I would LOVE to see the "Budget Optiplex Build of 2028" to see how it fares. It'd be hilarious.
@BREEZYM6015
11 ай бұрын
2028? We're looking five years ahead already? 😂
@andrewbenson6316
11 ай бұрын
The optiplex moved to a 12VO standard about 3-4 years ago on this sized (non MT) line. Almost completely and totally impossible to get power externally to a GPU (I've got a 9500 powered optiplex 3070 working as a NAS at the moment)
@motherchuckair404
11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that external power is not needed and the GPU will still work. Its relative performance will be high enough to satisfy most users. I currently run a 1650 in my Opti 3060. @@andrewbenson6316
@CFWhitman
11 ай бұрын
@@BREEZYM6015 Yes, this is a reference to Dawid's remark that when the current generation of low profile Optiplexes reach the used market five years from now this card will truly fulfill its purpose.
@theinktician
11 ай бұрын
@@andrewbenson6316 they want to laugh at the price and wattage my friend
@Teksers
11 ай бұрын
OMG they actually did it. I think the A2000 still has a better use case due to it using only PCIE power( 75W)
@volvo09
11 ай бұрын
The quadro drivers got the a2000 are a bummer though. But seeing how the stock Dell PSU powered that card without going into overload I think the extra power draw isn't much of an issue. I think the PSU in that Dell is like 225 watts, if it can power it, I don't think many systems would have issues.
@doloresdebeauvoir4960
11 ай бұрын
Exactly, A2000 is the card I give to my HP prebuilt with a measly 310w PSU.
@Boogie_the_cat
11 ай бұрын
Every video card, including the GT710 is better than a stupid 40 series card. All the specs except the clock speed are cut down dramatically compared to the 3060, and they expect unscrupulous reviewers (and Dawid) to use DLSS 3 to mask the facts. Turn DLSS 3 off, and the 4060 will get maybe 15 fps more than the 3060 Dawid sold his soul
@adityaraghuvanshi3947
11 ай бұрын
maybe nvidia should make an RTX 4050 with 75w tdp? surely it will be better than any LP card out there. already many 4050 laptops have 75w or less TDP so shouldn't be hard
@volvo09
11 ай бұрын
@@Boogie_the_cat this video is about low profile cards. There aren't any options out there for low profile cards. And no, a gt710 is not better than this thing. I don't even game and I know that isn't going to happen.
@nunofernandes4501
11 ай бұрын
Yes, definitely do a 4060 LP in a modern SFF Optiplex, that one with the i5 13400 seems to be begging for some 4060 action.
@markojovanovic9651
11 ай бұрын
maybe even a 12400 if its cheaper
@zat-svi-ua
11 ай бұрын
that actually would be a kickass gaming pc
@Majinbuu_1
11 ай бұрын
i was going to make the same comment!
@tyaty
11 ай бұрын
It don't have space for 2 slot wide card
@eatabatterydotcom4590
11 ай бұрын
I'd like to see something like an optiplex with a i5 6500. Those go for around $100 now, and will definitely perform better than the 2600.
@aaronbrook
11 ай бұрын
"Crystal Ball Optiplexing" from the future would be fabulous. The content creation market is pretty saturated with Ivy/Sandy/Haswell Optiplex builds at this point, but you'd probably be among the first to show the audiences out there what budget Dell builds of the future will look like in a few years. I'd love to see that. You could build it up as a "2028 Amazon Gaming PC" and simulate how people would refurbish them haha.
@CrocoDylianVT
11 ай бұрын
Yeah but you'd probably still be using outdated processors, most probably kaby lake and coffee lake once those Optiplexes go down in price
@aaronbrook
11 ай бұрын
My point exactly. Nobody builds those yet, but they'd be interesting to benchmark. Though AMD hasn't helped us given their focus on the higher end, the low-mid level chips with Intel seldom get the spotlight in build videos.
@lewzealand4717
11 ай бұрын
@@CrocoDylianVT Coffee Lake i5 would be a huge upgrade in CPU limited games though with 50% more CPU power. Even 10th gen will only add HT which will be another ~15-20% maybe. As an i7-4790 Optiplex user, even an i7-7700 will only be ~15-20% faster but that 8th gen bump will be the big one.
@AwSomeNESSS
11 ай бұрын
@@lewzealand4717 The problem being that later Optiplex's moved the full-length PCIe down to the bottom slot, leaving dual-slot LP cards incompatible. Been hunting for one for ages before I gave up.
@user-xh3nm8oe2l
11 ай бұрын
@@AwSomeNESSSI might be really really dumb, but can't you just take Optiplex hardware and rebuild it in any ATX case for like $10? Then you won't have to buy an LP GPU and think about cooling.
@patrickprafke4894
11 ай бұрын
David is hilarious. I'm glad I found him. I just wish Anna got more screen time with him.
@Yinzzy656
11 ай бұрын
i think it's spelled Dawid
@Living-gnu-64
11 ай бұрын
@@Yinzzy656 it is, but forgive the newb lol
@chiefthunderhorse4430
11 ай бұрын
@@Living-gnu-64heck, I've been watching him awhile but his name constantly gets auto corrected any time I type it
@patrickprafke4894
11 ай бұрын
@@Living-gnu-64 or I didn't catch the auto correct.........
@stillblazinkush
11 ай бұрын
Why?
@maximus3294
11 ай бұрын
this is a really fascinating video on the low profile 4050. thanks, dawid!
@Mr.Genesis
11 ай бұрын
4060*
@benspratt8300
11 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Genesisr/woooosh
@ironphilly2366
11 ай бұрын
Ha, I get the joke
@RuruFIN
11 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Genesis They made a typo in Nvidia when they put these out. Should be 4050.
@brunoutechkaheeros1182
11 ай бұрын
@waitwhat1320like how the new Supra is actually a BMW?
@deanchur
11 ай бұрын
For those of you waiting on a 4050 to enter the low-profile 75W market; it might, but if you look at the laptop variants you're getting 6GB RAM and a 96-bit bus; same as the Intel A320LP but by some accounts that sucks down less than 40W under load. Also Dawid, a more accurate Optiplex would be something with a 7th or 8th gen i5; you can find tons of them on refurb sites. My Optiplex is a 7th-gen i7 and it cost me $400AUD 3 years ago (also has USB-C and an nvme slot!)
@SterkeYerke5555
11 ай бұрын
Sounds like a good candidate for some VRAM overclocking. I guess gpu manufacturers might do that themselves if nVidia will allow it. Still though, it could be an interesting gpu if it manages to be single slot LP. Afaik the RX 6400 is still the fastest gpu in that category and it's only got 4GB on a 64 bit bus (not to mention the gpu itself isn't exactly amazing either)
@HappyBeezerStudios
11 ай бұрын
@@SterkeYerke5555Will probably have similar results on the 4070 Ti, where memory oc also does a lot. nVidia are really cheaping out on the memory bus here. 192-bit was usually always for the x60 cards, and they performed really well. The 4070 should have a 256- bit bus, the 4060 a 192-bit bus and the 4050 a 128-bit bus, minimum. They basically equipped all cards one tier lower this time.
@SterkeYerke5555
11 ай бұрын
@@HappyBeezerStudios Tbf, nVidia equipped the cards with hardware from one tier lower in general this generation. That goes for the memory bus, but also die size, shader units and relative performance to the flagship of every generation. The 4070 Ti might as well've been the 4060 Ti or 4070 if it were named (and priced!) the way nVidia would've done until last gen
@computerrepairguy
11 ай бұрын
This video helped me immensely with a project I’m working on. I needed to see a tear down of this card. You’re the first person I’ve seen do it. Thanks Dawid.
@bolshevikY2K
11 ай бұрын
I would absolutely love to see the MODERN OPTIPLEX OF THE FUTURE (from 2028 or something). The concept of taking a crappy prebuilt or office system and turning it into an unexpected gaming beast is always super cool to me
@bellowick
11 ай бұрын
This is how I built my bedroom media/gaming pc. Got a HP Prodesk with a Pentium and 8gb ram for £40 (seller did me a deal as I wanted 2 of them, but they were selling for £60 each), got a i5 6600 for £20, a passively powered 1050 ti for £60 and £20 on ram. For £140 I think it would be a challenge to build a better PC. I had to do quite a bit of research to find a GPU that wasn't overpriced or just e-waste. Some people would argue a 1050ti is e-waste, but it is still a serviceable card for AAA games that are 1 or 2 years old already (the specs are basically God Of War's recommended specs) and I already have a gaming PC, if I want to play a new title I can just use Parsec to play it remotely.
@kellypaws
11 ай бұрын
Currently using an HP Elitedesk SFF with NVME, 64 Gb RAM and an RX6400. It's not the *best* system I've used, but it *is* a total sleeper build.
@TechIOwn
11 ай бұрын
With the 8 pin power and reduced 128 bit bus and PCIe 4.0 x8 I'm not exactly sure who this was targeted at, certainly not the old Dell/HP SFF PC's, but it's something I've been waiting for and also seems to be quite popular based on Amazon and Newegg availability. Surprised they didn't do a LP 3050 last generation for a little DLSS and ray tracing action.
@workdesu
11 ай бұрын
probably for the itx enthusiast. hdplex actually has 400w small psu nowadays.kinda sized like pico.. it should be well enough to power a ryzen 5600+ this tiny 4060. this should opens up some new door for more powerful compact rig
@stoneymahoney9106
11 ай бұрын
The A2000 is why the GA-106 die the 3050 and 3060 are made from even exist. It's no coincidence the best-binned silicon from that line just happens to hit the perfect voltage/shader count sweetspot within the slot-only power budget that's perfect for the LP form factor that you can sell for extortionate prices to professionals and data centres. Why let board partners make a product that competes with any of the unique selling points that will cannibalize the cash cow you went to so much trouble to design? Make no mistake, gamers are second-class citizens in the world of GPUs now.
@TechIOwn
11 ай бұрын
@@workdesu Most of the time the ITX crowd can still run full height GPU's, even if they're limited to single fan models like the Palit 4060 Ti StormX and ZOTAC Gaming. Still feel the pain paying more for a GTX 1650 LP vs a 1650 Super or even a 1660!
@kaozer666
11 ай бұрын
My ITX system has a full size 3080 in it. Its not the smallest system in the world but its only 11L volume
@XxAtomic646xX
11 ай бұрын
ray tracing is impossible to use on a 3050... 3050 struggles on low settings without raytracing lol
@mxss115
11 ай бұрын
I’m fairly certain this is the first time a 60 class card gets the LP treatment. The last good gtx LP cards I can remember were 750tis, but I also think 1050s existed
@ehohackner
11 ай бұрын
keep in mind many people among the tech community claim nvidia shifted the whole naming scheme up, so that technically the 4060 should have been named 4050 (based on performance gains over last gen), so on and so forth. The LP 4060 only strenghtens this narrative.
@justinpatterson5291
11 ай бұрын
The GTX 1650 had an LP version. Gigabyte made one. And I think MSI did too.
@justinpatterson5291
11 ай бұрын
@absolutemadchad8637pretty decent for a ~50W card.
@iancurrie8844
11 ай бұрын
That’s because it is a xx50 class card being sold as a 60.
@ProjectPhysX
11 ай бұрын
@@ehohacknermain evidence for this is the crippled 128-bit memory bus and tiny XX107 GPU chip, both of which have always been 50-class. The performance numbers tell the same story; there is memory-bound applications where the "4060" is outperformed by a 3060, 2060 and even 1660 Ti.
@Tommy_The_Gun
11 ай бұрын
There is one issue with this card. When you need a small GPU - chances are - that you also have very small case. 3 fans may be efficient, but if your PC case is small it won't gonna help and after 1 hour of gaming your PC components are gonna get hot - especially if this thing needs more power. It would be actually way better if this gpu had blower style cooler (just like A2000) as it ejects hot air directly out of your case. Blower coolers are just better for small cases.
@tristanweide
11 ай бұрын
I'm really hoping we get a 75 watt 4050... That would be an amazing card for slide in upgrades... (as long as it has more than 4 PCIE lanes)
@HappyBeezerStudios
11 ай бұрын
I would go another route. A LP 4060 Super that uses the AD104 chip of the 4070, but at much lower clocks. That should give quite a spike in efficiency.
@Bit-Z1
11 ай бұрын
@@Jantcha it’s older architecture though. In theory this could perform better even at 75w.
@joemarais7683
11 ай бұрын
You won’t get that cause the 4060 is what the 4050 should have been. If you want a 75W card, buy a workstation card or AMD gpu.
@saschapurner9579
11 ай бұрын
Intel´s ARC 380 from Asrock should be what you search for with a decent price on it.
@baoquoc3710
11 ай бұрын
@@joemarais7683 asterisk* RTX A2000. It exists and not talking about price, it incinerated the Pathetic RX 6400
@EbiNnFlowin
11 ай бұрын
I wish we had more LP graphics cards that can be powered entirely on the PCIE slots. Love these to make old office PCs into gaming PC
@TheTryingDutchman
11 ай бұрын
Put the 4060 on 75 watt tdp manually and remove the 8 pin connector and see if that works. If not you can disable the power connector=false in the bios to fool the card to thinking the 8 pin connector is connected. This would mean it can be used in more usecases (weak psu or whatever) and it would be pretty cool to see how they compare performance wise without a psu!
@MrGermanletsplayerxD
11 ай бұрын
David has to see and do this
@_Winfried_
11 ай бұрын
Is this really a thing? Never heard of that bios option
@poorsap1598
11 ай бұрын
If this can be done id like to see that.
@volvo09
11 ай бұрын
@@_Winfried_must be in the GPU bios, that wouldn't be in a motherboard bios.
@TheTryingDutchman
11 ай бұрын
@@_Winfried_ its not necessarily an option, basicly you change the word 'false' into 'true'. Its not as easy as my comment makes is sound though, but since people make entire custom biosses for gpu's (like RX570 getting custom RX580 bios to boost performance) simple changing 1 word should definitely be doable
@SaccoBelmonte
11 ай бұрын
I would loved to see the A2000 and the 4060 doing the A2000 intended tasks and see how they compare.
@fawnwilliams9835
11 ай бұрын
please do rtx 4000 sff ada
@edwardthecar2300
Ай бұрын
I saw someone else do that and it's about 2% faster than the 4060 in games but draws 1/3rd of the power
@DivineVegan
6 күн бұрын
Done
@guthreleonard4164
11 ай бұрын
Would have been interesting to see the 4060 power limited to 75w for MB only power.
@snoflahke6575
11 ай бұрын
i'm pretty sure that w/o the 8 pin connector it would just burn up the pci slot tyiing to provife the power.
@Bit-Z1
11 ай бұрын
@@snoflahke6575 it wouldn’t burn it up, the motherboard has protections against that. The card simply wouldn’t work if it wasn’t getting enough juice.
@progmistro
11 ай бұрын
The problem with the current gen of SFF ex: Inspiron 5070, 3020 is that the PCIE x16 slot is on the bottom, which means only single slot GPUs work, and for some forsaken reason, they thought that it was a good idea.
@StaceyBelleAdams
11 ай бұрын
Every generation of Optiplex SFF after the 3010 has this same problem, even the newest 3000/5000/7000 series! Sadly, my 3050 can't take a double slot GPU.
@adamm.1367
11 ай бұрын
It's a shame Dell is still kneecapping them...super odd design choice. I have a few 7000's laying around at work with i7-12700s that would be great compact gaming machines if it weren't for this issue
@HappyBeezerStudios
11 ай бұрын
I always wondered why nobody made a LP card with a cooler on the back. Wrap it around and have the cooling on the side where there is at least a slot for room, and in may cases even more above that.
@snoflahke6575
11 ай бұрын
i have a g3 hp elite desk sff i7 7700 and i got lots of slots and the perfect slot space for a 2 slot card
@kentluo7168
11 ай бұрын
Dell 3450(Inspiron 7090) also has this problem, but 3460 has changed it
@RottenSoul589
11 ай бұрын
its crazy how small that card is vs the full size desk top versions
@marcogenovesi8570
11 ай бұрын
Most of the space is the heatsink, and on lower end cards they are using the same big heatsinks as the higher end cards because it's cheaper to mass produce a single heatsink for all
@fabrb26
11 ай бұрын
And people still go for the Strix version
@AlJey007
11 ай бұрын
the new RTX 4000 is the true successor to A2000, would love to see that in action
@ToothlessSnakeable
11 ай бұрын
Wish that card was cheaper
@Ifalvarado
Ай бұрын
@@ToothlessSnakeable and smaller, It doesn't fit on low profile cases like the a2000
@ksolo614
11 ай бұрын
You may be able to flash a different bios on the A2000 card with the new unlocked nvflash tool. Might get some more performance out of it.
@scudsturm1
11 ай бұрын
probably not, it already runs around 70W and the pciexpress slot are 75W, if u dont want to burn it up, avoid flashing a bios, beside that u lose the quadro benefits of the special driver features
@ilijazafirov4192
11 ай бұрын
It is limited by the power, I have tested it and there is no way of going beyond the power limit because you can't add more power onto it due to the pcie connection limit
@quantum5661
11 ай бұрын
hell, if we're talking about the fastest 75w card, go look at the rtx4000sff. its a batshit crazy workstation card with 20 gigs on it.
@creaturedanaaaaa
11 ай бұрын
not that much performance, not from concentrate has a system with a water cooled shunt modded one and the 4060 is still gonna outperform it
@claycassin8437
11 ай бұрын
A test of the 4060 limited to the same 70 watt TDP as the A2000 would have been enlightening, as I am most interested in the efficiency aspect of the newer card in a lower power build(my entire mindset starts with off grid solar system efficiency). As always, though, very entertaining!
@HR-wd6cw
11 ай бұрын
The A2000 is really a quadro-type card, so it's good for rendering, but may not be as fast as the RTX "Geforce" type cards which are meant for gaming, and are faster overall, but perhaps at a slight disadvantage when it comes to rendering (some rendering errors can possibly occur although I haven't really see any in my limited testing between the two -- the RTX "quadro" type cards are just designed more for render accuracy and heavy duty processing (at the cost of speed) since they are designed for workstation and design/CAD use primarily which isn't usually speed oriented.
@nojohnso
11 ай бұрын
Yes, Dawid. Make that video on used Optiplexs in 5 years from now.
@curvingfyre6810
11 ай бұрын
Definitely do a video pairing it with a more competent mini office pc. 6th through 8th gen intel would probably be the play.
@boxfan6656
11 ай бұрын
Dell SFF cases after about the 6th gen Intel can only fit a single width card. HP's 8th gen Intel is similar - the power supply limits the x16 slot to a single slit width. Thankfully, HP relented with the 9th gen and reintroduced double width slots in some, but not all of its SFF cases.
@shadowtheimpure
11 ай бұрын
Just a heads up, for Mini-DP you can easily buy Mini-DP to DisplayPort cables so you don't have to use dongles. My users do it all the time for laptop docks.
@bricefleckenstein9666
9 ай бұрын
The adapters are normally included with the A2000. So free, usually.
@shadowtheimpure
9 ай бұрын
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Indeed, that is a perfectly valid option. I was just giving another for folks who didn't want adapter dongles hanging off the back of their GPU.
@NCamico
11 ай бұрын
I just put one of these bad boys into a build in a Silverstone MILO11 case and I'm shocked by how relatively quiet the small fans are, even when cranked up. It truly is a Short King.
@TechIOwn
11 ай бұрын
Silverstone ML03 for me, and yes the fans and cooling are actually a pleasant surprise, performs cooler and quieter than even the GTX 1650 LP. The initial photos made it seem extremely long but even with the triple fan configuration it's not much longer either.
@qwertyuiopasdf160
11 ай бұрын
this is the only 4060 worth buying
@AnnaDoes
11 ай бұрын
The fact that the 4060 is half the price for sometimes double the performance is hella impressive. I also never can and never will get over how CUTE those little cards are
@ilijazafirov4192
11 ай бұрын
A2000 6GB can be bought for 200-250$ used and there is no gaming performance difference than the 12GB version
@creaturedanaaaaa
11 ай бұрын
@@ilijazafirov4192 ok that's great but this is easily worth the 330 being new and having like 70% more performance on average
@ilijazafirov4192
11 ай бұрын
@@creaturedanaaaaa not if you use it in SFF office PC which doesn't have extra power (most of them limited power supply to 200-250W on 1 or 2 rails and without GPU power connector), besides the PCIE power itself you don't have an extra power, for a custom made SFF PC where you can use whatever power supply you want, certainly you are correct. If there is a test where the 4060 is limited to 70W (at which the A2000 runs), we can decide which one is better to get, but on the other hand why would you even buy 4060 if you have to underpower it.
@Just_Joseph_King
7 ай бұрын
You look cute too 😉
@shadowsofnoobs
11 ай бұрын
The RTX 4000 SFF is the king! Do a video on that please
@bluesharpie9744
11 ай бұрын
Awesome to see LP cards get some love (high end gaming, raytracing, and DLSS 3 in this form factor? Awesome!) - but yeah, I think that 8-pin will limit its use cases, especially as a drop-in card for prebuilt office PCs. They just don't have the connectors. LP power supplies with those connectors are also probably rare and quite expensive. The thing is that the 4060 would probably run decently with the 75W of PCIe power (as seen in laptops, and this is practically the same chip) but maybe NVIDIA just doesn't allow that?
@poorsap1598
11 ай бұрын
Having a modern gpu with no power connector is very much needed for a reasonable price. Adding it to old business pcs for a nice budget pc is where its at. I feel like a rx 6500 or a 4050 ti with 6gb of vram would be nice.
@bricefleckenstein9666
9 ай бұрын
1:58 Low profile cards are LIGHT - they don't need a backplate for rigidity.
@ilijazafirov4192
11 ай бұрын
How about the new RTX A4000 LP graphics card vs the RTX4060 LP, the a4000 is also 70W It is actually named RTX A4000 SFF to be more precise if you are unable to find it as LP
@bricefleckenstein9666
9 ай бұрын
Down side, the A4000 is VERY pricy. Makes the 6GB A2000 look cheap, and even the 12GB A2000 look fairly cheap.
@philtkaswahl2124
11 ай бұрын
There is something amusing about those low profile cards being slotted into a system with that massive chonker of a cooler on it.
@TechIOwn
11 ай бұрын
While not as impressive as Dawid's beast it does look kind of funny slotted beside a Noctua NH-L12S, a lot of heatsink for a low profile case.
@denko69
11 ай бұрын
Yeah you should definitely try it out with a new optiplex
@uglybob7505
11 ай бұрын
For one moment I thought that was a normal size card and your hands were ENORMOUS !!!!!!!!!!
@jinmail3294
11 ай бұрын
This shows how important cooling is to have a decent performance
@HappyBeezerStudios
11 ай бұрын
From what I've seen, the 40 series seem to be really efficient at 900-950 mV. You can reduce power draw and increase performance at the same time. And less power draw means easier cooling.
@TheCunningStunt
11 ай бұрын
also replacing the PSU in the Optiplex makes a huge difference. Just drop the mother board in an ATX case with a decent watt PSU and mod connections as necessary. Can by adapter kits for fans and such for optiplex depending on the model. Because they're not all created equal. Mines a 9010 SFF with an i7 4770, so while there are no front interface mods for it, it can take a proper full size 24 pin PSU, which of course helps with using GPU's that need external power.
@devon5626
11 ай бұрын
monster graphics card!
@BaIlincat43
11 ай бұрын
Ever since I heard of the LP 4060 I've been waiting for this video
@The11devans
11 ай бұрын
The power setup in that optiplex is a monstrosity, and exactly what I expected of you. congrats
@eclipsemantis
11 ай бұрын
Watching this on a school bus on the way home from a cross country meet. I left my earbuds at home. Thanks for the closed captions!
@ih5643
11 ай бұрын
You should get an optioned with a system that runs some ddr4 like a 6th gen and see how it runs. I bet it’s a huge difference.
@ilijazafirov4192
11 ай бұрын
I have it on 8th gen Intel CPU, 8700 to be precise, and it runs very well, though I have the 6GB ram version of the A2000 Also ddr4 on 6th gen doesn't exist unless you talk about laptops in which case it is impossible to test it
@ih5643
11 ай бұрын
I have an HP desktop with a i7-6700 in it and 32GB DDR4 in it. It was 5th gen that started to switch between DDR3 and DDR4 @@ilijazafirov4192
@randomtech94
11 ай бұрын
@@ilijazafirov4192 there are motherboards in lga1151 with ddr4.
@Reza1984_
8 ай бұрын
I recently bought the 4060 LP for an HP Prodesk G9 12500 Intel. Since these chassis are so confined, the space between the PSU and GPU fans is around 5mm, almost blocking any airflow and causing the GPU to choke on its heat, reaching 102 on the hotspot with the case lid open. Once I removed the PSU, it gave the card enough breathing room to operate normally. They should've gone with a blower-style cooler. I even considered modding this with a blower cooler, but it's not an easy job, to be honest.
@Grgxr
11 ай бұрын
Would be cool if there is a way to only use pcie power on the 4060
@itsmilan4069
11 ай бұрын
manually limit the TDP
@How23497
11 ай бұрын
If you undervolt like hell you probably could
@linuxnerd5319
11 ай бұрын
I agree I thought the main selling point of LP cards was the non extrnal power needed.
@ppsarrakis
11 ай бұрын
@@linuxnerd5319 its for use on a HTPC system aswell
@kentluo7168
11 ай бұрын
But the problem is that it cannot be turned on without connecting the 8pin power supply, not even the 6pin one.
@Generalkidd
11 ай бұрын
When it comes to low profile GPUs, I'm still partial to the nVidia Tesla T4. Another pricey GPU but it's a single slot, solely slot powered GPU with RTX 2070 performance. The A2000 and 4060 LP are nice but neither are single slot which limits the size of some low profile builds. That being said, nVidia Tesla GPUs do require more setup than GeForce or formerly Quadro GPUs.
@hum430
11 ай бұрын
Hi, if you want to branch out and try other companies low profile cards there's this. Arc Pro A60 12 GB graphics card and I think AMD are also doing something similar. Could be fun to compare price/performance in your unique and enjoyable way. Keep up the good work.
@jameslake7775
11 ай бұрын
The Pro A60 is single-slot full-profile, the Pro A50 is dual-slot low-profile, and both of them are absolute unobtainium. I haven’t been able to find them either stand-alone, in prebuilts, or second hand yet, despite their “release”. AMD’s got the Radeon Pro W7600, which is single-slot full-profile with a 6-pin and is basically a W7600 with a lower boost clock, and maybe more interesting in the field of “putting pro GPUs places they shouldn’t be and doing things they’re not meant for”: the cut down W7500 that’s also single slot and full height, but doesn’t need a power cable.
@hum430
11 ай бұрын
@@jameslake7775 so you wouldn't be at all interested in seeing the comparison? I thought that it might be interesting. I couldn't remember the name of the AMD offering. Thanks for letting me know as I knew that I'd read it somewhere.
@jameslake7775
11 ай бұрын
@@hum430 Oh it would be neat to see, but the point was more that I'm not sure you can do the Arc Pro comparison, since the cards only seem to exist on paper. At the right price I'd be dangerously tempted by an A60, but Intel can't say when or where or how much!
@hum430
11 ай бұрын
@@jameslake7775 yes, I did a quick search after your message and it does appear elusive still it's the type of video he excels in so it would be fun if he could an apparent power draw maximum of 130 and of course I am also interested in what the AMD card has to offer.
@LeitoAE
11 ай бұрын
You don't need a mini dp to big dp adapter. You can buy a cable that has mini dp on one side. Considering that we have monitors with mini dp sometimes it makes it even a good idea to slowly move to mini dp. In my opinion it is like switching from USB A to USB C. But when speaking of USB C - we could switch to USB C ports for video too.
@raheel9711
11 ай бұрын
Curious to see how the LP 4060 runs at 70 watts 😅
@EddieOtool
11 ай бұрын
I mean, looks like it's a tiny baby to the gighuge 40 series. Very, very cute baby at that.
@mr._ejiire
11 ай бұрын
These couldn't've _possibly_ come out at a better time, either--all of the RTX A2000s online are either out of stock or more expensive than this (USED, mind you).
@volvo09
11 ай бұрын
a2000's are stupidly expensive. They were a hot ticket item for mining, I don't know if the demand is still there for them, but I would have expected prices to come down...
@travisdonotsuscribegototjs9323
11 ай бұрын
The Fan adapter and SSD should be fine the 4060 needs the 12v rail and the SSD only needs the 5v rail so good to go, but i always like to have the adapter on two different rails to evenly distribute
@45eno
11 ай бұрын
I found a used Silverstone GD09B for $40 about a year ago to replace low profile Silverstone MediaPC. Now I run full size GPUs and glad I can get better for cheaper when not restrained by low profile form factors. 2x 120mm intakes and 1x 120mm exhaust makes for great living room or bedroom MediaPCs. I have two these built one with 5800x/6700xt/x570s Tomahawk, 48gb / 5tb NVMe /4tb Red+ and other bedroom slightly lesser 5600x/6600xt/x570s Tomahawk/32gb/3tb NVMe. Both with Noctua D9L and U9S. All built at crazy discounted prices usually 50% on most all parts.
@martux6815
11 ай бұрын
the die dimension and the fact that you can have a lp 4060 confirm one more time that this simply a 4050
@johnroberts2905
11 ай бұрын
8:42
@Segmaster01
11 ай бұрын
Dawid, you should consider making an updated video on these low profile Dell rigs. You can get Optiplex 3080 with a 10th gen i5 for $450 or less, which would make for a really compact and capable gaming rig if paired with a card like this. Cheers!
@shadowsteppah
11 ай бұрын
You can get an SFF optiplex with an i5 8500 for around 100 these days Dawid. Would probably give the 4060 some air to breathe
@samvega827
11 ай бұрын
"I was about to say not stupid about this, but I feel that ship has sailed!" Lmao good ol Dawid videos.
@adamhooper2476
11 ай бұрын
Maybe make a custom HTPC/Slim PC with it. That I think would be it's best use. Perhaps something weird off AliExpress that can only use LP cards. Or make the smallest gaming PC you can possibly do with it and a Flex PSU.
@johnevans3562
11 ай бұрын
I play starfield with a gtx 1050ti at 30fps and i'm having a blast. It dips down during intense scenes but it's never unplayable. Just a simple overclock and then an optimization mod off the nexus has the game looking very damn close to 1080p native.
@joshb6470
11 ай бұрын
3:59 I swear I thought when the view changed to looking at the system that the system was smoking until I realized it was the game in the background, not smoke pouring off like grandma and the aunts at christmas watching me open presents without batteries at christmas in the 80s
@originaltim82
9 ай бұрын
I'm dead when he said " that ship has sailed "... ROFL ! Love it Dawid. Keep it up, I love your content !!
@bricefleckenstein9666
9 ай бұрын
A2000 LIST PRICE is only $449, and it's widely available for $400 OR LESS on used cards on Amazon (certified) - for the 6GB version. The 12GB version IS crazy priced. 4060 low profile performance is all about it's higher power draw (A2000 DOES NOT NEED OR HAVE an additional power connector as you did mention) allowing higher clock rates, they are same almost identical core count and both are Ada generation. The other issue is that SO FAR the only low profile 4060 is Gigabyte with their GARBAGE DIE TOO FAST fans - I'd wait for a similar release from someone like MSI or ASUS that uses decent reliable fans.
@VatchGaming
11 ай бұрын
8:34 this is a fire risk the sata power cable can only hold around 54 watts. Also it's worse when you daisy chain cables like that.
@Ladioz
11 ай бұрын
I love this guy's attitude and sense of humor
@edplat2367
11 ай бұрын
You need to drill some air holes in the side of the optiplex and undervolt the gpu and lower the power target in afterburner.
@cioa9299
11 ай бұрын
Idk why I just get so fucking excited whenever new dawid video comes out. It's kinda like the excitement I got when my favorite cartoon shows got new episodes!
@killkiss_son
11 ай бұрын
You need to test more weird things !!! It's hilarious
@Soddus.
11 ай бұрын
OMFG i was just looking for reviews of this gpu earlier
@harryhalfmoon
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. I did not know of LP cards before. Do note: I cannot save this video to 'watch later', which is something I use a lot. Usually I gather interesting videos first and then watch them. This is not possible with this video.
@IAmStillNotMatthew
6 ай бұрын
The first time I watched this video I thought of how efficient new GPUs are getting, getting the video recommended again made me think.. what if Nvidia releases a version of the 4060.. or even a 4050 that runs on just PCIE power without the need for any cables. I wonder what the price-performance ratio would be in applications like this.
@cronos7509
11 ай бұрын
The RTX 4060 have a pcie 4.0 at 8X like the 4060 ti. The motherboard of the I7 2600 have a pcie 2.0 at 16X (or 8). Try the 4060 in modern motherboard set to pcie 3.0 for see the différence VS 4.0. The A2000 have a pcie 4.0 at 16X. Not realy a problem with pcie 3 at 16X.
@user-ly2ds8sf4n
11 ай бұрын
2:32 my heart dropped when you bent the board that hard
@tyre1337
11 ай бұрын
6:35 1. you can use the regular geforce drivers for the a2000, works just fine 2. the driver update has barely improved any performance
@Thurgosh_OG
11 ай бұрын
Yes Dawid. Put it in your diary to do a build with this low profile 4060 in 5 years. We'll still be here to watch you.
@Sundayinthelife
11 ай бұрын
Dawid: "Maybe I should do a v-" Everyone: "Yes. Duh."
@jackson5440
11 ай бұрын
I have a 3069 and it looks so similar to that just a little bigger and it has 12 gigs of memory
@SinisterPuppy
11 ай бұрын
Only a few min in and wish Gigabyte had included a toggle like the dual bios cards have. You could flip between 75w and 115w power profiles. Would have been nice to have the option to disable the 8pin in you're willing to sacrifice some perf.
@Stifle9
11 ай бұрын
Currently building a no compromises CAD workstation in under 4L with this card, 12700k, hdplex GaN psu. Very tight but great potential
@ewenchan1239
11 ай бұрын
One thing to keep in mind: If you're ONLY using it for gaming and maybe some video transcoding -- then you're probably fine or well-to-do with the RTX 4060. But if you're going to need, for example, CUDA 12 support, the RTX 4060 is going to be questionable in this area. (I use the RTX A2000 6 GB version for CFD, and there is little to no guarantee that the CFD code will run on the 4060 because it is missing features/CUDA support that the A2000 has.) So, just keep that in mind as you make your purchasing decisions.
@Arthurzeiro
9 ай бұрын
I just got an Optiplex with an i5-10500, that seems like an affordable enough middle ground between the older Optiplex models and the ones you showed.
@calebbroday
11 ай бұрын
3:14 "The cooler is pretty cool"
@albinoalpaca1059
11 ай бұрын
Nice video. I picked up one of these graphics cards as a secondary GPU for encoding for streaming/recording. I wanted this in particular cause I didnt want to block airflow from my main GPU. With my particular mobo, I have the main GPU at 4.0 x16 and this LP one at 4.0 x4. Everything stays cool. Main GPU sees its normal temps like before and this card pulls no power so its usually below 60'C
@rsCubeNoob
11 ай бұрын
I want to see a comparison between rtx 4000 ada and this card. I'm pretty sure that that card had about 6000 cuda cores which is higher than 4060
@physxme
11 ай бұрын
9:20 I don't know if the lower temp here is a very good indication that the thermal problem is solved. In that previous footage which showed 90C, the GPU load is high at about 100%, here it's not even 50%. Perhaps you should get a more consistent scenario where the GPU is always fully loaded such as furmark? The GPU isn't throttling to 200Mhz so that's good. But we still don't know if the cooler can handle the advertised ~115W TDP.
@FerralVideo
11 ай бұрын
The main problem is that all modern SFF Optiplexes since about Haswell have wedged the main PCIe card right up against the chassis. Doublewide GPUs like this one won't work in them, leaving your only meaningful option the RX6400 Potato Edition. I've confirmed this up to 8th gen Intel, and given this I'm pretty sure that the modern ones have the same problem. They've used the same overall design in all of these models I've looked at.
@BushidoBrownSama
11 ай бұрын
How cute, It's like a scaled down version of the modern behemoth vidcard lol
@Titokhan2
11 ай бұрын
theres an ebay seller selling configurable optiplex sff's (7010/20/40, currently out of 50's and 60's) with a bunch of different configs if you wanted to try one closer to now instead of waiting on a 10th gen or newer to get cheap I spec'd out a 7040 with a Ci7 (looks to be 6th gen), 16 GB ram, 500GB ssd for around $230. If you wanted to try the LP 4060 in something with a bit more room (the SFF 7040 is a little taller if i remember right, its been a hot minute (6+ years) since i worked on one, and i think you can put a nvme ssd in it
@gscurd75
11 ай бұрын
You are way braver than me. I would have never closed that case with those wires in it. Would have left it open with a fire extinguisher handy.
@ogrejd
11 ай бұрын
@4:10 - It IS going in an Optiplex? Whew! And good timing - I was literally typing out (hence the timestamp) "Boo! What's the point of using the test bench? Low-profiles should ONLY go in an Optiplex!" when you broke the good news. Glad the video isn't going to be boring. ;)
@Betonoszlop
11 ай бұрын
The LP was familiar from vinyl discs only. On topic. That card is cute
@hi2colin
11 ай бұрын
In regards to the 8 pin, I think it would be less of an issue if it were a 6 pin. Those are easier to fined on inexpensive OEM power supplies, and it only needs a bit more than board power
@outtheredude
11 ай бұрын
In the Future-ture--ture (with echo): "On this episode of Dawid Does Tech Stuff with a Zimmerframe, we take a fond look back at a Dell Optiplex from 2023 with my old faithful low profile RTX 4060, along with taking a fond look back as to when I was young enough not to need a man-nappy."
@romevang
11 ай бұрын
The 4060 is a PCIe gen 4 8x card. The Dell optiplex is a PCIe gen 2 and at 8 lanes... probably the cause of the stuttering?
@ZaBruhBn
11 ай бұрын
“Its also more power hungry which can potentially limit its use cases” **hdplex 500w gan has entered chat**
@DunkelBisBunt
11 ай бұрын
Been waiting ages for a new low profile card and I had NO idea that they release a 4060 oO Awesone
@Quadromodo
5 ай бұрын
There are two thrones in the realm of low profile graphics cards: Single slot and dual slot.
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