Procrastinators? ..."I sense a daemon invasion imminent on Vardegard 6!" Meh, I'll deal with it tomorrow..."
@knightsolaire3781
7 жыл бұрын
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
@chompette_
7 жыл бұрын
So GW doesn't do a grey knights chaplain model, expects you to convert them, it also doesn't do a grand master in a dreadknight, expects you to convert them. Gives rules for both. All reasonable, only, there are no rules for Khan on a bike because they don't sell a model for it...
@newtpondskipper
7 жыл бұрын
Right! But this is all part of the return of the Wardian Heresy. Note the return of Draigo to preeminence.
@andrewbakescakes9684
7 жыл бұрын
I thought a Khan was just the White Scar word for Captain, and you can take a captain on a bike. Or, are you talking about Kor'sarro? Then I agree, it's a shame - but... does he use a bike a lot in the Lore? I don't know about that stuff so well, but I thought Kor'sarro has spent his time recently as a sort of "hit man", going out and hunting down the enemies of the White Scars (the ones that have beaten them in battle). Maybe he does so on foot?
@newtpondskipper
7 жыл бұрын
They usually portray him one bike, however GW only ever made a foot version of him. Sadly everyone I know who used him put him on said bike...
@andrewbakescakes9684
7 жыл бұрын
Makes sense, since the usual theme of a White Scar force is "lots of bikes". I wouldn't disparage completely yet. They might release a model for him on bike later on down the line (with the rules in the box, and downloadable in pdf too perhaps).
@newtpondskipper
7 жыл бұрын
That and GW has said if the unit isn't in the new book use the Index. That allows us to use Khan on a bike.
@nothadley9893
7 жыл бұрын
11:47 says Brotherhood Champions are no longer in the new codex - 9:27 Brotherhood Champion is in fact STILL IN the new codex.
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
lol
@creaturestudy6459
7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad he's still in, he's one of my favorite HQ's
@SANCTIOND
7 жыл бұрын
WHAT THE F*CK, WE LOST THE 'AEGIS'!? That was the entire point of the hexagramic wards, the thrice blessed armor, the anti-psychic protection, it is mentioned in every bit of lore. Dammit, GW. I'd delete the entire Draigo entry just for the AEGIS.
@SkonkBot
7 жыл бұрын
The Forgeworld FAQ/Errata specifically states that Grey Knights can't use any of the Forgeworld units btw. So no Grey Knight Mortis Dreadnoughts.
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
Does it? Bum.
@sophiearcher6153
7 жыл бұрын
can still use the dreads from the Index though and still sue the Rifleman set up. Dont need the Forgeworld mortis.
@brettdriver3674
7 жыл бұрын
SkonkBot This is a shame because the thought of a fire raptor using psybolt ammunition was making me hard.
@14thFeather
7 жыл бұрын
That Chaplain is the Collector's Edition, and the Librarian is the Blood Angels one. Nice tidbit for those wondering.
@windstormscr8948
7 жыл бұрын
Just a note, Grey Knights cannot use the mortis dread entry from Index I:AA because they are restricted to just the grey knights section (explicitly by FAQ)
@windstormscr8948
7 жыл бұрын
because I'm probably going to attract haters (and I'd rather winters not have to dig to provide a correction) FW Index I:AA v1.1 FAQ section: Q: Are there any restrictions on which Chapter I can choose when replacing the Faction keyword on datasheets within this book? A: Yes. You cannot choose for any of these units to be from the Legion of the Damned or Grey Knights Chapters. They can be from any other Chapter though, including Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves and Deathwatch
@CaptMytre
7 жыл бұрын
You can still use the rules in the Index, which has the rifle dread variant.
@windstormscr8948
7 жыл бұрын
and lose the extra smite stuff. This is the unfortunate consequence of GW not supporting variations they don't sell (very very ironic considering the number of converted models in this codex!!!)
@marcellogenovese199
7 жыл бұрын
No you cannot use the index for the dreadnought. GW said use the index for model that don't exist, NOT FOR WARGEAR. The specifically said if a unit has an updated datacard to use it. The dreadnoughts got updated data cards, there is no legal option for rifle dreads in grey knights currently.
@thundercat2000ca
7 жыл бұрын
No they said for rifle dreads you can use the index datasheet.
@FM-ge3nf
7 жыл бұрын
FAQ specifically stated that you are allowed to not only use whole models missing from the codex, but weapon loadouts as well. So you can use a rifle dread from the index but it wont include the extra psychic power or any other new changes, it will be exactly as it is in the index.
@SkonkBot
7 жыл бұрын
16:30 You don't need everything in the army to be Grey Knights; its per Detachment. So as long as a Detachment has nothing but Grey Knights in it, the units in that Detachment get the rules. Your army could have other non-grey knight detachments in it and they wouldn't prevent the grey knight detachments from getting their rules.
@Watheverable
7 жыл бұрын
More flyers for Grey Knight? Now i'm really excited for Dark Angels! We could use a flying transport!
@ShahbazBokhari
7 жыл бұрын
I firmly believe winters doesn't want any of us to sleep. :o
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
It was a long night, for sure
@JimCArt
7 жыл бұрын
You're the real MVP mate! Cheers for posting!
@otinane89
7 жыл бұрын
Nice, thanks for the video! GKs look like they got the power back, and still play how they should! All in all they are a hard army to play, mistakes can't be easily made and not cost the battle. Lets hope we at least get a new model for the brotherhood champ, because he has none...
@bradsnyder9084
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Winters...thanks for your preview...big fan of your channel! Unfortunately GK are not allowed to pick units from the nilla SM parts of FW Index....Just from their section.....
@elmirBDS
7 жыл бұрын
So... Was that 46 points for a terminator I saw there? I don't get why they would charge more for a unit that is already overcosted (especially after they reduced the Space marine termies).
@knightsolaire3781
7 жыл бұрын
Good eye lol, thanks for the spot! Maybe synergy with sanct+heed prognosticars+them being troops would be my guess on the justification.
@Iradium228
7 жыл бұрын
I'm happy that Grand Master Dread Knights exist because I play GK, but holy shit GW had no mercy when it came to relics they can use. LIBER DEAMONICA OR BUST BOYYS
@martin2008k
7 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! Really enjoyed the review and I'd love to see you come up with creative combinations for stratagems and psychic powers, a.k.a an somewhat cheesy alpha strike list with a bunch of psychic powers and rerolls for charge range etc.
@RavenWarrior90
7 жыл бұрын
That were some very beautiful conversions shown there. I wonder how to make them myself. :-/ Which exact model is that chaplain dude based of?
@Yoo2481
7 жыл бұрын
Also have to wonder if they changed librarians. In the index they can have storm shields for a 3++ and a warden staff for a 2++ in melee. With sanctuary a grey knight librarian with storm shield and warden staff could have a 1++ in melee???
@pepperoneyman14
7 жыл бұрын
It seems they have in this book. I zoomed in real hard on his quick glance of the librarian and it seem they no longer have it as an option and I didnt notice it in the armoury...
@azrael1263
7 жыл бұрын
The Knights of Titan rule states your army needs to be battle forged and all GK troops in the detachment get the benefits.
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
In a single detachment yes. You could run another detachment in a battle forged army without GK in it, such as Guard or SM
@Spacefrisian
7 жыл бұрын
Every model GW used to make in the index? I didnt spot Asdrubeal Vect or Kruellagh the Vile in Xenos 1 and i didnt see Marbo, or Commisar Gaunt in Imperium 2 sadly enough.
@IDICBeer
7 жыл бұрын
Nice look Winters
@ssd2579
7 жыл бұрын
There's a brotherhood champion in that codex. You literally place your hand on it. It's right under the Chaplain entry :P
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
Doh!
@ssd2579
7 жыл бұрын
:P Happens, but I did notice the profile has an update. Hitting on 2s all round, I think (without checking) that he did hit on 3s before (I play GK and BT, but never used a BH-champ before, only Crowe - poor Crowe - and that was it)
@barry7963
6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else find it irritating that you potentially need 4 books to run an army of grey knight depending on what units you want to take? (codex, imperial armour, Index imperium and chapter approved)
@Pyriel2
7 жыл бұрын
NDK army = utter fail. Why? They cant assault models placed on levels higher then the round. The only thing the opponent needs to do is placing his units on upper stores in say, ruins and he is untouchable. Shooting is not an option for GK due to crap ranged weapon rules and INSANE point costs for them.
@Yoo2481
7 жыл бұрын
There is a small mistake you made on 16:30. Battle forged armies only require you to have the same faction within a detachment so you could apply the new grey knight rules in one detachment and play ultramarines in a second detachment and use the new warlord traits from the new space marine codex. Battle forged armies in matched play only need 1 common keyword which in this case would be imperium. So, only 1 detachment has to be completely made out of grey knights not the entire army.
@sethhagen9240
7 жыл бұрын
Haha I tried to pause it and catch it, but are Psycannons still 4 shots? It's a bit weird if Psycannons are still more expensive then Psilencers and worse/same in every situation.
@cornflakeboy36
7 жыл бұрын
Yo, you can add other imperials to your army and still have the bonus's to your grey knights under "The Hammer of Daemons". They just cannot be in the same detachment. Nice review though.
@kylebrown2345
7 жыл бұрын
great review!! dammit they are scary dudes!
@Kruku88
7 жыл бұрын
I'm getting confused with those books... I wan't to play Death Guard - what should i buy? Chaso Index? Chaos Space Marines book? Wait for another one specific for Death Guard?
@sergeantsombrero552
7 жыл бұрын
Wait, death guard should be the next book out.
@Mrkalo981
7 жыл бұрын
The Index will allow you to play Death Guard immediately (it has rules for them) but they are getting a full Codex with expanded rules and units soon!
@chandlermorris1
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Grey Knights can have apothecaries now. Didn't in 7th. I was hoping that they would allow the heavy psycannon to be deployed by dreadnoughts like they use to. Way back in like 3rd or 4th when they were attached to daemonhunter inquisitors. Is it in the Imperium Index though? So far, I'm liking what I am seeing. Love the Chaplain and flyer additions. Very cool.
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
+Chandler Morris. The Dread is in the index, yes
@LuvWatches
7 жыл бұрын
I paused this and read over your shoulder... You can still get "Brotherhood of Psykers" and "Knights of Titan" in a multi-faction Imperium list. They just need to be in their own detachment, not army.
@williamfernandez3786
6 жыл бұрын
You mentioned vortex of doom damaging a rhino and everything within 3 inches of it. Does it damage the units inside the rhino as well? Great videos btw. Thanks in advance.
@Krazykal
7 жыл бұрын
Gonna have to try that now once I pick up the codex an army of nothing but Dreadknights mwahahahaha brings me back to the days of 6 or more Riptides. By the Emperor that was cheese.
@lemsdarkapprentice2535
4 жыл бұрын
what about castellan crowe? [el'sda2]
@Fireclaws10
7 жыл бұрын
Can interceptors still shoot and charge after a shunt or a Gateway?
@mikewilkinson1162
7 жыл бұрын
Yes
@sockMonster241
7 жыл бұрын
How many wounds before models can be targeted specifically? Can we shoot at the GM DK?
@CarrionBiker
7 жыл бұрын
characters have to have 10 or more wounds to be targeted regardless of distance, so yes, you can shoot the GMDK even if other units are closer
@sockMonster241
7 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm.... dangerous.
@YouAreAsleep
7 жыл бұрын
SCOTT STERLING! THE MAN! THE MYTH THE LEGEND!
@storminmormn6283
7 жыл бұрын
James Wilcox this dude reminds me of him lol
@RangerGeek71
7 жыл бұрын
Looks like I be buting more flyers for my Grey Knights.
@Orik1990
7 жыл бұрын
Purifiers aren't unchaned, they lose their second attack
@bellportbattlebunker4682
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@narnia54
7 жыл бұрын
may have been said.... but we still do have brotherhood champions. their entry is under the chaplains one, you kinda just breezed over it
@martinskevik9733
7 жыл бұрын
Just wondering can grey knights take primaris marines?
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
No
@newtpondskipper
7 жыл бұрын
I think they can take them. Grey Knights are pretty tough after all. Now if it was all the regular marines and the Primaris marines I think it would be a tougher fight. ;)
@watcherzero5256
7 жыл бұрын
Like the Custodes they were supposed to already be tougher than Primaris so taking Primaris would weaken them.
@barry7963
6 жыл бұрын
This is a really good question because can't you run them the same way you would run rifle dreadnoughts? By using the index and replacing the chapter keyword?
@benzelrhomb
7 жыл бұрын
Damn Winters... im supposed to be moving house not watching this haha
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
+Minty B. Good luck with the move
@benzelrhomb
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. Just finishing up the prayers and last minute rites to the Omnissiah ;p
@jaysonguerin8036
7 жыл бұрын
Can you take termy chap?
@Allan_Lugia
7 жыл бұрын
So do they cast normal smite now?
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
No. 12" range and one damage, unless against daemons
@storminmormn6283
7 жыл бұрын
Which is best gameplay wise? 8th or 7th edition?
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
+Storminmormn6. They both have their strengths. There was more mobility in 7th, but 8th is better over all
@kristincarey2749
7 жыл бұрын
Can the named characters e.g. Draigo take any relic?
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
No
@kaldordraigo4020
7 жыл бұрын
winters SEO I sure as he'll can I can take anything I fucking want if you disagree then fight me I bet you will loose just a hunch
@olehinn3168
7 жыл бұрын
15:39 Smykers gonna smyke! ;D
@IroncladIrony
7 жыл бұрын
does castelan croe still suck?
@mikewilkinson1162
7 жыл бұрын
He's better now he has a Warlord trait that gives him +1 to wound - so heaps of attacks wounding on 2's/3's on the charge. Perfect for killing hordes as a one man army.
@storminmormn6283
7 жыл бұрын
Can GK take primaris marines?
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
+Storminmormn6. No
@rylok
7 жыл бұрын
I could listen to you read a 40k audiobook..
@BH-dg6uy
7 жыл бұрын
I may sound a bit thick but are these the same as the indexes
@jamessharkey6802
7 жыл бұрын
Hagman Harris They're quite similar. They only have the rules for 1 army, but they contain lots more lore, new units and army-wide rules
@lordalpharius5928
7 жыл бұрын
I see GK abusing ITC format play
@phoenixfire9176
7 жыл бұрын
Wtf did they cut out Garran Crowe?
@snarf4058
7 жыл бұрын
6:18 nope! still has a blunt stick as a weapon though!
@phoenixfire9176
7 жыл бұрын
Chris Hughes oh thank god.
@d0nutwaffle
7 жыл бұрын
"Heed the procrastinators"?? Lmao, maybe if it would cost -1CP.
@katiehunter7313
7 жыл бұрын
I love you.
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
I love you too
@dragnidragnev5409
7 жыл бұрын
Оооооh, that's dirty...
@Tyrathect1
7 жыл бұрын
Next time, just show us what's on the pages and don't talk.
@wintersSEO
7 жыл бұрын
+Tyrathect1. That would be a breach of GW copyright and KZitem terms and conditions my friend. Some people might be willing to do that. Good luck to them.
@SkonkBot
7 жыл бұрын
Chaos book?
@intense_pickle
7 жыл бұрын
Well, it took a little while but the cheese is back in a BIG way...2++ saves is OP in any edition. If this is a vision of things to come i fear the future of 8th ed.
@GeneralAdvance
7 жыл бұрын
So far both Space Marines and Chaos Marines can completely ignore invulnerable saves with a psychic power so it's not uncounterable
@WilliamKuby
7 жыл бұрын
well thoght have ALL in one book why do need this if buy ALL 6 ALL in one books ?? what a pain in BLEEP
@newtpondskipper
7 жыл бұрын
Just being salty, good Lord I hate having a return to hero hammer.
@Pyriel2
7 жыл бұрын
So still ridiculously overpriced ranged shooty weapons for what they do and ranged NDK weapons are basically never to be taken due to insane point costs. And a price increase on now obsec GKTs that were already crap due to their insane point cost and aforementioned worthless ranged options. Aaaand librarians still useless due to the 1-rule. The single reason to ever take a gkl is the hood. Lame.
@SparseS17
7 жыл бұрын
Tomas F I suspect you don't win many games thing that GK shooting does nothing.
@Pyriel2
7 жыл бұрын
Well, suspect again. Fun that you choose to evade each and every point made and instead use some lame learn2play shaming.
@knightsolaire3781
7 жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm kinda new to the hobby, but are you sure it's that bad? Besides slapping your big shooting options on your flyers and landraiders, wouldn't the NDK range weapons synergize well with the psychic onslaught stratagem and Astral aim power? I figure if you have that on a GM in a NDK you can, barring having moved, hit on 2's, reroll one's, wound t4 on 2's for cannon and 3's for psilencer, deny cover, and shred their armor save by two or one respectively while doing an avg of two damage per failed save. Once again, I am, all things considered, pretty new to the game, but when I thought of this I couldn't (and still can't) wait to use the combo against my friend's hellblaster squad he always hides away in cover with Calgar to shoot at my pallies with. Since each failed save equates to a dead hellblaster (assuming I get the avg dmg of my psilencer (which I know falls apart as rolling 3 dmg is effectively the same as rolling 2 dmg)), I feel like that would be pretty ok. I know I won't always see hellblasters, but I think this would also have a significant effect on say shooting at toughness 7 models (for the psycannon) or terminators (especially enemy GK terminators xD) or even your run of the mill t4 iron halo characters, as the rend will only ever be just enough to take them to their 4+ invul and the 2 wounds per fail + the ability to deepstrike into the right area to punish poor positioning could do a lot to bring the battle in your favor. As for Termies, and Librarians, I don't have enough experience to really have a respectable opinion. I do feel that Voldus or just giving your GM the extra spell Warlord trait do blowout the need for taking a librarian though, because, as you said, rule of 1.
@Pyriel2
7 жыл бұрын
To get better shooting will cost you command points, to get astral aim benefits you really need to construct your army around that by taking vehicles (landraiders) big enough that can get the short ranged fire squad forward and then screen them. That or depend on pure terrain luck in an edition where your entire squad will be wiped out if the enemy just sees one toe from one of their models. This doesnt work in "real" games, just in fun fluff games and even then its most about cover luck. GK infantry AT shooting is non existent, I´d rather take a squad of lootas then an over the top priced unit with those pathetic things they call psycannons, a weapon so insanely expensive for what little it does that even ork AT fire laugh at it. Their terminators were pretty much a death sentence (look up frontline batreps for example) for those taking them with a consensus that they were overpriced and now they cost even more albeit for gaining obsec. Ask yourself what the reason is that everyone is taking paladins and not terminators. That single extra wound actually makes them last more then 1 turn of fire. The GK army needs to be in melee, their shooting sucks above stormbolter level in a game drowning with rend and multi wound shooting so in the army with the most expensive units you are basically relegated to taking vehicles, naked melee dreadknights (shooty option point cost is retarded to the point of disbelief) and as cheap stormbolter platforms as possible (PAGKs) with your only terminator unit worth taking being paladins. On top of it all comes the chaos codex where inv save negating psychic powers will be spammed by everyone. Librarians are still gimped due to the 1-rule so what remains is an army that cannot take shooty AT infantry weapons due to inefficiency and insane cost and must rely on flank alpha strike, a stupid opponent and luck. If your GKs face 1-2 plasma forgefiends supported by chaff bubblewrap for example or any other plasma vehicle/mc you might as well pack up since the retards-in-playtesting didnt give you any sane counter to that (no, depleting your already extremely outnumbered squads by taking expensive AT in the form of fliers or fragile razorbacks is not sane). That along with the high unit costs leads to an extremely limited build selection if you build an all-comer competitive army. Plainly speaking this is shitty game design.
@narnia54
7 жыл бұрын
What do you mean lame shooting? We have the best shooting weapon in the game on every single infantry model.. the mighty stormbolter!!!! All serious though. I Know what you mean when you say overpriced shooting, but at the same time it's not really. The only thing I would say is overpriced are incinerators.. considering they used to be 5pts on terminators.. they're now 20, it's a bit of a kick in the nackers but manageable. And NDK should always have at least one ranged weapon because they're are only good against large things and characters in combat (which is what they' where made for). And they aren't expensive NDK, considering they're more or less cost the same as they did in 7th (out of my two that I use it's only gone up by 30pts between them) and considering they have the potential to be thrice more durable as they used to be, that's worth it. Librarians- yeah I kinda have to agree with you. With the rule of one they are useless, might as well just always take voldus, at least that way you gain the extra power.
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