I said it once and I'll say it twice: FLUB DRUMS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT SECTION IN THE ENIRE MARCHING BAND
@bimgus6672
3 жыл бұрын
🗑️
@jshock
3 жыл бұрын
Oh Steven...
@OdaKa
3 жыл бұрын
Next comment - "I said it twice and I'll say it thrice:"
@jojnokirk8035
3 жыл бұрын
shut up steven
@pear22
3 жыл бұрын
Steven...
@miless17
3 жыл бұрын
Steven will be center flub there someday
@kietey14
3 жыл бұрын
Though DCI is the major leagues, it's still an entirely learning based program. The think Flubs are an amazing addition. They let members, who aren't quite good enough, experience marching in an amazing environment. Though I too am a dinosaur, I think this would have been amazing back in my day of marching DCI Open Class. As a person marching who is giving their all, you are only as good as your weakest member. If your weaker members are now in a learning position, not distorting your own sound I think that is good. It will be a good experience because you get to perform at a higher level without being held back, and members who aren't there yet still get to enjoy the process.
@Lkease
3 жыл бұрын
HUGE agree about open class. i know it's tough finding enough talent to field a full line in open class unless you're top 6 but putting a few on flubs is only going to help the corps grow.
@squillz8310
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with both of you. It's all about the experience, and the ability to grow and improve as a musician, athlete and a performer.
@ajwags05
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a junior currently, but 3 seniors I knew two years ago are in that group. 2 on snare and 1 on flub
@caindrumming7823
3 жыл бұрын
I marched an impact drum, which was essentially flub, for North Star Independent this last season. Wouldn’t do it next year, but it gave me a good idea of how much effort a WGI line requires and what skills I need for my audition this year. There’s definitely value to it
@GrantDolanMusic
3 жыл бұрын
It’s says something to the quality you are as a person to talk to the guys who are actually doing it and finding out if it’s worth it. Disagree all you want, but most people don’t take the time and talk to the people that it impacts.
@redwoodofficial_
3 жыл бұрын
We had flubs at our high school, the “tom line” because we had a large drumline and a small brass section. The tom line played traditional grip on a 14” tom similar to the tenor drum 4. Most people only had to be on the tom line for one season at most. Unfortunately for a member, he was promoted to snare for an outdoor season and was moved back to the tom line for indoor. That was his last season…
@KitKensky
3 жыл бұрын
in the short lived 2020 pre season, the Raiders DBC were fielding a 9 person snare line, with 3 flubs, or "impacts" as we called them. They were old snare shells, with no guts and a softer tom head on the batter side. They played a watered down version of the snare AND tenor parts, switching between the two wherever it fit best in the music.
@A.F.Whitepigeon
3 жыл бұрын
You should make a flub wrap with those lance corporal insignias.
@0Aquamelon
3 жыл бұрын
when I found out music city had a flub line I literally shouted "IT HAS BEGUN!!" And proceeded to do an evil laugh
@drummamama-qb5gu
11 ай бұрын
The CA highschools that took gold and silver for PSW during the 2023 WGI Indoor Perc in Dayton both had flub lines. Ayala HS had a 3member flub line and Chino Hills HS had a larger flub line.
@jeffe_77
3 жыл бұрын
The great 1993 Star of Indiana Drumline had a flub section for the closer and won high percussion.
@triondrummers
3 жыл бұрын
You should look into the Jacksonville State Southerners drumline for flubs. They have done some interesting things the past few years with the flubs.
@MattBeasley1968
3 жыл бұрын
I just got my Drum Set t-shirt from your merch store yesterday (beige instead of yellow, though). Planning on wearing it on Saturday night to the DCI show. We got seats in section 140 ( near the 50 yard line) 8th row. See if you can find it when you are out on the field if you're, uh, not too busy. On second thought, you should probably stay focused on your performance. Looking forward to the show Saturday. See you there!
@Kchernek
3 жыл бұрын
Flub sections sound like a completely viable section to consider for DCI groups not already at max capacity. In every corps I ever auditioned for, there were always way more percussionists auditioning than spots available, and the ratio was certainly higher than the hornline or color guard. If you have the room for more members, it doesn't make a lot of sense to turn away those kids who almost made a spot as is. During move ins or early season if someone gets injured, they would even be a viable alternate. And even if you don't have confidence they can fit in a snare or quad line, theres no reason to think at that level they shouldn't be heard at all. They can still play simpler parts clean, and designers can take advantage of the added timbre. I hope more open class corps take advantage of it. I think some lower world class groups aren't at capacity each year either, but im sure they get extra percussionist auditionees, so I hope they consider it as well. Thinking outside the box is the best way to grow the activity.
@MysticGacha
3 жыл бұрын
Ikr I hate seeing Flubs getting absolutely trashed on at times ;-; I mean it’s a really cool concept and wish more lines used them but people have opinions lol
@squillz8310
3 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly. You may not see them in any top 12 corps, but in some semi-finalist world class groups you would see some. Open class would be the best place for Flubs imo. That way, members can get that experience early on if they are rather inexperienced. I'm always for the evolution of the activity to enhance the experience for everyone.
@bob5510
3 жыл бұрын
At my smaller all-age corps, we had two young kinds show up late in the spring, both were younger brothers of hornline members. The corps made a deal that they could march flubs for parades (two or three cadences, five charts in the parade book) and they get a ticket to every show for their effort. These kids put the work in, were able to work with all of our drum staff. You'd hear them flubbing away no matter what else is going on in rehearsal, and they had a great time doing it. I'm sitting this year out but I'm pretty sure they're both in the line now, one on snare and one on bass. As an older horn player, one of my favorite parts of the activity is watching our members improve.
@carwash9333
3 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute why did everybody switch sides on their flubs opinions in the poll yesterday like we weren’t all shitting on them on the first flub video
@Matty.Travis
3 жыл бұрын
I mean basicly as far as i can tell seems like a good way to get the most instuction in a shortened season while getting more dots on the feild
@ikurasake
3 жыл бұрын
As a wind player I could see myself using flubs as an easier opportunity to march battery in the winter season
@RoyalChant
Жыл бұрын
we did the same thing here a few years ago here with our drumline here in Australia. We had some junior tenors (plus cowbells) that wound up functioning as a timbale/colour element of the line, and then some uni-tenors (essentially flubs) + woodblock that were literally "hype men" for various phrases. Whatever it takes, whatever works. I remember hearing about flubs from Star and then seeing it in their show, and then also vaguely remembered the old FSU drumlines from the 90s used to have quints in addition to marching bongos and marching timbales, so it's just kind of a way to get more kids involved from a broader range of ages and abilities (as well as deal with any budget shortcomings). Again: whatever it takes, whatever works.
@Luke-vw3yk
3 жыл бұрын
Saw Music City in Akron on the 9th! Great show!
@theonetrueravioli1043
3 жыл бұрын
So, we had this guy that wanted to be on the drumline. He started in pit freshman year, sophomore year he was on a flub, junior year, he was on bass 5, and senior year he said fuck it and took the drum kit part that was offered.
@Uncle_Yam
3 жыл бұрын
Music city normally maxes out but all the corps are running low this year because not many people were into the idea of no scores
@difficultkill3r636
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah my drum corps had a super small hornline this year and we were a bigger battery
@cactusfishy1596
3 жыл бұрын
I’m like “what stupid drum corp would do this” and it’s literally the one that two of my friends are in 😂😂
@mrnicknick02
3 жыл бұрын
Who?
@wariokanasta1772
2 жыл бұрын
One of my friends and me when we were in 7th grade joined our high school marching band (We are an Open class team and this was the Covid year) Me, my friend, and another 7th grader all ended up playing flub that year (there was also 1 7th grader on bass 1, and 2 in our pitt being 2/4 of our pitt) Me and that other guy quit midseason, and we had this thing in our school called winter percussion and the same 3 guys came and played flub again, and the same other 7th grader left again. But midseason our Bass 3 ended up quitting moving my friend up (We had 4 basses in our school) and since my director hates flubs, he moved me to Pitt to play Glockenspiel. Next year in marching ban, as a 8th grader, I moved up to Xylophone and my friend stayed on bass 3 (We won nationals this year), and the next winter percussion season after that I moved to marimba and my friend moved to Snare. Now In our freshmen year I'm likely going to be Marimba 2 and my friend is gonna be Snare 2.
@oldmilwaukeesnarestandfrom4894
2 жыл бұрын
To increase flub volume, cut the snare line down to 1 or 2. Tenors down to 1, and transition the others into the best flub line ever
@ChrisPernaDrums
3 жыл бұрын
Eric, are you aware that other DCI corps have marched flub lines in the past? There may be more, but these at least included Star ‘93 and Crossmen ‘98 that I know for sure. Granted, they weren’t in for the whole show for training - but I digress.
@TheBANDit_67
3 жыл бұрын
My school uses the bass line as the training instrument. The actual show music always sounds fine, just with watered bass parts. Some people have enjoyed bass enough to stay for multiple seasons, but mostly people just play it for one season before moving to snare or tenor.
@brianmalexander
3 жыл бұрын
The bassline is the most important section out of the Drumline (this, coming from a snare player and tech). Why would it ever be used as a training section?
@TheBANDit_67
3 жыл бұрын
@@brianmalexander I don't teach there, I'm just a student. I disagree with it as much as you do.
@cadenceanderson7523
3 жыл бұрын
Saw you perform in Indianapolis this last weekend!! You were awesome!
@holton345
3 жыл бұрын
Terminal Lance: In the Army, we had the "E-4 Mafia". It seemed like everyone in the Army was a freaking E-4. We also had "Career Privates". Stay away from those Career Privates, as they are usually a bad influence on the youngsters.
@thesearchlightsCW
3 жыл бұрын
Gonna be honest my dude. I know nothing about drumming but I watch your videos for your passion and positivity. Love it!
@vvillv6995
3 жыл бұрын
Flub drum merch lookin 🔥🔥🔥
@EMCproductions
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! And good job on first comment!
@nickpisarczyk
3 жыл бұрын
One of my friends could have made snare but she just played single tenor (basically same thing as flubs) all four years of high school.
@xGeminiKing
3 жыл бұрын
I would definitely rock the flubs in DCI.
@ObscureMachines
3 жыл бұрын
Troy University marched timbales when I was there and they’d do scrapes and stuff which was dope. One went on to be snare section leader too. So it does happen. IDK, I’m on the fence, but leaning towards unless it’s a conscious textural choice ok, but if it’s cause we’re gonna do like t-ball and everyone wins and we don’t wanna cut anyone from the line so let’s throw em on flubs, then no.
@stephenbyrnes7205
3 жыл бұрын
Video 29 of commenting until EMC makes an entire battery percussion section out of spocks and 8 inch splash cymbals
@HE360
3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of those flub drums. It makes the drumline look more fuller and if those drums are used to train new drummers, then that's great! And at least those kids get to march in a DCI corps and have THAT experience. A lot of DCI corps don't take beginners or mostly fill their ranks with more "talented" people. Thus, at least they get a chance.
@nickromano7441
3 жыл бұрын
I get it for this off season (considering 2021 isn’t competitive) but DCI is literally for the best of the best, especially when talking about top 12 World Class corps. You can still do drum corp if you’re not at that level, ie. DCA, Open Class DCI.
@james_g_walt
2 жыл бұрын
TwoSet and EMC Productions need to compose a flub drum/viola duet.
@realspork2785
2 жыл бұрын
These video you watched were at my high school and I was there to watch it and i couldn’t here the flubs a whole lot
@n-man8208
3 жыл бұрын
My high school, only our winter show has marching toms. It’s like that, because we have like 5 basses, 4 snares and 3 tenors but one tenor is broken plus we can’t cover the snare parts so we put two people on toms. So yah
@TracyWiggins
3 жыл бұрын
A few universities have added these sections to get more players involved. The University of North Alabama (where I teach), Jacksonville State University, Liberty, and one of the Western Carolina lines all use them. For us at UNA, it is a great tool to keep 5 more players' hands growing and developing (and keeping more students involved in band). Ours are tuned with the 14 sounding like an HBCU single tom, and the 2 spocks we use are tuned and muffled to sound almost like octobons, so the tuning is to add color and not interfere with tenor sound.
@singland5390
3 жыл бұрын
The MCDC video was taken at my high school's football field.
@carsonswitalski9098
3 жыл бұрын
Two of my good friends had a contract to march with Raiders (Open Class Drum Corps from NJ) on flubs for the 2020 season. They both tried for Snare but ended up being placed on Flubs and wanted to get the experience marching open class, even if they couldn’t do it on snare.
@VerstappenFTW
11 күн бұрын
The Steven reference got me dying
@jacksonhall3151
3 жыл бұрын
aw when the merch announcement happened I thought we were going to be able to buy actual flub drums with the I
@iswm
2 жыл бұрын
There is an argument to be made that while they might not contribute much musically they still contribute to general and visual effect, especially in the case of smaller bands where an extra 3-5 bodies on the field can make a big impact on the perception of the size of the ensemble.
@perrywclifton
Жыл бұрын
Everybody forgets Star put two flubs on the field for their closer in 1993.
@kevingeeter8172
3 жыл бұрын
A couple of guys marched 2-3 years on flubs in my college band, so it's not unheard of.
@captainkiwi77
3 жыл бұрын
Dci killed its own goal of being a music education juggernaut tbh. Used to be we turned people off the street into god tier musicians over a season... now... we get divided when a corps marches a training section
@RoyalChant
Жыл бұрын
during the lean years of the mid-90s, when corps were folding left and right, we remember these conversations/debates start to appear, which is a roundabout way of pondering whether corps are here to train up youngsters with passion or should they just take the good ones and create a dream team (which we will call the "Blue Devil's effect"). Your "people off the street" description reminds us of the way people used to talk about some of the East Coast and Mid-West corps: really strong programs, but they did it through a lot of hard work rather than just cherry picking talent (aka: BD). We have no idea if that dynamic is even remotely true today, or if it ever was.
@gregomyeggo4639
Жыл бұрын
Imagine marching flubs in DCI. Couldn’t be me.
@alexfulkerson2499
3 жыл бұрын
U gotta judge and rank all the Drum Corp shows this season for us
@jackfreeman1646
2 жыл бұрын
My high school has 5 snares, 3 tenors, and 5 basses
@bens7622
3 жыл бұрын
Our school just did their first jr high band camp and it was awsome
@Boulder_Betta
Жыл бұрын
7:02 So is nobody gonna talk about the rightmost snare's giant afro??
@gfcsdad
3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I appreciate the idea of a training opportunity for ANY student looking to make a greater contribution to the ensemble as their level of skill progresses. That said, I reject outright the antiquated notion that ANY traditional component (i.e. bass drum, front ensemble, etc.) should be viewed as the place for beginners or those "not good enough" for the snare or tenor line. If a flub section provides a training opportunity while providing meaningful musical contributions, then I'm all for it. What I am completely against is any notion of "rank", hierarchy, or level of importance in the ensemble.
@Tripp.tambores
2 жыл бұрын
Would you be open to talking about the educational benefit and purpose of cymbal lines? Or maybe like a compare/contrast between cymbals and flubs and the reasons groups will do one but not the other.
@JaxonCT
3 жыл бұрын
Just copped my flub drum merch 🔥
@bruhsoundeffect9553
3 жыл бұрын
There was this dude in my HS drum line that marched flubs for 3 years and didn’t do it his senior year because he quit band since he was pissed he didn’t get drum major. So 3 year flub and he was surprised he didn’t get DM
@diffytez2413
3 жыл бұрын
I have friends that marched freshman - senior on the flub
@Tansea
3 жыл бұрын
Back in the day (tic system) some lines would muffle out snares who were less than stellar. I have also heard that some Scottish line use a muffle pad for those who may or may not have imbibed a bit too much.
@soundchecksmusic1124
3 жыл бұрын
I was at that performance I was right next to the camera man
@willdonahue4940
3 жыл бұрын
You should check out my college marching band. We have marched Flubbs for years and I think they add a lot to the ensemble. It’s the Marching Southerners at Jacksonville State University
@privatekitty6621
3 жыл бұрын
when i marched flubs my first year of high school there was a sophomore on flubs 2 seasons in a row she quit band her junior year
@lincolnpierce7895
3 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for Saturday at Lucas Oil lol.
@rogansayson
3 жыл бұрын
Where was your AGT audition videos?
@chrishoma1033
3 жыл бұрын
I was out in the pit my freshman year after not making the line, chalked it up to being in a feeder school that didn’t put out when the drum line met in the spring. Anyway their flub configuration gave the line an underlying lower tone and kind of cool they are marching a snome. Can see some more aux percussion there too next year, cool way to bring pit percussion out to the field for more visual capability. Or maybe cymbal/flub change outs? Better then marching metal discs and pinching the crap outta yourself all season
@clarksummers4514
Жыл бұрын
I made Music city and I’m not sure if we are gonna have flubs again, not completely sure, we will see at move ins
@sophiewhisner
Жыл бұрын
the flubs in mine are very loud they’re louder than the quads
@simonking5381
2 жыл бұрын
The Music City vets are very adamant about calling them aux and not flubs
@caleb_stpierre
3 жыл бұрын
does anyone else's band see bass drum as more of a training tool than they see it as just a different section of the drumline?
@moocowbees
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, for our program everyone (who isn't quite good enough) is supposed to start on bass before moving on to snare or tenor.
@cactusfishy1596
3 жыл бұрын
Although our other sections usually have stronger players in general, often our best player could also be a Bass drummer, Bass 1 in music city in this video was our section leader last year, and he was pretty good. Many do move from Bass to snare, rarely the other way
@brianmalexander
3 жыл бұрын
Bassline is the most important section of the drumline, musically speaking. It's sad that so many programs treat it as a a lower tier instrument.
@201_ace
3 жыл бұрын
Caption Head: Jesus Sanchez aka cheeezzzeee
@Copp.r
3 жыл бұрын
We have cymbal quads which is our equivalent. Most of the time it’s a first year only instrument. Although we do have a senior that chose to move from front ensemble to cymbal quads?
@Jmilillo
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t like flubs being in the drumline, but I like the fact that they give people an opportunity.
@powergoose6188
3 жыл бұрын
Did this mans agt videos get taken down
@twistedwildfire1770
3 жыл бұрын
I wish my school had flubs. My students sucked a lot.
@gaberobison680
3 жыл бұрын
I always got a very elitist vibe from DCI lines. I’m primarily a mallet player but my small private high school didn’t have a front ensemble ( the whole band was 40 people, we also didn’t have a percussion instructor, just the band director) and it’s very easy to feel intimidated by the serious people with rudimental drumming experts assuming you are a garbage musician. I did manage to self teach my way to all state thanks to a really good natural sense for musicality
@tomwilde5778
3 жыл бұрын
I marched flub for my first winter percussion year. While I have some percussion experience I was definitely more of a beginner. What's different about my district, is that my director made it sound like the flubs were above the bass line in skill. While, whether or not that's true I definitely didn't feel like I contributed much to the sound. It was a lot of fun to be there though, would definitely not do it again though
@stephensmith6790
3 жыл бұрын
Just when I thought dci couldn't get any worse...then enters the flub.
@ricardoarana8259
3 жыл бұрын
i need that shirt lmaooo
@lopidopi9967
2 жыл бұрын
My high school has the smallest drumline ever. We have 2 snares, 2 bass drums, and 1 tenor
@ultra9349
11 ай бұрын
I liked the hihat idea so then it’s different
@ooinvsaoo
3 жыл бұрын
My hs didnt have flubs. Bass was *kinda* the training segment of the line seeing we didnt have split bass parts. And if u couldnt cut it on bass you went to cymbals. There was a guy 2 years ahead of me. My freshman year his jr I went up against him and he got his 3rd year of cymbals and didnt go out for a 4th
@timdahl
3 жыл бұрын
What about Crossmen 1998? Or were those not flubs?
@Joe_Mama_7
3 жыл бұрын
Hey emc I have a question about what qualifies a golden sphincter
@kamdentrust4531
Жыл бұрын
They had flubs during 2022 Macy day
@michaelrasmussen4050
3 жыл бұрын
Lub D Flub
@chrismartucci8146
3 жыл бұрын
“This hornline is too small for this size drumline” You’d be surprised really. For my corps this year we had 20 hornline members in the corps and had 9 snares, 5 basses and 5 tenors in the drumline. And there were parts of the show were you couldnt hear us at all.
@kahok5ownage
Жыл бұрын
How to milk more members for more dues: start a flub line
@kahok5ownage
Жыл бұрын
(it’s a joke)
@soundchecksmusic1124
3 жыл бұрын
You can hear the flub line better in person
@NAR-z3pd
3 жыл бұрын
In least Steven is in the flub line
@mattc.6526
3 жыл бұрын
What's your opinion on Star of Indiana's 93 flub line? I believe they pulled front members halfway through the show to get a bigger sound in the closer.
@djninjamusic
3 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this! From what I've read, Thom Hannum (caption head & arranger) added the flubs to really lock in the ostinato/groove of the Medea closer as well as to beef up the impacts/hits
@KevinGamin
3 жыл бұрын
Two thoughts: 1) I think I recall Vandegrift High School, the 2019 BOA Grand National Champion, had a full drum line which also included flubs. I’d like to know if I remember correctly and, if so, what was their philosophy for using them. 2) Music City has a flub line but no cymbal line. I’m not sure how I feel about that.
@mrnicknick02
3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by number 2?
@kevinharris3291
3 жыл бұрын
So can the Flubs/Aux line be heard or not?
@76turner1
3 жыл бұрын
So these are the new Tri Toms?
@joshxnderson
3 ай бұрын
Nobody’s talking about that shirt lmao
@VS0097
3 жыл бұрын
I almost lost my shit when he said flub tech
@grantr7179
3 жыл бұрын
Can we get shirts that say I hate flubs?
@nwmusic2010
3 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t they just march a cymbal line?
@TheStickCollector
3 жыл бұрын
Neat
@iMacJames
3 жыл бұрын
I've had several people march 2 seasons on Flub drums. Yikes
@84m30
3 жыл бұрын
So my old school had 6-7-8 Snares, 5 Basses, 3-4 Tenors (it fluctuated) and 4 Flubs. The director would try to spot promising freshmen for the flubs and place them on there. It ended up being a mixed bag. Some years, the flubs were just that: flubs. The kids that didn't try hard enough to get a better spot. Other times, the Flubs ended up producing some of our best players the next season. The Flubs would never march at competitions however, as they pretty much objectively add nothing to a show musically. They are a useful tool, but nothing else, which is why using them in such a professional setting as this seems... just a bit goofy.
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