Days after recording I realized that I forgot to talk about two things that I think deserve a mention, if only in a pinned comment: 1. Rain Dish Tentacruel in Gen 5. As I alluded to earlier in the video, weather can play a strong defensive role, and largely because of that Tentacruel is one of the best mons in modern BW OU. When Rain is up it heals 6.25% health and when paired with black sludge it acts like Gliscor. It’s one of the best spinners in the tier and is really good at sticking around with protect. 2. Aurora Veil. It’s basically both Reflect and Light Screen rolled into one move, but can only be used when in hail/snow. The low amount of turns it takes to set up makes it great on Hyper Offense teams and Pokemon like A-Ninetales, which I briefly mentioned at the end, abuse this. There are also a ton of smaller mechanics that I didn’t mention, like Solar Beam/Electro Shot losing their charge turn, Harvest 100% getting back berries, and the activation order that I could’ve mentioned but there comes a point where I need to cut it off and this seemed like a reasonable spot to me.
@melaninmaster
5 ай бұрын
What about Heavy Weather? You know, the thing that gives all Pokemon the exact same stats as Macargo, but have the poison type? You know, the effect reserved specifically for the battle arena taking place somewhere close to Unova, that was exclusive to the gen 6 games for some reason? A fair ways south of it, in a peninsula? And for some reason, if you stay there for long enough without killing a pokemon, say 14 words into a mile, wait for the camera to move into a certain place, and are using at least one horse pokemon with a speed boosting move, the sun will turn into a streak in the sky and the horizon will spin? (I genuinely don't expect anyone to get this reference, but whatever.
@LoMaLouis
5 ай бұрын
Nothing hits harder than manual weather setup, the good days using mega swampert rain dance in randbats
@percsie3072
5 ай бұрын
There’s something weirdly cathartic about setting up your own weather to cleave through your opponent’s team.
@Edujs23
5 ай бұрын
If you squint enough Rain dance swampert was basically shift gear
@DarkAuraLord
5 ай бұрын
I use to run manual rain back in gen 4 - Lead Electrode with taunt, rain dance, thunder, and explosion goes absolutely brazy
@pessien8474
5 ай бұрын
@@Edujs23except it's being run by a good Pokemon with amazing typing, Klinkklank would fucking melt in his set up turn but not swampert.
@Iris_Descent
5 ай бұрын
it says a lot when a pokemon with basically silvally-tier stats like kingdra actually found success because of its typing and ability (well, and ability to hold an item.)
@kuma6572
5 ай бұрын
Remember when Archaludon beat the fraud allegations and got banned to Ubers in part because of rain
@hessenic6862
5 ай бұрын
Free Archaludon
@Ahntire
5 ай бұрын
FREE ARCHALUDON! He needs to wreak havoc once again!
@SPZ-gv2on
5 ай бұрын
Not even in part because of rain. The defensive sets were universally considered to be fine but the rain sets (mostly tera fairy AV) were pretty much free KO machines.
@ktbmk
5 ай бұрын
it was 100% only cuz of Rain yeah like what the guy above me said
@logans4789
5 ай бұрын
Archaludon is probably one of the best examples (besides excadrill) of a mon that is strong but balanced on its own, but weather setting teams make the most beyond broken.
@thelostician
5 ай бұрын
Now I understand it's incredibly niche, but there are technically five weathers, we always forget Delta Stream because well its only on one permanently banned pokemon. :P (Technically 6 weathers if we count Hail and Snow separately)
@christiancinnabars1402
5 ай бұрын
If Delta Stream/strong winds are counted, then harsh sunlight and heavy rain should also be counted as their own weathers.
@usernametaken017
5 ай бұрын
7 if you count mist
@thepurified8386
5 ай бұрын
@@usernametaken017 mist is an effect on one pokemon, you're thinking of fog
@usernametaken017
5 ай бұрын
@@thepurified8386 yeah that
@Jester-rk1xn
5 ай бұрын
8 if you count acid rain but that’s more of ∀ glitch.
@canaldecasta
5 ай бұрын
Castform needs a Sand form cmon GF :(
@njivwathomassilavwe2056
5 ай бұрын
Gen 5 war flashbacks
@MrMcreethan
5 ай бұрын
ADV t tar is my favorite version of t tar. gens 3-5 t tar is just so fucking solid even in the face of fighting types goes to show how solid sand was back then
@logans4789
5 ай бұрын
TTar having insane bulk in sand that it sets for itself speaks volumes. Effective 100/110/150 defensive profile is insane even with a 4x weakness
@imp4209
5 ай бұрын
More than that since sand also boosts stats fron EVs
@jazzercise300
5 ай бұрын
It's more threatened in ADV since there's no SpDef boost in sand but still. Always loved ttar and it's fun af using him. He rlly fills in gaps on every defensive team and also is super solid/consistent with faster paced teams.
@resetrose
5 ай бұрын
RAIN TEAM MENTIONED!!! KINGDRA & POLITOED BEST DUO WOOOOO I LOVE MY SEAHORSE OUTSPEEDING A 252+ SPEED CHOICE SCARF MIRAIDON YEAHHHHHHH
@hessenic6862
5 ай бұрын
YESSSSS! We stan our speedy Seahorse!!!
@victorsantos4223
5 ай бұрын
BASED COMMENT WOOOO
@zacmayes2802
5 ай бұрын
Being of pure electricity vs propeller fish who's faster
@DarkAuraLord
5 ай бұрын
I was happy to hear my GOAT, Kabutops, mentioned
@ctv186
5 ай бұрын
Fun fact: a (Mega) Rayquaza took out both a primal Kyogre and Groudon with Dragon Ascent (somewhere); you may be thinking I'm describing an ancient battle thousands of years ago in Hoenn, but I was actually describing the finals of 2016 VGC Worlds.
@mistercrusher5108
5 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Gen 13, with the water and electric box legendary and it's new ability Storm Herald, which sets up rain and electric terrain. It's signature water move has 110 base power and sets up Aqua Ring, which was buffed to heal double in rain.
@DarkAuraLord
5 ай бұрын
gamefreak: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
@lorekeeper685
5 ай бұрын
Honestly this is the most realsitic with all of these Tho they won't change aqua ring but give up another version
@GeorgeDCowley
5 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, the sun legendary still isn't fire type.
@dataexpunged4784
2 ай бұрын
Walled by MegaMax Quagsire, PUBL at best
@CBSnB2R
5 ай бұрын
I tried building a team around both rain and snow with thundurus-therian + weather ball so it can get all the coverage it wants.Of course it didn't work but oh boy was it fun. I really love harvest, pretty cool ability, to bad no good mon gets it.
@DedicatedCaffeineUser
4 ай бұрын
I always found it weird in previous generations that Snow Warning set the weather condition to hailing rather than snowing
@absyntheproductions3330
5 ай бұрын
Didn’t expect a Welcome to Hell reference but I’m here for it. Shows how powerful an animated passion project can be when it still hasn’t been forgotten after a decade
@Alg3br4
5 ай бұрын
3:10 Even after Sand Stream + Sand Rush on the same team was banned, Sand Rush Excadrill was actually still used - as a *counter to opposing sand teams.* In fact, this was so effective and problematic that eventually, Sand Rush had to be banned entirely! (source: FSG's Excadrill video lol) The same was not the case for Swift Swim and Chlorophyll, though, which is probably because those Mons weren't quite as monstrous as Excadrill.
@eliasstenbak5689
5 ай бұрын
Before weather: I'm weak After weather: unlimited power Before terrane: I'm weak After terrane: I'm weak Especially in gen 6
@prestoncole1862
5 ай бұрын
Impressively bad spelling
@percsie3072
5 ай бұрын
@@prestoncole1862I always wonder if people just don’t have spellcheck or if they just don’t care. Either way they’ve gotta be happier than my paranoid pedant ass lol
@usernametaken017
5 ай бұрын
whether
@jeremiahgreen5632
5 ай бұрын
That's true, then Gen 7 came with the Tapus and made terrain absolutely insane.
@miniman9121
5 ай бұрын
@@percsie3072some people aren’t native English speakers as well
@TempestsFury
5 ай бұрын
Didn’t talk about Acid Rain from oldgen console battles smh, unsubbed, unfollowed, blocked and canceled
@mangosteak
5 ай бұрын
Sand: T-Tar Hippo Gigalith Hail/Snow: Alolan Ninetails Abomasnow The rock.ice dinosaur Rain: Pelipper Politoad Kyogre Sun: Groudon Gen 9 cover legy Torkoal Ninetails 13 fully evolved weather setters. Not counting Charizard Y Mega.
@DomovoiCookie
5 ай бұрын
Vanilluxe also gets Snow Warning! 14 !
@ShadowDrakeZ
5 ай бұрын
My first introduction to competitive pokemon was a rain team with Basculegion. Weather teams really helped me learn how to pivot and when to attack . ❤
@kurjao5933
5 ай бұрын
I don’t think we have any moves that get enhanced in sandstorm yet like thunder and solar beam/blade and blizzard
@usernametaken017
5 ай бұрын
Yeah but sandstorm by itself is better in most gens because of the 50% boost and stuff
@nosh_becausem
5 ай бұрын
Exeggutor, my beloved
@SSNNPBCC
5 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly Phanpy specifically was untouchable in Sandstorm in Gen 5. I think it was glitched to wear it just gotta an auto dodge for any non guaranteed hit moves in wifi battles. If anyone has more info on this please correct me.
@HannahFantasia
5 ай бұрын
Rocks were in the game in gen 4
@ElectricWindGirlFriend
5 ай бұрын
Wait I’m a giant moron LOL my bad
@HannahFantasia
5 ай бұрын
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend nah mistakes happen. Good video overal!
@asierx7047
4 ай бұрын
I love slush rush beartic. Or, as i like to call him, freezy fastbear
@danielhale1
5 ай бұрын
I always treated weather as a failed gimmick in the single player games, but that's because you just don't need it, so it rarely gets a chance to shine. Plus the game basically throws weather-setting TMs in your face and begs you to use them, but they just kinda suck. I was really surprised to learn just how powerful rain, for example, can be. It doubles the power of water attacks, halves fire, and might increase the speed or regen of your mon? "My lord, is that... legal?" ...well they made it legal.
@Emulatedemblem
5 ай бұрын
It’s a hidden mechanic only reserved for hidden abilities, aka you’ll never find the weather in a first play through 😂
@Emma-rw8yo
5 ай бұрын
@@Emulatedemblem This is just not true? Moreso for modern gens but still. Sun has mega charizard y and torkoal, rain has pelipper, sand has ttar, hippowdown, gigalith, and sandaconda, and snow/hail has abomasnow and vanilluxe gens 8 and 9 also make it pretty easy to get hidden abilities in a first playthrough via raids
@Emulatedemblem
5 ай бұрын
@@Emma-rw8yo TIL weather isn’t a hidden mechanic in Pokémon
@hessenic6862
5 ай бұрын
I love weather so much; it’s my saving grace.
@superspen97
5 ай бұрын
I got more confused by the clarification about rocks not less :sob: I have so many rocks in gen 4 from the underground
@ElectricWindGirlFriend
5 ай бұрын
that was on me, they were introduced in gen 4.
@TrixterTheFemboy
4 ай бұрын
Still wonder why Hail couldn't just do damage and a def boost, since Sandstorm gets to
@keysmash_roa
5 ай бұрын
we're eating good with the 4 minute ewgf video
@canaldecasta
5 ай бұрын
Im just happy our boy Pelipper is relevant.
@Lemubaby8
4 ай бұрын
This video was a hell of a way to learn Welcome to Hell 2 is a thing
@Quartermistress
5 ай бұрын
And now we wait patiently for the sequel: Terrains
@Arc-ug7dc
5 ай бұрын
0:17 lol I was like “what moves does Slowpoke get that have low accuracy??” this damn game’s meta terms have ruined me 😭😂
@usernametaken017
5 ай бұрын
what
@Arc-ug7dc
5 ай бұрын
@@usernametaken017the pop up started with “misspoke” which I thought was an abbreviation like focus miss or CroCune etc.
@DarkAuraLord
5 ай бұрын
@@Arc-ug7dc you gotta be careful of the infamous misdreavus slowpoke core "misspoke" - it's an absolute killer in LC
@qsxsqsxs
5 ай бұрын
Weather's a fun mechanic!
@chunnin33
5 ай бұрын
The fact sun and rain have never been nerfed to 30% still blows my mind
@Gold_Gamer_100
5 ай бұрын
This reminds me. Have you covered Terrains yet?
@ElectricWindGirlFriend
5 ай бұрын
I have not done a dedicated video about terrains, but covered a lot of terrain-adjacent stuff like Rilla and Pincurchin. Not sure if I'd do one about terrain because of that tbh.
@Gold_Gamer_100
5 ай бұрын
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend If you do, you might as well just do a video with the Tapus mixed in. Something like "How the Tapu's saved Terrain" or something like that
@Bird-wz7nx
5 ай бұрын
@@Gold_Gamer_100Yeah, so few people realize its not a gen 7 phenomenon. I'd maybe throw in the Pledge effects, too, because few people realize you can set the damn arena *on fire,* and terrains were basically that level of obscure
@Gold_Gamer_100
5 ай бұрын
@@Bird-wz7nxI wouldn't mind seeing a vid reminding everyone that this exists. Hell, I had to google it to confirm this. This should be a vid
@potatoexe5410
5 ай бұрын
2:18 you should also mention them being able to get it more than once while not using up an item slot
@redlord4321
5 ай бұрын
always wonder what gen 3 would be like if peliper and torkol had there weather abilitys
@manicornianfilmis6874
5 ай бұрын
Sad to see that moves that interact with the weather weren't mentioned but still enjoyed it
@armorbearer9702
4 ай бұрын
All hail Tyranitar! Mr. OU!
@RJV-s3l
5 ай бұрын
I’m still waiting for Sand Castform GameFreak!
@Somaiai
5 ай бұрын
im hail/snowscapes biggest defender
@christopherdangelo1292
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I want to defend it as well, but the main problem with hail isn’t that it isn’t a good weather It’s the fact that it CAN’T conceptually be a good weather. Not because it sucks, far from it, there are examples of hail being good, and that lies in the problem: whenever hail/snow is good, it’s always busted: Gen 9 with baxcalibur, zolt in Gen 8 uu, aurora veil’s rain of terror in Gen 7 ru/nu/pu (can’t remember the tier) etc
@tinfoilslacks3750
5 ай бұрын
*Shadow Lunatone used shadow sky*
@zacmayes2802
5 ай бұрын
I'm a weird person. I refuse to play ANY game without a rain team. I tried one game with a cool hazard abusing team I made, it was good, but it wasn't me. Archaludon my one and only.
@alinagrinseit
3 ай бұрын
not the way i expected to find out about welcome to hell 2 like what??
@salreishopemobile
5 ай бұрын
hail doesn’t do damage anymore? that’s news to me lol
@aldrichunfaithful3589
4 ай бұрын
i think gen 5 ou proved how easy it is to balance the weather effects, the only reason why weather is unbalanced is because of powerful attackers being given double speed. you really don't need swift swim or chlorophyll to take advantage of the offensive benefits, keldeo or volcarona in sun are if anything even scarier than the speed boosters. i think the weather ability nerf in gen 6 was dumb because it almost completely gutted all of the fun applications of weather, like rain dish or hydration, without fixing the problems with the speed boosting sweepers. all it did was incentivise players to use weather as a form of hyper offense. people love to criticise gen 5 ou for being unbalanced, but without those speedy threats weather is perfectly balanced, and the only reason why it's hard to build solid defensive cores is because the dragons are too powerful. compare that to modern gen weather teams, rain is a hyper aggressive matchup fish, sun is only good because of protosynthesis, sand is very niche and gets hard carried by excadrill, and snow is only used because ninetails with aurora veil is stupid. reject basculegion hyper offense, embrace hydration+rest goodra balance
@superfrubblez6123
5 ай бұрын
I’m still surprised that gen 5 banned everything surrounding weather and never tried to maybe ban weather setting abilities.
@JanusHoW
5 ай бұрын
Weather is powerful, yes, but as the video said, all of the weather setters outside of Kyogre, Groudon, Tyranitar and Hippowdon are pretty bad and wouldn't even be considered for OU usage if they didn't have their weather-setting Abilities.
@superfrubblez6123
5 ай бұрын
@@JanusHoW yes but they do have weather setting abilities and are extremely powerful thanks to it. Annihilape would not be Ubers if it didn’t have rage fist but it does have rage fist and thus is too strong for OU. If they can enable so much power and cause things like tornadus, thundurus, and all weather speed boosting abilities to be be banned, maybe they should look at the weather abilities themselves.
@tinfoilslacks3750
5 ай бұрын
Iirc it was basically "rain is broken but the other 3 are fine but we're too invested in parity to ban drizzle"
@christiancinnabars1402
5 ай бұрын
@superfrubblez6123 Annihilape's situation isn't the same. If they saw Annihilape was broken and banned Rage Fist, then that would be similar. But they didn't ban Rage Fist as a move, since it isn't broken on mons like Primeape, just like how they don't ban Drizzle and co because they aren't broken on mons like Politoed and Ninetales. It's like saying to ban Choice Scarf because it is usually the item that pushes a lot of powerful sweepers over the edge, or to ban Stealth Rocks because they do passive damage that also enables powerful sweepers to break through walls, instead of just banning those sweepers that are abusing the mechanics.
@usernametaken017
5 ай бұрын
it's like tera. Yeah it may be a problem but it's a fun problem
@GerryRead-sl9tf
5 ай бұрын
If it's so powerful, why is cloud nine Golduck not a must have staple?
@GeorgeDCowley
5 ай бұрын
Because Rayquaza does it better.
@TheSpeep
5 ай бұрын
Wait, theres a trailer for Welcome to Hell 2?
@Elizabeth-by7gz
5 ай бұрын
:)
@simongunnarson5895
4 ай бұрын
Making a weather video without knowing much about gen5 is kinda embarrassing
@fifnaf7290
5 ай бұрын
Can we not put political messaging in videos that have nothing to do with it? This is not a critique of the content, it's just very distasteful and you should keep it to spaces where it is appropriate.
@mikau2123
5 ай бұрын
Yeah no. More people should use their platforms to make the world better where they can.
@fifnaf7290
5 ай бұрын
@@mikau2123 That is hard to quantify. For one, the content itself can make the world better, but lets say someone disagrees with the message and thinks its actually making the world worse. Even yet, what if it is? And at the end of the day, the logic expressed in your reply describes what propaganda is.
@mikau2123
3 ай бұрын
@@fifnaf7290 i should have said *try to make the world better. If you have a platform, it's your job to try to help people where you can, imo
@fifnaf7290
3 ай бұрын
@@mikau2123 no its not, if you have a platform, you use it how you like. I just think politics should be kept out of anything that isn't political, again, its at least inappropriate.
@mikau2123
3 ай бұрын
@@fifnaf7290 politics are in every part of the world and if you remain silent on genocide, you're complacent in jt
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