Looks like most basic motions for amateur filmmakers are included: Slider Dolly Pan Crane. Can it do rotating jib establishing shots? Looks like it could if the pan arm moves while crane up and down motion?
@extrashot
5 жыл бұрын
Yes it can... panning while craning up or down does work although some shots with wide lenses might show the weights as they go past by! I wondered if it might be possible to use smaller diameter weights or even have a weights holder that moved them off to the left or right. Of course, you can also tilt the whole arm at any angle between slider and crane - so diagonal crane moves are possible without panning. (I only showed 45 degrees, but other angles are possible)
@alexandruciochia8513
7 жыл бұрын
Hey, Paul, Hey Steve. Great job in reviewing the C-Pan Arm. Your video made me buy it... And now I am stucked with this nice piece of equipment that I try to use for already one month with no success :( If you would agree to take a sugestion from a victim of your ”charm”, then, when reviewing a piece of gear that will not work by itself, you could, if not in video, at least in the description, disclose what else have you used to make it work. As an example, can you confirm that the tripod you are using is a Manfrotto 161Mk2B? As the tripod should support the c-pan arm (5.5Kg) weight + camera (Max 5Kg) + counterweights (for a DSLR you used all the provided disks so... 6Kg, though for a 5 Kg camera we should use probably 10 - 12 or more???). So, the tripod should be able to hold over 20 Kg of weight (44 pounds). If you do the math, the tripod should sustain at least 27 pounds (that is the weight of the c-pan arm + the provided counterweights), PLUS the camera weight. So the selection of the tripod is crucial, if you want to use your camera with the c-pan arm and to be safe. An other aspect that is very frustrating is that the c-pan arm, when you do the vertical movement, is hitting the tripod legs. So, it is possible to go high, but when you want to get a lower position, the tripod legs are in the way and the c-pan arm is bouncing on them. I experienced that with a Vinten video tripod and with the Kessler K-pod legs. What I discovered is that having a video tripod with a half ball mount is accentuating this issue. The problem is dimminished when using the Kessler K-pod legs. But still remains. The Kessler K-pod legs are perfect in terms of heavy dutyness. Instead, this tripod is enginered for jibs and cranes, so it's minimum height is 37” (94 cm) - when you are not using the wheel casters and the hercules head 2.0 that are bringing the tripod to over 55” (1.4 meters). So. Kessler is good but is pretty unuseful for lower positions of the camera. What I would like to know is if the Manfrotto tripod you have used allows vertical movement up and down without hitting the tripod legs. Does the central column help to avoid the issue? Then, it would of been very useful for people like me, that are using video cameras and not DSLR, to show us how such a camera is fitted and how much counterweights one should buy for, a heavyer camera. (Even we can agree that 9.solution should Publish this information on their website and include it in the documentation, as well as provide the option to buy supplementary counterweights for the gear you are using with the c-pan arm). Sorry if my mesage was too long (and too not in plain english :)) and thank you for the patience of reading it and for the charming presentation of the c-pan arm you provided us :)
@extrashot
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Alexandru, Thank you for the feedback. Really sorry to hear you haven't been having any success with the C-Pan Arm. I'm pretty sure the tripod we were using with the arm was indeed the Manfrotto 161Mk2B. I notice that all the publicity photos from .9 Solutions also demonstrate the arm on a similar looking tripod (Studio Assets - as sold in the states) This also has a stated maximum payload of 20Kg which was fine with the GH4 and six weights as demonstrated. However, I definitely think you need a tripod that has a central (wind-up) post to give you the height to clear the legs. Using this set-up and playing with all the modes, we didn't hit the legs of the Manfrotto tripod at all. Maybe the problem comes with physically larger cameras or weights? Not sure I'd have the confidence to use this arm on a half ball mount as this weight could easily make it slip. I do hope you find a tripod solution that works well soon. When the arm is stable it's a super smooth action and does a good job of replacing many sliders. Cheers, Paul
@alexandruciochia8513
7 жыл бұрын
extrashot Hi Paul, Thank you for your fast and suportive reaction. Concerning the use of larger camcorders. I use a JVC Gy-HM650 camcorder. This camera fits well on the C-Pan Arm and does not touch any part of the system or the legs of the tripod. The part of the C-pan arm bouncing on the tripod leg is the box on the same side to the paralax set up knob. Another thing I would recomend for those who want to buy the c-pan arm is a heavy duty quick release plate system. I'm using Kessler's Kwik Release receiver (for the video head Hercules 2.0 and for the C-Pan Arm Camera Plate) / mini plate (for the camera) and utility plate (mounted on the C-Pan Arm - attached to the tripod mounting system). So the mounting and dismounting of the c-pan arm on the tripod and of the camera on the c-pan arm to be under 30 seconds. Without the quick release plates i found the mounting, dismounting and leveling of the c-pan arm system very painful and time consuming - not fitted for a run and gun small effective video team. I would also want to ask you if you have any sugestion for a bag for the c-pan arm - as carrying out the dumbbels, the dumbbells arm and the c-pan arm can be pretty tricky without something to hold all the pieces together.
@elliotlowndes5219
Жыл бұрын
So... what is the widest focal length you can use before you see the counterweight?
@DEVUNK88
6 жыл бұрын
i doesnt have batteries, cords or apps completely manual mechanical operation which is great, although you miss out on super slow slides and pans for timelapse style. also the new edelkrone motion system can do complex movements which are repeatable 1000 times, but its expensive, complicated, requires power and other devices, and I've heard is a bit buggy, that being said, this device for me would be great in my soon to be studio for food and cooking demonstrations, a test kitchen for a cooking show, to get multiple pans and overhead slides and such, and the mini c pan arm is a great lighter smaller solution for out in the field and is much less expensive, I think all the pan and jib movement in one unit is friggin awesome
@extrashot
6 жыл бұрын
True... often useful to have kit that doesn't always require power or apps or upgrading every time you turn it on! Good point.
@akfilms3574
3 жыл бұрын
Thank u I can’t find the place to order this and mini one
@extrashot
3 жыл бұрын
We tested this one at Top-Teks in the UK but I've just found this on the web site... 9.solutions/company-introduction/global-distribution/
@dyerhaus
4 жыл бұрын
Hi gentleman! Great video, it's incredibly useful. I know this video is a few years old now, but I was recently fortunate enough to acquire the 9.Solutions C-Pan arm (complete with case!) for about a third of the retail price. It's pretty obvious that my Sachtler ACE tripod isn't quite heavy duty enough for this, I feel like it's going to snap at any moment. Is there a particular tripod you'd recommend for this? I'm using a Blackmagic Production 4K camera, and my normal setup with lens weighs around 10 lbs. on its own (then you have to account for the weight of the C-Pan arm). I noticed in the comments that you believe you were using a Manfrotto 161Mk2B in this video. Is that good enough, or might there be something better now? Thank you so much!
@extrashot
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Christopher, Yes you're right, the demo arm we tried was on the Manfrotto 161Mk2B which is about right for the load required. I think 9.Solutions were initially selling this tripod re-badged to go with this arm. There's no head on it... just bolt the arm through the centre bolt onto the tripod. The C-Pan arm does need a heavy duty tripod to work safely... definitely more than a Sachtler ACE. Take care.
@visualsbysanga5523
4 жыл бұрын
High Chris, I have the Manfrotto tripod you describe and it is heavy and can easily hold this .....if your still looking you can purchase mine
@dyerhaus
4 жыл бұрын
@@visualsbysanga5523 - thank you for the offer, but I did already purchase it. I kind of found the "deal of a lifetime" on one. Much appreciated!
@bend2847
5 жыл бұрын
Clever. I guess the only move not possible is a standard slide over something, like an object on a table, unless the table could fit between camera and weight arm. Maybe some weights could be mounted below the arm, on some kind of extension, which would give a bit more wide lens clearance. I've found some 'heft' is useful for any camera support, even for lighter cameras, and I wonder about the all the moving parts and the possibility of bounce. But handled carefully, lots of interesting camera movements possible. Now, whether or not they're appropriate for the shot...!
@extrashot
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, I think this would be a good solution for flying over objects simply by mounting the camera at 90 degrees downwards with the tripod at one end of the table. Once the weights are behind the camera, you have the distance from the tripod to the full extent of the arm (ie. half the maximum length). However, I'm guessing you could also put the tripod along side the table and track sideways with the camera pointing downwards. Problem once again, is that at half way through the track you'll get the arm of the camera weights travelling across your shot! All the time I was playing with this... I was wishing there was another way of hanging the counterbalance weights, either with one arm that bent a little, or even two smaller arms with heavier loads so they could be shorter? I think I found this arm both fascinating and frustrating in equal measure ... I do like it, but I'd probably have done quite a few mods by now !!! Cheers, Paul
@__SKYNET__
5 жыл бұрын
I’m also kind of worried about the weights showing up as I am shooting Anamorphic and I have bought this but just very concerned at this point
@extrashot
5 жыл бұрын
@@__SKYNET__ I wonder if more weight on a shorter arm would help? Obviously, the weight of camera and focal length of lens also make a huge difference.
@__SKYNET__
5 жыл бұрын
I will be getting mine shortly, and will have to try to out, will post results
@__SKYNET__
5 жыл бұрын
Also if you did the crane up and down If you face the camera directly center like in a ‘T’ perpendicular to the weights, the weight will not show up in the crane shot, I am guess this is possible
@adsertheblade
4 жыл бұрын
Fab video, guys. I don't understand how this thing works...are there some gears hidden inside that little black box where you adjust the width?
@extrashot
4 жыл бұрын
Yes... it's called the gearbox and you can also attach extra dampening or a motor to the underside of that black box. It's only connected to the two arms on the same pivot point... so I can only think that it keeps those two arms moving equally... ie. the two halves of the total arm are always extended at exactly the same angle. I've not explained that very well... but without the gearbox you could end up with only half the arm extending before hitting the end stops?
@adsertheblade
3 жыл бұрын
Seems a bit wobbly at the end of the video. Obviously there is the rubber stopper bit, but it seemed like when it came to a complete stop it bounced around for a bit. How much of a problem is bounce? Thanks
@extrashot
3 жыл бұрын
It's a problem if you go right to the end of the reach (to the bump stop) which is what I think you're observing. With an average weight of mirrorless or DSLR camera, I don't think it would be a visible issue in normal use, although it does get worse as the weight increases. Like a lot of this sort of kit, you do need to use it with a soft touch. At the end of this video Steve was slapping it with his hand and I wasn't helping either !!!
@adsertheblade
3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Mine just got delivered. Wow, it needs a sturdy tripod...I'm having to use a heavy duty speaker stand until I can get something more substantial. I noticed that you guys mentioned motors and dampeners, are those things that were ever made, or not so much? Soft touch is definitely the magic word
@extrashot
3 жыл бұрын
@@adsertheblade I do remember they originally told us that there were motors coming for the C-Pan arm, but I never saw them or know if any did eventually appear. I'll get in touch and try to find out what happened. The right tripod makes a huge difference to the stability... but I still think the C-Pan arm can provide the sort of moves that a track or jib arm can't do alone!
@adsertheblade
3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot I found a beast Tripod on amazon that takes 40kg. There's even a video of a guy hanging off it while fully extended. I think that should do the trick. When the stand sways fron side to side, it affects the smootheness. I hope to get a lot of mileage from this tool, and especially like that it never goes off axis like a jib does, as it gets closer to the subject when it's horizontal. You can do perfect push ins, which I love. It does need more weight, but I wonder how much it will take before that arm gets damaged... Those sigma 24-70mm are heavy...
@extrashot
3 жыл бұрын
@@adsertheblade Should be fine with the weight, even with the Sigma! In many ways it gets smoother when you've got a little more mass to it!
@DeanHarringtonimages
7 жыл бұрын
Nice review ... certainly would like to see how the C-Pan Arm deals with aa heavier camera?
@extrashot
7 жыл бұрын
Yes... the problem isn't with the weight of the camera, it's how to get enough weight on the other end without seeing it !!!
@DeanHarringtonimages
7 жыл бұрын
That weight bar could have a downward bend to get it out of the way of the camera. It seems to me that this is a very good bit of kit and just a bit of reinforcement this could work very well for quite a bit of shoots.
@extrashot
7 жыл бұрын
True, a downward bend would also help it clear the tripod when it's being used in crane mode. I don't know if it needs all the weight near the centre when lifting up and down?
@Megoodfilmguy
7 жыл бұрын
Neat device! Paul pocketed the pin... did he take it with him?
@extrashot
7 жыл бұрын
Ahhh... wondered what that was!
@sheldonnorton9035
6 жыл бұрын
Are all arcs perfectly circular? No oblong arcs? Thanks for your time.
@extrashot
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Sheldon, I know what you mean... although I don't have an arm here to test exactly, so from memory.... the arcs are very good but I don't think they are perfectly circular. It's difficult to explain but everything looks good for about 80% of the possible travel. However, at the extreme ends of the movement the camera does pan faster than in the middle. So in short... it's not a perfectly circular arc but it's not an oblong either... more of an oval. Hope that makes sense, remember, this is all from my memory of a year ago so you probably need to test for yourself if it's critical to the shots !!!
@minarimon3106
6 жыл бұрын
Can I use it to do both dolly and panning movements at the same time ??
@extrashot
3 жыл бұрын
Yes... sorry, I missed your question for 2 years - my bad !!!
@NaqeebNoori
4 жыл бұрын
Hi I cant seem to find this anywhere online!
@extrashot
4 жыл бұрын
What country are you in? They do list global distributers on their web site here: 9.solutions/company-introduction/global-distribution/
@NaqeebNoori
4 жыл бұрын
extrashot I live in Canada and I couldn’t find it even on their own website!
@lipc70
5 жыл бұрын
Does camera shake in the final of movement? With angular lens dumbell cross in the shot?
@extrashot
5 жыл бұрын
The camera only bounces if you hit the rubber end-stop at the extended limit... that was my fault for pushing too far. Generally, I found this larger model of C-pan is very smooth compared to a manual slider. Whether the weights come into shot largely depends on the width (focal length) of your shot, how big your weights are and if the shot requires passing over the pivot point (mid point) of the arm. I was thinking about if it was possible to use weights on 'bent' arms that moved them slightly down or out of the way? I haven't seen anyone mod it... but would love to know if someone has ???
@lipc70
5 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Thanks for the reply! I think another solution could be to add an extension to the camera support; because users will definitely want the total range of movement in dolly, pan and tilt and use angular lenses for panoramic shots, especially in jib mode.
@extrashot
5 жыл бұрын
@@lipc70 Good idea... maybe if the camera was lifted a little higher from the baseplate?
@shinastocks7869
6 жыл бұрын
Can we mount this device on a normal tripode ?
@extrashot
6 жыл бұрын
In theory yes... you need a tripod with a 3/8″-16 or 1/4″-20 threaded mount. In practice, I'd be very careful to make sure you use something heavy duty to support the arm. I think the tripod we used for this review was the 'Studio Assets Deluxe Heavy-Duty Tripod' and that seems to be the one commonly supplied by 9.Solutions with this arm. It worked very well and I'd seriously look at getting this one or something similar... there's a lot of angular momentum going on! Only annoying issue with this, or any, tripod was the weights hitting a leg when you were using it vertically. It obviously helps to position the legs correctly !!!
@shinastocks7869
6 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot I ve Manfrotto MK055XPRO3-3W TRIPOD . is this one ok ?
@extrashot
6 жыл бұрын
No, I doubt that is heavy duty enough for the weight.... it might work with the C-Pan Mini arm?
@JWS1968
2 жыл бұрын
These things are great engineering but totally impractical for most people they're aimed at. Bigger companies have a bigger better solution that requires a team of trained people to operate. This is aimed at smaller companies and individuals that will use it maybe once or twice and then it's a dust gatherer.
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