One thing that AP has over A.Lange & Söhne is how the brand is perceived. It is a brand that even non-watch people know and they know that this is an expensive brand whereas Lange is still more under the radar. But this can also be a benefit for some people as they can have a (very, very, very) nice watch without the clichés attached to it 😅
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, about the only AP watch that is somewhat known beyond collectors is the Royal Oak, and you are quite right in pointing out that A.Lange & Söhne is little know beyond the range of watch aficionados. It's a good thing we can appreciate watches in a broad scope. Take care, Bill
@GradoLabsFans
3 жыл бұрын
TBH, i think most of non-watch people only knows Seiko, casio, rolex....for the younger generation they has cellphone watch just a accessories for them
@thomasa.243
3 жыл бұрын
@@GradoLabsFans I tend to disagree but this might also depend on where you are from. Here, central Europe, a lot of people have, besides the brands you have listed, a Tissot, Tag Heuer or Junghans. Especially Junghans, and also Nomos in this respect but a bit less, seem to have a certain appeal to younger people. Yes, a watch in 2021 is a bit of anachronistic but then again younger people like analog photography and vinyl records again because of that certain reason.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
@@GradoLabsFans Probably right...maybe Patek Philippe, but that's doubtful. Possibly Omega and TAG Heuer...
@GradoLabsFans
3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasa.243 @ThomasA. I live in Hong Kong and Macau. Hong kong is the world largest swiss watch importer ONLY because we have no import tax and sales tax. Then the people from Mainland China(China has 30%+import tax and about 13% sales tax) will order the watches and bring it back to mainland. For men, Tudor is also well known because of Rolex. Some sales may say if "you" can't get a rolex then buy a Tudor or tissot. For women, rolex, Cartier.... The local always want to buy a watch that keep the values or a watch can make profit....(of cuz, PP and AP sport watch can make profit BUT no one can walk in and get one, everyone must submit their namecard and buy some un-popular watch first...) Nomos, Junghans come w/ morden design unlike A lange, GO, FH. I hope local knows more about it
@firefighterps2
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill. Never really liked any AP's, but that rose gold chrono at a mere 59k is really stunning. A.Langs are always so handsome.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I had one AP, Phil, but it was too small for me even though it was a horological delight. Of course instead of A. Lange, I opted for Lang & Heyne. Take care, Bill
@AbdulRWatches
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Bill, as you know I am a bit biased towards German watch brands, as such A. Lange & Söhne would be my choice every time :D I really like the Royal Oak Offshore but its size puts me off a bit, and my ultimate favorite is the Zeitwerk, my number one grail watch.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Abdul, I like the fact that they both offer models with frequencies below 4Hz ... some real watchmaking going on. Take care, Bill
@TimG--
3 жыл бұрын
AP all the way! Nice video mate.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I like them both Tim, but I just have not found one of either that I find compelling to get my mitts on, but that can quickly change. Take care, Bill
@obud3777
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, the AP Remaster chronograph has the same movement as the AP Code 11.59 fly back chronograph. Caliber 4409 4 Herz
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks O Bud! I looked all over for that movement related to the [RE]master, but was unable to locate it. What really threw me was the range AP cited for the width. Could you send me the [RE]master--> movement link? Thanks, Bill
@obud3777
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci look on monochrome-watches.com/audemars-piquet-remaster01-selfwinding-chronograph
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
@@obud3777 Thanks man! Take care, Bill
@cedarcanoe
3 жыл бұрын
There is something not right with the design of the endlinks and lugs on the Odysseus. The watchhead as such is wonderful but..
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Erik, there is an awkward transition between the two. Take care, Bill
@Daveyboyz1978
3 жыл бұрын
I'd take the first two APs and the last three Langes. I am not a fan of the offshore (I'm not bulky enough) love the classic/jumbo as you know. Zeitwerk is a stunner too. At these prices though you can't have them all.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
About the only watches from either manufacturers for me are the simpler ones ... steel Jumbo from AP and the 1815 "Homage to Walter Lange". Take care, Bill
@cedarcanoe
3 жыл бұрын
I like that you’re continuing with the comparisons 👌
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I choose AP and AL&S before I realized they had a very skewed relationship, Erik. I found that more interesting than a 1-1 model comparison(e.g. Royal Oak vs. Overseas). Such comparisons actually seem to draw out more about the watch company than the parallel ones. Take care, Bill
@cedarcanoe
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci agree 1️⃣0️⃣0️⃣ %
@ihopetowin
3 жыл бұрын
There was time I'd have chosen the AP RO over the Lange....but, not anymore. I actually find myself at a crossroads in my collecting choices. I've sold pieces I never thought I would and I'm buying pieces that I liked in the past but from afar.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I think you've summarized a lot of collectors' history Hope. Take care, Bill
@elturko1430
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, thank you I love the Lange 1815 up down
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I like that AL&S too El Türko ... very nice watch. Take care, Bill
@juniorjohnson5961
3 жыл бұрын
I can't afford any of these watches , if I could I'd get A. lang & Sohne
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I can't afford any of them either ... my pandemic mask may come in handy as a way to aid in fund raising for watches. Take care, Bill
@oldenglish91
3 жыл бұрын
I actually own 3/5 APs that you presented. Love them all. In the future plan on adding Lange. I can guarantee you that the CEOs of these companies never thought anyone would make the comparisons that you came up with. Thanks Bill.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have found your true watch, Old English. Before you go with A. Lange, check out Lang & Heyne. Take care, Bill
@sergezerkin
3 жыл бұрын
pretty sure they would .. as they cost in the same range, they are both luxury watches... and they are the most popular brands..
@blueshirtbuddah1665
3 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic comparison video with excellent choices. I would love to have any of these watches in my collection, but the Zeitwerk is my favorite. Thanks as always Bill.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Oddly (since I'm not chronograph fan) Bruce, I'd want the Datograph ... the one that Philippe Dufour believes to be the best 'serial produced watch' available. Like you, there's way more that I want than I can afford.... such is the lot of a watch collector. Take care, bill
@brpugonlatour1636
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the 1815 annual calendar rose gold? Which other Lange / Langes would you get in that same price bracket? It is usd49k… need help please 🙏
@watchartsci
2 жыл бұрын
BrPugon la Tour, for 49k, the 1815 is a nice watch. I'd rather have this one: Lang & Heyne 18K RG Moritz. 56k; so there's a 7k difference. Take care, bill
@the_ian_wan
3 жыл бұрын
They do NOT fix up old ones and call it the remaster! It’s got basically the same movement as the code 1159 chrono. AP’a CEO specifically outlined that this is not a homage to the old one.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian Wan. Why the range in the sizes then? What are they re-mastering? Send me a link to the CEO's comments if you would. Take care, Bill
@the_ian_wan
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci I actually don’t see the range of sizes. The website states that the size is 40mm and nothing more. The remaster concert is basically them taking the idea of a three tone chrono from the 40s and making it with modern inspiration. So, it’s them asking the question of “how would we build this watch today instead of 80 years ago?”, hence remastering. The quote is actually from their head of complications, link: monochrome-watches.com/audemars-piguet-remaster01-selfwinding-chronograph-26595sr-oo-a032ve-01-review-price/.
@the_ian_wan
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci I have tried this piece in person. A bit too big and thick for me but charming overall.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
@@the_ian_wan Very confusing and stingy information on the AP page. Go here: www.audemarspiguet.com/com/en/collections/REmaster01.html and scroll down to "Case Size" ... there they have a Medium [. ] check box indicating the range. It could be an oblong shape or it could be with and without the crown pushers. In any event, thanks for you link. Take care, Bill
@the_ian_wan
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci I think it’s just a size selector that’s on the page of every collection. So for example, people can select their desired size ranges of the royal oak and be shown the medium sized ROs rather than a 33mm quartz one. Since the remaster collection only contains one watch, there’s just that one tab. It says 40mm if you click in there. In any case, it’s just another example of watch brands screwing up their website presentation.
@dominickcolasanto6582
3 жыл бұрын
Nice Selection, Reasonable comparison's, a deeper dive would be interesting on some of the movements. Thank's Bill
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you're right about the movements, Dom. It's important to focus of several things in each watch, and so I left most of the follow-up to the viewers. Take care, Bill
@dominickcolasanto6582
3 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci Either way your video was excellent and I am amazed that you find lots of watches that I haven't seen before 👍👍👍
@yossifelder6775
3 жыл бұрын
What’s your thoughts on the A. Lange & Söhne “Homage to Walter lange” Collection?
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite Saprik! The 1815 Homage in yellow gold. Take care, Bill
@Javi_C
3 жыл бұрын
Both amazing brands in my book!
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Both are different but both good quality, Javi. Take care, Bill
@yossifelder6775
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video like always amazing.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure Saprik, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Take care, Bill
@leightodd7335
3 жыл бұрын
Bill as soon as travel opens up you and misses need to take a German river cruise so you can work on the das Deutsche. You should take the Easy Diver just in case you drink to much and fall over board lol Just saying not that I've had that problem!
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
I agree Leigh ... but we just had such a cruise from Budapest to Nuremberg before the pandemic... then a train trip to Dresden where we met with Rolf Lang who does not speak English. Hoping for 2022... In Germany I was hugely impressed that a German 5-year old was so fluent in German. Take care, Bill
@gilbertombp
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, Bill, or has discovering a lot of great watches - some of them hidden gems - caused me to think that a lot of AP models now look a bit...garish? I still do like the Jules Audemars three-hand date watches though, and the code 11.59 chronograph is kinda cool, despite the perception it garners from certain watch enthusiasts (they think it looks like a Daniel Wellington knock-off). On the other hand, Lange has always been about understatement; the real party is in the caseback. I've seen the steel Odysseus in person, and I don't really mind the look of the bracelet, particularly because it reminds me quite a bit of Sinn's own fine link bracelet. Not that I'll be able to afford either brand for a while, though...
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
With the Marvel Comics deal that AP has signed up for, who knows what they'll become? Take care, Bill
@isaiahdonnelley4800
3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, in terms of finishing and overall quality, Lange wins every time. But when it comes to styling, the Odysseus just seems wrong to me. I don’t thing Lange could effectively pull of a sport watch without some sort of rebranding or new department. The Ap is iconic, and still has a fairly competent movement to boot.
@watchartsci
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eggs, yeah each has its own style. AP makes excellent movements, but they may not be quite as finished, or at least finished in the same way, as Lange. I like watches from both brands, but I have none from either. Take care, Bill
@eugenejohnson7755
2 жыл бұрын
My personal opinion is AP should not belong to Holy Trinity.
@watchartsci
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Eugene, really none of them do...Even since Patek Philippe put silicon hairsprings in their watches, it's hard for me to reconcile. AP is mostly RO... so that leaves Vacheron Constantin. To be fair all of the very top watches are now by independents or collaborations. Take care, Bill
@eugenejohnson7755
2 жыл бұрын
@@watchartsci The new Holy Trinity is FP Journe, Voutilainen and Gronefeld. What do you think?
@watchartsci
2 жыл бұрын
@@eugenejohnson7755 Those are all good, but there are so many more-H. Moser, Greubel Forsey , ... the entire membership of AHCI! (
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