"If someone wants you to pay loads of money to join their 'philosophical movement', you should run into the opposite direction.............. huge thank to our patreons for your support." Oh Wisecrack, how could you have missed this chance of comedic gold =(
@Arkhs
3 жыл бұрын
I mean there's a difference in the how they espouse philosophy but that would be quite funny.
@lyn9291
3 жыл бұрын
The difference is Wisecrack is not a philosophical movement. They are not pushing any ideology on us. I bet you 10 cents that Nexium POS never told his followers to go read a book!
@j.schmitt220
3 жыл бұрын
@@lyn9291 Oh... its a joke, Lyn. You supposed to laugh =D
@richiedagger733
3 жыл бұрын
"Its not a lie, if you believe it." - George Costanza
@nakenmil
3 жыл бұрын
That is, admittedly, technically true.
@nathanielhellerstein5871
2 жыл бұрын
Then it's a delusion.
@buruzn09
3 жыл бұрын
“So, we’re still saying it’s a ‘no-go’ on sex slaves.”
@maxmendiola2187
3 жыл бұрын
Michael’s version of “fun” is talking about a sociopathic cult leader for 15 minutes
@Mr_Case_Time
3 жыл бұрын
“A Philosopher Reacts to Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”. Perhaps there’s some fat to chew on there? Anyway, I love that damn book.
@Acoolakim007
3 жыл бұрын
I heard it pop up several times on my radar. Sounds promising, it's on my list
@helgahaa
3 жыл бұрын
ZatAoMM, or A Philosopher Reacts to etc
@RAFAELSANTOS-cn4rm
3 жыл бұрын
Love the new format!
@ErikratKhandnalie
3 жыл бұрын
I fucking cheered when you brought up Hegel. Everybody forgets Hegel. Whoooo, dialectics!
@SunDanceKidOffDaClock
3 жыл бұрын
Michael you hit this shit outta the park 👍🏽 hopefully there’s more “philosopher reacts to” content
@younusahmed8838
3 жыл бұрын
"Raniere is peddling in exactly the type of bullshit that postmodernism has been criticized for by those who, frankly, didn't read the books." I see some shade on Peterson here.
@antkcuck
3 жыл бұрын
Derrida peddled some bullshit too
@bradenross4182
3 жыл бұрын
Jordan?
@DMWayne-ke7fl
3 жыл бұрын
It's not like Foucualt literally argued that truth was just a means to power.
@troaaxaltion
3 жыл бұрын
Michael! I often criticized you in the past for reading off the promp more than Jared did. When you opened up and went off the cuff in this video, I related and laughed out loud, it was a breath of fresh air! I'm now a fan! Keep this honesty in your presentation!
@ramontavaresdacruz2256
3 жыл бұрын
When Michael shaked his head in a no no after hearing "So, abuse is a made up human construct.", I was also shaking my head before seeing him shaking his xD You gotta be really dumb to start any sentence like this
@DMWayne-ke7fl
3 жыл бұрын
But it is the logical end state of post modernism. Truth is but a means to power.
@gengarvenom1180
3 жыл бұрын
*"And if a philosophical education is what you seek..."* Oh, here comes another sponsor. *"Simply visit your local library."* Wait, that's illegal!
@TheBackyardChemist
3 жыл бұрын
It actually would be illegal right now in my country to enter the local library, as it is closed due to the pandemic.
@damianalejandro6959
3 жыл бұрын
God i miss paper books
@giorgio5494
3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Muykle
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBackyardChemist Lots of texts have digital copies you can download.
@mistersippi2945
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBackyardChemist Maybe if they were in the library more often they could’ve learned how to prevent a pandemic! I can’t talk shit though. I’m American and 50% of our citizens don’t even believe in viruses, germs, chemistry, or freedom. “If I want to give someone Covid shouldn’t that be MY CHOICE!” Is the most used line I hear. Yet these same people also say “well for the good of the country we should segregate by race and forcibly remove “others” and relocate them to the wilderness” you know “for freedom”. That’s the only “logical” answer and if you don’t want to live in a fascist dictatorship, where fat slovenly “men” with man tits and no muscle tone can call you lazy while you work a 10 hour day and they play games all day you’re “too emotional”. Imagine Michael Moore lecturing you on fitness, health, character and “freedom” as he waddles around a PC playing Warhammer for 4 days straight. Then imagine that guy, who has no job or friends, or skills, or character says that he can collect welfare because “the government owes him something because he’s white”. Then imagine that EXACT SAME guy and 100 guys just like him say that YOU are the lazy emotional one for working a 10 hour day because “the games he plays rather than work engages his mind” and that the black guy who you work for, that works even harder for the past 5 decades should be segregated because “he doesn’t do enough to justify equality”. Then imagine him, and all of his flock sobbing openly because you won’t agree with them that they’re the real “patriots/alphas” for being lazy hedonistic Communists who REFUSE to be individual and demand the credit of a collective hive mind such that he can never exist as his own person, just a collection of mainstream nonsense. Also imagine this guy saying that the government should “endorse arranged marriages” because women are too shallow and emotional and they shouldn’t get a say on the matter. No fat chicks though, and they better not expect him to work, and they better be prepared to clean his messy house, make him his favorite foods (pizza rolls, man and cheese, chicken nuggets, and all the other foods slobs adore) and climb atop his 5’10 350 lbs frame every night. You know to fight Communism.
@GreatKingEd
3 жыл бұрын
Come on Michael, if you'd plugged your book sooner I would've bought it sooner
@alliemay9228
3 жыл бұрын
yea really!! I need to give my family xmas gift ideas!
@TheModernMachine
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know he has a PhD
@AxxLAfriku
3 жыл бұрын
I was a boy. They were two girls. Can I make it any more obvious? I am the ULTlMATE L0VER on this platform. Don't enter my ch*nnel if you are not above a certain age, dear es
@Liam-rn1qb
3 жыл бұрын
Same, I didn't even know he had a PhD, I feel like I need to start addressing him as Dr in the comment section now
@ginoanfewso9732
3 жыл бұрын
Can someone lmk what the title of the book is? Lol
@KatherinaBathory
3 жыл бұрын
The "we are beasts and cannot avoid wanting sex" is an argument I used to hear from both rapists and cheaters repeatedly during the 90's... ugh
@joelman1989
3 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing this and think “maybe you are... but that doesn’t mean we all are.”
@zeXr0andNeGi
3 жыл бұрын
Asexuals crip walking right through that bullshit
@larahill82
3 жыл бұрын
@@zeXr0andNeGi you say that , but there is something there, creeping. Everyone requires something. Ya'll just super creepy about that tribute, whatever it may be.
@samiraperi467
3 жыл бұрын
@@larahill82 You say that because you have no fucking idea how aces work. Requiring something doesn't mean doesn't mean requiring sex.
@zeXr0andNeGi
3 жыл бұрын
@@larahill82 you really gotta stop thinking "base urges" are a thing.
@pvtpain66k
3 жыл бұрын
8:16 I'll translate, "The abuse I commit isn't abuse because I said so & liked it, but when the people I abused tell on me, that hurts my feelings." This line is proof of his damage & evidence toward his crimes.
@melinabee3
3 жыл бұрын
Also such a typical attitude of abusers
@ElanaVital83
3 жыл бұрын
I once had to apologize to my abuser because he hurt his back throwing me across the room.
@user-ry4eg2mg2y
3 жыл бұрын
@@ElanaVital83 WHAT THE FUCK
@GabrielKnightz
3 жыл бұрын
"I discovered at a very young age that if i talk long enough, i could make anything right or wrong. So either i'm god or truth is relative. In either case, Booyah." - Jeff Winger.
@SirZodler
3 жыл бұрын
I see, a man of culture
@Wertsir
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, it's just that the average person has a much harder time saying 'booyah' to moral relativism.
@plantae420
3 жыл бұрын
So if Jeff Winger don‘t belive in death he can live forever? Can he fly if he don’t belive in gravity? There is objective truth even if we can‘t always recognize it. But we can approche it. Some ideas like Einsteins theory is more true than Newtons theory, and Newton is more closer to the truth than Aristoteles, and Aristoteles theory is more closer than no theory. And if he talks long enough to disprove objective truth, he either just changes the definition of a word or he becomes entangled in logical contradictions.
@plantae420
3 жыл бұрын
Only for completeness. I don‘t argue for objective moral. I argue for the existence of objective truth.
@quarepercutisproximum9582
3 жыл бұрын
@@plantae420 but isn't the existence of objective truth only questioned in terms of whether a human can fully comprehend it?
@JustinY.
3 жыл бұрын
I can sense a new series blooming already
@darien9487
3 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, a Justin Y comment from a minute ago.
@Codarius
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, look, it's the guy I see in every comment section.
@silvertrimhill9844
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see this guy do a collab with telltale-athiest
@davidbeckett9547
3 жыл бұрын
Kiss me
@kevind3974
3 жыл бұрын
Philosopher reacts to cult/political leaders. Specifically the evil ones. Sounds great
@davydthebob291
3 жыл бұрын
am I fake for watching you for a while but not knowing you have a whole PHD
@randallprince
3 жыл бұрын
I came to the comments just to make sure I wasn't the only one who also didn't know this. Awesome!!
@buttonmasher7615
3 жыл бұрын
I am actually shocked by this news. For some reason, I didn’t exactly put it together that the Wisecrack team actually have experts.
@Liam-rn1qb
3 жыл бұрын
I also had no clue
@lindashrugemoji9351
3 жыл бұрын
i had no clue but it isn’t surprising
@AcornRiot
3 жыл бұрын
I barely remember his name so no you're doing better than me
@Twisttheawesome
3 жыл бұрын
"People who only have their own interests at heart should run the country, because when they're in the most powerful position in the state they'll... really think about what's best for others!" "Abuse is made up - it doesn't exist. so please stop saying I'm abusing you, because THAT's abuse!!!" This guy has some incredible double-think power
@legoqueen2445
3 жыл бұрын
The force is powerful in this one
@Joe--
3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@Torus2112
3 жыл бұрын
Typical sociopath thinking. If everyone just looked out for themselves the world would be a simpler place, selfishness is a virtue. If what I'm doing is stressing you out that's your problem, how dare you blame me for what's going on in your own head.
@thewildcardperson
3 жыл бұрын
@@Torus2112 isnt that selfish of you why do i need to be concerned about your feeling things i cannit control people like you and in this video are little baby children who havent expirienced a thing in the real world and couldnt build a lego set much less and philosophy that can guide a society to greatness
@Dude_Abides
3 жыл бұрын
Is this goin to be a new series? A philosopher reacts to.... Im down for it
@dariuskeen9046
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that'l be dope.
@SuperMrDelgado
3 жыл бұрын
Don't encourage horseshit.
@SpikeTFA
3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperMrDelgado which part are you referring to as horseshit?
@cobrakingofeart
3 жыл бұрын
i'd like to see him react to/discuss the accuracy of the shinto roots of "sex magic" as portrayed (loosely) in Hybrid × Heart Magias Academy Ataraxia see if we can get him to blush
@unvergebeneid
3 жыл бұрын
Who wants to watch philosophers react to a thing if you can just as well watch teens react to a thing? .... well, maybe teen philosophers could work.
@rodneymckay8860
3 жыл бұрын
The only cult worth joining is Cobra Kai because “fear does not exist.”
@Dingleberrycrunch36
3 жыл бұрын
Out. Of. Commission.
@royalewithcheese7
3 жыл бұрын
I thought cobra kai's mantra was "sweep the leg"
@mrsejanoz523
3 жыл бұрын
"Without fear, life is meaningless." - The Scarecrow, Batman: Arkham Knight
@Haibing22
3 жыл бұрын
Strike first! Strike hard! No mercy!
@kay4x4
3 жыл бұрын
''Me! Me!'' - Mr. Peanutbutter
@blakem.92
3 жыл бұрын
Lol gaslighting and bullying isn't philosophy.
@GusOfTheDorks
3 жыл бұрын
That's true, actions aren't philosophy. But whats being said in this video about it is near meaningless. I agree that I don't want these things to happen to people. But vastly over simplifying things by just calling them bad without a reasoning why they are bad or illogical doesnt really help anything. In fact, it just might make it worse since you leave a gap of information that someone like a cult leader could exploit.
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
3 жыл бұрын
This comment sounds like it was made by someone who does gaslighting and bullying.
@teethgrinder83
3 жыл бұрын
@@fireflocs lol what are you like 😂
@JWH3
3 жыл бұрын
Depends on what you call philosophy. At it's most basic philosophy just means 'A way to think" of which gaslighting bullying and the use of these rhetorical tricks to gain personal power is definitely a philosophy, it's just one founded on dishonesty manipulation and a careless will to twist any word to mean what they want it to to get what they want. Philosophical terrorists you might say.
@youthofyesterdayrecords
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's modern journalism.
@Ares_gaming_117
3 жыл бұрын
making Michael do a hair loss ad is just rude lol
@madisonbeckstrand9254
Жыл бұрын
"Woooow Dude wrote a fable" is by far one of the best shut downs of someone I've had the pleasure of hearing
@lukemccann8930
3 жыл бұрын
"we're obsessed with cults...." *running up quickly with pamphlets* "...we have no desire to join a cult" *quickly hides pamphlets behind back*
@Dan-ud8hz
3 жыл бұрын
“Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.” Μηκέθ᾽ ὅλως περὶ τοῦ οἷόν τινα εἶναι τὸν ἀγαθὸν ἄνδρα διαλέγεσθαι, ἀλλὰ εἶναι τοιοῦτον. ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, X, 16
@LucasDeziderio
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, I liked the format! Can we have more of Philosopher Reacts?
@justinbuergi9867
3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact This cult leader went to my college We often joke that he is one of our most famous alumni Oh and our schools logo is “why not change the world”. Seems like he did his best to live up to that
@patobarajas7207
3 жыл бұрын
Wow that is wild!
@kyokyodisaster4842
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, change is relative, but I feel like Infamy is not change...
@justinbuergi9867
3 жыл бұрын
@@kyokyodisaster4842 I did say he did his best lol
@masmantour
3 жыл бұрын
What a motto. 🤷♂️ why not?
@tysondennis1016
3 жыл бұрын
He's famous...If you live by the rule that "bad publicity is good publicity."
@AlmeidaVaG6
3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of, as a philosopher, calling out people who are called "philosophers" without ever actually talking about actual philosophical theory, can you please analyse Ben Shapiro next? Really pisses me off to hear people call him "the cool kids' philosopher"
@ambiguoussarcasm
3 жыл бұрын
Jfc, who ever called Ben fucking Shapiro “cool”? He’s not a philosopher, he’s an idiot with too much confidence
@laneythelame
3 жыл бұрын
Wow i know nearly nothing about ben shapiro but one thing im absolutely sure of is he is not a philosopher
@dtown_demon
3 жыл бұрын
lanethelame man, ur lucky u know nothing about him lol
@darkmyro
3 жыл бұрын
@@laneythelame he's not, he's a political commentator, lawyer, and author. That's not really a high bar to achieve( maybe the lawyer one is, but then again there are lots of lawyers who don't make a ton.) he's like Rush Limbaugh( who's a radio personality and author in the same vein). All they do for a living is tell conservative republicans what they wanna hear. Which is mostly that foreigners suck, America is great/nothing needs to change, and there are too many taxes. Though the most I've ever seen of Ben Shapiro is his awful review of infinity war movie and a little bit of where he talks about the songs the Rap song WAP and John Lennon's Imagine, all of which are terrible and kinda funny in how terrible they are cause they completely miss the point of the works.
@JWH3
3 жыл бұрын
They're still philosophers, they're just not new ideas. You don't have to have a fundamentally new idea to be a philosopher or no one would be considered a philosopher. Calling these people 'non philosophers' is pointless gatekeeping, beat them at their own game, out think them to defeat them, don't just try to define them out of the category you're trying to defend. Let them in and fucking crush them.
@mirceatudor7133
3 жыл бұрын
"They say philosophy starts in condescension" I loved this line, I'm gonna use it
@josuebartley7272
3 жыл бұрын
9:48 I feel uncomfortable about are thumbless cousins giving us the thumbs up
@alejandrodiosa1
3 жыл бұрын
That's because they aren't thumbless.
@JohnMoseley
3 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrodiosa1 Right. They have thumbs. They just aren't opposable.
@alejandrodiosa1
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnMoseley Tarsiers and Marmosets have non-opposable thumbs. New world monkeys and Apes have opposable thumbs. There are other primates that have semi-opposable thumbs.
@JohnMoseley
3 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrodiosa1 Thanks.
@felixthehuman
3 жыл бұрын
that part of the video drove me to the Wikipedia thumb page.
@darienjewel5130
3 жыл бұрын
Have you've guys ever considered putting together a reading list? That'd be pretty cool, you'd could even make a video around it
@TheThuba
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes and yes
@mandisaw
3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that just be the credits section of every video?
@victoriasketcher9495
3 жыл бұрын
I am here for that ☺️
@tiler6984
3 жыл бұрын
Why y'all gotta come for the audience's insecurities with the hair loss ad 😭😂 somebody did their research
@princeLaharl2
3 жыл бұрын
Wisecrack is still my favorite cult 💝
@laneythelame
3 жыл бұрын
Omg yes
@cheezmogreen
3 жыл бұрын
I miss Jared, but Michael is killin it. I really like his videos.
@TerranPersoid725
3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t realize Michael had a degree. He’s actually pretty good at this kind of stuff. Though I do miss Jared as well...
@Cheshiremd
3 жыл бұрын
Ok, where is Jared?
@philv2529
Жыл бұрын
I like Michael because he's been trained in philosophy.
@FatherJohnCarmody
Жыл бұрын
Idk who tf Jared is. I got here kind of late.
@GryynGlo
3 жыл бұрын
Saying Ayn Rand is ethics is like saying cardboard is food. Sure you can eat it and it fills you up but there’s no substance and literally no value
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
3 жыл бұрын
Although I'm not an Ayn Rand fan, that comment is of course hyperbolic. There's something to learn from Objectivism. Just don't treat it like the word of God (or any philosophy, or religion for that matter).
@GryynGlo
3 жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION There’s obviously stuff to learn from Objectivism simply because of Rand’s cultural significance, but treating it on the same level as other ethical theories is in my opinion at least suspect. Rand has been largely ignored by academic philosophers and doesn’t in my opinion warrant the same degree of study as other ethicists. I’m not trying to be explicitly normative or anything here, this is just my two cents.
@Lambda_Ovine
3 жыл бұрын
"According to the University that gave me a PhD and the people who published my book, I am too [a philosopher]." Weird flex, but OK. No, but seriously, holly poo bro! I expected the team at Wisecrack to be, at best, some sort of team of people with a bachelor's degree in English and a minor on philosophy, which to be fair, that would already be far more than what we deserve, but we get to be spoiled by people with doctorates?! I say, that's pretty neat 👍
@Calpsotoma
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the genuine "smartest man alive" wouldn't call himself that. Most people are either an expert in one field or a generalist in many, but no one lacks blind spots. A smart person would recognize this and anyone making claims to being the most intelligent person is likely a victim of the Dunning Kruger effect.
@eziotemplarkiller
3 жыл бұрын
he lost me at Ayn rand.....😂😂 Being a sociopath is not philosophy
@weathered19
3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t heard anything that is remotely close to original. The X factor in cults is the leader. They have a “presence” that tends to draw people.
@TK-hs8pt
3 жыл бұрын
"The Moral Obligation to be Intelligent." John Erskine.
@bazzfromthebackground3696
3 жыл бұрын
Should be "The moral obligation *of* intelligence."
@lorenzhohenhaus6857
3 жыл бұрын
Damn. But shouldn't smartness be kinda fun? All goofy 'n' shit but still speaking truthfully like: Bad Banks be Breaking Bad in our House Of Cards!
@lorenzhohenhaus6857
3 жыл бұрын
@Panda Pup I believe that only the emotionally crippled will survive this madhouse of being!
@stefanstojkovic3959
3 жыл бұрын
Michael saying "Hegel" triggered Google assistant lmao
@fakecharlie4030
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the Wisecrack team to take a look at Scientology.
@alexg1720
3 жыл бұрын
This format is actually pretty good. I wouldnt mind more stuff like this.
@talbrott
3 жыл бұрын
if only there was some kind of channel that did this kind of thing.
@marmiteghost
3 жыл бұрын
8:09 lol this man really said "abuse isn't real, but calling out abusers is the real abuse" wHAT.
@fatbysnacksident3217
3 жыл бұрын
I notice you said cults are “usually” bad. So maybe you’re not completely ruling out joining a cult?
@purerasslin91
3 жыл бұрын
It's really a connotation thing. One man's cult is another's church, political movement, or sometimes fandom. "Cult" is a broad term that is used to describe things such as new religious movements, or really any social group that deviates from societal norms with novel beliefs, as well as manipulative organizations centered around worshipping a single figurehead. And there's a lot of crossover in that Venn diagram.
@veselinstoyanov972
3 жыл бұрын
"cult" is a very broad word and all religions started from being cults. So yes, cults are bad but are also ok if they are big and old enough to be called a religion. P.S. For me The Church of the Flying Spaghetty Monster is the best cult/religion.
@pdzombie1906
3 жыл бұрын
What do you think society is?
@fatbysnacksident3217
3 жыл бұрын
@@pdzombie1906 IDK but I think there should be a movie about someone joining cults just to learn their evil secrets and then destroy them from the inside.. I would watch that
@darkmyro
3 жыл бұрын
@@purerasslin91 you're being a little bit too broad. cults can be religious and religions can be like cults, but they aren't the same thing. A cult usually seeks to separate you from people. The leaders and followers follow you closely and define everything you do. A religion doesn't separate you from loved ones, and it doesn't control you beyond some doctrine rules of do's and don'ts. cults have do's and don'ts too, but there's usually some kind of threat of punishment if you dont comply, typically the worst someone in religion is typically gonna do is be unhappy with you. cults shut people out who question the group. Cults want to control, religion wants followers
@julianslonim8660
3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say I was skeptical of you michael because I saw you like a replacement for Jared, but I got to admit this video made me see how awesome you can be with a new format and made me realize I was wrong. Thank you very much, this was an amazing video! Much love to you and all the crew
@DeanRendar
3 жыл бұрын
synthetic identities to pad payroll
@LightsOnTrees
3 жыл бұрын
Books are amazing they're like the internet, only they work in a power out.
@Acoolakim007
3 жыл бұрын
What if it's dark and you don't have candles/flashlight?
That guy doesn't sound smart at all. He should just steal the original ideas and don't make them dumb with his horrendous words.
@tysondennis1016
3 жыл бұрын
He just babbles on and on, and immediately contradicts himself.
@rickk4990
3 жыл бұрын
THIS GUY ACTUALLY THINKS HE IS A PHILOSOPHER!?!??!?! Having a PHD and commenting and being a spokesman for philosophy does not make you a philosopher, it makes you a SCHOLAR!
@ashleyhyatt6319
3 жыл бұрын
There is only one objective truth. That is what makes it objective. There are in fact three types of truth; objective (that which you cannot change), subjective (that which only you believe), and inter-subjective (a subjective truth shared by the many e.g. money, religion, nationalism, etc.).
@ashleyhyatt6319
3 жыл бұрын
@Dian Herdianto No, religion is an inter-subjective truth; nothing about it can be proven objectively.
@davidnichol4735
3 жыл бұрын
@Dian Herdianto which religion? Lol
@JustAMacGuffin
3 жыл бұрын
Kant have emotions if you wanna be ethical.
@SpoopySquid
3 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there
@polygoncieling5446
3 жыл бұрын
The frase “there is no objective truth” certainly does not sound like “be humble and accept the limitations of your human psyche”. You phrased it as “there is no universal truth that transcends human cultures” but If there is no truth transcending human cultures , then that statement itself is false (because it won't be true regardless of culture). Is it true that the actions of Keith Raniere were morally condemnable? Should everyone in the world condemn them? If so, then the statement that there is no truth that transcends human culture is false. But If there is no truth that transcends human cultures, then moral condemnation of Raniere (or any act for that matter) is impossible. Derrida might have not been a moral nihilist, but his philosophy certainly provided fodder for that idea.
@nakenmil
3 жыл бұрын
It's perfectly possible to condemn Rainier. The absence of super-cultural/absolute truth does not really mean all that much in practical, everyday human life, simply because humans do not really exist without culture - just as, of course, culture does not exist outside of humans (or "people", more generally). If anything, it is the search for a universal moral truth outside of culture that is a red herring. The point is to acknowledge that every moral judgement, and every observation is made within the context of a preexisting cultural context which colors and shapes that judgement or observation, and that's not really something humans can escape, because "culture" is how humans make sense of the world. The very act of observing and sensing the world is, in and of itself, an act of culture. Thinking is cultural. Acting is cultural. Humans are cultural beings, we cannot stop creating it, or rather, doing it. So, in essense, humans lack the ability to transcend ourselves (because we are culture). This really isn't as shocking or as scary as some make it out to be. Ideally it makes us aware that we need to stop and consider our action more carefully and be more open to look into the perspectives of other groups, because neither them nor us come into this world with a privileged, universal view of things. It doesn't mean that nothing matters and everything is permitted, it just highlights the fact that we don't have some kind of transcendent umpire that can call time out and step into to recite the cosmic rules. Humans make the play rules in human play pens, after all, and we ought to consider these rules very wisely, respect different perspectives on them (but that doesn't inherently mean approve of them), and have some humility given that these perspectives, however learned and clever-appearing, are ultimately just another product of human experience. So, in the end, it's not that humans can't judge Raniere, in fact, it's that ONLY humans can't judge Raniere. Because who else would?
@polygoncieling5446
3 жыл бұрын
@@nakenmil I don't think you can claim what your first paragraph says rationally without embracing moral relativism. Perhaps I should have made my point better. I concede, that you and I can both judge Rainieri. And so can everyone in the world. But such judgements would not transcend our culture. And judging him would simply be a mental process which is a result of either evolution of our culture, but completely irrelevant, since it would be a mere bodily function, like yawning. We can also judge Muritania’s stoning of male homosexuals as horrible and amoral, but then it would not be wrong for them, because their culture accepts it. And our judgement would not be a universal moral truth. If we can confidently judge what they do as wrong, then it is because such judgement is a universal thing, independent of our culture. As for the “transcendent umpire” line, I wasn’t trying to prove that there is a God. There are plenty of atheists/agnostics that believe that objective morals are true without recurring to god. In any case your argument that somehow this “cultural relativism” shows that there is no God is a non-sequitur. Even if your point was true (and I don't believe it is), it would only show that there is no moral God. Deists would be perfectly comfortable in accepting that there is a non-interventionist, non moral creator of the universe. It is true that we are limited by our sensory experience in a sense. But if such limitations are so crippling as we are led to believe, then we could not trust our moral judgement, not to mention our perception of reality. Are you really sure that you are reading a youtube comment? Are you sure you are a person and not a brain in a vat? Am I real or are you just having a discussion with yourself? Ultimately I think the point is trivial, we have to trust some (I would say most) of our senses, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to live.
@nakenmil
3 жыл бұрын
Your examples of cultures kinda hinges on a really old-fashioned idea of culture as these neat little boxes that are more or less isolated from each other, distinct, and internally homogenous. Of course, in reality, cultures don't work like that. Again, "culture" is just what people do, say, and think, and so there is an endless amount of intermixing and constant looking and moving to and fro between different, for lack of a better term, cultural currents ("culture" in itself doesn't exist of of course, it's just a term some humans made up to try to understand the world around themselves and themselves better. It's a tool for mapping our experiences, as is morality. This is important to keep in mind with all discussions like these.) For example, in the case of stoning, appeal to moral relativism (as a worldview as opposed to a methodological approach, more on that later), ignores that in this case there are multiple different parties involved, some with different views than others, different interests, and different amount of power to bring to bear. All of this is important to take into account. So again, my question is, can other groups of people judge a group of people who they think is doing something wrong? Well, obviously, who else would? But can they claim some kind of universal basis for their judgment? No. That may be upsetting, I understand, but it doesn't have to be. It's just acknowledging that at some point in your life, you have to make a moral evaluation and stand by it. You could be wrong. You could fuck up. You could be entirely unable to ever find out whether you are wrong or right. This isn't a flaw of postmodernism or relativism, it's just how the world works. Take human rights, for example. Are those universal? No, of course not, we literally just made them up a few decades ago. But they're popular, and they're useful, and they seem pretty robust, so why not? Anyways, this brings me to moral relativism, or rather cultural relativism can be divided into two for our purposes: - Absolute moral relativism: since no one can claim access to a privileged moral absolute truth, it is pointless to cast judgments across moral systems, so no such attempt should ever be made. (This is a bit nonsensical for reasons given above, ie. mora systems are rarely isolated, and they are rarely unanimously agreed upon even by its adherents) - Methodological relativism: since no one can claim access to a privileged moral absolute truth, it seems like it's a good practical approach to attempt to understand other moral systems as best we can from the perspectives of its adherents before casting judgement on them, so that we achieve a more holistic understanding of it. However, judgement is still entirely possible. Once we have a certain level of understanding of them, just as we might judge our own moral systems. The latter is what my fellow anthropologists generally hold to. Because, ultimately, we have to live in a lived world, not some kind of philosophical abstract construct. Philosophical schemae are clean and consistent. Real life is dirty, complicated, and contradictory.
@fabisayshi
3 жыл бұрын
Mike is no Jared. I miss Jared already.
@BlairCarlyle
3 жыл бұрын
I love when Michael can go off script and talk to us like a real person, this is great!
@colestramus374
3 жыл бұрын
Im pretty familiar with bdsm, and Im what you would call a "Dom" in a bdsm relationship. And I have noticed, that something like this could happen in reverse. What I mean by this, is that the one who submits (willingly and without some sick manipulation) can become obsessed about their partner who is in "control" of the dynamic. When in reality a healthy bdsm relationship relies on open communication and clear picture of "yes and no" things (things that are okay to do for both sides, like whipping for example), it can take turn into something unhealthy. I actually had to stop one relatioship because of this. Now the reason why Im telling this, is because I find it interesting and kinda scary, how far people are willing to let themselves fall. People might willingly want to lose their common sense in the favor of that fantasy, and that is scary as hell. Makes me think that how many people actually live in their own bubbles, refusing to see reality as what it is, because that fantasy feels so much better. Also people like Keith Raniere are dangerous people, because they can make their own bullshit feel justified by twisting the truth, and by that lulling victims in a false sense of safety and comfort. I really hope that Keith Raniere rots in prison that full 120 years.
@UltimateVegetto
3 жыл бұрын
Here I went thinking "What philosophies would a cult like this even be based around, it's just a bunch of ego-driven, unsubstantiated- Oh, hi there Ayn Rand!"
@miserylitmedia1050
3 жыл бұрын
Keith Raniere apparently got transferred to a maximum security prison in Tucson, AZ, which Larry Nasser had to be transferred out of due to being assaulted. I'm not sure if it was physical assault, but... given how Raniere might have murdered his last few girlfriends, can't really say I'm "sorry" at this point, tbh.
@bastian_5975
3 жыл бұрын
In AI, you can often get unexpected behavior if you don't properly tie your reward (and therefore the AI's goal) to your actual goal. If you made an AI to play a game, and decided that the score at the end of the game was going to be their reward, the AI will likely find some niche glitch/exploit that gives them infinite score long before they achieve your goal of beating the game. Life is that AI with the simple goal of creating copies of itself, and humans are the unexpected behavior. We are ultimately living things with the goal of creating and protecting copies of our genetic material in the form of other humans, but the way we do this is thousands of times more complex than the goal. We have are currently dominating our home planet, and are on the edge of dominating more. 7 Billion people and counting sounds like a success story in making more people, and once we get out among the stars, we could easily outnumber the total number of living organisms on Earth right now.
@asahearts1
3 жыл бұрын
When you get indoctrinated by a heartburn medication.
@ilooli
3 жыл бұрын
GERD GANG 🔥🔥🔥
@Marin22427
3 жыл бұрын
**sigh** I miss Jared :(
@danielmcelroy4505
3 жыл бұрын
People say all the time that they would never fall for this and I actually went to a “meeting” where I was told the topic was something completely different, the workshop leaders spent an hour covering the ‘fable’ of the founding of their movement and leader and then asked for money for us spending out time. 5$ I spent out of momentary guilt which I realize was manipulation.
@dabblerdeluxe775
3 жыл бұрын
Never met a philosopher who considered Ayn Rand a philosopher
@shafransky93
3 жыл бұрын
While I don't disagree with your sentiments throughout the video, I do find it ironic that you end the video with, if a philosophical movement asks you for money run the opposite direction, while simultaneously plugging your patreon no more than 20s later.
@kayodesalandy
3 жыл бұрын
Wisecrack as a reaction channel: "WHAT'S UP PHIL PHAM! TODAY WE'RE GONNA CHECK OUT--"
@mildsoup8978
3 жыл бұрын
I like the new segment, but I must admit the hand waving on the Beasties part did seem kinda glib, I understand that ultimately many philosophers see reason as what makes man, man, but we are still animals. One may wonder on what makes man special but one must not deny what connects us to the world. But wonder on your own don't join a cult.
@lapearl521
3 жыл бұрын
Ok, but at no time in this video was there a 'suspension of judgement'.
@Gfish17
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed.
@DMWayne-ke7fl
3 жыл бұрын
Michael also probably paid six figures to get a PhD and mocks those who paid less to learn philosophy from others.
@Gfish17
3 жыл бұрын
@@DMWayne-ke7fl Where would he get the money to pay for that?
@thewildcardperson
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gfish17 guess you havent heard of the college debt crisis
@Gfish17
3 жыл бұрын
@@thewildcardperson No I have not. And I have never been to college either.
@Ok-df1uz
3 жыл бұрын
"Dude wrote a fAble!" is so fucking funny thank you Michael from Wisecrack
@ondrabroz888
3 жыл бұрын
Michael: **has played volleyball in highschool** Me **already drawing Michael Haikyuu fanart** interesting
@asa.pankeiki
3 жыл бұрын
Garryx: _That’s for you to decide... And draw... And send to me._
@Elle-xf8mw
2 жыл бұрын
Episode 8 of documentary "The vow" was so hard to watch this little mad man showed the depth of his sickness and abuse!
@lrioje1
3 жыл бұрын
I’m not trying to grill you since it’s kind of y’all’s style, but this is a bit overedited. Most reaction videos are more natural and free-flowing. It’s not bad, I did enjoy it, but just trying to offer some constructive criticism.
@chinmaykane2196
3 жыл бұрын
Correct. I hated the interruptions
@fr.davidhogman7426
3 жыл бұрын
While this was generally a good analysis of Raniere and his “philosophy”, it seems to miss the main question of the story. “How is it that so many intelligent people were so taken in?” Saying that they weren’t educated enough does not solve the problem. NXIUM targeted smart and successful people. Similarly, as anyone who has been in a philosophy department can attest, they can be just as cult like as NXIUM or anything else. How many professors amass hordes of acolytes from among their students? Still a decent enough video though.
@darkmyro
3 жыл бұрын
cults pray on people's feelings. the part of people that seeks to socialize and to have other like-minded individuals follow them. He points out that the guy says a bunch of non-descript agreeable things. that's usually the first step of cults and then They start controlling all aspects of their follower's lives, and then they slowly control more and more, and then he threatens punishment if the rules aren't followed. It's a long con basically. It's not like academia at all because academia doesn't really care as long as you pay them. I mean I dont think any teacher wants one to fail, but they don't legally have to stop you from falling. The only thing they have in common is a person talking in front of a room of people. I'm not sure I agree with the connotation you're implying there. :/
@sfereig
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It’s important to have an educated philosopher respond to these cults
@robertstull8759
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for treating this man like the psychotic prick he really is. I'm tired of seeing coverage of cult leaders that almost seems in awe of them.
@bigsad7524
3 жыл бұрын
If reading The Fountainhead and The Gay Science made you a philosopher then my college self would be WAY less cringey
@emenesu
3 жыл бұрын
Hey where can I buy your mixtape?
@Snomrade
2 жыл бұрын
I still think Keith raniere should have a much longer sentence even though he got a 120 year sentence
@bazzfromthebackground3696
3 жыл бұрын
"Truth" is how shit happened. "Prespective" is an interpretation of truth. It doesn't change what is, just how you acknowledge it.
@KiomonDuck
3 жыл бұрын
Cool story bro. But your not wrong.
@daimonhampton
3 жыл бұрын
You can be called a philosopher even if your actively wrong
@JLauridsen
3 жыл бұрын
While this was cool and interesting, I did think there was a bit too little of the cult leaders actual philosophy and too much mockery, even if the cult leader 'deserves' it. I'd rather a cool and collected deconstruction and critique that lets me get more of a grasp of what the person talks about, so I can better understand how it's misleading, dangerous, etc. And, of course, throw in some humor and mockery now-and-then, just tone down the frequency of it a little. That's my 2 cents. I liked it and would like to see more :)
@helgahaa
3 жыл бұрын
It's not philosophy, it's the veneer of deep knowledge and the impression of exclusivity or special mission that set people up for psychological tricks of the "master." No philosophy required. The marks were wealthy and fame adjacent. I remember hearing about this super expensive club for empowering women. Ugh then but you can't help but wonder if you're missing out. That's the trick to hook the mark: appeal to some form of greed.
@edwinlor7932
3 жыл бұрын
I am curious. These cult leaders, do they operate on instincts and some rudimentary understanding of the human psyche? Or do they also do some sort of deep analysis of the people they've recruited in order to establish some plan of action? The minds of the victims are often explored and are fairly well understood thanks to the numerous survivor stories. But the leaders of said cults should really be further dissected. Unlike anything else you might one day decide to do, forming a cult is truly something unique. Wisecrack, do more cult videos!! It's good.
@Gfish17
3 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of TellTale Atheist?
@aleattorium
3 жыл бұрын
I love wisecrack and I'm always around, so I'm gonna say it as someone who wants to see the channel grow: The format is interesting, but it really looks like the person speaking already has a formed opinion and is just pretend they don't. Which... OK, is nice for us that already have this point of view, but I think would fail to capture anyone else to rethink the mess they're in.
@marianoclerici3986
3 жыл бұрын
This was very interesting. Now do Scientology!
@SmallBritney
3 жыл бұрын
“Worse summer camp ever” 🤣
@PrincessSybilla77
3 жыл бұрын
Bring back Thug Notes, you cowards!
@1990Ch1y0
3 жыл бұрын
After the part at the end about running in the opposite direction when someone asks you to "give them lots of money to join their philosophical movement", I was half expecting him to immediately follow it up with "so here's our Patreon, please consider joining" 😂
@DMWayne-ke7fl
3 жыл бұрын
How much did Michael pay for his PHD? Hypocrite.
@ElPayasoMalo
3 жыл бұрын
That brand had Allison Mack's initials. Creepy.
@reyocasio9554
3 жыл бұрын
What I learned today : Michael is confirmed PhDaddy and he has a Book
@OtherMomo
3 жыл бұрын
"No such thing as FIXED truth"? that sounds like some scary 1984 type newthink
@OtherMomo
3 жыл бұрын
"The Party doesn't wish me to be an abuser, therefore it is the truth that I am not an abuser, and to think otherwise is a thought crime against the entirety of EngSoc. Did I say "ing-sock"? No I didn't, I said Nixivimism, and to believe you heard otherwise is signs of insanity setting in."
@macrograms
3 жыл бұрын
nobody: he's smartest man alive. also nobody: it's a cult? oh it's probably fine though..
@Neolazaro91
3 жыл бұрын
I've been involved in a number cults, both as a leader and as a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.
@GabeNode21
3 жыл бұрын
Liking the new format, really enjoyed this one.
@goneutt
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, the advertising AI blended “its a no go on sex slaves” into an Audi ad,
@hadziomer
3 жыл бұрын
J.Peterson is Keith on steroids. While Keith is an opportunistic local a-hole, Peterson is a guy with a prophet-complex, the inpersonification of his favorite The Underground Man (at least his own agenda-twisted view of it). I'm stunt how Peterson (and Peterson) has so much grip even in my, other part of the world with other religion traditions (extreme-ones). Guys, keep on the good and fun work, I like this format, hope you'll knock off some more snake-oil sellers.
@domenicogrimaldi591
3 жыл бұрын
How could you compare Jordan Peterson to a guy like this? His philosophy/world view is probably the healthiest one you could have. It's been a major factor in my pulling myself out of addiction, despair, and a wasted life. The same goes for many others I know personally.
@hadziomer
3 жыл бұрын
@@domenicogrimaldi591 I'm really glad that his theaching works for you and I wish you all the best. On the other hand if you have 99,9% of water and the rest is poison, all is ruined. Fight Club with no catharsis. I would only add the words of this guy: www.google.com/search?q=gabor+on+peterson&oq=gabor+on+peterson&aqs=chrome..69i57.6698j0j4&client=ms-android-huawei-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#
@kevinmuendo9889
3 жыл бұрын
"for people who didn't read the books" Jordan Peterson: *surprised Pikachu face*
@xherdanrayng1903
3 жыл бұрын
i enjoyed this show because it reminded me of the old philosophy terms I used to study in college
@Pinksparkles1511
3 жыл бұрын
This is dope! I think the psychology and sociology of cults is so interesting
@helpyourcattodrive
3 жыл бұрын
I liked Ayn Rand a lot when I was young, but I think she is bad according to some people.
@talbrott
3 жыл бұрын
Ayn Rand acolytes are bit-of-a-dick wannabe movers n' shakers and her detractors are envy-ridden sore losers :)
@catsmom129
3 жыл бұрын
I think there’s good and bad in her philosophy Healthy self-interest = good Narcissism & callous disregard for others = bad The problem is Ayn Rand blurred the line and encouraged both
@davidnichol4735
3 жыл бұрын
@@catsmom129 Where does the "callous disregard for others" aspect come from?
@davehandelman2832
3 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to join EXECUTIVE SUCCESS PROGRAMS for a few months. It was pretty straight forward stuff. I met some SUPER nice people. I had no clue it was a cult. I couldn't afford the classes for very long....
@maximilianschulz6455
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for that one. I watched the Vow and kept thinking how he just rephrases different schools of philosophy, and people are literally crying. I would love to get a video on the other perspespectiv, like what makes people fall for a cult? Probably Max Weber comes to mind, but what else? And how is this always or most of the time happening in America? Has it something to do with the pursuit of happiness?
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