Primal Therapy saved my life or should I say mental health many years ago when I found his book by chance on my brother-in-laws book shelf while looking after his and my sisters home when they went on holiday..he died of lung cancer three days ago and I suppose I will always feel beholden to him for having that book in his bookshelf:-) Rest in peace Ron you were a good man!
@didu2689
Жыл бұрын
Which book? By what author?
@jkryanspark
4 жыл бұрын
One reason Primal Therapy hasn't caught on is the cost. In the summer of 2001, I went to Venice, CA to do the therapy at the Janov Center (I live in NYC) for three months. It cost me $22k. I simply could not afford to continue. Although I totally believe in and endorse Primal, it is an elitist therapy. Many of my fellow patients there were being financed by well to do parents.
@clayandputtyvideos1647
4 жыл бұрын
Yep I could have bought a house in Malibu and a Rolls Royce with that money from my parents which went to the Janovs.
@ilfautdanser9121
4 жыл бұрын
This is just polyvagal theory with no mention of the vagus nerve
@antoniosciara7322
2 жыл бұрын
@@clayandputtyvideos1647 Well did it heal you and change your life?
@pavlaki1
2 жыл бұрын
This is where most of Janov's trained therapists have disagreed. Those who went on to develop their own practices, such as Theresa Sheppard (ex New York Institute director and author of "Facing the Wolf") and The London Association of Primal Psychotherapists (ex Paris Institute), changed the payment plan to make it more accessible and integrated into the daily lives of their patients. i.e. pay as you go. The therapy I had with them was excellent.
@jkryanspark
2 жыл бұрын
@@pavlaki1 Tracey was my first therapist before she moved to the opposite coast and she indeed did give me a price break. Back in the early 80s, she charged me $55 a session and, I believe, $25 for group. New York now has a dearth of Primal therapists and the one I know of I can't afford. While in Venice, the cost of PT was the top concern of the majority of my fellow patients. Btw, Tracey was a better therapist than any I had in Venice. That's an opinion shared by many others who had previously worked with Tracey in NYC. However, my first question for her during the interview phase of my therapy was if she intended to continue doing therapy long term and in NYC. She recognized me as having abandonment issues and assured me it was her life's work and that she was madly in love with Manhattan and would never leave. She waxed poetic about her love for NYC. Even when she went on sabbatical to have her baby, she continued to reassure me she'd never change her mind. She did, and let's just say she's not my favorite person, a view I also share with the many others who were devastated by her change of mind. It's her right, but she left a lot of people without an alternative and with open wounds she had helped to mine. Be well. Glad you were helped.
@sunnieweeks5166
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video this is what is wrong with me. Sometimes I have these urges to just scream and then I feel better and realize now it is repressed anger from things I have been thru since the age of 3 on up.
@annastolz5854
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful interview!
@Teal_Leadership
9 ай бұрын
Primal Therapy would be best integrated with Inner Child theory/practice so as to help keep people in need moving on the Self Healing journey. Meanwhile the power restored from deep early trauma better be transferred to the people around so as to passing the light on. Human beings are searching for meanings for their lives.
@clayandputtyvideos1647
4 жыл бұрын
I did Primal Therapy. I miss France and Art. I miss everybody from that era.
@hansdeutsch2602
26 күн бұрын
Indeed. In my opinion the knowledge of Primal Therapy will be lost within our generation. As far as I know no one who practices correct Primal Therapy is training new thereapsists. There is no demand anyway since universities do not even inform students of the existence of Primal Therapy. Time and again when I ask do you know who Arthur Janov is the answer is no. Just asked a behavioral therapist I met by chance in Austria: She had not heard of Janov. And if someone has heard of the "Primal Scream" they have no clue what it is.
@colinfeltham7293
Жыл бұрын
I had primal therapy at Janov's institute in LA in 1978-79. It was extremely hyped up and I was initially a big believer. It didn't take too long, however, to realise that it didn't li
@ronski2006
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this informative and valuable interview.
@heleenbos3569
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@mangogirl19
6 жыл бұрын
Didn't he introduce her as Dr France Janov in the first place?
@nickidaisyreddwoodd5837
5 жыл бұрын
And so pathetic of her to insist on the Doctor title. She has gone into Ego and self image making instead of into who she really is as the inner child. And nobody corrected this in her.
@marinanabutovskiy0325
8 ай бұрын
@@nickidaisyreddwoodd5837 I agree
@siebrendevos
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading this! I just read the biology of love and primal healing, everything in your interview makes a lot of sense now! Looking forward to your crowdsources book of stories and finding archetypes in those!
@RichardKingDoesOne
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Siebren - I must get onto that...
@sommetbleu
6 жыл бұрын
I thought the pool of pain concept was given up decades ago? I remember Art writing about it in one of his books. Now it's back? I prefer to see it not as a pool or tub, but as a beast that needs to be tamed. You tame it by feeling it and eventually the best becomes tame as a kitten. The memories remain but the pain has been transformed into feeling. And they don't completely disappear, especially the early pains. But they do lose their power over your life. France is right, the longer you do the therapy, the more ability you have to make a good life.
@richardatherton4813
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I agree here Bruce. I think certain of my kittens I have actually killed.
@sommetbleu
6 жыл бұрын
Actually, it doesn't make neurological sense. There is no storehouse of pain in the brain waiting to be expunged. There is, however, a number of memories in there waiting to be remembered. As each memory surfaces, there is pain to be expressed. Expressing the pain releases the traumatic nature of the memory and it becomes just a memory. (Which may need several revisits with more expression for years.) So the primal pool or tub concept is just an analogy.
@RichardKingDoesOne
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, although I wouldn't go as far analogy. I don't think that tubs of water and stored memories have much in the way of shared characteristics. I think of it a loose metaphor. In terms of the process, I do believe that a memory can become denatured of its associated pain altogether - that the pain can be eliminated permanently.
@athecheat
6 жыл бұрын
Bruce Wilson i compare mine (individual pains) to a festering cyst or blister full of pus.
@RichardKingDoesOne
6 жыл бұрын
I like cyst - definitely subcutaneous, stable, not easily visible or accessible in the first instance, liveable with, relatively easy to ignore if you distract yourself enough, you can choose to ignore it, and go to your death not having dealt with it.
@Summer-kb2dm
2 жыл бұрын
Anybody know where I can watch the documentary on Primal Therapy (2018)? Also I went through Primal Therapy over 30 years ago - it is the most effective therapy for healing I have ever been through. I was fortunate enough to have a therapist locally where I live. She also charged on a sliding scale. I became interested in Primal Therapy after reading the book the "The Feeling Child" - while it is outdated in many ways - I found it to be the most compelling. The cost is a valid criticism. I also understand the problems of transferrance - a good therapist will catch this as just another defense system. Also the interviewer ask very relevant questions.
@RichardKingDoesOne
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Susan - thank you. Yes, I have also found Primal Therapy to be the most effective out there. I've not heard of the documentary you mention. If you do find it, please let me know!
@Summer-kb2dm
2 жыл бұрын
@@RichardKingDoesOne Okay - It looks like Mubi might have it. I haven't tried signing up for the subscription service to see.
@RichardKingDoesOne
2 жыл бұрын
@@Summer-kb2dm It doesn't seem to be available there. I've just tried to connect with the producer Ulf on LinkedIn. I'll see if I get anywhere.
@Summer-kb2dm
2 жыл бұрын
@@RichardKingDoesOne Let me know if you find anything.
@PeterFellin
6 жыл бұрын
Great shame about the miserably low sound-quality!
@sheri023
6 жыл бұрын
Reading the closed captions helps.
@richardatherton4813
6 жыл бұрын
Yes Peter - the line sucked! My plan is to get out to Palm Springs sometime and interview France in person.
@richardatherton4813
6 жыл бұрын
Oh should I say Dr France Janov ;)
@sharihoffman1226
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardatherton4813 I just put on the cc and it's great. thanks to the comment above this.
@sharihoffman1226
5 жыл бұрын
@@sheri023 very helpful. thank you!
@antoniosciara7322
2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know? I heard that in the early days of the therapy that many patients took LSD to access their pain.
@RichardKingDoesOne
2 жыл бұрын
Not heard that Antonio. However, I just recently met someone who has done both ayahuasca and Primal and reported that whilst ayahuasca helped open him to his pain, only Primal was able to help him properly resolve it. Plus of course, there is the risk that psychedelics taken in the wrong way can overwhelm people with pain.
@gitavalimaterdey267
Жыл бұрын
When you are on a drug it leads later (when you are clean again) to an inevitable doubt and you start to question your experience. There is no way to say that what you went through on a drug was not caused by the drug, in my opinion... :) Do you know what I mean? I am sorry, English is not my language.
@colinfeltham7293
Жыл бұрын
Dr Frank Lake used to do that.
@ironfistarrival
4 жыл бұрын
Primal therapy is so Expensive ,as humanitarian Psychologists if they were , they should make it so available to poorer people , on their web site the price of Just one Janov’s book is about 900 $ Dollar ! That is a reap off , why they do not lower that price man ?
@Jubidar
4 жыл бұрын
What? You can get them for 7-8-18-20$ on Amazon.
@clayandputtyvideos1647
4 жыл бұрын
On Amazon books that are no longer in print can go up to those levels they become collector items.
@Jubidar
4 жыл бұрын
@@clayandputtyvideos1647 Right now one is under 3$, one under 10$ and one under 8$. You should first check.
@clayandputtyvideos1647
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jubidar I never buy used books. I don't buy new paper books either. I live green. Only ebooks.
@Jubidar
4 жыл бұрын
@@clayandputtyvideos1647 ...ok?
@grayking8123
6 жыл бұрын
I hope this man learns the necessary tricks to succeed as a KZitem channel. The first word he speaks is Doctor but evidently that didn't reach France. There must be plenty of help available on how to produce videos for KZitem. He has a good personality and mind for the job. He may even have to come up with a different channel name.
@richardatherton4813
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Grahame. What's your channel name suggestion?
@nickidaisyreddwoodd5837
5 жыл бұрын
It is pathetic of people to insist on their doctor titles. That is all a huge act out.
@samlee2562
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a shame you can't clearly hear what she's saying a lot of the time, you could order very cheap microphone headsets or lapel mics for guests to increase fidelity dramatically and test audio quality before 👍
@samlee2562
3 жыл бұрын
Or just the little headphones you're wearing sound much better 👍
@elhamayat1985
Жыл бұрын
I have been shy all my life. I had very few friends. My parents never encouraged me in life. I did not see the least verbal affection from them. I always felt unable to fulfill the tasks of life. All they did was always do my tasks themselves (as much as possible) they just supported me. Their support made my problem worse. I have not had any success (education, career) in my life. Now I feel unable to do anything. I think the reason is my low intelligence, which cannot be changed. Please write if you know anything to help me.
@metanoia2383
Жыл бұрын
Accept and feel deeply into the lack of affection you felt In childhood. Feel into it deeply and accept the pain
@Teal_Leadership
9 ай бұрын
Go to see a seasoned integral bodymind therapist. Just like yours my parents simply supported me mostly in my physical existence from the very beginning.
@PeterFellin
6 жыл бұрын
There are many kinds of causes of what Arthur Janov for a while called "primal pain" (and for an even shorter while called Pain spelled with a capital P). Only the most obvious symptoms and causes of "imprints of primal pain" are spoken and written about in the mainstream media (and then typically merely indirectly or implicitly so). These reports typically make use of the relatively abstract/insulated notion of "PTSD", and they are typically restricted to covering symptoms arisen in war damaged former soldiers in surviving victims of incest/rape or other violent crimes. That is, only the tip of this particular "iceberg" (a primal pain producing and containing one) is gained any kind of insight into. By the way, "engrams" (is the loosely equivalent euphemistic term in use as part of the parlance of the nutty but financially shrewdly organized sect known as The Church of Scientology); "Pain" {or "primal pain"} was part of Arthur Janov's and his followers jargon - this term was too blunt for my taste); "{psychological} Trauma" is most widely used tacky Freudian term. I have re-coined the same notion (did so primarily to achieve a personal sense of philosophical satisfaction) to be represented with rather aptly allusive acronym "CURSES". CURSES (same spelling in singular) is the shortest possible ÆPT acronym for something along the lines of Conditioned-in kept Unconscious Reverberating State/s Effecting Symptoms. A CURSES comprises an automatically synaptically sequestered (i.e. blocked) chronically increased specific neural source of excitatory molecular messages destined to drive a distress type response. This specific blocking or gating of excitatory synaptic signal transmission is part of all the ways in which we automatically pay and temporarily focus *actention* to/on something rather than something else, but, even so, the excitatory (long term potentiated) neural core of a CURSES does subsequently tend to become symptom-generating (as a result of just a few different known way through which neural connections can become established). A CURSES is the aftermath of for any reason ended up under threat of "SH" imploring type - i.e. all CURSES (such primarily insidious states) are automatically conditioned-in within brains [or inside neural "actention {selection serving} systems"] as a result of some for any reason ended up under and not directly died from 'specific/synaptic Hibernation' (SH) imploring threat. The closest Primal Theory came to supply a substitute for the tacky Freudian word "trauma", or a term that match the meaning of "SHI-type threats," was (AFAIK) "primal scenes".
@publicaccount1589
5 жыл бұрын
The reality of Primal therapy is different for most people than what is being described. When she says after two years of therapy you're able to just go to a room on your own when you're triggered, feel what you need to feel and it's over does not translate into reality for most. The theory of Primal is truly amazing but the idea that pain is a pool and primal is simply pulling the plug and the pain drains out and you're free is just not an accurate description of how the therapy will play out for most. You also have to factor in the amount of pain someone is in when they enter primal therapy and the amount of trauma a person has experienced in childhood. France's description of the therapy is somewhat fairy tail-ish (child-like?). The concepts are sound (and truly amazing - Art was a genius no doubt) but the results are not necessarily as described.
@lawrencedavis5459
5 жыл бұрын
The missing component is the body. The body needs to tremor to help release the neurotic charge as in trauma release exercises which is much gentler and easier than primal therapy
@antoniosciara7322
2 жыл бұрын
Well said. I like Robert Firestone's description in his book "The Fantasy Bond".
@athecheat
6 жыл бұрын
❤
@pavlaki1
2 жыл бұрын
The interview with Theresa Sheppard Alexander was more succint and less repetetive.
@RichardKingDoesOne
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear I'm improving!
@ironfistarrival
4 жыл бұрын
One more thing I never heard about is the Circumcision practiced either on the very young babes or when it’s done at a later age like 5 to 7 years old , why this huge trauma in never discussed by Dr.Janov in his books ???
@clayandputtyvideos1647
4 жыл бұрын
As far as I remember he did mention this in his books.
@antoniosciara7322
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. What could be more painful and torturous than that? With no anesthetic. I'm also surprised it is not discussed. It is probably the most brutal thing any male can go through in their entire life, as a young infant with no defenses and highly sensitive everything. Unbelievable really. It HAS to affect us.
@buildingutopia7617
3 ай бұрын
@@clayandputtyvideos1647 Yes, he did. I read most of them.
@guillermoarevalo5066
Жыл бұрын
is a pity she didn´t put the legacy program for free. Nobody is gonna spend 1000's of dolars for a course tha didn,t give you any authority in the therapy
@marinanabutovskiy0325
8 ай бұрын
He did say Dr France Janov. Not sure why Dr. Janov had to correct. So arrogant.
@buildingutopia7617
3 ай бұрын
Really? Quite a character smear over something so petty. Maybe she didn't hear him properly.
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