion to achieve a h'wee bit more expansion, as the amount he already managed to achieve wasn't sufficient enough. If you haven't heard of him, you should watch his videos.
@SecretMountainTroll
2 жыл бұрын
@@luke14946 25 male. First mse got maybe 1mm of expansion without a diastema, 10mm expander. 2nd got me a 3mm pacman expansion in the back. Looking to get ease done now by Dr. Li in San Jose, not sure if anyone else does EASE. I'm also looking to get a posterior tonge tie release done at some point too
@luke14946
2 жыл бұрын
@@SecretMountainTroll "pacman", that's how Ronald Ead once described it, where the expansion is sorta "V-shaped" anterior gets expanded, but posterior doesn't get much expansion, meaning that nasal breathing is only minimally improved. a more "parallel-split" on the other hand would allow for more improvement in nasal breathing. Did you get corticopuncture?
@SecretMountainTroll
2 жыл бұрын
@@luke14946 yes, corticopuncture on the 2nd one which got me the Pacman split, both were 2 turns per day
@mladend6481
2 жыл бұрын
@@SecretMountainTroll have you thought about doing MSE with surgical assist?
@ew5770
2 жыл бұрын
do you think the marpe helped you or would you skip it now if you knew you were going to have the MMA surgery?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Helped alot
@ew5770
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 okay thanks! marpe and mse are the same thing right? it is very confusing! Are you able to share who your jaw surgeon was? thanks again! I also see Zaghi - he's amazing!
@shankar0cr
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry if it's been asked before Evan, but what were your movements?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
I'll make a vid on it soon. POG was 21mm iirc.
@jxd9389
4 ай бұрын
Who did your surgery?
@jonathanmacias7624
5 ай бұрын
Omg same, that tooth my MSE was anchored to kept hurting, so I got a root canal, not sure if it was infected or not lol.
@evanlavizadeh4032
4 ай бұрын
I didn't do a root canal and it feels mostly better.
@kasiagalicamadetomove
7 ай бұрын
hey friend, curious on whether you have considered Postural Restoration to continue your journey- I think it can help you continue to integrate all these changes in your body!
@evanlavizadeh4032
7 ай бұрын
I did go to physical therapy to work on my posture. I put alot of work into it and saw no changes. Was pretty discouraging honestly. Any advice? I appreciate you!
@evanlavizadeh4032
7 ай бұрын
This is totally separate but I was looking through some of your videos. Great stuff, I'm going to watch some more. I don't know if you noticed that all your videos are listed as "KZitem for kids." I used to accidentally hit that button too. I think it makes your videos harder to find.
@kasiagalicamadetomove
6 ай бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 OMG thank you, I'm dying laughing. I am clearly not a youtube person (I'm more active on Instagram and LinkedIn)
@kasiagalicamadetomove
6 ай бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 hey so this is where I tell folks that not all physical therapy is made equally. An orthopedic/muscle based approach is pretty typical insurance model. Postural Restoration (PRI) is a neurological approach that takes into account cranium, ribcage, pelvis (jaw and everything development) Check out my much more saavy KZitem creator Neal Hallinan and highly recommend finding a PRI specialist to work with - kzitem.info/news/bejne/q3uLsY6sZnyfn2k
@musikalniyfanboichik
Жыл бұрын
wow that's crazy gains
@chrisking6695
Жыл бұрын
What surgeon did you end up doing it with?
@blockbuster1979
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, was there supposed to be a photo at the end? Of peak swelling day 4 post op . . .
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Ahh shoot yeah It's totally supposed to be there. I made it flash for a second at the very end to be funny. I can't see it on my android phone but i can see it on my girlfriend's iphone. I think it depends on what OS you're using :/
@blockbuster1979
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 No worries! And that makes sense, I'm on a Google pixel
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@blockbuster1979 same!
@tjam4229
2 жыл бұрын
Ben, I saw the flash photo. I recorded a screenshot video. Then played it slow motion until the quick screenshot appeared. Swelling, but without black and blue! Nice 👍
@joedimaggio3146
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Evan, glad your recovery has gone pretty well. I'm interested in what you've got to say regarding the joints. I already have TMD with internal derangement and I'm worried that MMA would make it worse, what do you think?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
If your MMA consists of a BSSO on the lower jaw (there are alternatives, but they're much less common), then MMA will probably make TMD worse. It depends on how much advancement you need, but BSSO puts a lot of stress on the TMJ just due to the geometry of the movements. And it's somewhat permanent. You can look into alternatives, but I think they carry other risks. It's definitely good to do more research and consult with lots of top surgeons.
@joedimaggio3146
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 What are the alternatives? IMDO?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@joedimaggio3146 there's a few but I can't remember the acronyms. Sorry. But there are some which don't apply any pressure on TMJ
@joedimaggio3146
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 There is hope! Thanks man, I will have a dig in the research and see what I can find. If you do remember any acronyms please let me know.
@slowlynow9
2 жыл бұрын
joe. im going through this as we speak. I am stabilizing and correcting TMD through bodywork and muscle retraining and release. then im using a splint (tmj specialist) to alleviate tmj and then going to use it to get a new more functional bite w/ orthodontics. I then will retrude the teeth (or whichever one brings them out) and finally once everything is symmetrical and ready I will get MMA. its a long process but there are no shortcuts I think of. 1 Release and retrain the muscles and functions. 2 while doing #1 take pressure off the tmjs and make a new stable healthy bite 3 after everything is stable and pretty damn symmetrical the mma should be okay for thr tmjs….fingers crossed….otherwise its too late for us and we will just have to do our kids better 😊❤ ps I am also healing my allergies and food sensitivities and working on handling my stress better otherwise my turbinates will stay inflamed and breathing will suck I am alllsssoo getting Nasal surgery to open up airways. :)
@Onimushawarlord
Жыл бұрын
Any updates? I've had almost an identical experience to yours so far. Had my MMA Surgery done 5 months ago. I hope that I'm not plateauing either.
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
I'm cured
@jheritage7492
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 hi. Have your senses recovered? Especially the palate sensation? how about tmj pressure
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
@@jheritage7492 I still have a tiny bit of numbness but it's no big deal. TMJ pressure is mostly gone, but there is still a tiny bit
@jheritage7492
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 thanks for your reply
@markmoore3086
5 ай бұрын
I'm currently recovering from the same surgery done by Walline. How long did it take for your lower chin/lip to regain full sensation like you referenced to in the video?
@evanlavizadeh4032
4 ай бұрын
I don't remember, sorry :(
@gregducati999
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Evan can you please tell me the time Between doing Marpe expansion and MMA? I am currently doing Marpe and want to do MMA soon im just not sure how soon I can do it after MSC expansion, without causing relapse
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
Prob 6 months minimum. I did 8 or 9.
@OrionL7
7 ай бұрын
Hi Evan. I'm having surgery with the same surgeon soon. Similar case to yours. Paying out of pocket from another country so a tad nervous about outcomes. How do you think you'd feel today if you did the mma, but skipped the marpe entirely? Basically what % of your current state is attributed to the marpe vs. mma. Also, was the genio for aesthetics or was there a functional component to it? Thanks!
@evanlavizadeh4032
7 ай бұрын
25 marpe 75 MMA id guess. Idk about the genio question. There is a tongue base advanced from it I've hear but I just followed my surgeons plan there
@funkotic
2 жыл бұрын
How your posture changed? Forward head posture had to improve immensly also pelvis and whole body chain
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure yet. It doesn't seem like an obvious change, but I still need to take an after photo and compare them. I'll probably do that this weekend
@PraiseworthyNobleman
Жыл бұрын
Great there's a lot of improvement at the jawline and now you look like John Wick
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
HAHAA thank you my friend. I got a chuckle from that
@lena990
Жыл бұрын
When you said you woke up from surgery and could feel how unnatural your jaws felt, did that feeling go away?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@kartikchahal4433
Жыл бұрын
is it required to get removed your wisdom teeth for jaw surgery
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Not in all cases
@samferrell7757
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Evan, thanks for sharing your journey. What changes did you notice about your smile if any? Like the position/curve of your lips and how far they can stretch compared to before? Does it feel more restricted now or is the same?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
The biggest change to me is that I have new scar tissue on my upper lip frenum. I wish that I had been stretching the frenum to prevent restrictive scar tissue because now, my smile is different and my upper lip has less mobility
@samferrell7757
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Thanks so much for responding, losing lip mobility is one of my concerns with MMA surgery, do you know if stretching the frenum early is a surefire way to prevent this, or perhaps you know where I could read more on this topic?
@evanlavizadeh4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@samferrell7757 no, stretching the frenum is something I made up. Not actual medical advice. I was stretching it naturally because it instinctively felt satisfying. I didn't know why. I was just puffing up my cheeks by blowing air in them to stretch and it felt good on my frenum. I later realized the scar tissue. Just a thought I had, but it doesn't hurt to try.
@roxannerubin6293
Жыл бұрын
Happy for you! I wanted to ask - did MMA improve your nasal breathing?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Yes it did! MMA can also worsen your nasal breathing. It depends on a few factors. Am planning on making videos about it soon
@roxannerubin6293
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 yes please do. MSE has currently failed to improve my nasal breathing but I’m thinking of doing djs - probably also with LACOMs.
@roxannerubin6293
Жыл бұрын
@@evanlavizadeh4032 Does it depend on surgical planning? Or is it hard to predict how nasal breathing will go?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
@@roxannerubin6293 it depends entirely on the surgical planning. Patients should learn these details because they have a pretty direct outcome on nasal breathing.
@matttzb
Жыл бұрын
Hey man, i thought I’d reach out. Im 21 M, Im currently expanding with MSE , and it’s been going pretty good and i split on turn 15. I’ve done about 15 turns since. I’ve felt improvements in nasal breathing, but I’m still getting stuffy and in the waves that I am clear I’m clearer and in the waves I get stuffy im usually less stuffy, but I’m just kinda worried about the breathing part. Is it too early to really expect super significant breathing benefits? I know it’s pretty much not how it works for someone to expand with MSE and not breathe better out of the nose but I’m just worried I guess. Was very narrow before I started.
@HHindsight
Жыл бұрын
It looks like a very good result! you said it's not the result you would have gotten through natural development - do you think that result could have been achieved but wasn't? or that there's no way to get a surgery that would achieve that?
@yahyaelmi8435
7 ай бұрын
Update us??
@PrincePrince-bt9iv
Жыл бұрын
Do you mind sharing where you did your surgery and who did it?
@evanlavizadeh4032
Жыл бұрын
Dr.Walline at LACOMS
@jacobmarzalik938
8 ай бұрын
Have you heard or considered Inspire Therapy (hypoglossal nerve stimulation)?
@evanlavizadeh4032
8 ай бұрын
Yeah I know about it. Never considered it. Wouldn't have addressed my root cause (small jaws)
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