Who'd have thought a GoPro would make such a good ips/port blocker! Not only was it monitoring the port, but it also blocked incoming traffic!
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Haha totally missed opportunity for a joke there.
@jbradfordphoto
Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling haha, I always enjoy the hard work you put into your videos, Jeff. Glad to see that you're doing well and still trucking along!
@pnnytx
Жыл бұрын
gopro firewall
@RazorMureithi
Жыл бұрын
made my day
@Its-Just-Zip
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, it's not a very effective traffic filter. It blocks even the expected and desired traffic
@angst_
Жыл бұрын
Put the pigeon in a box and strap that box to another pigeon. That way they can take turns flying each other to their respective 'homes'. Voilà! Two way data transfer!
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@leftcoastbeard
Жыл бұрын
I feel like there's a Monty Python joke in there somewhere, but that was about migrating coconuts and not storage drives. But I suppose two doves could carry one if they grip it by the case.
@owenpierce
Жыл бұрын
Pigeon duplex
@ChristopherHailey
Жыл бұрын
That's basically a VPN
@Yuriel1981
Жыл бұрын
@@leftcoastbeardnot about where he grips it. It's a simple matter of data ratio. A 16 Oz bird can't carry a 16tb hard drive! Even if he weighs the same as a 1lb coconut.
@krzysiej--9229
Жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of hard-drives driving down the highway. That original quote about station wagon is by Andrew Tanenbaum, 1981
@stevepoling
Жыл бұрын
Now that I think of it, I think Tanenbaum's text was the source of the exercise to compute Bernie the St. Bernard's bandwidth
@krzysiej--9229
Жыл бұрын
@@stevepolingit was from his book about computer networks, great memory
@Damicske
Жыл бұрын
Euhm hard drives in 1981 :/ "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." tapes mate tapes ;) even now it's better to send a truck full of data tapes then a truck full of hard drives.
@SomebodyHere-cm8dj
Жыл бұрын
Doing some calculations: The interior of a cargo truck (first one I could find) is 26'5" x 8'2" x 8'3" The dimensions of a 3.5" HDD is 5.75" x 4" x 1" The largest capacity for a 3.5" HDD is 26 TB. Assuming 10% (sorry, don't have a realistic estimate, this is completely random) packing overhead in each dimension, the number of hard drives that would fit in such a truck in one 2D layer perpendicular to the road would be 24 x 24 drives, which is 576 drives, which is 14.625 PiB / "slice". The legal speed limit for trucks is ~100 km/hr, and if there are on average 3 truck interior sized gaps between trucks (again, completely random, sorry) then there is on average 3.65 PiB of information continuously flowing per 4" slice. The bandwidth is then 39 in/m x 1000 m/km x 100km/hr / (60 s/min x 60 min/hr x 4"/HDD) x 3.65PiB ≈ 1 EiB/s / highway lane Maybe my math is hopelessly wrong, but if not 1 EiB is to 1 GiB what 1 GiB is to 1 Byte. Okay, now I think my math is hopelessly wrong due to hopelessly optimistic scenarios and assumptions (obscenely huge number of trucks on the road, with very tight packing). The actual bandwidth is likely ~2-3 orders of magnitude lower under more realistic conditions, especially if a single truck is considered (as opposed to one every
@MrManningata
Жыл бұрын
@@JK-mo2ovI also watched the video
@CraftComputing
Жыл бұрын
I've met Pijeff in person. He's even more frightening than Red Shirt.
@BryceDearden
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many truck drivers have unknowingly set bandwidth records when they get tasked to drive a shipping container from WD or Seagate
@stephen.jenkins
Жыл бұрын
Good question, but most don't care what they're hauling as long as they get paid for their miles.
@mrmotofy
Жыл бұрын
As long as they're licensed to haul it, they don't care
@sazanlip
Жыл бұрын
And what kinds of records can be achieved with kilometers-long freight trains full of these... Ping time, of course, will be garbage, but bandwidth... A whole another league.
@jfkastner
Жыл бұрын
BUT the drives coming from the Factory are most likely totally empty RE Data, so useful Bandwidth would be close to Zero
@I4get42
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jeff! I love that Pigeon-Jeff was using the updated RFC2549 "IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service" which proposes the use of QoS tiers "Concorde, First, Business, and Coach". I love those April 1st RFCs
@ethzero
Жыл бұрын
Came here to make or like this comment ♥
@autohmae
Жыл бұрын
packet loss was always a huge problem, often caused by hawks and similar big birds...
@untruenorth
Жыл бұрын
@@autohmaeReally focuses the mind on the appropriate error correction strategy.
@theatlastech8792
Жыл бұрын
This RFC still doesn't support NAT, the birds keep eating them!
@AndersJackson
Жыл бұрын
@theprogram863 I was also thinking about this. Remember that they tested this RFC in Norway. They had to rewrite the TCP/IPv4 stack so it didn't time out before the Pigeon arrived. 🙂 But they managed to ping though.
@kz6fittycent
Жыл бұрын
So would it be a PDOS instead of a DDOS attack if we all sent pigeons your way Jeff?
@GSBarlev
Жыл бұрын
Whole new meaning to "Your network 💩ed itself."
@otter-pro
Жыл бұрын
This video took a lot of dedication. Jeff in pigeon head walking around the airport is something I won't ever forget.
@davidgreen8512
Жыл бұрын
I wonder what kind of looks he got from the other passengers.
@SiD3WiNDR
Жыл бұрын
@@davidgreen8512 And airport security...
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
A lot of film studios hand-carry footage on SSDs back from location shoots exactly for this reason.
@lee-annewalker3430
Жыл бұрын
Jeff as a South African, as I saw the headline, I immediately thought of the Durban experiment, and surprise me when you referenced the story. I was working for an ISP at the time and let me just say, the story, was sensational at best.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
It's mostly for fun :)
@Noobish588
Жыл бұрын
having experienced Telkoms kak internet I think a pigeon was certainly quicker.
@kapytanhook
Жыл бұрын
Afrihost es ook kak. Internet shaping blockheads
@ask_carbon
Жыл бұрын
Time for a data transfer startup based on pre-programmed drones with relay terminals to recharge or change carriers.
@darkmann12
Жыл бұрын
Lol as a drone enthusiast this sounds *painful*
@ask_carbon
Жыл бұрын
@@darkmann12 Its based on AI/ML and managed on blockchain. I already see investors lining up for my vaporware tech 👍
@KristovMars
Жыл бұрын
This actually sounds viable, if planned properly. But I'll stick with bicycle couriers for now, at least for
@EarnestWilliamsGeofferic
Жыл бұрын
@@ask_carbonbut what will you name the coin? That's all I need to know - how fun is the coin's name.
@bartz0rt928
Жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried mass driver-glider drones yet? You launch with a mass driver (catapult, basically), and then glide to the next one. No need for recharging!
@MrRecorder1
Жыл бұрын
Just a fun addition: If you fill up a cargoship that can carry 20000-containers with SSDs (assuming 200 gram/SSD, and 1 TB / ssd and 25 tons / container), you will have a container ship that carries ~2 billion terabytes of data. Just for the sake of it, this container ship will be the datacenter we want to transfer to the other place, so no transfer from or to the ship is necessary (it is so big anyways, this would just make sense)!If it takes 8 weeks to ship 2 billion terabytes to its destination, e will have achieved a total transfer speed of ~400 terabytes/second. Quite good, imo!
@C4rb0neum
11 ай бұрын
Google is jealous because their Dunant subsea cable can only do 250 terabits per second.
@hariranormal5584
10 ай бұрын
@@C4rb0neum They can be constantly upgraded as DWDM is always changing
@atomictransfusion
Ай бұрын
@@C4rb0neumthat's 31.25 terabytes per second so cargo ships are way faster
@MarcusPHagen
11 ай бұрын
Gives a whole new meaning to "your data is in the cloud"!
@SimonZerafa
Жыл бұрын
Can we try an A380 full of SSD's as a bandwidth test next? 😉
@DeerJerky
Жыл бұрын
and an Airbus A380 full of... Arc A380s
@Mixer-he2wb
Жыл бұрын
#mentourpilot are you listening?
@YeOldeTraveller
Жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s, it took over 24 hours to transfer a file from the US to New Zealand for a specific use case. And that assumed the connection did not fail in that time. Our solution was to cut 5 copies of the file onto 9-track tape, put that in a case, and hand the case and a plane ticket to a courier. Travel time was less than 24 hours, and at least one of the tapes would work. (Rarely wsa that not the first one. We only cut 5 as that was how many fit in the case.)
@dangson302
Жыл бұрын
I remember the wikipedia page for IP over Avian Carriers protocol had a photo of a dead pigeon as an example of data loss.
@brlin
11 ай бұрын
It's still there.
@Dragonited
Жыл бұрын
We acctually do know how pigeons know their way. They have magnetoreception so they can sense earth magnetic fields and navigate using that on long distances and when they are getting closer to their destination they can recognize landmarks on the ground to get exaktly where they need to go.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
That is the leading theory I've read, though details are still not quite nailed down. Some tests in the field have proven it is not just magnetic.
@mfaizsyahmi
Жыл бұрын
They also see ultraviolet, so a whole other spectrum of colours to landmark on.
@acubley
Жыл бұрын
That'd be fun when the magnetic pole shifts.
@mrmotofy
Жыл бұрын
I think they use natural GPS and store all the grid data in their feather cells. We just haven't figured out how yet
@ExplainingComputers
Жыл бұрын
What a great video idea and execution. Greetings Jeff, I enjoyed this. :)
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Ha, high praise indeed! Thank you :)
@lewismassie
Жыл бұрын
I recall when the Event Horizon Telescope had finished observing, they had petabytes of interferometry data at each location. So they took their super expensive helium hard drives and hopped on a plane to bring them back to their main office
@rainworldenthusiast
11 ай бұрын
I remember talking to one of the scientists who worked on it after a colloquium, and apparently a lot of the data was also transferred by truck. When we asked him what would happen if the truck crashed and they lost all the data, he just shrugged lol.
@collin5353
Жыл бұрын
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when this was pitched. Great video!
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
You'd have to be careful, a pigeon might've eaten you!
@spych102
Жыл бұрын
Sorry to knock you off your perch Jeff, but surely pigeons prefer GRUBs?@@JeffGeerling
@andrewnugent9625
Жыл бұрын
Years ago when I was working at a service provider, I needed to copy 3 PB of data from New York City to Dallas over the 10GbE backbone. I started on a Friday and as of the following Monday not even 1% done. This was going to take too long. I had the time to buy a storage array, set it up copy everything over and then have FedEx deliver to Dallas. All that in less than 1/4 the time it would have taken a direct copy. That sure changed my view of data coping over the internet.
@koputai
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Jeff, your analysis is floored, that higher bandwidth bird is a heron, not a crane!
@adamtheshoe
Жыл бұрын
I used to be a professional Pijeff! Back when most of our sites had T1 or T3 access at best, if we wanted to migrate a datastore from a manufacturing facility in, say, upstate Wisconsin back to our primary datacentre in Toronto, the only way we'd actually get everything moved between end of day Friday and Monday morning would for me to fly down there with a few external hard drives in my backpack, clone the files overnight, then fly back the next day and start dumping everything back on the servers at HQ.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
The OG human pigeon!
@adubs.
Жыл бұрын
Those little samsung bar usb drives are significantly cheaper than the sandisk options while being somewhat comparable in performance (slower writes but faster reads). The caveat being the metal enclosure is... well, not easily removed. My father and I used to raise homing pigeons(and doves). We actually got most of our birds from the soulard market. Unfortunately we moved to Imperial, a more rural area, and the foxes got to them.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
RIP to those poor birds! Foxes almost got the chickens we used to have too... they are cunning little creatures.
@GSBarlev
Жыл бұрын
What is it with foxes attacking means of information transfer? Where I live in Northern Virginia, they used to go after newspapers. (It's actually a really cute story-a daddy fox was taking them back to his den to use to teach his kits how to pounce)
@3v068
Жыл бұрын
This was AMAZING! I love birds almost as much as I love computers, and seeing how he takes care of these birds, what he does to condition them and keep track of them and their health is really important. Great video man!
@willfancher9775
Жыл бұрын
What a wonderfully whimsical and interesting idea for a video. Really loved this one. Also hoping we get to see more of your time with Wendell and with 45Drives!
@ChristopherHailey
Жыл бұрын
When I took Data communication in school on the final exam we had to describe the transmission characteristics of a 747 cargo plane (large packet size, high latency). In the '80s I had to transmit data on a couple of floppies from NY to LA and we were better off overnighting them than to try to transmit over a modem. Back then data communication was often harder than the programming. First thing I thought of with the title was RFC-1149, glad you mentioned it.
@spruce-bogey
11 ай бұрын
I remember the line about the station wagon while working on mainframes in the 80s. We had a daily delivery of tapes between two locations that were about 30-40 minutes apart, or more in bad weather. We were working on telecom programs which management hoped would replace the station wagon (it may have been a van in our case.) The comm line bandwidth available to us at that time was so meager it didn't come within several orders of magnitude. We kept the program around for small stuff and named it STAWGN.
@JustinEmlay
Жыл бұрын
This has always been the case. It was quicker to copy LSL, get on your bike and ride across town and give it to your friend than it was to transfer it over modem.
@mx2004mx
Жыл бұрын
Concidering that i get about 5Mbps upload, everything is faster than my internet
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Even a hummingbird would probably be faster!
@p_mouse8676
Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Be careful with that extra induced noise, could create EMI/EMC problems down the line.
@t1mmy13
Жыл бұрын
Terrabyte per mile, I love it
@DaveSomething
Жыл бұрын
with my upload speed, it's faster to format and fill AOL diskettes and drive them to their destination.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Heh "floppies over snail mail is faster than the Internet"
@DaveSomething
Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerlingI miss my 1tb synchronous fiber optic, cable sucks. my upload is similar to "really good dial-up"! I shouldn't have moved!
@kreynolds1123
Жыл бұрын
Strap a floppydisk to a snail, snailnet.
@retroretiree2086
Жыл бұрын
@@kreynolds1123I actually know someone who worked on a system where the last (or first) leg of data transfer was "DbD" or Disk by Donkey :)
@ckellingc
Жыл бұрын
Now backblaze needs a pigeon recovery system
@agranero6
Жыл бұрын
The quote is from the book "Computer Networks" by Andrew Tanenbaum: "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway" (I could swear it was a ship, but I checked on the book): page 57 of the second edition, page 83 of the third edition and page 91 of the fourth edition. This book is a classic used in many university courses. I had one and when I married my wife had another one. It is the network equivalent of the Dragon book for compilers and the Art of Computer Programming for algorithms. This is why is so frequently quoted along with the often misquoted "apocalypse of the two elephants". Some say he was paraphrasing Warren Jackson, Director of University of Toronto Computing Services but my second edition says nothing about that, so I can't confirm it. In fact at the end of the Chapter 1 there is a problem about a St. Bernard dog carrying floppy disks and over what range of distances the dog is faster than a 300bps phone line.
@chiblast100x
Жыл бұрын
Back in the '90s, as a teen during the waning days of dial-up, I was associated with a local greyhat group. We used a lot of sneakernet for large scale sharing/pooling of data for both throughput and security reasons. I fully expect that a lot of modern groups in both blackhat and greyhat circles still do this for similar security reasons, if not transfer speed and transfer convenience ones, since a random guy with half a dozen flash drives hanging off a carabiner on his beltloop or backpack (or in the day boxes of floppies and Iomega Zip disks in his backpack) is still way harder to packet sniff or man in the middle than online data transfer packets.
@briceperdue7587
Жыл бұрын
Quality content dude. I tell my customers our latency is better than dial up, dsl, cable, smoke signals and carrier pigeons. But the carrier pigeons have more bandwidth....
@briceperdue7587
Жыл бұрын
at 5:49 I take it all back LOL still just a nerd doing nerd stuff.
@beatsbyandrew
Жыл бұрын
Pigeon backup is peak "security through obscurity"
@grandetaco4416
Жыл бұрын
I heard about this concept about 12 years ago. On a whim I went to look up sneaker net thinking it would be funny, and realized I went down a rabbit hole, I gained a whole new respect for sneaker net.
@jasonpatterson8091
Жыл бұрын
Doves/pigeons look kind of blobbish in terms of body shape but they are actually remarkably good fliers, even beyond those with homing abilities. That big, curved chest holds a huge pair of pectoral muscles. They are fast and extremely agile - if they manage to escape a raptor's first (usually surprise) attack they usually get away entirely.
@TheEclecticDyslexic
Жыл бұрын
I had this problem back in university when a project required lots of photos or video. I actually ended up doing the math on it once and given the crappy internet I had, it was sometimes better to not even bother trying to upload overnight... and instead drive 45 minutes to the university, upload over LAN, and drive 45 minutes back. That informed my project priorities more than the actual due dates.
@LuLeBe
Жыл бұрын
So, Amazon, Microsoft and Google should all have a Greg on site at each datacenter. That way, there's a pigeon service for everyone!
@leonidfro8302
Жыл бұрын
They actually do it. By trucks, not pigeons though.
@marcianoacuerda
Жыл бұрын
As the joke says, who’s gonna be affected if Microsoft’s data centers go down? 😅
@jarrodvsinclair
Жыл бұрын
I used to do data center migrations. We used to put servers and tape libraries on planes for large moves and sometimes when it was bank data there was a bank employee that would travel with them. A lot faster way to move Pb /ExoB
@robertk1701
Жыл бұрын
I first heard about pigeon vs internet just a few weeks ago and immediately did the math based on updated internet speeds and storage density. Same conclusion, pigeon is faster up to a certain distance. An advantage of internet is that you know immediately if your transfer has failed and can restart it while with a pigeon you wouldn't know until you've waited for a significant time past expected arrival. Pigeon could still win out over shorter distances, but over longer distances it boils down to when the interruption in internet transfer takes place.
@TechnoTim
Жыл бұрын
One day I want to be Greg, just raising and caring for birds.
@mcpr5971
Жыл бұрын
Gives a new meaning to "uptime"
@fauzirahman3285
Жыл бұрын
Me: *sees Jeff in pigeon mask* "Has he finally lost it?"
@phail_trail
Жыл бұрын
Network engineer here: First off, I love this video. This is clearly a labor of love and I'm digging the all the little nerdy intricacies. Secondly, I want to give my normal PSA that I give to folks when they are talking about speed. You mentioned that one doesn't always get gigabit speed. With a 1Gbps physical connection (line speed), you will never get 1Gbps data transfer (because of overhead). Now if the service provider gave you a 10Gbps physical handoff (line speed) they would truly be able to give you 1Gbps of actual throughput.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Just adding a note that my home connection is actually 1.3 Gbps but I'm still stuck on my old 1 Gbps router (which does up to 930 Mbps as measured by iperf3-which means less than that for real transfer speed).
@phail_trail
Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling oh nice! I seem to remember seeing optics with 1.(some decimal)Gbps. That's awesome that providers are using those. Means you can potentially get 1Gbps throughput at Layer 3. I am curious if the copper handoff to you is 2.5Gbps or 10/100/1000. Or are they giving you a fiber handoff?
@ItIsAHumanNumber
Жыл бұрын
LOL. I see this now. I did my graduation paper in 2010 with TCP/IP over Pidgeon :).
@drphibesrises
Жыл бұрын
Talk about unique content, you win the prize. I love the amount of thought that went into the testing protocol. Thanks for sharing.
@asdfghyter
11 ай бұрын
1:00 thus dispelling the myth that “the internet is not a big truck that you just dump things on”
@ChrisSmith-rm6xl
Жыл бұрын
Years ago I did a calculation of the bandwidth of the factory where I was working. We made DVDs and Blu-rays. Assuming maximum production, and double checking to make sure the loading dock could handle that many trucks, the bandwidth was thousands of times faster than the Internet of the time over any disance that we could reach with a road. I suspect that a modern race between today's faster Internet and an NVME drive factory or an enterprise rotating disk factory would be even more unbalanced.
@miketobias9717
Жыл бұрын
Positively insane premise and I absolutely loved it.
@Blackwing2345635
Жыл бұрын
It was fun to found this vid right after i rode a bike for 10km to my colleague with an external ssd to copy some container images and models, because doing it over the internet was painfully slow for reasons) When you face a huge volume of data - you start to appreciate portable drives
@stevepoling
Жыл бұрын
Back when I was in grad school I calculated the bandwidth of Bernie the St. Bernard carrying a little whiskey cask filled with 8" floppies across the Alps. I'm not suggesting a follow-up, but I wonder...
@HydraulicDesign
Жыл бұрын
I had a wayward homing pigeon hang out in my yard one morning a couple weeks ago. This was just the most appropriate video to mention that.
@jonathankolberg2706
Жыл бұрын
0:55 I love how Red Shirt Jeff takes one for the team to explain bandwidth vs speed
@flush_me
Жыл бұрын
I love that you mentioned RFC1149. From the start, I was wondering if you would. Most people think I am joking when I mention that an RFC for IPoAC exists.
@hw2508
Жыл бұрын
There was a software company in Germany in the late 80s or early 90s that made computer games. Because of the lack of high speed internet or high costs of the internet at that time, they deposit discs in trains. They did not even buy a ticket. On person entered the train at station X and put the disc somewhere in the train. At another station another person just got the disc. However, sometimes the second person missed the train or something else went wrong. Not a perfect solution. And there is RFC 1149 about TCP/IP over carrier pigeons / avian carriers. And RFC 2549: IP over Avian Carrier with Quality of Service.
@PixelOverload
Жыл бұрын
It's worth noting that you don't _necessarily_ need to account for the transfer time from the medium to the recipient during a physical data transfer depending on the nature of the storage media and the recipient system, it could (and often is, in real life scenarios) simply be incorporated into the recipient system directly, potentially as quickly as plugging a transfer drive directly into a free hot-swap bay on the front of a server rack or other similar system
@paulmess
Жыл бұрын
This technique is known in Argentina as "telesovaco" (from "Tele Armpit") due to the gesture of the messenger taking an envelope and going out to his destination.
@pbjandahighfive
Жыл бұрын
I understand adding the final "upload" time, but I don't feel the initial "copy" step should count towards the "pigeon time" since you could theoretically have had the data directly on the physical medium which is intended to be transferred via pigeon to begin with without needing an intermediary step and when you transfer it over network you are uploading it directly from that original source as well.
@Winnetou17
Жыл бұрын
More people would've complained of biasness and cheating. It's better that he did it like that. After all, you must edit the video, THEN upload it. So it came from your computer, not from the SD card. Of course, there are scenarios and scenarios. But I think that there's enough of them that imply that the source is the computer, so this was the best, safest approach.
@jasonpatterson8091
Жыл бұрын
The single point return problem for pigeons is similar to the problem of needing infrastructure for any network. This isn't a big deal for most of the developed world anymore, but where I live, in rural northern Michigan, it's very much a concern for a lot of people. In our case the comparison is often pigeon vs no internet. I'm lucky enough to live off of a road where a cable line passes between towns, so I can get cable internet, but if I were 1/2 mile north or south it would be modem (or Musk, if you can get it).
@stephenroot1012
Жыл бұрын
Imagine: disconnecting from the constant data stream of the internet to roughly three times a day data dumps with Alphabet and the alphabet agencies watching the birds overhead and asking themselves "How are we supposed to hack their network and do 'Man-in-the-middle' attacks on them NOW?" Now imagine said bird getting a gleam in its eye and performing an airdrop on an agent while still flying.
@dcallan812
Жыл бұрын
My brother in law and his farther both raced pigeons. They raced in The Up North Combine LTD. The birds would be sent to France from the North east of England. that could well over 300 miles
@MattTester
Жыл бұрын
Now I want to see the station wagon full of tapes race to see just how much bandwidth that could have.
@mylittleparody2277
Жыл бұрын
It have already been tested multiple times, in England specially. But it's always a god thing to test it from time to time, as both internet speed and storage density increase each year. Thank you for the video.
@KristovMars
Жыл бұрын
Moderate/high tangent here: But if youse haven't seen it, I highly recommend the Jim Jarmusch film Ghost Dog - Way of the Samurai. The protagonist lives on a (New York?) rooftop and works as an enforcer for a Mafia guy - but all his communication with his lord is done via carrier pigeon. It's a quirky and genuinely fun film, starring Forrest Whittaker and with a soundtrack by The RZA.
@kevindawe911
Жыл бұрын
Really off-the-wall interesting video Jeff, good to see the old methods are still the best, and broadband providers have still some way to go to beat even the humble homing pigeon.
@dennisp8520
11 ай бұрын
This was super cool, I would have never even thought about this to be honest. I feel like their are two really important things to bring up though when it comes to physical transfer of data. 1. Cost- it’s so much cheaper to just use the internet in most circumstances. If your internet is too slow you would find more utility in just getting a larger pipe. I.e instead of the garden hose go with the firehose. 2. Convenience- it’s really impractical to transport physical storage over long distances. Even in the situations where it might make sense there is so much logistical hurdles that you just don’t have to worry about when you keep everything digital.
@IamYuto
Жыл бұрын
5:50 that's why'll be always your fan 🐦😂
@daltonchaney1504
Жыл бұрын
Good old sneakernet. Loved the video Jeff!
@RobinCafolla
Жыл бұрын
Every test of the Pigeon Packet Protocol is a boon for humanity. Also, given that an increase in storage speed always seems to outpace network transfer speed, it's likely pigeons will always be faster than wires for transferring data.
@geoff5623
Жыл бұрын
There was an article a few years ago about how people in Cuba used flash drives to sell and distribute weekly data dumps of internet content, to get around limited and slow internet availability.
@jfolz
Жыл бұрын
Is everything alright Jeff? Coo once for yes.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Kaw
@rogerlevasseur397
Жыл бұрын
Was a great April fools RFC back in the day (April 1, 1990).
@UNgineering
Жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting to see this error on my screen: "forgot to shut the pigeon cage, and the remaining two pigeons escaped without an IP packet"
@NLGeebee
11 ай бұрын
I sense a new Monty Python movie coming. What is the air speed velocity of a homing pidgeon? - Loaded with 1 or 2 TB of data? Ehh… I don’t knoww….. aaahhhhhhhhh….
@kriekenzero
Жыл бұрын
This is the type of high concept, high tech content i crave.
@hiroyaohba
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I and my company Dots for Inc. do in African rural villages; bringing USB memories the way faster and cheaper than the Internet for villagers in Africa.
@ikestoddard2458
Жыл бұрын
This was fun yet serious, no, just fun. I’m glad you remembered to include the station wagon quote. Glad to see you are back in good humor. Cheers!
@forivall
Жыл бұрын
Huh, I always thought that all doves are pigeons, but it turns out that all pigeons are doves!
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
And all these comments are amazing!
@Mr.Gottfried
Жыл бұрын
I am glad you didn't actually let any bird carry the drives over an extended distance on it's leg.
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I am hoping if we go any further I'll have a better solution for more data, and less physical space.
@youtubemusings-vo1rt
Жыл бұрын
when I cancelled my cable internet service (switching to fiber from a much more reputable ISP) about a year ago the cable company kept calling me trying to get me to renew the service. I told them I switched to pigeons and started rambling on a napkin math I did on that. And then they try to sell me a "technology better than fiber".
@KristovMars
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah! I'm definitely yoinking that line for next time I switch providers :)
@michaelterrell
Жыл бұрын
One guy that I used to work wit insisted that Cable interned was 'just a fad' because DSL would soon take over. Sadly we were a tech company, so he should have known that you weren't going to get higher data rates on old, rotting copper. My first 'Broadband' was only 5MB/s
@ve2mrxB
Жыл бұрын
Here, the phone company is decommissioning copper POTS. New installs are VoIP.
@michaelterrell
Жыл бұрын
@@ve2mrxB That has been going on for over 20 years Most of the old lines are defective. The city of Ocala has about 75% bad underground cables. The underground cable on my street was installed around 1964, and I'm a full mile from the fiber to copper interface. I don't think there is one single, good pair out of the 25. VOIP, is just a internet connected telephone. They pull old copper out of uderground conduits to makee room for more fiber opti cable. I watched Ohio Bell tearing up the downtown sidewalks in Middletown about 50 years ago when they removed most overhead phone cables in the downtown area. I was surprised that the precast concrete conduits had 16 chambers, when they only needed half, since they were known to cut corners. Middletown also got a low serial number, first generation ESS, to replace the early Strowager CO. in the early '70s. We went from having to call a number multiple times to get a good connection, to no bad connections. The old system could take up to a minute to connect and ring the called party. The ESS was a fraction of a second. Fiber internet was just built a few weeks ago, on my street. I can't wait to dump Hughesnet, to have fast & reliable internet.
@azertyQ
Жыл бұрын
I've toyed around with this idea since I first heard of IPoAC; but that transfer speed onto and off of the storage device is a real dream killer.
@HangryOne
Жыл бұрын
This video is completely ridiculous and I love it. I can only imagine what people in that airport were thinking.
@jorgevillalta8487
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah! The good old Pigeon Transfer Protocol, never fails!
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
P2P!
@SharpBalisong
Жыл бұрын
I am so happy you mentioned the April Fools' Day joke, IPoAC. It has always been one of my favorites.
@nissimtrifonov5314
Жыл бұрын
using a pigeon to back up your data must be an idea as smart as backing up to an usb then throwing it in the trash, so in the event you need it you go to the landfill to look for it
@christiaanventer8183
Жыл бұрын
Factfiend uplaoded a video recently about this exact thing. Apparently some small islands use this for tourist stuff; copy your data from the boat trip to a bird and by the time everyone gets back, they can get their copy of data or printed pictures ready to go.
@TheFrantic5
Жыл бұрын
You using a garden hose and a truck to compare bandwidth and speed reminded me of the Internet's favorite senator, Ted Stevens.
@howardwhite9773
Жыл бұрын
I immediately thought of the station wagon full of tapes model when I saw the thumbnail! Brilliant video, Jeff.
@alexeinars
11 ай бұрын
5:49 Suddenly, "M.O.O.N. - Crystals" started playing in my head.
@gamingenius
11 ай бұрын
If you haven't yet, you should check out the book "What If?" They actually go over this situation in hilarious detail.
@stormchaser300
Жыл бұрын
THE GOPRO WAS AN ADD BLOCKER FOR THE DOVE LOL 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂
@digitalsparky
Жыл бұрын
The Pigoeon also only operates on UDP..... Unfortunate Data Pigeon...
@jfkastner
Жыл бұрын
New Transfer Unit is TB / PGN (Terabyte per Pigeon)
@thebigt42
Жыл бұрын
Before watching the video. Yes Pigeon / Sneaker net could provide a lot more bandwidth but the latency would be gargantuan
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
Just gotta commit to whatever data you're transferring!
@DiyintheGhetto
Жыл бұрын
Jeff man whoever through that bucket of water at you was enjoying it way to much. 😂 😆 😝
@JeffGeerling
Жыл бұрын
That'd be my wife haha
@DiyintheGhetto
Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling exactly haha
@featherpony
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if you desoldered the flash chips and installed sockets... and the destination had the same socketted boards. They could drop in the flash chips and read them, with the exact same hardware. The pigeon would carry lighter, smaller packages, allowing more data to be sent. But with the pigeon, you have to worry about the risk of the data being intercepted. So you should include encryption/decryption of all the data as part of your timed test.
@jimi-w
Жыл бұрын
I hope if you revisit this you're operating RFC 2549! 😃
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