I've been building swifties with dead man's plate with any of my tank supports because I feel like I cant catch up with anyone
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
I can see that, especially if you know how to make the most of mobility!
@Saintspit
Күн бұрын
IMO movility is the strongest stat of the game
@Saintspit
Күн бұрын
Excellent video, Cupcake. From my point of view, the problem with runes for most people is that there are many systems that automate this process, and many people don't use their brains when building themselves. They look at what the store or rune creator recommends and go with the generic options, instead of taking a moment to read, analyze, and solve the situation that presents itself in the draft and then during the game. Because at the end of the day, the choice of runes and builds works the same as selecting boots. Whether you go for Ionian, Swiftness, Tabis, or Mercury, you have to quickly ask yourself why you are choosing this or that. Now, yes, there are useless items like Trailblazer or the quest item that gives a shield and that has more to do with the meta than anything else. I hope you upload a video about drafting someday. I think it would be super interesting to know how you approach it before each game.
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
Yep a lot people definitely don't put any thought into it and click recommended. And they probably won't be found here either. Thanks for watching :)
@Saintspit
Күн бұрын
@@CoachCupcake thank you cupcake for the good content
@breado_
2 күн бұрын
Trailblazer = Negative aura now
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
A perfect summation thank you
@neochrzeo8561
Күн бұрын
Knight's vow prints money, though. As long as health is exchanged, you gain an assist when you only want to look menacing and create space. Very useful and rusheable if your adc is your win con and you don't need ms for roaming.
@fuscello
Күн бұрын
Even though I found this video interesting (especially the second wind/bone plating stats), I feel like Bard was done pretty badly. Full enchanter Bard is indeed something you can go for, but I don’t think it is advisable for ranked climbs. Builds that have more agency include: Helia Bard, you rush Helia into full tank (FH, Abyssal etc.) with Swifties, Solstice Sleigh and FoL as a rune; Bruiser Bard, with Warmogs rush into Wit’s End into full tank with Swifties and Bloodsong (after Warmogs nerfs, this really isn’t a good build anymore); Mosquito Bard, you take either Guardian or Electrocute as keystones, but secondary is set on inspiration with JoAT and free boots, then Cosmic Drive rush into specifically Cloth Armor, Null-Magic Mantle and Dagger in any order to proc the entirety of JoAT, then you complete Berserker’s Greaves and Locket, after all of this you go full tank with Bloodsong. Bard doesn’t rely much on what he builds so there is a lot of flexibility in his purchases that I wanted to shed some light on because I just love the guy :)
@WizardTideTime908
Күн бұрын
For my Tahm Kench players here's the setup I'm running in NA Masters: Heartsteel > Abyssal/Knight's Vow, order depending on team comps > anything you want game is over before 4 items. OR Heartsteel > Unending Despair/Spirit Visage if you are getting all of the kills and want to play a more fun carry style of taking up space in fights. You won't have enough gold if you're behind or even though. Runes: Grasp / Shield Bash / Second Wind / Overgrowth, Secondary: Triumph / Alacrity I look forward to joining if I'm still playing league next year, love the videos Mr Cake. 😊
@noellefisher1753
Күн бұрын
I think something to start considering for next patch (assuming current pbe changes on it go live) is shield bash on/with enchanters, shield bash is being changed from: 1-10 resists and 5-30 + 1.5% bonushp + 8.5% shield adaptive damage. To 0 resistances 5-30 + 2.5% bhp + 15% shield adaptive damage. This could be taken on adc's or the enchanters themselves, to get you a surprisingly good bottom row precision rune that works at all hp thresholds, regardless of ad and an additional defensive rune. Though, it is probably better on carries due to enchanters wanting to auto less as the game goes on.
@MainHeadz1
Күн бұрын
Fimbulwinter is being slept on. 2400 gold for 550 health is a big power spike early game. Warmogs gives you only 700 health from just the components. And locket/zekes gives you only 250 health for 2200 gold. Health is more valuable in the early game and I know when I buy giants belt on tank supports I feel the extra durability on the champs. For 200 more gold and getting a useless stat like mana to gain access to more health. Ill take it
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
You know what, I hadn't considered this item at all but due to lack of alternatives, its affordability, its health and ability haste, its shielding on engagers... you might be onto something. Normally people burn in the comments but I think you're cooking
@iWindyS
Күн бұрын
Thing is imo you give up soooo much early power and you stack tear really slowly
@iFParasit
Күн бұрын
@@iWindySwhen u stack it slowly u can not rush it and look at the unupgraded stats
@mobywhite
Күн бұрын
No talk of Poppy :( one of the highest wr supports rn for 2-3 patches.
@forestpacyfista6841
14 сағат бұрын
I watch almost all Your videos and I must say I really really wait for Your take on Taric in depth guide, cause there is NO SUCH think across whoole YT :O I Love watching your in depth gides for champions and thanks to You I started playing Renata and got from Gold to Emerald
@UnAware__
Күн бұрын
I'm pretty much always going for the attack speed rune shard bcs I feel like destroying wards faster is so valuable for a support, well on ranged supports at least
@Waltrus
21 сағат бұрын
Thanks coach
@stephonjones4734
Күн бұрын
Best sup item battlesong. About to get engaged on. Speed up. Out of position speed up, need team to keep up for engage? Speed up need to get minions to tower faster? Speed up. It is so under rated. Always rush on rell.
@johnwick9367
Күн бұрын
Tbh at this point id rather rush jacksho second rather than warmogs....
@HarpieLady683
Күн бұрын
You will get second wind nerfed
@tomwanders6022
Күн бұрын
I wonder if there is gonna be any math in the video, because that matters a lot in building items. I know the player base sucks at building correct builds, that’s why we now see collector rush jinx; instead of sitting on dirk into IE into % pen. Almost no one can back up their builds with numbers. I know there can be strategy behind item and there has to be for a good build, but sometimes people just have no idea, that even though some items look like squishy killers they are often worse than the tank killing options.
@tomwanders6022
Күн бұрын
Ok already something I disagree with, locket is what you want on engagers and not Zekes. Zekes dmg is pretty much irrelevant, if you look at how much it does per games it is negligible, and the cc it brings is also just nonexistent most of the time, because when you press ult, it usually means you are going for a hard cc chain anyways. The only Zekes champion, who this would work with is Alistar. Now why do I think Locket is not bad as an engage item? Well, generally engage comps have more melee oriented Carrie’s or might at least. It’s more likely, that someone might hit them rather than you, when you go in, but also depending on which champion you play, going locket redemption and giving your team just 500-750 extra effective health is often pretty strong. Honestly with how strong moonstone is, I would even consider it a potential item for Alistar, given how Alistar can just press r for the teamfight duration anyways. Warmogs was not that good before the nerfs if you ask me and it absolutely sucks now, it takes years to complete, offers your team no protection at all and just gives you ms. No cdr at all you throw most of your utility out of the window just to have some small amount of mobility and Regen. Think about it you can have another support item+ boots or a component instead. Warmogs is just never an option anymore, with a prize of 3300. Never build a full thorn mail, just say the 800 gold item next time, because that is the effect that matters, since your name is not rammus, you will usually not want the dmg from thorn mail, especially because on supports you don’t have the money anyways.
@RealElliottRichardson
Күн бұрын
It's not the best or most optimal but I've been loving Grasp Sion Support with Shield Bash as a tanky brawler support. Celestial Opposition, Unending Despair, Spirit Visage are your core items and you can build your other items based on matchup. Not great, but I've been having fun and decent success rate
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
I'll take your word for it, not sure if I'll fire that up on my main 😂
@WiiSportsTwo
2 күн бұрын
But shurelya's goes fast...
@mrwater2033
Күн бұрын
I don't like boneplating, ever since it got changed years ago... it kind of sucks XD maybe it'd be good against kaisa + naut. or if you play enchanters vs engage like you say. mandate is going to be dead though: 1. helia out damages mandate while also giving an insane base healing while mandate will give 0% MS and only % current health damage. When i've tested the damage of mandate vs helia... idk why anyone would want mandate unless your purpose is to: chase or run away after your ally procs it. If you do extended fights - ardent is going to outdamage mandate (but you lose out on CDR + MS buff) I think mandate is a good item to enable kiting, add some burst. I rarely see that the damage of mandate is the reason someone pops. but I do see that the MS buff being insanely broken if the ally uses it correctly.
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
Yeah mandate is more of a 2nd item for champions who want to fully commit to a damage line and don't want to index into the heal/shield path at all basically. Agreed that Helia should be your first option.
@semistro
Күн бұрын
D1 ap / damage support here. You are sleeping on jack of all trades builds 900g value in stats, thats 3 kills. Consistently proccable by 11-15min by most support classes. Thats the value of transendence and gather storm at 20 COMBINED in 1 rune and proccing ~7min earlier. It just requires mindfull building and inventory control i. The early game and thus is significantly underused and underpresented in the stats. Sleeper OP builds since jack of all trades release. No other class can proc this rune as easy as support.
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
What's an example champion and item build for this?
@marcoslinhares4479
Күн бұрын
Ward
@semistro
Күн бұрын
@@CoachCupcake hard to compound into one single build since you have tons of options but my main supp is ap shaco. Basic build is Supp item - 3/10 Mana crystal - 4/10 Dseal - 5/10 (Procs 10ap on your first reset if you get early kill) mpen boots - 7/10 Aether wisp - 8/10 stack Dblade - 10/10 stacks (if you snowball lvl 1 kill into dseal into 10stack dseal and get dblade as soon you finish quest you can solo midlaners and junglers) Dblade can only be bought once quest finished. In between i usually get lost chapter too, but you can sit on mana crystal if you are behind. Shaco uses the ad on dblade pretty ok and the 3% lifesteal is useless but its still so good to proc JoaT. Other mages (like velkoz) can swap out dblade with %mpen compartment and single cloth armor or null magic depending on matchup OR just don't get either and get the wardstone item instead for very gold efficient 2 stacks. Which means you still the exact same dmg if not more but are also tankier then alternative mage supp builds. Ad supps like pyke ashe poppy, have even better path with umbrail glave + wardstone or dblade. I once got solo triple kills on enemy bot + jungle on hail of blades + jack of all trades poppy. Enchanter that also poke a bit like janna lulu karma also abuse the rune very easy with cheap stacks found in %healing power and aether wisp. What makes the rune work is once you realise you can snowball on it by building full item into proccing it at ~15min with last compartment but it's also very consistent base scaling if you get behind because you build seperate item parts to proc JoaT first and only AFTER it procs you finish full items. Engage tanks also have very cheap build but since i am not an expert on the strength of those i cannot say for sure tanks want ap/ad as so much as too alter their other strong builds. I have tried it though and been succesfull on it. (Bruiser naut) You really have to sit down and check all your possible buildpathd on a champ and make an item page to make this rune work which is why nobody is doing it. But i have been having giga fun with off meta picks abusing it.
@tynne3710
Күн бұрын
What's best for Maokai? Ty for de video, useful as always! :)
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
solstice sleigh, swifties, trailblazer/DMP, warmogs. thanks for watching :)
@420kyles
2 күн бұрын
Resolve tree seems to be all about scaling now that bone plating/unflinching combo is dead. If overgrowth is the only option 3rd line isn’t rushing warmogs and taking conditioning most optimal?
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
Foregoing the laning power of second wind is a huge investment, especially for engagers as they need to create early win conditions. It is very noticeable when you have conditioning instead.
@winndog7464
Күн бұрын
Hey so I notice you never talk about tahm kentch as support, is there a reason why? Idk if he is bad or not I just learning more about support and love the channel
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
I don't even know if he counts as a support nowadays to be honest. Isn't top his most played role now? Either way he's hard to categorize, his identity is all over the place and if I did come out with Tahm content it would basically only apply to him.
@winndog7464
Күн бұрын
@@CoachCupcake ahh okay gotcha, im a top main on my main account but i have been learning support so i wanted to know because Tahm is one of my mains top. Love the content and all of your videos have helped me get into plat playing support.
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
@@winndog7464 Awesome thanks for the support!
@evan8895
Күн бұрын
Build and rune diversity for melee supports is so dead. Makes me sad.
@mcELINER
Күн бұрын
Is this post item nerfs for split end, or we expecting another one these videos after nerfs?
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
I'll get another one out after all the upcoming item changes too :)
@liricoteca
Күн бұрын
I love to be a Pysco Soraka
@gilianfranciscogamla7280
Күн бұрын
Great explanations, I love your videos ❤ mate, I don’t understand why Poppy is not in your recommendations, I’m studying Alistar and Thresh now, but she’s my favourite support by far, followed by Nami. Why don’t give a chance to the little purple queen of the engages and disengages? 🤭👀
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
She does seem popular and functions well at all elo's, maybe I will discuss her more
@r3rorer090
Күн бұрын
I offrole support and my main champ is Zyra. What should I be building on her most of the time? Pure mage items seem super expensive, but is that the only way to build her? I watched one KZitemr Zyra recommend building Rylai's+Mandate most of the time for a more utility focused build that is more cost efficient.
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
I'm working on a Zyra guide atm for Support Academy so good timing for the question! That build felt significantly worse than the traditional liandries -> rylais -> sorc shoes. The only variation I'd consider is rylais rush over liandries if you want a faster 1 item spike. You have plenty of uptime on plants with W max 2nd and it really hurts to do no damage yourself with rylais mandate lucidity.
@r3rorer090
Күн бұрын
@@CoachCupcake I'll be happy to check that out when it's done! Thank you for the reply and insight on the build, Coach.
@ImPlutooo15
2 күн бұрын
I’ve been told by some people that maining support is the easy way out when playing ranked or I’m not fully learning the game when playing support. Do you have any thoughts on this?
@robenriven
Күн бұрын
im GM/chall (right now gm, not enough time to try and get chall) toplaner, also got to GM in midlane and support. If you want to be a good support you need a lot of macro compared to other lanes (besides jungle) so thats false, probably those people are not good. Well... but if you are just spamming nami, janna, or seraphine thats another story... so many people in high elo with those champs and they are completely thrash and dont know how to play
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
There are always elements of truth to stereotypes but these are greatly exaggerated. The barrier for entry to support is comparatively low - at the same it is incredibly difficult to get high elo on any role. If you want to have the closest experience possible to cruising and turning your brain off, enchanters would be your best bet - at the same time you can challenge yourself to completely dominate lane, take over the game and learn a tremendous amount on them. You get out what you put in. I'd encourage you to play which role you enjoy + which champ you enjoy, and not stress about small percentages and narratives like this.
@Music_Lingo
Күн бұрын
Is this for 14.19? The crazy new patch?
@CoachCupcake
Күн бұрын
Not the big new patch, I will release another video when the changes are live
@creapyman4122
8 сағат бұрын
u cant rush warmogs on ali no?
@CoachCupcake
6 сағат бұрын
You can, you just won't hit the threshold as quickly as in the past.
@johnwick9367
Күн бұрын
Nice video coach but it all changes in 6 days 😅 we need an updated vid in 2 weeks
@Bolglate
14 сағат бұрын
nice video
@vondoplays1630
Күн бұрын
🐐
@DLatryShankLi
Күн бұрын
as a good coach woude prefer if u dont use words as right ore wronge becus it is hard inpacting psycological words with how fragial lol comuniti is it is beter to use unoptimal/optimal.
@iFParasit
Күн бұрын
..... if its unoptimal its wrong, no need to water down speech just because ppl feefees might be hurt if they hear theyre wrong
@DLatryShankLi
Күн бұрын
@@iFParasit more like many pursanalitys when u say the are wrongh the turn into donkys and dont learn any thing, becus they take it like wrong is subjectiv f your opinion
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