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@79t13loiseau9
Жыл бұрын
Shelise is awesome and so are you!. Intelligent content with an opportunity to learn from others. And yes I was raised Mormon. I taught my kids differently.
@gigi1332
Жыл бұрын
I am a ex Mormon convert of 40 years. Finding out I was lied to about EVERYTHING left me very broken. These leaders know that they have lied to the world about everything. KZitem the excommunication of Jeremy Reynolds.
@PirateRadioPodcasts
Жыл бұрын
FUN FACT - Mormonism = Crypto-Freemasonry.
@1pussychicken
Жыл бұрын
Dear Andrew, Excellent interview with an informative and very intelligent woman. Who is Emma Lum or Lund? I Googled her and couldn't find anyone cultish??
@kayperie8934
Жыл бұрын
Exmo-srm
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for having me on, Andrew! This was so much fun! I could go on for days about this stuff 😂 you’re awesome!🙌
@AndrewGold1
Жыл бұрын
Any time! You da best!
@marty29uk
Жыл бұрын
You’re such a lovely genuine person. Super positive vibes. What a real story and inspiring journey. Thank you
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
@@marty29uk that means a lot! Thank you, Marty! 🥰
@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
@@CultstoConsciousness My question is that since leaving the Cult of Josef Smith, have you abandoned the Christian faith altogether? Because that would be both tragic and sad.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
@@morticiag hi! While I’m sure you have good intentions, categorizing and judging my life as tragic or sad, with no real understanding of what my life is like outside of a belief system, is actually the sad part. I do believe in God, but not the judgement day-follow my commandments- one you believe in. So maybe that might not make the cut for you to be happy for me, even if I’m a good person, have good intentions, and live a happy life. Loving people for being people is the type of unconditional love I speak on. Not conditional love and acceptance based on a man-made belief system.
@MarilynHonig
Жыл бұрын
Yay! Ive been looking forward to this, I adore Shelise! Im not an ex Mormon, but Im a survivor of an abusive Pentecostal commune/cult. I can really relate so much to exmos, exscns and exjws
@PawsForAndrea
Жыл бұрын
Marilyn, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve experienced something similar to Shelise & others. Maybe reach out to her, as we’d be interested in hearing more about if, if you’re up to sharing your experiences. (Not everyone is, understandably so.) I recognize your name from SPTV! 💙
@candyolson2871
Жыл бұрын
My heartfelt empathy to you Marilyn. There are NUMEROUS cult-like churches. I attended an Evangelical/Charismatic for over 20 years. I n November 2016 to present, I began to really see what the core members and the "olde boy" covering (in the name of their god) by weaponing bible scriptures. The "perfect purity ring oath" all the preteens took before a church dedication. It did not work at all. There was even a 14 year girl who got pregnant by a 17 year old youth group church leader's kids.
@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
@@candyolson2871 there are so many spinoff Cults from Christianity because the Enemy of Christ does not want people following the Christ of the Gospel x
@candyolson2871
Жыл бұрын
@@morticiag Not only that but the enemy of well intentioned organized religion.
@KathyJensen-vh2yk
Жыл бұрын
I am survivor of women and children sex trafficking . Unfortunately my son didn't survive . Law enforcement mastermind and manipulate his murder. I'm fighting for Justice .
@veritylove212
Жыл бұрын
Great conversation. What a eye-opener. Shelise is a breath of fresh air and I love her consciousness. Many of us go through trials and tribulations, good to see her come out smelling like a rose. 💜
@heidirobinson3352
Жыл бұрын
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
@Alsatiagent
Жыл бұрын
@@heidirobinson3352 Bit of a non sequitur you've dropped there, Heidi.
@ingeborgswieten3710
Жыл бұрын
Well said.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you so much! I appreciate that ❤️
@Lisa-x3n5x
Жыл бұрын
Shelise is the best advocate for skin care without knowing it. No coffee or alcohol. Glorious skin! And a lovely personality with keen intelligence. Thanks for having her as a guest, Andrew.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Haha thank you, Lisa! Made me smile 😁 if I may be an advocate for celery juice 😂 I always had troubles with acne and after a year of straight celery juice every morning, it completely disappeared and started glowing. I’m sure the no alcohol helps too though 😜 thank you for your sweet compliments ❤️
@jojowynne233
Жыл бұрын
I love Shelise! I’ve never seen or heard of her before until this interview but she had me captivated. Shelise was able to tell her story of being put through terrible guilt, shame, fear and despair, with humour and honesty. She didn’t mince her words and her message was received loud and clear. I’ll be checking out her channel now. I did see your eyebrows raise twice Andrew when Shelise was recounting her experience with the bishops punishment for the oral sex incident, and she said her mind was blown 😂
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Jo Jo! You’re so sweet! Thank you so much. I really appreciate your compliments. I never know how my frankness is being received 😂 some people are shocked at my blunt language and others appreciate it. So, thank you for your comments ❤️🙏
@jojowynne233
Жыл бұрын
@@CultstoConsciousness you’re very welcome! It’s all true. Except the autocorrect that made it read “she didn’t mice her words” instead of mince. 😂 I got to fix that. Oh and the fake Andrew that replied too. 😂❤️
@actualkarenokboomer3158
Жыл бұрын
I was raised Southern Baptist and back in the 70s we had a preacher said that if someone told you what they believed and it wasn't what you believed you should say , "LIAR, LIAR". I taught 12 year old girls in Sunday School and they asked if I would do that. I said, "no, because if someone is telling you what they believe is true, they are not liars. They could be wrong or misinformed, but not liars. To lie you must know the truth, believed and say something else to deceive."
@joward481
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew & Shelise 👏👏. Really enjoyed that such an interesting story ❤.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jo! Glad you enjoyed it!
@warriorofthelight711
Жыл бұрын
my 83 yr old mother is mormon and her Calling in the ward JANITOR. yes folks, true story!! my 83 yr old life-long faithful mormon mother cleans bathrooms, vacuums, and takes the trash out every week all by herself. my dad helps her as much as he can but hes old too and has his own calling thats always demanding on time.ugh makes me soooo mad...i feel its a slap in the face to a woman who devotes her life and 10% of her income to this ridiculous church. they are certaining wealthy enough to hire a janitor, or give the calling to someone younger. booooooo the mormon institution.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Wow!! This is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s so awful to hear that. They can ABSOLUTELY afford to pay a cleaning service.
@devadii24
Жыл бұрын
They probably justify it with her serving the church and meanwhile they are taking advantage of a senior citizen 😢
@AwakeNotWoke5139
Жыл бұрын
I grew up in a strict Christian home. I'm actually a little shocked at how much I related to her story 😮
@Munchkin.199.-.
Жыл бұрын
Another great interview, it’s amazing just what power so many religions actually have .
@dorettekotze2061
Жыл бұрын
yes religions like evolution and woke nonsins
@ingeborgswieten3710
Жыл бұрын
Yes😢 so dividing 😞
@stevemundy7591
Жыл бұрын
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@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
Mormonism isn't just a religion, it's a CULT. And the Militant ATHEIST regimes of China and North Korea are CULTS too....
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
@@dorettekotze2061 thank you! 😁❤️
@JoBanks
Жыл бұрын
Great interview, Andrew 🙌 Thank you. I often listen to Shelise. She's a wonderful interviewer too and also covers interesting and important topics.
@SuzanneT53
11 ай бұрын
I see myself in this episode SO much and I was raised a Southern Baptist. Sexuality is something heavily shamed in this religion and it has definitely been a huge hurdle for me in my adult life. I am also on my path to finding what I believe and how to experience it the best I can. Thank-you Andrew for such a great episode!
@ElsjeMassyn
Жыл бұрын
I'm not Mormon but I dont enjoy alcohol. It makes me feel unwell. I can have just as much without it than with it. I am also very smiley ... its contageous looking friendly. I see it whereever I go. Everyone wants to greet me and make small talk and the first thing I hear is. I LOVE YOUR SMILE.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
I love that!
@afterthestorm221
Жыл бұрын
Although not raised a Mormon, I experienced conditional friendship and community as well. To me, the church community seemed more concerned with where my soul was headed, and not what I was suffering through in the here and now.
@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
Glad you've found fellow Atheists who are concerned for you and your soul .... 😂😂
@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
Tell your Atheist friend that you believe in Jesus and you don't believe in aborting or transitioning children, and see if their love for you is unconditional or conditional?
@sandinielsen4401
Жыл бұрын
All these anomalies conditional this and that. My caring for others has no contract. It must be hurtful to be manipulated into these conditional activities. I stick to the do no harm mantra, I was gifted as a child.
@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
@@sandinielsen4401 okay. But more charities have been started by Churches and by Christians than by Atheists .
@reneeb8347
Жыл бұрын
Great interview! Thanks.
@marionmoulton5847
Жыл бұрын
Loved this interview!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
😁❤️🙌
@actingqween
Жыл бұрын
The creators of South Park lived in Colorado, in a high Mormon area, so they know a lot about Mormonism, but they are not Mormon themselves. Also, Song of Solomon has tons of sex stuff in it. Tons.
@actingqween
Жыл бұрын
@@hannahreynolds7611 You don't have to like it, for it to still be there. Just being frank.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Ahhh that makes sense!!
@theratrace5826
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure one of them is ex-mo.
@actingqween
Жыл бұрын
@@theratrace5826 You are incorrect.
@sunnyadams5842
Жыл бұрын
I'm so into this chick. I'm ex-Mormon, too and know ALOT about the Rules and Word of Wisdom stuff and she tells The Whole Story of the traditions. About the coffee thing (hot drinks), I would have said all that almost word for word!! Funny - I took up smoking and coffee when I left The Church. I'd always liked coffee, so I indulged. The cigs - It was rebellion at first but I like it, so... I don't much but it feels good. And we have the 'still don't drink alcohol's thing in common.!! Funny...😅 Good guest, Andrew. That was fun!!!!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Hey fellow apostate! Thanks so much! Happy to hear that. A few other people in the comments think I got it wrong 😂 but I’m always happy to be corrected on things.
@maryscott9430
Жыл бұрын
Def one of my favorite guests!!!❤❤❤
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
🥰🙏
@YvonaLive4Love
Жыл бұрын
Great interview Andrew hello 👋🏼 from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤❤❤
@meretsteiner3124
Жыл бұрын
absolutely liberating. Thank you both so much.
@AndrewGold1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you too!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Meret! ❤️
@Serendipity-gj2me
Жыл бұрын
Andrew, you cracked me up with pickling! Religions have a way of screwing people up. Great interview!
@morticiag
Жыл бұрын
Is it just religion though? Look at the Woke Left with their gender confusion and transitioning their children because they believe "it's the right thing to do"? And atheist girls and boys doing porrn and Only Fans for the viewing pleasure of MEN of all ages.... Why do you think it's just Religion?
@davina5514
Жыл бұрын
@Serendipity EXACTLY 💯 All Religion Sucks. They are all man-made B.S
@VJShordee
Жыл бұрын
I’m listening to her talk about sex, this reminds me of my teenage yrs in the evangelical church. I was saving myself for marriage. Plus we were in church twice on Sundays, prayer meetings on Tuesdays, Bible study on Wednesday, young ppl on Friday’s. You were never in the presence of secular ppl. That’s a cult!
@DimJongUn
Жыл бұрын
@OnTheEdgewithAndrewGold13cammer, get out of here
@susanvogelfanger4390
Жыл бұрын
Some of what she said is true but not everything. I am a convert. I joined when I was 12 and my York sister was 15. I lived in New York for a year and a half when I was 7. Then we moved to Los Angeles/ San Fernando Valley. That is the area we were introduced to the church after visiting many other churches and finally talking with a Rabbi about how we grew up in South America being Catholic. Yet I knew my father was Jewish but didn’t realize that my mother’s family was as well. Yet knowing about the LDS Church was what felt familiar and at home for me. We go to church two hours on Sunday and yes we look in on each other and befriend others as part of our “church family “ does. I love and are friends with the ladies who visit me and I visit my ladies. They are now called ministering teachers and our families are visited by two men or a couple once per month to see if the family is doing well, health wise, if the father lost his job, the mother or kids are I’ll? If you’re in need of food, bills that need to be paid and you are having a difficult time, the Relief Society President is notified and she notifies the Bishop. He then gives the family a paper that has a list of foods, including plastic wrap, soap, all sorts of things the “Bishop’s Store House has and from there they either go shopping there or your order is filled and delivered. In the meantime the father can go to the Church Unemployment Office and volunteers there will help you find a job, help you with your résumé’s and if bills need to be paid the Bishop will pay that for you. You are expected to help at the Bishop Store House if you can, or other things you can contribute to with your time. Our Fast offering we give every first Sunday of the month goes towards the needs of the members when they need it. You can say no to a calling if you’re not able to do it. I’m grateful for the opportunity of preparing a talk and presenting it in Sacrament Meeting in front of the congregation on Sunday. It helped me no to be afraid of public speaking. We are taught to have savings of 6 months incase of an emergency, as well as a year supply of food for the same reason. I know I have been able to help a young family that went through their food supply and savings with food from my year supply. The programs that are available for the different age groups are invaluable and I see now more and more young people don’t know how to cook or do the basics of home prep. When my children were in Jr High they had to take a day out of the week and get a cookbook from my beautiful collection and we would not complain and eat what they cooked. I taught each of them how to do laundry. I would ask each of them to bring a cd of their favorite music and we would play it randomly between the four kids and myself. I always chose The Gipsy Kings. Then we all helped clean the house. It was a 4,000 sq ft house. Now, they all are great Chefs at home, they handle money well and live well within their means, have clean houses and do laundry well. My oldest son taught his wife to cook and many other things at home. They are all College educated and two middle boys have left the church but my oldest son and my youngest, only daughter, is still active. Thanks for reading my two cents.
@foxibot
10 ай бұрын
I lobe the gipsy kings.
@mlove.1376
Жыл бұрын
I love that Morticia highlights that it's from Cults to Conciousness. Not just Mormon belief systems. That she wants recovery and to heal vs. hating her specific cult. Just sharing and understanding her story and how she felt means so much more knowing your not alone even if you arent in the same cult. Just love her message.
@efolinsky
8 ай бұрын
Morticia?
@michellemooresings
Жыл бұрын
Oh myyy. I'm pretty sure I saw that episode of SP but I can't remember what it's about. Ha. Looking forward to the video tomorrow.
@EveryoneIsEqual101
Жыл бұрын
Handmaids tale was triggering. It seems they took a lot of things from different high demand religions and put them together as the religion in the show. She is right about falling into manipulation relationships after.
@lyliavix4366
Жыл бұрын
That’s exactly how the author came up with the many things you see in the series, everything was true at some point in time in some culture or religion
@prickhead
Жыл бұрын
Just putting this out there... I kinda wish I had classes growing up teaching me to cook, crochet & blab blah blah. All I ever did was sleep, skip class, sell drugs to my peers and drink because I finished my work in about 10 minutes, was never stimulated or challenged nearly enough & it's too easy for an overwhelmed public school system to give up on kids that need something more.
@bsota8513
Жыл бұрын
Yes, more cooking, tent building, etc. would be great. They used to have those classes awhile back. Home economics they called it, for one.
@paolaristori6179
Жыл бұрын
Wasting your time was just your choice. I wonder if at that you would have been interestedin crochet and cooking. When you were not intetested in maths, science, history, literature to build your education. .
@prickhead
Жыл бұрын
I completed all of my school work & also tested very well. Was incredibly interested in academics, so much so that I flew through school work at an accelerated rate and after I was done with the days curriculum, there was nothing more to offer me while my peers were still working. I grew bored. If you had read my original comment, you would have gathered that. My conclusion was that public school would benefit more children with more to offer & the insight to realize not every kid learns at the same pace would help more kids. ❤️
@louisemorrow8029
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your presentation so. MUCH. I learned many new Ideas. Great video!
@AndrewGold1
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Louise!
@pmshea63
Жыл бұрын
This was a great live!
@AliaKhanPurple
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Shelise and Andrew, that was really interesting. I love Shelise's podcast, so I'm glad you 2 got together for this episode. I find it interesting that although I grew up in a different high control religion that I could still relate to most things discussed. ❤
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Hi Alia! I’m happy you enjoy the podcast and this episode! I’ve been finding the relating to be true with a lot of people which makes me happy. Not that many people grew up in culty things, but that a conversation can be helpful to people across the board. ❤️
@AliaKhanPurple
Жыл бұрын
@Cults to Consciousness I agree I left over 20 years ago but I've only been listening to podcasts or speaking to others who had similar experiences in the past few years, and yet its still helpful all this time later. Thank you 😊
@melakify
Жыл бұрын
“You had people that had conditional love for you”……gurl, I heard that. It hit me. Thank you! ❤ ~Fellow Jack Mormon 😂 (really a stolen Jewish baby, adopted into Mormonism & then found out and, well…..the rest is L’Chaim!😅)
@J3nJ3nl0llip0p
Жыл бұрын
Wow! Andrew should interview YOU!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Heeey, love meeting fellow apostates lol. That’s quite a story!❤️
@boop79
Жыл бұрын
Not any better lol
@derickrae
Жыл бұрын
I don't do much alcohol. My Protestant, Christian family of origin drinks rarely. No reason was given. They just didn't. Then I went to a religious university. They taught it was bad & we could be expelled if caught drinking it. I do not have any religious objection to alcohol being used responsibly. But since my college years were spent not drinking, I feel like I missed out on that time of development when everyone learns about alcohol. Now I am 46, and I still rarely drink. I think alcohol tastes bad & is expensive. I'm not holy, I just prefer a Dr. Pepper. 😂 So I get Shelise not liking coffee. I became dependent and a fanatic about coffee in school after pulling late-night study sessions.
@erciliaflores
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Pepper for you, Canada Dry Ginger Ale for me!
@wingedinfinity6715
Жыл бұрын
You missed out on wasted time, wasted money, wasted brain cells, overworking your liver, and possible addiction to a drug that truly destroys. I'd say what you really did is DODGE A BULLET. BE THANKFUL !!!! Americans act like getting inebriated is a right of passage, which does not say much for our society.
@dronexfun8469
Жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist and I hate alcohol.
@jasonk795
Жыл бұрын
You didn't miss out. Alcohol sucks. Leaves you poor, sick and in jail.
@derickrae
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonk795 Yeah, I don't feel sad about it. I had a friend from this denomination where alcohol was not allowed. Her soon-to-be in-laws wouldn't come to her wedding shower because there would not be booze. I find that very sad. They could not enjoy themselves without drinking. At her wedding, there was a dry and alcoholic side of the building with the dance floor in the middle. Our side had a blast. We danced for hours with absolutely no shame. There were jokes, "The crazy part is that y'all are completely sober."
@keithw453
Жыл бұрын
I grew up basically an atheist in a Utah town that was 80% Mormon. It is always interesting to see people’s reactions to how weird Mormonism can be. I used to think Mormons said prayers before meals because they were afraid it was poisoned.
@_deadeye
Жыл бұрын
I left the church a decade ago, but I still know many good Mormons. I have known more good Mormons than bad. I will never believe their doctrine however.
@Earthismadeoflayers
Жыл бұрын
About the guys who used you: there is something I learned the hard way about people who've used a lot of psychedelics - they lose their morals and empathy, believing they know everything about the world and that its all there for their taking at everyone else's expense. Perhaps its a certain drug or mix, but I've seen that in all the people who bragged about how great drugs are for 'healing' and 'opening your mind'.
@ivonna.tinkle
Жыл бұрын
The Holy Ghost going to bed at midnight is a thing, my very Mormon parents said it to me but it’s more of an excuse it’t kind of said tongue-in-cheek.
@1yoginiheart
Жыл бұрын
I am an Ex- Mormon. Most of my family, including my mom and her husband, are. My dear sister is...with endless callings. My mother, to my knowledge, has provided my email, and address to the church. I left for so many reasons,...the church is the one and only true church. Seeing Priesthood holders not supporting victims of crimes. Also, members that ether has done tithe...drink...or have affairs. It was easy to walk away after I saw the hypocrisy. Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament. In the New Testament Jesus taught only unconditional Love. So we can toss the whole Bible out and not be a dick and really love each other. I love this woman, she speaks to everything I grew up with. I so wish I could share any of this with my family. I would love them to hear the truth about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Ploigamy, the modesty issue, the colling issue, being Morally clean, the word of wisdom, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith doing divination, and marrying 14-year-old girls. So many crazy truths that are not talked about in the truth. Maybe someone being gang-raped spoke to a Priesthood member and Nothing was done. I too have sought help through Ahyauwska, Kambo, and Psylisiban. Still seeking and I am so thrilled to have the opportunity to hear you.
@AdautoMedeiros
Жыл бұрын
Hellooooo, that's what I heard...at least one of them was raised Mormon... The South Park Guys... Shallise is awesome....so are you Andrew Gold!
@Jsqared-aka-justjenn
Жыл бұрын
😆Like a pickle..... Andrew😂 I'm laughing so hard, it hurts. Also, my face is scarlet, 🥵 Love from Texas y'all 🤠❤️ P.s. great interview as usual, what an amazing story.
@AndrewGold1
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed haha!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
I died when he said that!😂 thanks for watching!
@michelemiller3798
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your ex-LDS journey! I love how real used swear in your speech, I can definitely relate to that too!
@m_piper
11 ай бұрын
Fellow Utahn here (never Mormon) its funny that they don't "drink addictive substances" and yet almost every Mormon I know is highly addicted to soda. We have soda shops all over.
@sngray11
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for having Shelise on to share her story with all of us Andrew! 💗
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️
@RIO4LIFE
Жыл бұрын
Pioneer polygamy stock on step-mom’s side - My dad converted and remarried when I was 3 - I’ve been looking forward to this episode 🎉
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Hey Kim! Great to see you over here! 😁❤️
@OfftoShambala
Жыл бұрын
This was truly one of the best former cult member interviews. I’ve been studying this topic for nearly 15 years. So much fodder to work with on many levels.
@thomkatt3385
Жыл бұрын
excellent chat 💚
@heidirobinson3352
Жыл бұрын
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
@andreagnauck4982
Жыл бұрын
I agree but NOT via the thought control police. Any religion that makes you disconnect from your family is not of Jesus.
@maryscott9430
Жыл бұрын
10:51 i totally agree! The worst ill do on thc is eat too much and sleep, or clean. Alcohol will have me removing my shoes, sweating off my makeup, talking to ppl i shoukdnt, or running off to find sasquatch at 3am on a freaking island only to wake up in a random treehouse in the middle of nowhere wearing mens(i think) footed pjs!! Soooo yeahhhh.. ill stick to my thc thank you. Plus with it i can not take 8 of my 14 daily meds.
@TjLaBam
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 YOU are hilarious!! 😉Love it!!
@livingitup9647
Жыл бұрын
That was a very funny comment on alcohol's effects. But, gosh, I hope you were kidding about being on 14 daily meds! If not, I hope you find a holistic way out of those -- presumably prescription med -- requirements to maintain your physical health! And good luck with all that! 🙏💞☮
@maryscott9430
Жыл бұрын
@@livingitup9647 aww. Thank you. I am prescribed that many meds. But with medicinal thc im off most!
@livingitup9647
Жыл бұрын
@@maryscott9430 Good to hear that! I hope that approach keeps working well for you 👍🙏💞
@maryscott9430
Жыл бұрын
@@livingitup9647 thank you so much. Thats very kind of you!
@murphbee
Жыл бұрын
Hey Andrew you should interview Mary Byler, an ex-Amish, who I just saw on Shalish’s show. She’s brilliant! Her story is rough but beautiful. A strong, competent and capable woman, despite all she’s been through.
@sagittarianfirerat7657
Жыл бұрын
I was wearing a long dress, to my ankles, my sleeves were long, and I was running errands. I got accused of being a prostitute in my old neighborhood.
@tracyrain4941
Жыл бұрын
What a good interviewer you are. Really interesting vid, guest and topic...tyfs 😊
@AndrewGold1
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much Tracy
@michelerose6783
11 ай бұрын
Andrew, I have enjoyed so many of your in-depth interviews, and really appreciate this discussion. I have learned so much following your channel. Thank you.
@MultiZoobie
Жыл бұрын
One thing I feel I MUST point out is this woman is from Utah. I've read lots of comments from exmormons from Utah and their experience is completely different from LDS in other parts of the country. In this town is a very good dental school and we get people from all over. We have two ways of describing Mormons from somewhere else. We ask are they Utah Mormons or California Mormons. By assigning them to one of the two categories we know what we're going to be dealing with. California Mormons are more laid back. Personally, I've only met one couple from Utah I liked and could be friends with. A lot of the things she is saying are "Utah Mormon" things. They have always seemed to me to be much more hard line and judgy. Just my .02
@AllyOnHerbs
Жыл бұрын
I agree. In Australia I had a close friend who was Mormon. I’m Christian and we respected our similarities and differences and got on with life. When she passed I met many of her church friends and they were all lovely and very friendly.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Hi! I can see that. Having lived in 3 states as a Mormon, I will say that the Utah Mormons where I lived were actually way more relaxed than the Oregon or Las Vegas Mormons. The bishop story from the young single adults ward was in vegas. However, if you are speaking about Provo Mormons (in Utah), then 100 percent they are the most strict.
@goldilocks3593
Жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. It really seems to depend on how immersed they can be in it. In Utah or southern Alberta, there are enough Mormons it can get pretty culty. If you live in a place where it’s just another church, there doesn’t seem to be the opportunity to become so immersed in it; you just are exposed to a lot more diversity.
@MultiZoobie
Жыл бұрын
@@CultstoConsciousness I don't really know where all of them coming and going from the dental school were from. I've been in the LDS church since I was 18 and I'm 61 now. I'm probably considered inactive now although I don't think of myself that way. I have a lot of health problems and just don't go anywhere much. I've been in the Young Women's presidency. Never heard anyone make the chewing gum comment. Don't really even remember a chastity lesson. Probably was one but not anything like you described. Been in RS presidency. Never heard anyone ever talking about being a good wife. The closest thing to that I can think of is emergency preparedness. I have two sons. They did not have yearly interviews. They were only interviewed prior to temple trips. Women wear pants here sometimes. Nobody cares. I have two ear piercings and have had since I was 18. I plan to reward myself and get a third if I lose weight. Are there churchzillias here? Sure. There are two ladies here I wouldn't cross the street to pee on if I saw them on fire. Do I not agree with some things? Sure. It's pretty common to question if a calling is inspiration or desperation. And I whole heartedly agree that anyone in a bishopric ought to have training. I think a abundance of people on this side of the Mississippi came from other churches or no church. Consequently we're not trying to play "who's the best Mormon." A Utah Mormon said something to my husband one time about his ancestors being the ones who crossed the plains. Know what hubby said? "Yeah and my ancestors were probably the ones shooting at them. What's your point?" Church, any church, is for sinners who feel in need of God's grace. Not for self righteous twats. Which, no offense, the majority of Utah Mormons I've met are. I'm sure there are plenty that aren't but they don't seem to venture out much.
@MultiZoobie
Жыл бұрын
Oh and when we hear them coming down on something in general conference, we're like what's going on out there that made them say that? Seriously, it's almost like two different churches that use the same scriptures.
@AshleyAnonymous
Жыл бұрын
The real Bible tells us that Saturday is actually the real Sabbath day. Constantine the great changed it to Sunday in 321AD
@kkaye76
Жыл бұрын
What a lovely lady! I've seen her podcasts recommended on YT..
@chaucernerd1690
Жыл бұрын
I’m an ex mormon myself. Thank you for sharing!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Apostates unite!❤️
@RatCityprincess
Жыл бұрын
OMG these guys are cracking me up with the soaking talk. It's so ridiculously funny. I'm kind of a prude when it comes to talking about S. Can't stop laughing at the look on Andrews face haha
@tami.1111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your story 💗 I can't wait to check out your channel! Love & Light to you 🩷
@PrestoJacobson
Жыл бұрын
*bishop confessional flashback intensifies* Cults to Consciousness is awesome! Cool to see her here.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! ❤
@katiempojer
Жыл бұрын
The A team, HUGE fan of both of you! I listen to your videos all the time on my computer when I work from home. Educational
@WoodstockG54
8 ай бұрын
I don’t drink, no drugs, I’m a vegetarian, and I’m not Mormon. What’s the big deal? It’s healthy after all.
@ATChick
Жыл бұрын
I'm not into coffee or alcohol and never been a Mormon. 😂
@maryannlockwood7806
Жыл бұрын
I was raised JW & one of the many things that a non~no in that religion is tattoos. To this day I do not have a tattoo & don’t want one. I wonder is it just my preference or was it the way I was raised.🤔
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
🙌❤️
@ATChick
Жыл бұрын
@@maryannlockwood7806 could be both. Maybe it became your preference.
@meowzerzzz
Жыл бұрын
Commenting before finishing- crochet sounds cool but I'm into that. The LDS kids in my high school used to meet before school started daily. Teens already have sleep trouble and school starts early- plus no coffee? That must have been hard for them.
@Notfromhere347
Жыл бұрын
Also, most Mormons are completely blind to the actual history of the church. So, be patient when you meet a Mormon. Especially these poor kids they’ve forced out on a mission. I was born into the church and didn’t find this out until I was 43 years old. And even now, I am not free to speak openly living in Utah. So thank you to all the podcasters who are bringing a light to this.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this. I feel like I have this comment on repeat for the TBMs who challenge me for not getting the facts right. So much is hidden from the members and outright changed to keep people from the truth.
@paolaristori6179
Жыл бұрын
Being ignorant and silly about the religion they are missionng for is not an excuse to be a nuisance and waste my time
@rogermansour6085
Жыл бұрын
Andrew great job again .I ve watched many of your videos with Former Hasidic Jewish women. As a Messianic Jew who believes in Jesus Christ and former Leslie West Vagrants Drummer I have a great story to tell and would love to do a show with you. I'm currently in Bradenton Florida and can be reached here .Great job Shelise. I'm surprised she didn't talk about polygamy in Mormonism.God Bless Evangelist ROGER MANSOUR
@joannegrieco8523
Жыл бұрын
In that Christian Church I just referred to it was also mostly a female Preacher who literally gave me the shirt off her back because I was freezing and homeless in a t-shirt and she had a nice comfy and warm hood on. I didn't even ask she was just that empathetic and the other Preacher was a Man who had been homeless just 15 years before living on the same streets with his wife and they'd also bring us chik filet breakfast sandwiches a couple times a week and his wife did free haircuts once a month and weekly brought Men's and Women's mini sized cleaning products for free out of there pockets and time for us. They gave back to the community and situation they were once in, if I wasn't so disabled I'd do the same. I used to take in women in need and homeless people down on there luck who just needed a helping hand back when I was capable of working but they made me want to do more, unfortunately that's not in the cards for me .
@Ms.Stephanie.C
Жыл бұрын
I was married the first time in 1991 (in the Mormon temple) & I was told on multiple occasions that oral was really sinful. I heard it frequently when I was an active “true believing Mormon” (TBM).
@psingerman4778
Жыл бұрын
I'm not a Mormon, but I don't like coffee.(Love tea!) I don't drink alcohol. Communion in my church is grape juice and unleavened bread. Until now, I didn't realize I had things in common with Mormons!
@violettubb9405
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your discussions. I was brought up Fundamentalist Christian and I remember that one poor woman had to confess openly to the whole congregation her sin (of dating a man who was not a Christian) so she could again partake of the sacrament. I was a teenager at the time and was horrified for her. I eventually left the Mennonite Brethren and have never looked back.
@ritamariekelley4077
Жыл бұрын
So good to hear you talk about the conditional love aspect. I'm a never-Mo living in Salt Lake City. Talk about a bubble. The shunning is a horrible trauma. We also have a very high suicide rate, I think in part, due to the demands and perfectionism, especially traumatic for the gay community. I've long wondered if the bishop's questions constituted voyeurism. There's so much that's so sick about these eligions.
@tinab7791
Жыл бұрын
I remember the 3-hour long sessions on Sunday back in the day. Fortunately we were what they called Jack Mormons (because my mom drank coffee and smoked cigarettes), and she didn't make us do all the stuff during the week. So glad! We moved across the country when I was 13 and she didn't make me go back to church, so I didn't and haven't since. I'm now 47 and they still knock on my door at least once a month. I have been very clear with them, even one of the elders who kept coming by for a while, but they still keep stopping by. At least the Jehovah witnesses went away when I asked them to. They kept getting my address because of my mom.
@tinab7791
Жыл бұрын
When the missionaries show up again and they ask me if I need anything done, instead of saying no, I'm going to have them build my new chicken coop 😆 they owe me after 25 years of stalking.
@vickyjohnson1121
Жыл бұрын
Stalking! What was the thought? These young missionaries out now can't be blamed for anything.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
😂😂 yes put them to work! I got my records removed. Thankfully though before that they lost track of me because I moved annually in LA lol. When I found out they benefit by having my name in their records with taxes or something I went to quit Mormon and started the process.
@danicapaulos2347
Жыл бұрын
Shelise was the best part of Mormons on Mushrooms! So happy to see her doing her own thing and THRIVING!! ❤
@heatherhensley9183
Жыл бұрын
What a delight! Could have listened to another hour!
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you!
@microbios8586
Жыл бұрын
Shame surrounding sex is basically universal in all forms of Christianity. Catholic guilt is a real phenomenon.
@suzannereiter3600
11 ай бұрын
How right you are! I'm 81 and converted to Episcopalian when I was 18, but the "Catholic" in me is still strong. Catholics are very brainwashed, especially if you go to a Catholic school, as I did.
@SoulfulVeg
Жыл бұрын
I found your show through Shelise. I'm love both of your content. ❤
@ladypamela8269
Жыл бұрын
Not all mormons are told that holy ghost to bed at midnight I think that was a scare tactic on whoever's behalf that said it. However I was told to be home by midnight because any good git's home by that time. And nothing good happens after midnight
@denitaomanovic3462
11 ай бұрын
Totally off topic, but worth a mention for me: A German here who has nothing to do with religion (and never did): I don't drink alcohol at all 😀 It just doesn't taste good to me at all. My fellow Germans are fine with it. Here you can live freely and casually without any problems. ❤️ I obviously don't relate directly to these cult issues, but I love all these people who have risen above the abuse and broken free. Shelise is so lovely too! ❤️❤️❤️
@VJShordee
Жыл бұрын
I always thought Mormonism was a cult decades ago, then it was accepted as a religion. Which I found fascinating. Especially when the Osmonds were mormons and they were famous and on TV.
@janelking2121
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting the diverse videos. 😊
@brookeblake2016
Жыл бұрын
My 4th great grandfather was Edward Partridge, 1st Mormon Bishop. His mission was 7 yrs in England 🇬🇧 He was set apart by Joseph Smith I believe.... and died in jail with The "prophet". He probably baptized your Grandmother 😆
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Woaaah! That would be cool if he did! Lol now that is some OG Mormonism right there
@LauraLanny
Жыл бұрын
As a Roman Catholic, I was taught to dress modestly when going to church and I lowkey judged whenever I saw someone wearing shorts or spaghetti straps XD
@bobbiejones9266
Жыл бұрын
Since leaving Mormon I have developed a strong, personal relationship with my Heavenly Father that I never felt in the Church. The Bible tells me all I need to know. I feel God is with me, loves me , and watches over me. I think all the rules, the way women are treated as 2nd class people, the men ruling over the women........all that smothered that personal sense I feel with God now.
@bandme796
Жыл бұрын
Great interview! I didn't drink coffee until I was in my late 40's. I never liked it until my friend made me coffee with fresh ground beans and yummy creamer. I also don't drink alcohol often. I like a pina coloda or margarita with dinner, or a Kahlua and cream in the evening.
@pacificislandgirl
Жыл бұрын
I'm not an ex-Mormon I am an atheist, but my sister is a Mormon. I am watching these podcasts to understand this organization and its control over its members. The ironic thing is my ancestors were part of the group that chased the Mormons out of Missouri! Baptizing the dead is totally weird. I found some of my ancestors, who were pastors, ministers and leaders in their Christian religion and who would have been disgusted by Mormonism have been baptized Mormon after they were dead!
@elleluella4565
Жыл бұрын
What an elegant speaker! I love your channel so much.
@jenniferforeman1599
Жыл бұрын
I have never been Mormon and I don't drink alcohol. I don't like the way it makes me feel when I get drunk. I'm not myself I feel out of control and I don't like to not be in control of who I am and what I'm doing. But I did suffer with a heroin addiction for many years so go figure.
@joebiggs.sc1231
Жыл бұрын
The one that gets me is being the outcast in the family and maybe getting looked down upon and not going to their level of heaven when you die.😮 really??? The cult is soooo evident right there. I have been gone for a long time and it’s still in the back of my head. The abuse and treatment haunts you for life from what CULTS do to you.
@joeythebushkangaroo1
Жыл бұрын
I am part of a religion and my family must be the cult bc the way they treat me is shocking. My parents refused to come to my wedding, my dad removed me as executor of the will bc I was now stupid bc I believed in a Creator. Cults can also be family organisations and their strong beliefs. BTW they are all atheists... my father was the cult leader & what he decided were the laws of god.
@myboloneyhasafirstname6764
Жыл бұрын
Robert Lopez was Mormon, collaborated with Southpark guys on the show “Book of Mormon” but Trey and Matt were not Mormon.
@triestemonroe8786
Жыл бұрын
I would have sought out a more truthful person to interview. Someone with more correct info. She is sorely mistaken on most subjects concerning church
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Hi Trieste! I’d love to hear where you have a differing opinion. Are you an active Mormon?
@jackierowland1703
Жыл бұрын
We are an L D S family and have never heard of most of the things this a lady is talking about. Maybe being in a part of the country away from Utah makes our experience different. Why don’t you talk to someone who is an active Morman?
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
@@jackierowland1703 Hi Jackie! I’m going to be completely honest with you. Once I left the church I learned the true history. Things they have since come out with on their own website after lying to their members for years. While I admit many of my experiences may be different from other Latter Day Saints, I can assure you they aren’t singular to me. Culture in different parts of utah, different states and even different countries will certainly play a role in each member’s experiences. I’ve lived in 3 states as a member, so I can attest to them being very different. However, the shame and perpetuated guilt were the same. I truly hope you don’t feel personally attacked by my perspectives and recounting of the church. I’ve been in your shoes and I wish you the best!
@J3nJ3nl0llip0p
Жыл бұрын
I dated a Mormon y for a few years. He was outish, his family was still HEAVY into it. Dealing with his sex guilt was truly annoying. I wasn't mean about it, I understood, but one time I had to tell him SkyDaddy wasn't ACTUALLY watching, and if he was We should make it a really good show. Sadly, that BACKFIRED and he wouldn't touch me for 3 days. At ALL. He'd walk AROUND me in the tiny kitchen... WE WERE LIVING TOGETHER for 2 years at this point...
@AllyOnHerbs
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure it was frustrating. I feel for him, that’s a big burden to carry into a relationship Hopefully he ended up getting some help to work through this. Instilled guilt is a journey to disentangle from.
@J3nJ3nl0llip0p
Жыл бұрын
@@AllyOnHerbs Agreed! Sadly, he hasn't gotten and type of therapy. I doubt he will until/unless his parents A) leave the religion or B) uuhh... Cease to be (think the Month Python Parrot Skit). It's terrible, he's a genuinely wonderful person, he's mad at himself for Failing God by leaving his mission trip over his gf. It's tragic.
@CultstoConsciousness
Жыл бұрын
Sky daddy! 😂😂😂 I feel you! That sex guilt stuff is ROUGH though. Takes a long time to get over. Thanks for sharing ❤
@skyjust828
Жыл бұрын
I don't believe EVERY Mormon is going to Hell just as I don't believe ALL of any group is going to Hell. If you DO believe all of any group is going to Hell you need to pray to whoever you pray to for guidance.
@glendathegoodwitch6987
Жыл бұрын
Why would you drink alcohol just because you're no longer Mormon? There are lots of non-drinkers on the planet who stay away just because they don't like it?
@Mari_Oh
Жыл бұрын
Love that thumbnail 😂
@carolwilliams5337
Жыл бұрын
The suggestions for chastity are great for people who want to stay chaste. Its actually a very Christian thing to wait until marriage.
@bobbiejones9266
Жыл бұрын
I don't believe the Bishops should be talking to young children (12 to 18vyrs of age) without a aren't present. The parents are the ones who should be having these conversations with their children. The parents know if their child is old enough mentally to discuss these things.
@kriswalker3275
Жыл бұрын
My mom joined the Mormon church and brought me into it for a certain time period in my life and I have to laugh about this interview. I remember them having these long drawn out discussions with the teenage youth and adults in the 80's going into great detail about different sexual things that were banned and it horrified me. All of this reminds me of the family guy episode where Meg was having ear sex to stay a virgin. Makes me laugh!😂😂
@Munchkin.199.-.
Жыл бұрын
Pickling 😂 this is just incredible
@KimBouchard
Жыл бұрын
So glad I'm watching this in the morning because every time I hear tea being discussed, I have a massive urge to drink tea. Guess what I'm drinking now!
@deedeeamerica3418
10 ай бұрын
It's a shame that most people who exit a cult come out rejecting the real God and Jesus and end up not accepting and writing their trip to eternal hell. Satan sucks.
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