When I was ten my grandfather made a crossbow for me in his basement workshop using half of a steel hoop for a barrel that had not been heated and bent and he used the other half as the stirrup and the stock of an old shotgun as the body. It was a thing of beauty. I promptly put a bolt through the red metal flag on the mailbox and was about to nail the tin rooster weather vane on top of the barn when my mother, my grandmother, my aunt and the housekeeper flew out like outraged bats and confiscated my bow. Never learned how the thing worked and this video was great! Thanks, on Christmas Day.
@simdar42
5 жыл бұрын
Tod please write your own book on crossbows. Payne-Gallwey's book needs to be superseded with new research and modern thinking like yours.
@Murtage33e
5 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop in many ways, these videos could serve as a valuable reference. I'd love to see some more technical videos concerning the specifications and manufacture of each Bow. Although, I realize that as a tradesman, you might be wary of sharing all your secrets. I'm sure some would pay a pretty penny for such a series!
@Lukos0036
5 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop You can collaborate with others, present what you know, have a independent writer put it all together in a coherent fashion. I'm sure if you put the idea out there to your peers they would be interested.
@Tananjoh
5 жыл бұрын
"Mess of crossbows" Is that the collective noun for crossbows? Like a flock of birds, a school of fish and a mess of crossbows. :)
@liammorris9372
5 жыл бұрын
I thought it would have been a murder of crossbows, like how you have a murder of crows :P
@operator8014
5 жыл бұрын
A murder of crows, a mess of crossbows.
@RawkL0bster
5 жыл бұрын
@@operator8014 Are two crows considered attempted murder?
@operator8014
5 жыл бұрын
@@RawkL0bster No, but one crow who's bros all bailed on party night sure is.
@Desklamp1234
5 жыл бұрын
A murder of crossbows sound better. Like a murder of crows.
@Treblaine
5 жыл бұрын
"It's basically the bible of crossbow making... but don't take it as gospel" you have to stop and appreciate the english language sometimes that saying such a thing makes perfect sense.
@pedrogouveia4326
4 жыл бұрын
@Sunbro Adresse no it doesnt
@weesnaorc1203
4 жыл бұрын
Its like a bible without Christ.
@VespertilioGiganticus
4 жыл бұрын
@Sunbro Adresse no it doesn't
@isakjohansson112
4 жыл бұрын
"Det är i stort sett armborst-tillverkningens bibel... men ta den inte för gospel" Swedish Oh, and one more thing. "Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you're right.". =D Such a funny quote! XD
@FeelingBlue...
4 жыл бұрын
"É basicamente a bíblia das bestas, mas não à encare como o evangelho." Portuguese. Exactly the same thing as well.
@thecaveofthedead
5 жыл бұрын
Time for you to write the new crossbow bible.
@ironpirate8
5 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop I would buy that book.
@dmanx500
5 жыл бұрын
@@ironpirate8 so would I.
@isaactanner5041
5 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop As would I
@ciarfah
5 жыл бұрын
I would, if only to support his work. But I'd definitely end up making something
@morgandahlberg9212
5 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop I don't know if you're still listening to this reply chain, but I also would by that book - in a bloody heartbeat, too.
@duncancameron6342
5 жыл бұрын
Concerning the goat's foot lever, personally I think it would be more useful to describe the mechanical advantage at it's peak, rather than the average. Earlier in the draw, obviously, it sacrifices mechanical advantage that it doesn't need (yet) for quicker distance, but I think the last few inches are more representative of the system as a whole than a base mean. Great video though, wonderful content showcasing wonderful pieces.
@carldavies4776
5 жыл бұрын
Although it doesn't have the greatest mechanical advantage the goats foot lever seems to be the fastest and most intuitive to use.. I'm assuming a longer handle would result in a greater mechanical advantage??
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
"I'm assuming a longer handle would result in a greater mechanical advantage??" You're right. It would.
@kievanrus9434
4 жыл бұрын
If you do mechanic work, you might be familiar with a 'cheater bar'. AKA putting a big pipe over your breaker bar or other tool. I had a crankshaft bolt one time where I had to put a spanner wrench on the crank and dig a 6 inch diameter steel pipe into the ground to hold it against the force of me using a 6 foot pipe over the breaker bar. I bench press around 360 pounds and box... I barely broke it free with almost 7 feet of leverage. With a long enough goats foot you could theoretically cock almost any sized crossbow, it's just a matter of practicality that limits it. If you watch his range of arc and the movements required it would be tough to make use of large amounts additional length for a person of standard size.
@Tallus_ap_Mordren
4 жыл бұрын
You would, but there is maximum length of lever that would be practical, depending on the user's arm length. If the end of the lever is longer than the user can reach comfortably, any additional length is wasted, and just adds weight and awkwardness.
@Bill.Papadakis
4 жыл бұрын
also,i dont know the exact word,but the material strength of the goats foot is a factor,unless you want a really thicc one wich would get in the way of the cocking maybe
@Kanner111
3 жыл бұрын
The most I think about this the better a question it gets to be, and what the most practical answer for 'speed spanning' the highest possible crossbow draw weight, using simple medieval components, might actually be? (Also if memory serves Tod has also demonstrated at some point a bow with a built in lever that was not especially impressive for draw weight but wow could you recock it quickly.)
@maximthemagnificent
5 жыл бұрын
I find the maximum ratio of the goat's foot much more relevant than the average. Thanks for including an estimate of it.
@Elrog3
4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the minimum ratio be the more relevant thing?
@antaresmc4407
Жыл бұрын
@@Elrog3 the minimum doesnt really matter because the bow is really weak at low tension, and it can even be pulled back a few cm by hand. The whole point of the goat's foot is to make it easy when the bow is strong while not slowing you down needlessly when it's weak...
@JamesRPatrick
4 жыл бұрын
I was first introduced to the lamb's foot mechanism on your channel and it amazed me. It would be cool if you could attach a scale to the lever and record the draw weight through the entire draw.
@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive
5 жыл бұрын
I always draw crossbows with a pencil 😏😅 Amazing video and a book worth considering!!
@JustGrowingUp84
5 жыл бұрын
Nice one, lol
@ekbergiw
5 жыл бұрын
I knew somebody would say it 😂
@bashkillszombies
4 жыл бұрын
OOOOSNAP
@SuperAWaC
5 жыл бұрын
could you build a two ton cranequin crossbow?
@gabrielfraser2109
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent for hunting Police Helicopters.
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to be near that kind of thing if the limbs ever snap.
@darthplagueis13
5 жыл бұрын
@@seneca983 Well... You wouldn't want to be near an early gunpowder weapon if something goes wrong, either....
@budahbaba7856
5 жыл бұрын
How large a crossbow would you end up with? Would you need to mount it to shoot it? That sounds like one big beast! I wonder what size of ammunition you would need for it? I wonder how much that prod would weigh? I recall, in Sir Ralph-Payne Gallwey's book, (pg 150), he quotes Alonzo Martinez Del Espinar, 1644, who made a generalized statement that the prod should weigh no more than the tiller. "It should be seen therefore that the stock is of the same weight as the steel bow." How accurate a statement that really was, or how closely it was ever followed, i have no idea :)
@mrcaboosevg6089
5 жыл бұрын
You'd have to use aluminium or something for the body, i wouldn't trust wood for that
@verdatum
5 жыл бұрын
historical minded blacksmith here...I've never cared about weaponsmithing, or remotely about making a crossbow, until I came across your channel. Great work!
@greggs1067
5 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting 3-4 years for you to make a video like this one. Thanks for getting around to it! You have inspired all of my interest in crossbows, and the interesting variety of spanning techniques always fascinates me.
@TheAir2142
5 жыл бұрын
At first I never believed how a crossbow could pierce plate armor but now that I see that a crossbow can have 2000 lbs of force behind it it starts to make sense.
@Specter_1125
5 жыл бұрын
As the guy above me said, they really can’t pierce plate much. They might make a hole, but the guy wearing it would be fine. The reason for this is because crossbows have an extremely short power stroke. Thats the distance the bow is accelerating the bolt. A long bow can produce a similar amount of damage as a cross bow because it has a power stroke 2-3 times longer.
@RexOedipus.
Жыл бұрын
@@Specter_1125it also needs to move 2.5 kilos of metal + the string. So there's some force loss there
@emceha
5 жыл бұрын
3:50 and 5:00 That is super weird, wouldn't it make more sense to keep the stirrup on the ground and use the power of your legs and back to draw with the belt, using movement similar to deadlift or squat? Also, you could hide behind pavise because you crouched, instead of standing on one leg and then straightening, showing upper parts of the body above the pavise. This way, in three-person squad loading guy and pavise holder would be hidden at all times, only shooter would show up for a moment.
@Hoebie
5 жыл бұрын
Great work again! Yesterday i looked at ur video of the "Arrows against Armour" - it was the very first video of ur channel i was looking at. Now i saw this one and think it would be very interesting to see an "Bolts against Armour". Crossbows have much higher power so i think they would do much more damage to an armour :)
@cravenjooooooooooooo
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. It would be very interesting to see a maximum range comparison of these different crossbows.
@rattazustra7607
5 жыл бұрын
The range of a crossbow does not change significantly along with the draw weight, once you have gone beyond models that can be drawn with two fingers. After that, it is almost the same through the entire spectrum, with only very slight increase. However, the weight of the bolts goes up, both necessary weight in order for the bolts not to break, as much as possible maximum weight, which dramatically increases the energy that is delivered upon impact.Check out WARBOWS by Mike Loads for more on crossbow range and use: amzn.to/2VgGWD3
@mdstmouse7
5 жыл бұрын
@@rattazustra7607 does he go into depth on crossbows?
@cravenjooooooooooooo
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@rattazustra7607
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, he does. The book covers longbows, composite bows, crossbows and asymmetrical bows quite extensively.
@NoctuaStrigiformes
5 жыл бұрын
The goat’s foot is a cam, such as is used on modern compound bows and crossbows. The draw weight changes (lightens) over the course of the draw.
@joshb5742
5 жыл бұрын
Love the new intro mate
@Entiox
5 жыл бұрын
Tod, I love the bollocks dagger and eating knife sets I got from you a couple weeks ago. I've received several compliments on them at recent events. Hopefully I can save up enough to get one of your crossbows soon.
@GrasshopperKelly
5 жыл бұрын
I don't want to sound harsh with this criticism. I don't even mean it as such, only as a suggestion for improvement. (because I've been looking at your channel for about 2 hours or less, and yet still love it XD) Measuring multiple rotations, and a longer distance, would improve the exact maths. But I know these specifically aren't intended as exact science measurements.
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about the same thing.
@onchristieroad
5 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they build the stirrup for two feet outwards from the centre? Almost like a T shape. That way you would be central, balanced and it would be far easier to draw. Is there some reason I'm not considering?
@mikestatham4433
4 жыл бұрын
There were large 'siege' crossbows made with iron stirrups wide enough to take both feet, thus presumably giving greater stability and allowing more strength to be applied to the draw. Although I can't quote any off the top of my head, there are some contemporary depictions of these in use which I have seen. In the Islamic world flexible, leather stirrups were often used, and these could sometimes (going on the art of the era) be large enough to take both feet too, although obviously, care needs to be taken when interpreting medieval art.
@baronprocrastination1722
4 жыл бұрын
It's probably a construction, or forging issue. A T-shape would probably be a bit more difficult than a U-shape to forge, not to mention how the crossbow is constructed to begin with, as it is at its most base form a wooden rectangle, and I don't think hammering a spike down the middle would prove a decent enough structural integrity for a crossbow with a T-shaped stirrup.
@bashkillszombies
4 жыл бұрын
Standing with your feet together puts you significantly off balance. It was probably for this reason and the general discomfort of such a posture that it was avoided.
@bashkillszombies
4 жыл бұрын
@@baronprocrastination1722 Not at all. Not in the slightest. You'd just chisel a cut into it instead of bending it around. With the workmanship that goes into the decorations etc of even the lowliest of crossbows adding a chisel into the mix and probably still about the same amount of hammer blows would not stop anyone.
@CountArtha
4 жыл бұрын
Might have to do with balance. It would be a pain to shoot a crossbow with that much steel out in front - unless you added a counterweight in the back and made it even heavier, in which case it would be a pain to march with.
@davidm1563
5 жыл бұрын
Tod, have we seen you shoot a cranequin crossbow? I'd love to see a speed comparison compared to the windlass crossbow. Also I was very surprised the Cranequin had such a crazy ratio advantage, all this time I thought the Windlass was the most powerful system!
@mchernett
5 жыл бұрын
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@davidm1563
5 жыл бұрын
Type 16 thanks mate! An actual Tod video I must have missed!
@solortus
8 күн бұрын
Wow I had no idea medieval people had all these gadgets for crossbows. I was only familiar with the windlass and goat's foot. I think the spanning belt is ingenius
@tusk3260
4 ай бұрын
Glad you showed the the cranequin crossbow, but there is another even better one, its like the Cranequin or crank is how we call it here, but instead of one arm, you use your two feet on a pedal system like that of a bicycle.
@NoTimeAllTime
2 жыл бұрын
This was super informative, especially since so many people only seem to want to discuss the windlass!
@Storm.79
5 жыл бұрын
Спасибо Вам за интересные видео. Люблю Ваш канал!
@giovanni545
2 жыл бұрын
Откровение 14:12 12 [а] Здесь терпение святых: здесь соблюдающие заповеди Божии и веру в Иисуса.
@ratroddiesels1981
5 жыл бұрын
we enjoyed this informative presentation. we enjoyed the medieval musiick cheers : )
@gn2650
2 жыл бұрын
I see that goat's foot are usually operated with a single hand, and usually lever is kind of short. What if we used a bigger goat's foot, with a longer lever, and we used it both ands to leverage. Could we apply greater force this way? Could we reload more powerful crossbows this way, let's say 1000lb?
@sercan4784
2 жыл бұрын
I think you can do it combined with sitting span technique.
@TheMegatuz
5 жыл бұрын
This was interesting and educating video! Helpful for my own project! :D But I noticed there was a thing which made me ponder: what about gaffe lever, build-in lever and gastraphetes? Will you do video about their mechanical advantage in future?
@Sk0lzky
5 жыл бұрын
10.Be a strongman competitor and shoot it like a regular bow
@marcocammozzo7553
5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful and complete video, good job!
@manfredconnor3194
3 жыл бұрын
I was just watching this again. Incredible thanks so much Tod!
@carrieseymour5197
4 жыл бұрын
What if you modified the stirrup so that instead of a loop to put one foot through, it's a T-piece to put both feet on (or maybe a double loop?) Then you wouldn't be off-centre.
@jpanosky
3 жыл бұрын
Magnificently explained, and fascinating. Thank you.
@DefeatedRoyalist
4 жыл бұрын
In terms of practicality it seems the goats foot is the simplest to use and maintain. Although the Cranequin seems to have that beat (I’m assuming it’s more of a later 15th century innovation?) Is there a particular reference to where or when specific draw methods were used/created? Or were certain methods preferred based on circumstance? That’s a broad question but any help would be wonderful:) Great vid cheers!
@LuLu-ip4zb
2 жыл бұрын
I would think the spanning belt or stirrup are most practicall, yes no mechanical advantage so a lower draw weight, but easy to use, as you just wear the belt and the stirrup is attached to the crossbow.
@ethnomuse
5 жыл бұрын
I have only just discovered your channel and I am enjoying some binge watching. Thank you for creating such an educational and entertaining format.
@halltrain1162
5 ай бұрын
Although I did use the book to make the lightweight hunting crossbow. It turned out very well
@TarotVylan
4 жыл бұрын
You're doing a damn good job convincing me to get a crossbow
@runerebel8441
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I bought that book back in 2001 and I found it to be very good. Cheers from Norway :)
@KowboyUSA
5 жыл бұрын
This is my go-to medieval crossbow channel.
@user-hn4zm9js5d
4 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot . this video really help me a lot to understand the crossbow
@brotherandythesage
5 жыл бұрын
Well that was just awesome! Thanks Tod all your videos, especially the ones about crossbows, are always so educational!
@epic0wnag
5 жыл бұрын
when you do the sitting span you should lift your feet off the ground and push away with your legs, that gives the sitting span the power of the belt hook one at least.
@aaronluna4341
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve really come to like your channel. You are very knowledgable of medieval weaponry. I myself am a bowyer of 12 years, but I only replicate North American Native archery such as the Sudbury bow or the Cherokee D style bow. I would love to attempt an english yew war-bow in the future, but yew is tricky to get ahold of. I own a fiberglass crossbow and i’m always impressed on how powerful even a 150# crossbow is. Absolutely lethal. The only disadvantage in a combat situation is that you would certainly have to be behind cover to reload the bow or you would be cut down. A traditional longbow can be nocked on the go. Cheers!
@budahbaba7856
5 жыл бұрын
I learn so much about crossbows from these videos! I had been completely unaware of the doubler belt method. Neat! :)
@MrMaxBoivin
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Do you think you could pull the goat-foot lever with a luggage scale to see how much strength is required at the hardest part of the exercise? I'd like to see a big powerlifter or strongman try to span different crossbow by hand. Make a collab with Eddie Hall. Also, I'd like to see a comparison in the time it takes to load each one and other consideration that need to be taken into account (like having to sit down, having to stand up, not being able to run, being able to reload on horseback, etc).
@CaptainGrief66
5 жыл бұрын
3:45 Ladies and gentlemen, I present you what I call *_Crossbow yoga_*
@thanosp.8140
Жыл бұрын
Throughout the presentation, Jack was yelling "Hand Span the best! Hand Span the best!", so they introduced the 9th method.
@Teng376
4 жыл бұрын
Tod did you ever try to span a crossbow with a stirrup and a spanning belt doing a squat-like motion? You seem to always span it by lifting your leg like if you were walking up the stairs. Squatting can produce much more force and unless you have a back problem, that would seem like a natural way to span a crossbow with a belt.
@theoldehandgonne2503
5 жыл бұрын
Very good, thank you for sharing. Now begs the question, why not have a stirrup big enough to accommodate both feet? That would then allow one to draw as much as in the sitting position, surely.
@Specter_1125
5 жыл бұрын
It could potentially weigh down the front to much making it harder to aim
@daos3300
4 жыл бұрын
The Olde Handgonne had the exact same thought. a T shape would allow using both feet yet be very small, even smaller than the standard type.
@coolaz610
5 жыл бұрын
What I'd like to see is a comparison between the crossbows in shooting speed in relation to shooting power. So we know what gives us the most "bang for your buck", where bang is draw force and buck is reload time.
@junichiroyamashita
5 жыл бұрын
I would say the goatfoot one.
@Psiberzerker
5 жыл бұрын
Doubler Pulley: Double the weight (Of pull) is also double the distance. The pull distance on the bow doesn't change, unless you build the bow specific to the pulley. The draw-weights he listed were estimates of course, you might have a stronger or weaker back, for example, but there's also variables in the bow you can adjust, and with a longer pull, you can do without as much pull weight. (You need a longer bolt, and typically broader arms as well.)
@davidlane1248
5 жыл бұрын
Very interested in the gastraphetes mechanical advantage as well. Such a clever machine that thing is
@mchernett
5 жыл бұрын
The mechanical advantage for that is 1:1. It's a straight "push" and maximum draw weight is determined by the shooters weight!
@craigtucker1290
4 жыл бұрын
Have you though about constructing a rapid fire crossbow such as the one designed by Leonardo da Vinci?
@mikestatham4433
4 жыл бұрын
Tod, have just discovered you during my lunch break, and will be coming back to your fantastic videos again and again. I'm a miniature sculptor, and a keen military historian, so read a lot on these subjects and visit a lot of museums and armouries, but what is hard to come by are the practical insights which you can only really get by handling weapons and armour in person, coupled with historical knowledge. I've actually got that same edition of the Payne-Gallwey book in my library, his views on siege engines and composite bows are dated now, but curious where, other than depictions of weird bolt designs, you think he goes wrong on crossbows? He was something of a pioneer in actually making, and firing replica weapons (or real museum pieces in some cases!), and my feeling is that he now seems dated because he was swayed, and limited, by the academic authorities of his day, more than anything else?
@bill0127
5 жыл бұрын
You should rename it "Tod's Armoury"
@JeyyPi
4 жыл бұрын
You can use the spanning belt better, by making a squad motion: using both legs and drawing the string by getting up in a standing position.
@danielbrillat8793
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video with great information. I'm developing a realistic game system for medieval times and your videos have had all the super-niche information that I never thought I'd find anywhere! Thanks for the help!
@RrhamCowboy
9 ай бұрын
Hows that game going and what is it called or do you have a beta test version?
@mattymag2394
4 жыл бұрын
So, in a modern context, could we now lengthen the draw of a medieval style crossbow and keep the insane draw weights? As I understand that would drastically increase the bolt speed.
@johnbarron4265
3 жыл бұрын
There are three ways to increase draw length of a bow. First, make the bow limbs out of a material with higher ductility. The greater the ductility, the more the limbs can bend before being permanently deformed. However, there is a tradeoff. Materials with higher ductility have lower tensile strengths and cannot withstand the same amount of draw force as more brittle materials. Second, make the bow limbs longer. A longer bow limb will be able to displace farther at the tip. However, by increasing bow limb length, you increase the limb inertia with the cube of length. That means more elastic energy is being consumed just to accelerate the bow limbs. Third, make the bow limbs thinner. A thinner bow limb can have a smaller bend radius without yielding and can therefore be drawn a lot farther than a thicker bow limb. However, a thinner bow limb will be weaker, and therefore will not withstand the same amount of draw force. So in summary, it is not possible to increase draw length without sacrificing either draw force or propulsion efficiency.
@RexOedipus.
Жыл бұрын
@@johnbarron4265modern crossbows with carbon fibre+pulleys
@mliittsc63
Жыл бұрын
Seems to me that the Goat's Foot (or something like it) could be incorporated into the crossbow itself, making for a very quick-shooting weapon. Could also be made to do two strokes in sequence with consequent increase in draw weight.
@thomasjoyce7910
4 жыл бұрын
If you had a stirrup crossbow and you were guarding a fixed position in a castle, you could build a strong hook high into a wall and use your bodyweight to draw it down towards you.
@InSanic13
3 жыл бұрын
For situations like that, they actual had spanning benches are other such devices, which you could use for really big and powerful crossbows.
@ZarlanTheGreen
5 жыл бұрын
Well the mechanical advantage of a windlass, depends on if it has pulleys and if so how, many ...and the advantage of cranequins and screws, also depend on the gearing or thread, respectively. So those figures should really be a range, rather than one specific number. Still, fairly informative, as always. Much appreciated.
@mchernett
5 жыл бұрын
The Windlass was a 6 pulley "English Windlass", but yes, all the numbers are only valid for the specific example measured. I think Tod says that when talking about the screw jack.
@fredoriagaming4466
3 жыл бұрын
I'm used to the foot stirrup method.
@deividoliveirafaria6541
5 жыл бұрын
The goat's foot is simply awesome!
@dextrodemon
5 жыл бұрын
perhaps they stepped on the stirrup, similar to the spanning belt, just with your hands doing the belt part. seems like it'd be easier than what you do in the video.
@BewegteBilderrahmen
4 жыл бұрын
That's like trying to draw a bow while having your left arm already outstretched. You can get more power from distributing the load onto two muscle groups working in opposing directions.
@JJJ-yn2il
3 жыл бұрын
What a interesting video! I appreciate your works.
@DenisMaksymowicz
3 жыл бұрын
Oh! Got it. Goats foot and compound cams are working on the same principle. Lovely how geometry works
@Dumrikk
Жыл бұрын
I want that ballestrino!😍😍❤
@Sauspreme
5 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing
@OmarRam
4 жыл бұрын
Love the channel! Watching this video, Got me thinking! Where there kinda a better mechanism to put “energy” into the bows? Like a gears system powered by a windmill, where a soldier just put the bow into a slot and the “gear system” can span the bow. There are a lot of methods to store energy, one way could be raising a big stone on a rope with help of horses or bulls, etc. And then the other end of the rope attached to the “gear system” this way the kinetic energy will be just waiting for the soldier to place the bow into the slot, pull a lever (or even better push a lever with his foot) to transfer the kinetic energy from the stone to the bow. I imaging this system being installed on tall towers on a castle. How much kinetic energy could be store in a backpack’s size? 🤔 a system of springs pre-loaded so the soldier can carried to the battle field place it in the ground and then transfer the kinetic energy to the crossbow... I think it would be very Interesting to see if these concepts are feasible in real live scenarios.
@gdk7704
5 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video, very educational!
@adamhannath1417
5 жыл бұрын
Tod, you need to write a book documenting this
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
5 жыл бұрын
2000 pound draw weight is far superior to any longbow, even factoring in the power stroke. That'd probably be about 500+ lbs. for a longbow.
@jameslawrie3807
5 жыл бұрын
Depends on the weight and characteristics of the bolt.
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
5 жыл бұрын
@@jameslawrie3807 Yeah, that plays a part too. But if it's going to start tumbling at 500lbs. equivalent speed, then why would they design a bolt for that heavy a draw that simply tumbles?
@jameslawrie3807
5 жыл бұрын
@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin I think mass and length might be a factor. One of the bolts mentioned in later vid could transfer only a fraction of the energy of the crossbow. I'm no longbow fanboy though, it's my personal view they're pretty over-rated. They were a very good weapon that's without doubt but a lot of the hype about them is just nationalist myth-making. At Agincourt at least modern scholarship has shown that the French forces, rather than be slaughtered in a huge lump, actually only turned up in groups during the day and the story of vast waves of French knight being mown down isn't true. Back to the arrow/bolt, it would be good to see stuff on energy transfer but I haven't watched all the vids here yet so it might even be on this channel
@darthplagueis13
5 жыл бұрын
It would certainly have some good killing power, but chances are that at this point you basically have a crossbow that's too heavy to carry around and handle properly, also it would probably take pretty long to draw back.
@kievanrus9434
4 жыл бұрын
@@jameslawrie3807 I think I know the video you're talking about. There is a well known set of ballistic properties in the firearms world. Everything is a trade off. Lighter bullet travels faster than a heavy bullet given the same impulse. Energy transfer is a coefficient of mass of the projectile and velocity. Penetration and 'stopping power' arent the same thing and they aren't necessarily a result of just one factor however. With arrows and bolts there are even more factors introduced. The heavier the draw the more rigid the projectile has to be. In hunting, people commonly use rounded soft point bullets rather than Spitzer FMJ type rounds because it's actually preferable in terms of stopping power to encourage deformation and limit overpenetration. If a round zips through you, it's a less threatening wound than if one lodges in you deforming and tumbling along the way. It's somewhat different here because you don't have deformation, but a large diameter heavy quarrel with rigid fletching hitting you with less velocity as a smaller arrow will be more lethal given sufficient penetration ability. The wound cavity will be much worse. This isn't always the case with a firearm due to bullet features where they can be designed to yaw or fragment . To put it plainly, if I had the choice of being shot with Tods compound crossbow and a normal target arrow, or his heavy crossbow and a typical bolt I'd rather take the compound crossbow. Both would be lethal if it hit the right spot obviously, but the chances of the wider projectile( with the penetration seen in his video )hitting the right spot is more likely and the wound itself would be more likely to result in death. Hard penetration of something like armor would be better with the smaller higher velocity arrow from the compound crossbow, but they didnt have carbon fiber arrows or modern materials/design back then . Thus, making bigger and bigger crossbows(and thus, bolts) was the way to achieve that goal, I'd imagine.
@TheJunkernaut
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome information! I've made several pvc recurve bows and crossbows but you can really only get to about 150lbs draw out of a single bow with that material. When I switch to steel limbs I'll probably have to start using one of these various mechanical advantages :)
@jeepinjohnny2898
5 жыл бұрын
yo - tod. fine video. thanks from texas.
@streetfighteralpha9891
4 жыл бұрын
Did any crossbows have a built in goat’s foot like spanning lever? The screw jack was built in but it takes a while to reload.
@BewegteBilderrahmen
4 жыл бұрын
The goat's foot moves along an anchorpoint and is not fixed in place, so you'd need a new, probably less efficient, system. Another problem would be the unnecessary extra weight from having a big metal lever on it, as well as that being a weakness that would need to be repaired often.
@Tyrhor
5 жыл бұрын
I have seen a few images (mostly 19th century) of a goats foot facing from the stirup towards the string and rather pushing the string with the moving part, rather than pulling. Have you ever seen that mechanism in real archeological pieces/illuminations, or do you think that is a wrong interpretation?
@mchernett
5 жыл бұрын
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@gn2650
2 жыл бұрын
What about spanning a crossbow without stirrup like doing a deadlift? You would be using arms and legs but no need to sit down.
@edi9892
5 жыл бұрын
You once wrote that medieval crossbows need that long triggers or you wouldn´t be able to overcome the initial resistance. Why then can modern crossbows just rely on tiny pistol triggers? What do they make different?
@partytor11
5 жыл бұрын
Not a firearms expert but I've talked to a guy who designs homemade pellet airguns from museum replicas. If I understood it correctly it's because the trigger attaches to a lever (whereas on the medieval crossbows it's the lever itself which is the trigger). The guy I talked to made a pistol that was very hard to fire and he said it was because the flintlock replica he had used was not able to fit a long enough lever (attached to the pistol trigger)
@ShellShock794
5 жыл бұрын
The trigger and the actual firing mechanism are two separate things. The trigger is essentially just the middle-man that moves the firing mechanism. With medieval crossbows, the trigger is also the firing mechanism.
@stastses5701
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your work!
@nickolasray4871
5 жыл бұрын
It seems there is a strong correlation between how long a crossbow type takes to reload and how much power it has once loaded. More time; more power: I wonder what was preferred in what scenarios for crossbow-wielding warriors choosing between fire rate and penetration/impact?
@erikengheim1106
3 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that they had to opt for ever higher penetration because amor was getting so much better. Higher fire rate was rather pointless if you couldn't get through the amor of your opponent. Then again I have seen tests which seem to suggest you cannot get through plate armor with a crossbow bolt anyway. So honestly I would have loved to see more tests and discussions around these choices myself. The crossbows kept getting stronger and slower, and there must have been a reason for it.
@angelinamartinez3210
5 жыл бұрын
the goat's foot reminds me of the Cobra r9 sytem, but i dont know how they do, the mechanism is integrated to the crossbow
@operator8014
5 жыл бұрын
I would think that the largest advantage of the stirup is keeping the arms clean/dry and not getting them scuffed up and cut with the gunk on the bottom of a person's footware.
@gn2650
2 жыл бұрын
Also, what are your thoughts on bamboo traditional crossbows? Do you think bamboo makes a better material for crossbows than wood?
@InSanic13
2 жыл бұрын
MIke Loades wrote a little about them in his book "War Bows", and essentially says that they were used due to their low cost, and tended to be relatively weak.
@Intranetusa
5 жыл бұрын
The typical Han Dynasty crossbow was a 387 lb crossbow with a 19-20 inch powerstroke. This type of infantry crossbow and heavier infantry crossbows were drawn by the leg muscles while the person laid on their back. To make up for the slow reloading, they used rotating volley fire/counter march fire formations. Furthermore, modern research have found that using the feet to draw crossbows (with long stocks) allows a [average good conditioned?] person to pull up to 441lbs in drawweight while in an upright standing position. -page 10, Iolo's First book of Crossbows, 2nd Edition More sources: "The Han introduced the concept of massed crossbow attack by line of crossbows, and even mounted crossbowmen. Range would be about 280 meters. Just how powerful a crossbow could be, is glimpsed in the excavated Chu-yen slips from which records of crossbow maintenance was kept....typical Han era crossbow of 6 stone [~387lbs]" -History & Uniforms 9 ENG By Bruno Mugnai books.google.com/books?id=-N4cDQAAQBAJ&pg=PP8&dq=6+stone+crossbow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU4K6Wv93gAhUSn-AKHeJmBlsQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=6%20stone%20crossbow&f=false "It took around 20 inches to draw a Chinese crossbow string from its resting position to hook it behind the trigger catch. By contrast, on a European crossbow the powerstroke was typically only 4-5 inches. In part this longer power-stroke was made possible by the design of the Chinese lock, allowing it to locate at the tail-end of the tiller. The long horizontal lever on European crossbows necessitated placing the string-catch much further forward." p. 9-10 The Crossbow -Mike Loades
@Intranetusa
5 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop Thanks for your response. Yes, I agree that much of it is conjecture, especially about European powerstrokes. There were supposed to be earlier European crossbows with much longer powerstrokes compared to the later crossbows. As for the drawweights for ancient Chinese crossbows, I believe the information Mike Loades got was mostly comes from the [unfortunately limited] number of sources translated into English. For example, Mike Loades' book on crossbows cites Stephen Selby's book when he talks about the heavy draw weights and using hands and feet method when drawing very high crossbows. Stephen Shelby on p. 172 of "Chinese archery" talks about elite crack troops drawing 12 stone (360kg) crossbows, and Ralph D. Sawyer in "Ancient Chinese Warfare" talks about chariot warriors having the strength to draw 8 dan/stone crossbows. I believe both books draw their information from translated Warring States era records. The information regarding the standard 6-dan (387 lb) Han Dynasty era crossbow comes from various translated sources such as p. 203 of "Weapons in ancient China" by Yang Hong, who in turn got it from excavated records of the Han Dynasty era (Chu yen slips). However, until someone actually recreates these crossbows, then we really don't know for certain how they worked. References from Shelby and Ralph D. Sawyer: books.google.com/books?id=wY3sAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA172&dq=360%20kg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3i7W9t93gAhUJm-AKHc4uDeoQ6AEINjAC#v=onepage&q=360%20kg%20&f=false books.google.com/books?id=8FxOGXfsQwQC&pg=PT336&lpg=PT336&dq=picul&source=bl&ots=u_agJyCRGW&sig=ACfU3U1WqCcrXAOEDeCxQniGMI-d10x3uw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy3v7avt3gAhVmZN8KHRHMA7sQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=rule%20for%20selecting%20chariot%20warriors%20is%20to%20pick%20men%20under%20forty%20years%20of%20age%2C%20seven%20feet%20five%20inches%20or%20talle&f=false
@dazeen9591
11 ай бұрын
Problem with a Cranquin is the aiming. You can't see jack when that big block is sitting on top of it.
@TheStephanieAnnFoster
3 жыл бұрын
May I please share this video with my British Literature students? (In reference to Lady Macbeth's "Screw your courage to the sticking point...")
@cryptic979
5 жыл бұрын
Well done 👍 always informative
@mace8873
4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and your approach to the various subjects, keep up the good work.:-)
@robbieatvic
5 жыл бұрын
Ok, so if I'm working with yew then the double belt is my best choice for a heavy wooden bow. Thanks Tod 👍
@krystianzagorski8505
5 жыл бұрын
I subbed your channel some time ago. No regreats.
@DanielKay06
3 жыл бұрын
Good overview, thanks :D
@setiawansetiawan5103
4 жыл бұрын
Tod's Workshop vs JoergSprave would a battle of the ages worthy of saga and song
@jasonbarkin3778
2 жыл бұрын
Goat's foot lever seems fairly handy. 🤔, think a wooden crossbow that allowed you to use the lever multiple times be cool ? . Work the lever , place a peg in , work the lever, place a peg . Then remove the pegs of course , .. working the string back to 12 or 18 inches got to be better output.
@gn2650
2 жыл бұрын
What method is the quickest?
@troyna77
4 жыл бұрын
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@davidliu7125
5 жыл бұрын
It surprised me that no one talked about that M&B music at the end...
@danyoutube7491
5 жыл бұрын
I've never heard that in Mount&Blade, could it be from a mod?
@davidliu7125
5 жыл бұрын
Dan KZitem yeah maybe. Can’t tell which however. I’ve tried too many mods.
@angelosantos1755
4 жыл бұрын
guy congratulations you really have a lot of wisdom with medieval weapons what a pity that i am not in a condition to buy here in brazil things are difficult our currency is low but i will make some savings for purchase
@ryddragyn
5 жыл бұрын
Anybody ever tried a "double stirrup" in conjunction with a short stock? That way you could basically do a deadlift movement while standing. Which would make for at least 300-400 for the average athletic individual, possibly much more due to a reduced range of motion compared to an actual deadlift.
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