Hey everyone, so it does appear that Ultranet is only available for Midas/Behringer products, so it seems like it will NOT work with other mixers (presonus, soundcraft, etc). Thank you all for adding the comments to share this info! I appreciate it! But it will work well with Behringer mixers such as xr18, x32, and Midas mixers such as Air18 and Midas 32. UPDATE: I did want to let you know that a few select people have said sometimes the unit will give noise on random channels when it's plugged in. Mine does NOT do this, however, the very first one I did get had that issue. I returned it for a new one, and I've never had that problem since then. I've only seen very few comments mentioning this, but I wanted to address it, because it does seem like it wasn't just a single faulty unit. I did switch to a Cat 5 cable as well instead of Cat 6 (I doubt that makes a difference, but worth trying). When I did have that "bad" unit, I would unplug it and flipped some of the switches back and forth and it cleared it up. Again, you should return it for a better one if that happens to you, but in a pinch, that's how I fixed it. This is still the splitter that I use still, and it works great and I highly recommend it! But always test new gear to make sure it isn't faulty. Cheers!
@djabthrash
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@OfFormerFame
Жыл бұрын
Yes, ultranet is a proprietary protocol for Behringer/Midas afaik.
@kaleboverby426
Жыл бұрын
This is kind of OFF topic, but those Velcro Cable labels, where do you get those????
@smellytele9629
Жыл бұрын
Ah, I was just getting ready to ask that question. This video was VERY helpful as I'm currently building an in ear system with my Midas mr18. Thank you!
@ed-xs3pu
Жыл бұрын
Can this be used to create extra Aux Outputs so I can run stereo IEMs?
@paullongden-musician7113
Жыл бұрын
Everytime I watch your videos I say "I need that!" Youre gonna bankrupt me Scott.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I have that problem as well 😅😅
@ironblast5
Жыл бұрын
Ultranet protocol doesn't work with other protocol it is specific to midas and and behringer products
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Ok sweet, thanks for commenting. I was wondering!
@EqDior
Жыл бұрын
correct the ultranet protocol is unique to behringer/midas products. it is quite different from dante, which dante has alot of adapters that would allow it to work on a wide variety of products.
@go.dalida
Жыл бұрын
AES50 it the protocol used by Behringer. Which is different to Dante itself.
@OldChurchTechGuy
Жыл бұрын
Please note that if you use an X32 Rack for in-ears and an X32/M32/Wing for FOH, you can route your signals to either AES50 output on the X32 Rack and send it to the FOH mixer using Ethercon cable. AES50 allows you to the send 48 signals out and receive 48 signals in using one Ethercon cable. BTW, if FOH is using a Wing, you can use the StageConnect ports on this device to talk directly to the Stage Connect ports on the Wing.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
That would definitely be best! One cable to send everything would be killer!
@Kroschkolow
Жыл бұрын
I guess you have done it that way. Were there ever any problems with the shared preamp gain / the band setting the preamp gain and the tech just getting a digital trim?
@mlowder06
Жыл бұрын
Just bought a demo unit of this off Sweetwater based on this review, going to use it with our XR-18 (also a demo from Sweetwater, lol) which we also purchased after watching your other videos. We've learned so much based on your videos, thanks Scott!!!
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Nice!! Thanks man, glad you’ve enjoyed the videos 🤘 Enjoy the Midas!
@MattLunser
Жыл бұрын
Also, just FYI, you were the ONLY one who made the gain issue very clear. Other videos on this product were either incorrect in their assessment or didn't cover it. When I contacted my rep at Sweetwater to find out if the analog send was pre or post gain, it took a couple of days to hear back from their Behringer rep, and they even had it wrong. The rep said it was pre. While I was waiting to here from them, I tested the USB sends to Logic and realized "Analog" was post preamp, meaning the gain was set at the mixer, not the DAW. So I figured it would be the same with the 4816-O. Thanks again for the videos, they are very helpful!
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the lack of videos on this topic was very surprising. And I wanted to make sure to include that so people understood it. It’s super important! Thanks again Matt 🤘
@petterrong1590
8 ай бұрын
There is nothing called pre-gain. The rep probably thought you were thinking about pre/post fader.
@chrisjeaaalbertos3802
6 ай бұрын
I'm not sure how a signal that has been converted to digital and then back to analog could potentially be "pre gain". I indeed think the rep thought you meant pre processing etc, I would maybe have said the same thing if you'd asked me if the outputs on the 4816 are pre-gain. Yeah, they can be pre everything, pre highpass, pre eq, compression, everything. The fact that it goes into the XR18 and then comes back out should have been the giveaway pre gain is impossible
@MattLunser
6 ай бұрын
@@chrisjeaaalbertos3802 good grief, so sorry. It's not so much a "giveaway" hence why I asked the question. The fact that X-Air Edit labels the first pick point on the Ultranet tab as "Analog" caused me to wonder if it's "splitting" the signal like a analog splitter/stage box. Analog means.... get ready.... NOT DIGITAL. I didn't jump on the phone and mutter at the rep "is this pre-gain" and wait for an answer. I asked in detail, will this work like a splitter? Would my gain on the XR18 effect the signal sent to FOH, and the rep said it would not. I guess it was a waste of time for Scott to explain this in his video as its such a no brainer.
@kevinwang7894
Жыл бұрын
It's so nice when the band knows how to set the gain instead of just turning the knob until it feels about right! Makes it easier for everyone!
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely, or just one guy has control and knows how to gain stage and everyone else just mixes their ears by themselves 👍
@Iam_Dunn
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info! :) I’ve been using IEM’s since the early ‘90’s. It’s amazing to see the advances in tech. Although it can make setting up a pain, once that initial setup is dialled in, subsequent setups should be much quicker. To any budding musicians out there, get some IEM’s, it will help save your hearing. Just some friendly advice from an old, partially deaf rocker! :) ❤ from 🇨🇦 :) \m/, ,\m/
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
IEMs are probably THE best investment to make as a musician IMO 🤘
@DrummClem
Жыл бұрын
We are currently working on our own iem rig and your channel is always a hreat source of information. I decided to go the XR18 route, and now this seems to he the perfect alternative to snakes and such... And its easily available in Europe, unlike the seismic audio snakes. Thanks again for all your advices
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Glad to help! Just remember the gain info I go over in this video. That’s very important
@DrummClem
Жыл бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic your right, especially since we were quite surprised that the XR 18 required way more gain than our previous analog board
@mati-fena
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, this is my favorite sound related channel, you explain everything so clearly 🙌🏻
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad you are enjoying the channel!
@AenimusOfficial
7 ай бұрын
Hey Scott, I’m using this with my Xair18 to send all our instruments and tracks to FOH. Have you ran into the issue where all the odd numbered outputs are extremely noisy? Is it possible that could be fixed by a new Ethernet cable? Or do you think that would likely mean I got a defective unit?
@ScottUhlMusic
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I had that issue as well, and I replaced it and it works completely fine now. Although it was more random. But do try switching the cable to a Cat 5 cable though and see if that fixes it
@AenimusOfficial
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I will order a cat 5 for sure.
@TimOost
Жыл бұрын
Cries in Xair16 without that ultranet port. It would've saved so much patch cables and passive splitters.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Haha yup, it’s definitely worth the little extra money for that 18 if you can afford it. 16 is great, but the extra stuff with the 18 is worth it!
@tylerchatham6442
Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong but if you are sending these channels to a FOH that uses an X32 or any of the others in this series, couldn’t you run an Ethernet from the output of this unit to FOH and it work the same without an XLR snake?
@paullongden-musician7113
Жыл бұрын
That's what I thought!
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
That makes sense! I bet you could. It’s nice to have this as an option for say Allen and heath boards (which I see everywhere now). But I’m willing to be that would work. And the two would only share gain structure. But I’ve never tried it
@Alex-vp4ky
Жыл бұрын
So yes and no. I have done this setup using 2 x32’s or x32 rack. I believe it would work with s16/sd16 as well. But not with the small xair units. Because it requires the use 2 aes50 ports, which the smaller units dont have. And this is not using the ultranet port because that is using a “different language” than aes50. But basically the stage box that you would own has 2 ethernet ports A and B. Port A would be used for all of your gear, while port B would be sent to foh. In this config, both groups can have separate systems and control but not interfere with each others setup. Tho i do believe scott is correct when the gain structure will be shared between both consoles. But eq and sends and effects can be completely separate.
@OldChurchTechGuy
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to say that the X32/M32/XAir series of mixers cannot take Ultranet (a non-Ethernet priority protocol) as an input. The Ultranet ports on these mixers can only be used to output signals from the mixer.
@rustonfettig
Жыл бұрын
Definitely some great opportunities here, but unfortunately splitting gain is where you lost me. I've spoken to too many FOH people who explicitly said that splitting gain is not preferred. Where Do see some benefits here is if you have a larger rig, split into two rack cases, using one of these to reduce cables between your own rig.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I know, that’s the biggest downside for me. I do agree. Especially if you get people who do not know what they are doing. I’ve used this with 3 separate engineers and they were all cool with it. Definitely wish you could send pre gain though
@rustonfettig
Жыл бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic sending pre gain would be an absolute game changer. I appreciate you sharing all this knowledge nonetheless!
@chriscuthbertson
6 ай бұрын
The only real issue i see with this it that if there is an issue with the monitor rig (if it hangs or reboots) then this will effect FOH. in an analog split the show will just continue without monitors (if the sound guy has wedges already set up he can always use those in an emergency)
@ScottUhlMusic
6 ай бұрын
I guess that is true, yes. But I mean, if your mixer dies, there are a lot more problems than just that. But that is correct
@SamueleForte
Жыл бұрын
for xr18s that's actually genius, yes you cannot send pre-gain signal but that's ok in most cases
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@Albion12345
Жыл бұрын
If your foh is behringer though, could you bypass this device and send directly from the mixer on stage to the foh mixer with one ethernet cable? Update: it looks like you can do this using AES50 instead of Ultranet. Update again: apparently, this would only work if you have an x32 or m32 for both as the xr18 doesnt havd aes50. Still might be worthwhile, say in a church setting. An x32 rack would act as a stagebox plus you would be able to have completely separate mixing for inears.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Yup, that’s my understanding although I’ve never done it 👍
@Plipas
Жыл бұрын
If you are using Mixing Station your can also change the gain as there is the option of Regain --> kzitem.info/news/bejne/2Gpur4eCgqh_ZZw
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Wow that’s super cool! I had no idea that was an option. Thanks for sharing! 🤘🤘🤘
@rossimarti
Жыл бұрын
There HAS to be an easier, faster way with RF... but, it's RF and subject to interference. Imagine a concert near a power utility company's transformer station...
@audiotech3403
Жыл бұрын
Ultranet is a proprietary protocol used by Midas and Behringer. I don't think other brands will support it
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
That’s my understanding now as well. Thanks for sharing! I appreciate it!
@HamDrumss
11 ай бұрын
I’m blown away I’ve always needed more outputs who knew you could use the “p16” for that purpose
@MiguelLSilva-ef5is
Жыл бұрын
Great device. Solves my problem of sending to FOH the channels that I’m processing in my DAW + backing tracks also playing from DAW. Thanks for the video!
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Nice! Glad to help 🤘
@woutervanrenterghem570
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Do you know if it is possible to use this on a P16D hub ultranet output as well? Then it would also still be able to use the P16M personal monitors (even if it means that every band member will need to configure EQ and such on their individual P16M themselves)?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And honestly I do not know, as I haven’t used that one
@drungotutorials
Ай бұрын
I would like to know as well. I have 3 p16m, and i like the idea of the midas splitter. I would still like to use p16m not sure of setup with splitter. @ScottUhlMusic
@chriseke7204
5 ай бұрын
Thanks Scott, Eric & Dan, I never realised there was an easier way to split from Xr18. Im in the uk and everywhere is currently out of stock for this, but it makes sense to switch my old-school ms8000 splitters to save time space and hassle for myself and everyone I know who uses the old fashioned ways. Small bands dont need/can't afford X32's and stage boxes to split for Foh, and this will cut down the size and weight of our transportation and load-ins. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I shall share and pass on this knowledge to everyone I know (but not until I've got my hands on one first)
@pandavaas
Жыл бұрын
Great Video. Can we use it with Presonus 32R?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And my understanding now is no, you cannot use it with Presonus. I believe it’s just with behringer and Midas
@VisionOfDre
7 ай бұрын
For those with Presonus Studio mixers: Run a stereo output (tracks, keyboards, and split it mono into two separate channels (panned Left and Right. Create a mix and use the aux mix for monitors and Main as FOH. Aux will be for inears and receives both channels but FOH only receives right channel without cues or etc
@ScottUhlMusic
7 ай бұрын
This is correct 👍 that’s true for any mixer system and how you want to run your in ears
@bjarkenielsen8515
Жыл бұрын
How does the master and slave function work… when you need to output 32 channels? And how many mixers are needed for that? (More than just 1 sending and 1 receiving?)
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I only have one so I didn’t go into how to do master/slave. I would imagine in most situations 16 outputs would be completely fine if you aren’t using it as a splitter. With it as a splitter you might need up to 32 outputs
@Alex-vp4ky
Жыл бұрын
The master slave fuctions only apply when using the behringer wing console. This unit and the other 2 that scott showed (the 16 input and 8in/8out) are meant to be part of the “stageconnect” family of devices which doesnt work with the older “x-series” of stuff. The part scotts using and talking about is the ultranet function which is compatible with all current midas/behringer digital consoles. I dont have use/own a wing so i cant speak on how it works or how to apply use cases.
@GearWithJames
10 ай бұрын
Have you experienced any extreme noise from the output ports of the Midas unit? I just got mine and it’s got an unusable amount of noise coming from the ports
@ScottUhlMusic
10 ай бұрын
I did have that problem, but I think mine was damaged, so I replaced it and it works fine now. Make sure your settings are correct and only use a Cat5 cable
@GearWithJames
10 ай бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic , shoot... I returned the first one and still have the same issue with the new one. Feel like it's gotta be my cable or the X32 is bugging.
@bjarkenielsen8515
Жыл бұрын
It seems a firmware update with the 2 additional settings for both UltraNet and StageConnect protocols is appropriate: - Pregain - Pregain + M I might consider the product, if that firmware is ever released for both protocols
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I would be stoked!
@petterrong1590
8 ай бұрын
Explain what on earth "pregain" means? Before the signal is amped at all? That would just be sending nothing...
@BrandonWells
Жыл бұрын
me crying in xr16 😭
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
😅😅😅😅 hahaha that’s why I tell people to just spend the little extra and go for the 18! It’s definitely worth it
@BrandonWells
Жыл бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic I really should have lol I bought mine like 2 years ago and should have future proofed myself
@robbertj
Жыл бұрын
Nice trick - didn't know this either. I have a 'cold' 16 channel splitter - but with all the XLR patch cables it adds quite a bit of weight. Also, with the direct/cold splitter, we run the risk of '48V' confusion, so the responsibility for phantom power stays with FOH (we keep our XR18 48Vs off) - I assume this Midas 4816 unit doesn't have this problem as it runs over ethernet and is 'one way' from the mixer to FOH. Only challenge I see is maybe redundancy - with our cold splitter, I don't see more than one channel going dead, rather than the full 16. With this 4816 unit, that may be a problem, but is probably easily solved for 2U rack space and 700 bucks (2x 4816 units, 2 power supplies and 2 ethernet cables) while maintaining the weight, phantom power, and cable organization-advantages
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Man, I definitely should have included the phantom power proof with this as well. That’s an excellent point! And I am going to keep my redundancy as well with my old S8 splitter system. That way I have a way to split in for some reason they have a problem with this Midas setup. But so far everyone has been good 👍
@aleksandergrzybowski8899
Жыл бұрын
@robbertj How will that redundant setup work? I assume these units are daisy chained, so if primary dies, secondary won't get the Ethernet, or maybe this is real physical passthrough? Not sure...
@robbertj
Жыл бұрын
@@aleksandergrzybowski8899 i was just thinking keeping a spare 4816 unit in the rack (turned off), in case the fuse burns or something similar (power surges, etc). Same for power supply and ethernet cables (which probably fail much quicker than the actual unit itself) But I didn't think about Scotts' point - some impossible-to-troubleshoot digital issue might screw you over, and a spare 4816 unit probably is of no use either then. A combination of a 4816 unit and a backup analog splitter might be the 'clever' thing to do, but kills the weight/cabeling advantage. We'll just keep running with a single XR18 and single cold splitter for now and hope for the best. To be fair, we don't have backup basses, guitars, Helixes and Nord pianos either, so there are many more potential failure points in our operation anyway ;-) Come to think of it: the Main LR stereo out might be the main backup plan then for the splitter. So no fancy channel-split source copies for FOH but just a LR mix for FOH and let them have a free evening ;-)
@_lolalana_
Жыл бұрын
The ''the mic will flip to a talk back via midi'' part got me like: ''DAAAAM THIS IS SOOOO FUCKING FUN'' ahahahahah why we are like this, man... ahahahahah GREAT content hehehe
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Haha thanks! That midi talkback is super helpful for my bands! Took quite a while to figure out but I’m glad I did!
@davehockenberry
Жыл бұрын
This is a great setup for some, but it has a couple of potential downsides: A) as a splitter snake, this adds your IEM DigMixer + 4816 as active components in the chain to front of house. If either fails, FoH is offline as well. Using passive splitter snakes can avoid this issue. B) Ultranet supports 16 channels, so if you are using P16M for some players (for example), using this for splitter would reduce channels for the P16 or the Splitter, as they have to share the 16 ch.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
That’s true for both. To me, it’s worth it and the pros out weigh the cons for me. But it might not be true for everyone. Thanks for commenting 🤘
@stevecunningham7136
Жыл бұрын
So just confirming - if I want to use a P16M as well, I can't just use the ultranet out on the 4816 to then run a cable to the P16M also?
@KLRCAT
Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting FOREVER for something like this to come out 😁
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
It’s such a great setup!
@ironblast5
Жыл бұрын
Make sure to update to the latest firmware older firmware didnt allow 1to1 grid mapping
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Ah good to know!
@pauldunnett6225
11 ай бұрын
Your videos are simple to follow and great quality.
@ScottUhlMusic
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@ronniemwagner
9 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@ScottUhlMusic
9 күн бұрын
Thanks man! I sincerely appreciate that 🤘🤘
@ericdano
Жыл бұрын
See, told ya it works
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely very grateful you told me about it! 🤘🤘 Just used it again tonight. Works like a charm. Thanks again!
@TheXIT
Ай бұрын
Hi Scott, Thanks for all your great videos. if we're using the 4816-O for IEM's how do we control our individual IEM mix? Also, when using for a splitter is there any danger to the gear if FOH turns on Phantom Power? (I wonder if that a concern with a regular passive splitters like the Seismic Audio splitter I already own.) Thank you! -Vincent
@ScottUhlMusic
Ай бұрын
This is how you setup your ears; kzitem.info/news/bejne/uYegrJyhioaHg20si=wxtuac2w8HGuDrlb And with the Midas you won’t have to worry about phantom power 👍
@ryancoltonmusic
13 күн бұрын
Could this be used on an XR18 not necessarily as a splitter to FOH, but to create more physical Aux outputs (past the 6 already on that board) to create more stereo IEM mixes than what would currently be available (3 using the 6 existing aux outs)?
@ScottUhlMusic
13 күн бұрын
You won’t be able to “add” new aux outs or IEM sends on the xr18. You get 6 only with that unit
@ukidabek
Жыл бұрын
Ultranet is a bheringer/midas thing.
@rcolonb2
Ай бұрын
Hi. I am looking into digital mixers for our band (we play casual gigs very few times a year and practice 2 times per month). Would you buy today the Behringer X Air xr18 (even if this is a +\- 9 yr old technology) but at this price of $459.00 that they have it this week at the “Sweet…” store? I think its a deal.
@ScottUhlMusic
Ай бұрын
Absolutely! And yeah it just went on sale, that’s one hell of a deal for that mixer!
@meirabass
2 ай бұрын
Hey, Scott. First of all, a huge thumbs up for all your instructional and review videos. I'm pretty sure they're helping a lot of people out there. A quick question: do you think it's possible to combine/use two DN 4816 with an Behringer X32r and have a total of 32 separate outs to send to FOH? Or will the mixer only accept 16 outs as maximum? I'm planing to build a dedicated rack for IEM 's (to use live/on rehearsals) and if it works it would simplify a lot the connections on the rack (I'm aware that I can use regular splitters, but it will also require a lot of cables for the rack internal connections) Thanks a lot for your work and dedication to this channel. Greetings from Portugal
@ScottUhlMusic
2 ай бұрын
Thanks! And honestly I don’t know as I’ve only used one. So I would reach out to Midas. Planning/hoping to visit Portugal for my birthday next year! 🤞
@dickson7095
11 ай бұрын
Please can this work with SOUNDCRAFT UI24R
@ScottUhlMusic
11 ай бұрын
No it doesnt
@yigitcihanoglu
4 ай бұрын
Can we set the gain seperatly like outs from midas and outs from behringer? I mean can we use outs of midas for FOH and AUX outs of behringer for just IEMs?
@ScottUhlMusic
4 ай бұрын
If you use this system, the gain is the same
@DonnyBartoo
8 ай бұрын
Would the DN4888 work the same way if I don't have a physical input on the XR18 but basically just have the inputs Infront to be easier for plug and play?
@ScottUhlMusic
8 ай бұрын
I’m not quite sure I understand what you mean
@smellytele9629
Жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity; would a fanned snake be absolutely needed? Couldn't FOH plug into straight into the MIDAS 4816-O? Label each out on the Midas?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I believe they technically could if they also had a Midas, yes
@wesleyclarke9059
3 ай бұрын
Liked and subbed!!! Thank you, would this work with a behringer xr16?
@ScottUhlMusic
3 ай бұрын
Thanks! And no, the 16 does not have the Ultranet port
@OldChurchTechGuy
Жыл бұрын
There is currently no mixer - of any brand - that can take Ultranet as an input. Ultranet (and AES50 for that matter) are not Ethernet compatible protocols even though they use Ethernet cables. To share with other brands of mixers, you need to use MADI or Dante, and even then you very likely need a special (I.e., expensive) interface card for the mixer.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’ve gathered from the comments. I appreciate it! Thanks for sharing
@vanduailo9598
Жыл бұрын
Said an old tech guy, who doesn’t understand how the router works
@keithholmes2326
Жыл бұрын
Hi I’ve got an A&H SQ5 and an A&H AR2412 with digital snake connection for FOH. What mixer can I use for monitors (in ear or physical) - if I use one of the rack QU mixers can I do the signal tap on the SQ5 to route to the QU for monitoring? Thanks very much.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
That I don’t know
@petterrong1590
8 ай бұрын
- Ultranet is a Music Group thing, so only Behringer, Midas, Klark and Turbosound will have that protocol - How did you think you're supposed to get 32 channels out of a protocol that only supports 16? Adding a second unit just mirrors the same outputs as the first one. You need to use the stageconnect system for this, which is not supported on neither X32 nor XR18. See that big switch where you've set it to "Ultranet"? That means you can't use StageConnect at the same time for both inputs and outputs. - Analog + M. I hope this is a planned decision with your dedicated sound engineer, or is solely for the talkback mic. Because this is basically taking away control from FOH. Why on earth a FOH engineer would give up control of mute on a channel is beyond me - Yeah, it shares gain, and if you intend to tour with this rig, expect to get turned down by house engineers. This solutions means that FOH have to use your preamps, your gain setting, going through several steps of AD/DA conversion and a line level output. BIG no-no. Analog split is the way to go, only way to separate the signals and have full control with own preamp. This is like surrendering all control. If it clips on your preamp, there's absolutely nothing FOH can do. If anything at all is wrong on your end, FOH is fricked. I have no idea how you managed to find two engineers that didn't mind surrendering all control to you. - Although I strongly oppose this way of splitting with same pre-amps, if you really want to do it this way and you're prepared to get sweared at by house engineers, there is a way to adjust trim instead of gain. The reason it doesn't let you have separate gain is because it's only one pre-amp. It's physical. You can't have two different gains. There is nothing called pre-gain. That would just be a silent signal. If you use X32, switch to digital trim instead of gain, and you won't disturb FOH. - What is meant by "Unity gain" when referring to preamp gain? Unity gain is level balancing of input and output. Preamp is made to not be unity, but to boost the level. Could you clarify what process you and the sound engineer did? - I'm not that experienced with XR18, but on X32 you can just set selected outputs to "off". And even if this isn't an option on XR18, why don't you just route some other channel, like USB 18 to all outputs you don't need? Why route several channels so that you have to remember to keep of their faders? - IN/LC yes, this is actually a big misstep by Behringer. It would be understandable for certain older systems, where the low cut is digitally controlled, but is actually analog and pre-conversion. Their lowcut is not analog and is post-conversion. There is absolutely no good reason that they should include low-cut as part of that tap point. It means that FOH will get the lowcut that is applied in the IEM mixer. The block diagram even shows that there is (or at least there was a plan to make) a pre-lowcut tap point, but it doesn't exist anywhere on the current firmware. Such a shame.
@ScottUhlMusic
8 ай бұрын
I get comments like this…. But since this video came out, every single engineer has been fine with it. Our signal does not clip because I know how to gain stage, and they basically just get a line level signal from us and we don’t touch the gain. They still can do literally everything else, it’s just that the signal comes out already gain staged. They can put on a pad if they need to. This works amazingly well for me, and I’ll continue to use it. No engineer had “turned me down” for this. But do what works best for you. Cheers 👍
@ConxurOz27
6 ай бұрын
Why not use aux outputs for IEM? and route the outputs for stereo monitoring?
@ScottUhlMusic
6 ай бұрын
You could do that on the x32. But with the behringer xr18, you get 6 aux sends and that’s it, you don’t get more aux/bus channels even with this
@autochesstv5870
8 ай бұрын
Im a little bit confuse bcoz im a newbie, i got a question sir, what if i put an active speakers in output 1 in DN4816, can i assign for example channel 1 to 5 in xr18 that i want to heart it? Or the whole 18 channels sound?/output? Or i can only hear channel 1 bcoz i only plug it into output 1 in DN48?
@ScottUhlMusic
8 ай бұрын
The way I use it is whatever is in channel 1 or the xr18 goes out channel 1 on the 4816. Channel 2 if the 18 goes out the 4816, etc.
@daltonjazz
4 ай бұрын
Now that you've had a chance to try the Presonus rack mixer, I'd love to see an AVB splitter solution. The closest thing I've found so far is the Motu 24Ao and DB-25 snakes, but am curious to hear about other solutions if they are out there for those of us on Presonus based rigs.
@ScottUhlMusic
4 ай бұрын
I’ll have to check to see if one of those exist for the Presonus, that would be very cool since it would be 2u total for mixer and splitter
@dixonstudios
7 күн бұрын
Does this unit allow each band member to create their own individual mixes ? If so, you may want to make a video on how to do that.
@ScottUhlMusic
7 күн бұрын
That’s not what this unit is for. This unit is for splitting to FOH (at least that’s how I use it). Here’s a video about setting up your IEM rack with everyone with their own mix: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uYegrJyhioaHg20si=xow0qtgyqdH4EcvK
@AndyGeroldMusic
7 ай бұрын
How did you control "mute" via midi ? Is there a CC list for commands?Thanks for the video!
@ScottUhlMusic
7 ай бұрын
Yup, I’m working on a video about it. I believe it’s midi channel 2 controls the mutes. I do that in my talkback video here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zZif0quVbWtigXYsi=9EvlN0nrKe4px5bG
@jouebien
Жыл бұрын
The first rule of bringing your own IEM rig: thou should have a passive split - no one at FOH want's to share a pre-amp. Note: Ultranet is not Ethernet. Ethernet is a networking standard. While they share the same physical connectors/cable they are not compatible. Please do no use Ethernet to describe CAT cable terminated with RJ45 connectors because you confuse the shit out of the new commers.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I’m getting quite a few comments saying how FOH will never accept this… however, I’ve done this with multiple different FOH engineers and they’ve all been cool with it 🤷 I do appreciate the input on what the correct type of cable is that will work for this 👍
@BICHOFilipe
6 ай бұрын
Hello friends, can anyone clarify a doubt? My band uses an xr18 and I am connected to it via an RJ45 network cable and with the Behringher in ear P16m, can I connect this splitter to my P16m or do I have to connect it to the xr18 output first and then link it to the P16m? Thanks
@tedchoi8488
5 ай бұрын
If I would use this in Yamaha, should I purchase xr18 and use as second mixer to use p16?
@ScottUhlMusic
5 ай бұрын
This cannot be used with the Yamaha, at least I don’t believe so
@NateHillMusic
10 ай бұрын
Hey Scott! So did the 4816 replace both of your S8 3-way splitters?
@ScottUhlMusic
10 ай бұрын
I still have the S8 as a backup, but for the most part I use the 4816 🤘 I always have backup options
@JosephAnidjar
5 ай бұрын
I've never had a tougher time trying to buy a product. this thing is back ordered everywhere
@Johnseeterlin
Жыл бұрын
I would totally be down with a solution like this, but the only deal breaker for me is really the sharing of the gain, and I hope a firmware update fixes it in the future. The gain staging on my in ear mixer is pretty bazaar for some channels because it’s based on sound preferences of the individual players. Too many times I’ve had to adjust the gain of a player’s instrument in the in ear mixer during sound check to compensate for inconsistencies in their pedals or lack of headroom on their fader in changing venues when they claim nothing as changed on their stuff. (I’m slowly trying to get everyone on helix 😂) Also my guitar player brings a super hot signal out of his helix to begin with, that he doesn’t want to mess with in the ears, because he likes the sound of it. So I have to physically put -25db pads on the outputs for what I give to front of house as there are some venues who may still not be using digital mixers yet and I don’t want to give them something unusable. Having a split that doesn’t share anything with the in ear split makes me rest easy that whatever gets messed up in the in ears, at least that’s not happening to front of house at the same time. Great video as always, Scott!
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And yeah, I really hope eventually there is an option to do this pre gain. But as long as you don’t adjust after it’s set, you should be good 👍 Still, I definitely would love to send it pre gain
@LanderVandenBulcke
Жыл бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic There won't (can't) be, if you look at the block diagram in the XR18 manual, you'll see that the HA gain is actually a (digitally controlled) analog gain which happens before the analog to digital conversion. In other words, the mixer can only digitally route or send the signal somewhere _after_ it has passed through the gain stage. So no, not possible to add this through a firmware update as it's a hardware limitation. That's actually true for any digital console I'm aware of: preamp is analog, then there's an anolog to digital converter, anything after that happens digitally.
@AndyGeroldMusic
Жыл бұрын
I'm confused. Are you talking about the input gain? Or the channel volume?
@LanderVandenBulcke
Жыл бұрын
@@AndyGeroldMusic input gain
@JordanEsker
Жыл бұрын
this was also the real breaker for me. I literally bought an s16 in addition to do exactly what this is doing and realized after that it wouldn’t do pre-gain output, so i sold the s16 and went with splitters
@murraywebster1228
5 ай бұрын
Ultranet ist just AES67 using channels 33 to 48, so you can just run a cat cable to another desk and use either A or B input, but only as long as you get a clock signal, don’t see why not
@ScottUhlMusic
5 ай бұрын
I honestly don’t know
@TidalCreek-go6zn
Ай бұрын
Can my band mates control their own IEM mix via their phones? If so how is that done?
@ScottUhlMusic
Ай бұрын
Yup, I use mixing station: kzitem.info/news/bejne/w32ZtaKYjnibdGUsi=S7BRwKsotcBzkjpR
@vboutique2188
7 ай бұрын
So are you using this rather than a p16 personal monitor? You can't use this splitter to gain additional aux / bus mixes for individual iem mixes correct?
@ScottUhlMusic
7 ай бұрын
I haven’t used the p16, so I’m not sure how it works with that. But I still use this for my splitter and it works great!
@AllenMarkel
5 ай бұрын
Scott, are you using the Midas unit still, or going with 2 ART S3s?
@ScottUhlMusic
5 ай бұрын
Yup! Still use it. It works great! I kept the art 8 as a back up since it was already in the rack. But I use this as my main one and it hasn’t let me down 🤘
@RedneckSpaceman
26 күн бұрын
I hate in-ear monitors!! Bring back the wedges!!!
@ScottUhlMusic
25 күн бұрын
No chance I would ever go back to wedges after switching to IEMs 👍
@AundreHamilton
Жыл бұрын
Scott, when it goes out of your splitter, how do you hear it? What device do you use for your in-ear? Edited: I'm assuming you actually have the XR18 close by with the band and use the aux outputs to your in-ears, correct? For a second I thought FOH had the XR18 and you had the splitter. I understand now. Great video!
@tomtomson9916
Жыл бұрын
nice solution! i guess, this is limited to split out 16 channels due to the Ultranet/P16 routing table? i need 32 channels...
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I believe just 16…. At least with the xr18, I need to look into doing this with the 32, but I believe it’s only 16
@robfriedrich2822
6 ай бұрын
The families Vox and Guit plays together in one band...
@angelbetances
10 ай бұрын
Hey Scott, is there a way to add more inputs to the XR18 using a method like this?
@ScottUhlMusic
10 ай бұрын
No, you don’t get more inputs, the xr18 only has 18 inputs
@alonzojt
Жыл бұрын
Great video man! I noticed this device a few weeks ago and now I know I'm gonna buy this one instead of two Art Pro Audio Splitters. Much quicker and cleaner setup. Altough I have to say that I'm afraid Ultranet is a Midas/Behringer proprietary protocol so it works only with those mixers. That's it. For other mixers you would need other devices working with something like DANTE or MADI protocols, provided those mixers can work with those protocols.
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Yup, it does appear that’s a proprietary system. It was hard to find details about this device online, so thanks for letting me know! Definitely a bummer it doesn’t work with other systems, but great for us Behringer/Midas users!
@alonzojt
Жыл бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic it is indeed. I personally use the Ultranet protocol to feed a Powerplay P-16M module that is a very affordable monitoring device. I think I can daisy chain them to have a) a good wired monitoring and b)split the signal to send to FOH.
@Phil-tt7em
4 ай бұрын
Hello, my in ear monitor system (mymix)needs a preamp to get the mics signal into the in ear system. If I do not use my preamp and use only the midas splitter will that work for my in ear monitor?
@ScottUhlMusic
4 ай бұрын
Your in ears need a preamp? I’ve never heard of that
@EqDior
2 ай бұрын
For those Foh engineers who have run into gain(volume to low) staging issues and the show has already started. What ive done before to adjust volume is boost the makeup gain on the compressor. Its not ideal, but has definitely helped many times. Fyi this is only needed if you are not running a split to another mixer and mixing remotely with the app.
@JefferyJMarshall
5 ай бұрын
Is there a unit like this for the presonus studiolive 16?
@ScottUhlMusic
5 ай бұрын
Not that I know of
@athenkosimlindazwe
Ай бұрын
Can this work with the Mackie analogue mixer?
@ScottUhlMusic
Ай бұрын
No it wont
@jacobarnett5453
6 ай бұрын
Can you use it with the s32 stage box for the x32 digital rack and also how would you be able to do that?
@ScottUhlMusic
6 ай бұрын
Yup, I use this with my S16 with my X32r. The s16 goes into the AES50 port and the Midas 4816 goes into the Ultranet port. Works great!
@here2456
Жыл бұрын
Will that splitter only work with System with Ultranet . Or can it be connected to a mixer with Dante?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
It’s only for Ultranet
@bosko145
2 ай бұрын
hi scott i cant pair my behringer xr 12 with cable via adapter to android samsung tablet is there any additional settings
@ScottUhlMusic
2 ай бұрын
You cannot use this with the xr12 or 16. Only the 18. I mention that in the video
@stinga876marshall9
Жыл бұрын
Will bus channel on the xr18 itself still be functional simultaneously?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
This doesn’t effect the bus channels at all 👍
@smellytele9629
Жыл бұрын
are you still using this with no problems or issues with FOH folks?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Yup, it’s been working great, and I just communicate to FOH ahead of time. I did have to return it for another one because it had a defective part of it, but sweetwater is great about that stuff. It’s working well 🤘
@LEVEL-rd4ey
6 ай бұрын
is there a way for each member of the band to hear something different that is not heard by the audience, for example the vocalist can hear a certain melody that is from the internet and not played by the band and the back vocalist should hear another melody that is not played by the band and not the lead vocalist's melody and everyone should have an individual melody that they hear in their ears
@ScottUhlMusic
6 ай бұрын
Yup, I have a video on it: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uYegrJyhioaHg20si=_WZnSaMxRzOpT0PT
@streetbl
8 ай бұрын
Does this introduce any latency? Thanks so much!
@ScottUhlMusic
8 ай бұрын
No, it does not 🤘
@cjleongson
5 ай бұрын
What does the input version do? The output splits the inputs into 2, but what about the input version?
@ScottUhlMusic
5 ай бұрын
I haven’t used it personally
@LukaPanik
9 ай бұрын
Great video, but only for Midas or Behringer users.
@ScottUhlMusic
9 ай бұрын
That is correct 👍
@brandoncrenshaw
Жыл бұрын
So i understand the split. But i never saw the Iem system. How is that routed?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
Watch my video here to understand that: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uYegrJyhioaHg20si=9LM0qxoKjdQ0KjP3
@mati-fena
5 күн бұрын
Hi Scott, Hope you’re doing great!, I’ve been reading in some forums about this device, because I really wanted to buy it, only one cable to have 16more outputs to use as a splitter, is amazing, but lot of people say that as its outputs are line level signal, it is a problem for foh operators. Have you had this problem at any show? Would Have to connect every output to a di box? Or could it be connected to the xlr inputs of another console (for example the x32).. it will use its preamps, but could it be fixed by turning down the gain knob in the foh mixer? .. sorry my English is a mess 😅
@ScottUhlMusic
5 күн бұрын
It’s not “line level” but it’s “post gain.” I’ve only had an issue going into Allen and Heath mixers because for some reasons they don’t have a “pad” setting, which I don’t get. But other than that it’s worked great! I just tell the FOH it comes out pretty hot and/or “post gain” 👍
@mati-fena
5 күн бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic oh great 👍 thank you Scott
@jmjimenez47
7 ай бұрын
Will this same setup work with qu-16 mixers ?
@ScottUhlMusic
7 ай бұрын
I believe it’s just for behringer and midas
@janassink9118
Жыл бұрын
Hi Scott , very good explanation of it works you , however you talk in your tempo how you use to talk , its goes a little to fast for a dutch guy like me ihave to rerun it everytime how routed in the mix station app . For the rest you,ve been a lot of help👍👍
@monthra1172
10 ай бұрын
If you really need to label your input list then I mean cmon it’s pretty easy to remember any import list especially on 32 ch consoles lol
@shifty2813
Жыл бұрын
Can you use a P16 distributor to send ultranet to p16 iems and the splitter at the same time?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know, I don’t use the P16
@luks_-vj8yb
2 ай бұрын
great!
@StanleySerrano
Жыл бұрын
Hey I have a question… when you used the iPad version of the Behringer app… did it work properly? Did they fix the iOS 16 issue??
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
I use mixing station now. I highly recommend that instead of the behringer app.
@Randallewilliams
Жыл бұрын
fan FUCKING TASTIC THIS IS AMAZEBALLS
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🤘
@tooomasz
3 ай бұрын
Isn't it a problem that the whole FOH sound is coming through the mixer, or actually through its ethernet monitoring out? Doesn't the FOH sound... Worse? Sounds like an amazing, but potentially faulty solution...
@ScottUhlMusic
3 ай бұрын
No, it works very well! Audio over Cat5 is quite incredible and powerful
@tooomasz
3 ай бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic Wow, sounds super cool then! I think we'll give this a try with my band!
@FabioPoianMusic
4 ай бұрын
Has anyone experienced issues with extreme noise coming out of this unit? I am now considering basically not using the DN4816-O anymore and going back to passive analog splitting(regrettably cause when the unit works it works great and saves so much hassle). More than a few times at venues I would experience either a loud noise coming from even or odd numbered channels or a drop in signal(usually all even or all odd channels would be 12dB lower in volume, despite the level coming in evenly on my mixer and sounding right in my IEMs coming out of my mixer’s Auxes). Looking at forums it does seem like a common issue with this unit unfortunately. A lot of times unplugging the unit or the Ethernet cable and re plugging it solved the issue - but I can’t be stressing out pre show because I won’t know what mood my unit is in on that moment. I am using my DN4816-O with a Midas MR18, plugging it into a power conditioner and using shielded cat5 cables. I hope someone has any tips regarding this issue because it really frustrates me.
@ScottUhlMusic
4 ай бұрын
I did have that issue when I first got it, and I returned it for another one. That solved the issue and I haven’t had any problems since then. Thats interesting that it wasn’t just my unit then…. That’s good to know! When it did happen I just unplugged it and plugged it back in and that did fix it. But returning it and with the new one I never have that issue anymore. I wonder what that could be since it wasn’t just a faulty unit. Thanks for letting me know!
@FabioPoianMusic
4 ай бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic Oh wow!!It seems a pretty common problem then, I found a few people on forums have had our same issue with the 4816-O. I am still confused on what it could be as I tried everything (various Cat5/Cat6 cables, keeping the unit on after soundcheck, turning it on just before the gig, plugging it into the same power as the mixer vs separate ones, etc) and nothing seems to be doing the trick 100% of the times. I think I am too PTSD’d by some of the bad experiences to ever use it again, technology should remove worries for us, not add problems that weren’t there before using it. Analog splitter it is for me!
@jobstmonter3910
9 ай бұрын
Nice Tool…….i think on your console you can lock the gain 🤔
@ScottUhlMusic
9 ай бұрын
I do need to look to see if I can!
@junejhunkie
Жыл бұрын
Can you have an stereo aux if you link two outputs? and have a stereo aux for an iem?
@ScottUhlMusic
Жыл бұрын
No, that would not work
@junejhunkie
Жыл бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic Thank's for the reply Scott. I could probably still use this like how you used yours regardless.
@Bobby_Uterus
4 ай бұрын
Hey man, sorry for all the comments/questions. I have two of these boxes. I had planned to mount one in the IEM rack and have the second in a smaller rack case for more flexibility. I have however been hesitant to swap out our analog splitter because of the shared gain between the IEM rack and FOH. Have you got any shit from FOH since this video because of the shared gain? I’m just on the fence about swapping. It sure would clean up the rack a bit.
@ScottUhlMusic
4 ай бұрын
I haven’t, I just tell them the signal comes out at line level and a few channels need to be padded down possibly (depending on their mixer). It’s been fine. Sound guys are either great or awful usually, so it just depends.
@Bobby_Uterus
4 ай бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks Scott, I appreciate the reply.
@aamirsy
6 ай бұрын
I'm new to this, so this might be a dumb question. But is Ultranet bidirectional? Looking at a traditional floor splitter, we have a series of inputs that you match up with the mixer. And then two sides of the splitter. One for your mixer and one for FOH. With this, all I see is the Ultranet cable into the splitter. and then to FOH. Where do we plug in all of our stage gear? directly into the Behringer mixer?
@ScottUhlMusic
6 ай бұрын
I’ve only used Ultranet for this tbh, so I’m not sure. But I’m pretty sure it’s bi directional. We go into the mixer and then out via the MIDAS. I also have an S16 stage box that works very well 👍
@aamirsy
6 ай бұрын
@@ScottUhlMusic Thank you for clearing that up. So if I show up to a venue with this IEM rig (Behringer XR18 and Midas 4816-O splitter). I plug the mics on stage (all drums/guitars/vocals) directly into my (clearly labeled) Behringer inputs. And then The Midas 4816-O into FOH?
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