There is no way Joseph could have guessed on so many things and got them right! He truly was inspired!
@johnrowley310
4 ай бұрын
When he destroyed that printing press he guessed wrong.
@recsporteducation4594
4 ай бұрын
@@johnrowley310 Actually, it was largely believed that had they not destroyed the press, there would have been blood in the streets of Nauvoo. The decision was made by the Nauvoo city council, not Joseph. Joseph, who was installed as mayor by the city council following the dismissal of the previous guy for immorality, was operating under the direction of the city council. The deed was carried out by the local Marshal who formed an independent posse. Joseph was ultimately help responsible. But that was a ploy by his enemies such as Thomas Sharp of Warsaw. Action against the press was deemed lawful, and three other 19th century examples exist as precedence. Thomas Sharp only had beef with the saints because he lost an election and realized he would never win an election so long as Mormons were around.
@gxgx1190
4 ай бұрын
Tell me then, who were the nephites and lamanites? You do understand that the Book of Mormon as a text itself is anachronistic of its time period. No culture in the Americas during that time period wrote a detailed history of events down, let alone etch them into golden plates. The inhabitants were an oral people. Also not to mention the seemingly countless anachronisms in the text itself, steel, cattle, horses, elephants etc. Please analyze the book with a critical eye, although it could be argued it has positive messages throughout (excluding the racial parts), that alone does not make it true.
@brianspackman6368
4 ай бұрын
@@gxgx1190 You assume to know everything about the alleged anachronisms. The absence of evidence to explain the anachronisms is not proof that those things did not exist during the time frame of the BofM. Given that we don’t know where in the Americas the Nephites and Lamanites lived, it is impossible to state with any degree of certainty that those things did not exist anywhere in the Americas. People who say that the BofM is just fiction usually have not done their homework adequately to make such an assertion.
@gxgx1190
4 ай бұрын
@@brianspackman6368 Oh boy. Where do I even begin. Strange how you don’t know where the book of Mormon took places when the population numbered the hundreds of thousands and even millions. Joseph smith and other prophets used to teach that native Americans they encountered were Lamanites. Spencer W. Kimball stated that Native Americans were descendants of Middle Eastern settlers, aka, the Lamanites. Thats a problem because native Americans don’t have Middle Eastern DNA. As soon as this was revealed the church reworded the intro to the BOM. It used to say the Lamanites were the “principal”ancestors of the native Americans. It now says the Lamanites are “among” the ancestors of native Americans. On top of that, no literary societies even existed in pre Colombian America. No Egyptian or Hebrew writing had ever been discovered either. Don’t forget the burden of proof is on you, not the critic. If your answer is “we just haven’t found the evidence yet” that’s a cop out and beyond insufficient of an answer.
@jssmi765
4 ай бұрын
There is a more important reason for them not cooking their meat. It turns out that when you don't have fruit or other sources of vitamin C, not cooking your meat prevents you from getting scurvy.
@rodneyjamesmcguire
4 ай бұрын
Source ?
@KnuttyEntertainment
4 ай бұрын
It was something we discovered by studying Inuits. The natural vitamin C content of raw meat mostly gets destroyed when it’s cooked.
@Nathan_Flamm
4 ай бұрын
Not true. Individuals adhering to the carnivore diet eat exclusively cooked meat, without sources of vitamin c, and never contract scurvy. The truth is we don’t really know what causes scurvy, but I think the best explanation is that vitamin c is needed for processing complex carbohydrates, which would explain why carnivores can eat meat exclusively without experiencing scurvy.
@rodneyjamesmcguire
4 ай бұрын
I rebutted this assertion on a posting over at The Stick of Joseph channel.
@toddbender3463
4 ай бұрын
Cooking meat can degrade viability of vitamin C as it's a temperature sensitive vitamin. As city life in those days was likely less sanitary than you'd probably be comfortable with today, it would not surprise me if they tended to fully cook meat especially the Jews given Jewish tradition surrounding blood and the consuming of it. Some extremists actually boiled their raw meat before cooking to try and get out any blood lodged in the meat. It's very likely that them eating raw meat was both a trial of faith to trust the Lord and to prevent scurvy. Prolonged cooking of meat seriously degrades the viability of vitamin C. I don't know of any people that do a carnivore diet that eat their meat exclusively very well done.
@madogg152
4 ай бұрын
Awesome Channel. Thanks so much for your time and effort.
@edcariello
4 ай бұрын
Amazing content. I just ordered the book on Amazon. Can't wait to get it !!!
@saldomino1639
4 ай бұрын
Wow great 👍 evidence thanks for sharing!
@samuelmoon3051
4 ай бұрын
Awesome video brother! Thank you for your hard work!!!
@DancingQueenie
4 ай бұрын
The Jaredites really happened too. They floated in football shaped wooden submarines with their flocks - with enough food and water for all of them, not knowing how long the trip would take and also hives of bees - with air holes to open when the sea was smooth enough. No way to throw out waste. The boats rolled around which would make the contents crash from wall to wall. And it took a YEAR. Gimme a break.
@Heniochus-l2p
4 ай бұрын
And the Moses led hundreds of thousands of Israelites in the desert for 40 years…. And Jesus fed 5000 people with a few loaves of bread and some small fish…. The list could go on.
@RyanWhetten
4 ай бұрын
How do you explain the brass plates containing Deutero-Isaiah verses that were not written until after Lehi left Jerusalem?
@Apostolinen
4 ай бұрын
How do you explain the Book of Mormon? It's much better and far more important question.
@brianspackman6368
4 ай бұрын
The theory that the Deutero-Isaiah verses were not written until after Lehi left Jerusalem is just that - a theory. The fact that the Isaiah variants in the BofM are supported by Isaiah texts that were unavailable to Joseph Smith is very compelling evidence that Joseph produced the BofM from an ancient version of Isaiah. So whatever was included from Isaiah was written before Lehi left Jerusalem.
@gxgx1190
4 ай бұрын
@@brianspackman6368 do you know what else is a theory? Gravity. Also, germ theory. These mental games that you play in your head have to be exhausting. It is a theory, but one that isnt argued by almost no non-Mormon scholars. It is the widely accepted scholarly Bible view. Challenge your beliefs, be open to the fact that what you’ve been taught your whole life might not be true. It’s healthy.
@rconger24
4 ай бұрын
@@gxgx1190 LOL "Mental Games" LOL "healthy" If this is so silly to you, why do you even come here?
@gxgx1190
4 ай бұрын
@@rconger24 would you not agree that challenging one’s beliefs is healthy? Or is it better to believe the same thing throughout your whole life, regardless of what that belief is?
@CelestialComrades
4 ай бұрын
@Edwin Patterson Can you do a video on May 1st about the difference between God's grace and our works, and how we are saved in the Latter Day theology? Latter Day Watch posted a video asking every LDS content creator to do this on May 1st this year, it is a giant rebuttal to the claim that we believe in a works based salvation.
@blusheep2
4 ай бұрын
The question I have for Mormons, is "what is salvation" in Mormon theology. What is one being saved from, and what is the result. I the Bible being saved is being saved from the curse of death through the blood of Christ and His resurrection. It is the story of immortality lost in Genesis 3 to immortality gained in Revelation 22. In Mormon theology, we are all eternal intelligences, so we already have eternal life and the father can do nothing to prevent that. So, I've always been confused on what salvation even means to a Mormon because it can't be what Christians mean by it.
@CelestialComrades
4 ай бұрын
@@blusheep2 We are saved from spiritual death, which is the separation from God in Genesis 3, salvation is given to all men though the Atonement, but exaltation, being able to live with God again, is only gained through living the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. Salvation is a free gift through the Atonement, and Exaltation is an earned reward for living God's laws and commandments
@blusheep2
4 ай бұрын
@@CelestialComrades I'm not trying to be contentious CelestialComrades. These questions are truly from a curious point of view but I still don't understand and I want to. So are you saying that we were separated from the father in Genesis and that through the atonement we can have a restored relationship with the father? If so, how is that "salvation?" That is restoration, isn't it? So, I'm still confused what you are being saved "from." I didn't expect to get into exaltation but what you said also raises some questions. =Everything I have read defines "exaltation" as becoming gods, or at least moving up the ladder in that direction. Could you send somewhere that describes exaltation in this way? I want to know if this is your personal definition or if this is how the church teaches it. =Some Mormon prophets have said that upon being exalted and becoming a god that we will have our own planet and own spirit children. It is one of the reasons for temple marriages because in Mormon theology, as I understand it, a celestial marriage is necessary to produce spirit children. If this is the case, then it doesn't seem like its about living with God again, at all, but rather going and being able to do our own thing.
@beestoe993
4 ай бұрын
Just remember, the most important thing is to recognize Jesus and the word of God. All the rest is meaningless without that. Shalom.
@brentfuller6075
4 ай бұрын
This is interesting, thank you.
@madogg152
Ай бұрын
No Way Joseph Knew about Quatrains, Chaismas, and writing styles. All discovered 150 years later. Revelation only alternative.
@ericredd5590
2 ай бұрын
The only artifact relating to the BOM is the seer stone at church headquarters.
@ericredd5590
2 ай бұрын
Thay did not find the spot. They identified a location that matches a description in the BOM.
@bartonbagnes4605
4 ай бұрын
If there were ship builders there, they were probably telling Laman and Lemuel that their brother was doing it wrong, because he wasn't doing it their way. No would be no wonder Laman and Lemuel were criticizing Nephi.
@edpatterson5078
4 ай бұрын
This is edwin. I did say town and am incorrect. It was a place. Thanks for the clarity!
@kingimatthews4481
2 ай бұрын
I guess before we get to The Book Of Mormon we are finding out ways the Animals got back to their Countries of Origin once it landed in Turkey. How Big Foot survived the Journey. who rung the uber cab to take the animals, these are destressing questions.
@ericredd5590
2 ай бұрын
You may have had a chance if no maps existed for JS to glance at while making up his BOM fiction.
@ethansunday1489
4 ай бұрын
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@buckrogers1408
Ай бұрын
If the Jaredites would of had the Book of Mormon, they would have lasted a lot longer than the Nephites.
@MattShu123
4 ай бұрын
Joseph needed practice to perfect polygamy (it was messy according to apologists) but the jaredites & Nephi got their boats perfect the first time. Make it make sense. (It doesn’t)
@krismurphy7711
4 ай бұрын
There is no town/city called "Nahom." And the inscription is "NHM" which has a lot of permutations....POSSIBLE spellings.
@rconger24
4 ай бұрын
There doesn't need to be a town there to be a place name. But there was a more populated area called Nahom. It's all completely plausible..
@paulblack1799
4 ай бұрын
Kris...city, no. But the B of M never says that. PLACE that was called Nahom. Indeed, the tribal land of Nahom was and is there, the word in ancient Arabic denoting stone cutting (nehem). Plenty of stone, stone cutters and monuments in the area That's what the locals were known for. Oh... graveyards, too. Ancient Hebrew permutation most likely, Nahom meaning sorrow, sighing. Ishmael had just died, remember? Oh, those Hebrews loved their plays on words. Thank you for your faithful contribution. I'm sure you are gratified to know you are so ably promoting the restored gospel of our Lord and Savior. ❤
@krismurphy7711
4 ай бұрын
@@paulblack1799 He said that these people drove to a city called Nahom. I was pointing out that was false.
@krismurphy7711
4 ай бұрын
@@paulblack1799 Do you hear yourself? “Most likely”. Obviously the issue is unresolved
@paulblack1799
4 ай бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 I thought Ed said town, but maybe not. More people there now, maybe it looks more populated. Anyway, I'm sure you're not the kind of guy to take advantage of one because of his words...or lie in wait to decieve for that matter. ❤ Good to see you spending your sabbath in spiritual, faith promoting pursuits.
@JaneHallstrom1
4 ай бұрын
I have that book! I love that book!
@MattShu123
4 ай бұрын
Lemme guess NHM? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@krismurphy7711
4 ай бұрын
Let's use some real world logic. Edwin is sharp...smart. I'm a good listener/learner. Would it not be logical that IF Edwin is correct about "81 evidences" that The Book of Mormon" is true, that The LDS Church Leadership would long ago have made THAT Claim...and repeated it, going over details...over and over and over in General Conference, Church Magazines, Videos??? SO WHY HAS THAT NOT HAPPENED?????????
@logantronsen
4 ай бұрын
The Church's goal is not debating the book of mormon. Their goal is to guide us to exaltation and to help build up God's kingdom on both sides of the veil. But, then again, wouldn't that be easier if more people were convinced of the book of mormon? I'm not sure why they don't care to focus on evidence, but I do know that it all comes back to faith and trusting in the will of the Lord. The Church isn't perfect, but to think that you know how to run it better than God is quite foolish.
@TheOfficialCVShow
4 ай бұрын
It's the same reason the Church speaks very little about the 11 witnesses to the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated. The kind of testimony that really matters does not come by way of tangible proof which does not stir men's souls. It comes by way of the Holy Ghost. Evidences can help one who doubts but real conviction will come only by revelation. Then, if evidences follow, they simply affirm what we already know more powerfully in the first place.
@leftistLizard92
4 ай бұрын
As a faithful member of the church, I find apologetics interesting and fun but not fundamental to my faith. I go to KZitem to have fun watching videos like this but I go to church and general conference to build my testimony of the gospel that I know in my heart to be true. The church's job is not to convince it's members that the church is true based on evidence or logic or reason. It is to strengthen testimonies in Christ, to draw people closer to him, to share the gospel, and provide guidance in these latter days. I mean, the church serves other purposes but those come to mind as most important. Like I said, apologetics are fun for me but not necessarily important when it comes to gaining a testimony of Christ.
@krismurphy7711
4 ай бұрын
@@leftistLizard92 It’s all about Joseph Smith’s and The Church’s Truth and Authority claims. If there is evidence that there is contrary facts that challenge those claims…it is VERY important.
@FromAgonyToLight
4 ай бұрын
Evidence doesn’t need to be stated over and over again to be true. It can always be doubted. Evidence directly from God by the power of the Holy Ghost is what truly matters. This is repeated over and over and over.
@timothyfowers
4 ай бұрын
Why do you want to prove the book of Mormon? That seems like it makes faith pointless
@brianspackman6368
4 ай бұрын
Faith is the substance of things hoped for; the EVIDENCE of things not seen (according to the apostle Paul). No matter how much evidence ( or “proof “)you may have, faith in Christ is still a matter of choice to believe.
@JIKOKALOL
4 ай бұрын
The BOM is true. It's an adventure novel. Not as great as the Chronicles of Narnia though.
@blusheep2
4 ай бұрын
I finished reading the BoM this past January. I found it to be an incredibly boring book. The beginning was interesting but once they got to the New World, it was just the same repetitious story over and over and over and over and over again. I was hoping for something interesting again at the coming of Christ but that was a let down. He comes, talks to a few people for a few days and then leaves. What happens after that? The same repetitious story, over and over and over again, until they fight to the last man.
@gxgx1190
4 ай бұрын
Imagine calling someone who analyzes a text critically as “anti.” You’re not a victim, get over it.
@samhunt9380
4 ай бұрын
Now tell us the overwhelming number of things in there that aren't true.......
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